Topic: Ground share rears its ugly head again

[TMOI]

It's emotionally redundant and financially incompetent. Apart from that...

[igloo]

Hicks last plan before he left...

[scouse29]

I do hope to god this gets shoved where it belongs

[silver 5 star]

moyes has just been on sky sports saying he would be for a groundshare...

And more Groundshare shite off Click Liverpool:

A leading investment banker has advised Liverpool and Everton to re-consider plans for a shared stadium.

Seymour Pierce chairman Keith Harris believes that uniting Merseyside's old firm in an arena, likely to be the Reds' earmarked Stanley Park site, would be 'common sense' and firmly believes that two Premier League clubs will share a stadium 'at some stage'.

Liverpool owner John Henry has previously insisted that the plans to enter into a ground share with their local rivals would be a 'non-starter'" if the club's supporters voiced their opposition whilst Everton, by contrast, have opened themselves to the suggestion.

But speaking at London's SportAccord conference, Harris, who brokered takeovers for the likes of Aston Villa, Chelsea and Manchester City, cited the examples of Milan's San Siro and Munich's Allianz Arena as a case for clubs doubling up.

He said: "It has worked well in Milan and Munich, so why not, it makes common sense."

Fenway Sports Group are understood to be eager to redevelop Liverpool's current Anfield home but a decision is yet to be undertaken whilst Everton are still considering their options following the collapse of the 'Destination Kirkby' project in December 2009.

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Sick to fucking death of fucking "Groundshare"

They want to call us murderers, give Gerrard vile stick and boo a minute's silence for Hillsborough but "Giz a ground" never seemed to go away.

The Echo tonight had a big fuck-off pull out urging the blooze to stump up for season tickets next season.

That would be prior to them selling off more players in the summer.

They are a small, skintight, bitter, meaningless club and can stick fucking groundshare up their arse.

[SFiasco]

Fuck them. The only good thing about a groundshare would be seeing us probably sell out most weeks, while they would only half fill the place. But that would be the only benefit. Fuck them, fuck them and fuck them. Wouldn't consider it in a million years.

[wiresnreds]

Sick to fucking death of fucking "Groundshare"

They want to call us murderers, give Gerrard vile stick and boo a minute's silence for Hillsborough but "Giz a ground" never seemed to go away.

The Echo tonight had a big fuck-off pull out urging the blooze to stump up for season tickets next season.

That would be prior to them selling off more players in the summer.

They are a small, skintight, bitter, meaningless club and can stick fucking groundshare up their arse.


Is right mate, they can groundshare with Tranmere or the like, not us

[Ray K]

Seymour Pierce chairman Keith Harris believes that uniting Merseyside's old firm in an arena, likely to be the Reds' earmarked Stanley Park site, would be 'common sense' and firmly believes that two Premier League clubs will share a stadium 'at some stage'.

But speaking at London's SportAccord conference, Harris, who brokered takeovers for the likes of Aston Villa, Chelsea and Manchester City, cited the examples of Milan's San Siro and Munich's Allianz Arena as a case for clubs doubling up.

He said: "It has worked well in Milan and Munich, so why not, it makes common sense."

Keith Fucking Harris. Orville would make more sense than him.

If it's worked so well at Munich, why have 1860 sold their share in the Allianz, and now cannot even afford an annual rent so want to move out of there - That's if they can avoid bankruptcy?

Knobhead. 

[xerxes1]

Until FSG make clear the stadium future for us, this will always fill the vacuum from time to time.

[Peter McGurk]

I really fear for it.  There is clearly an ‘issue’ with a new stadium for whatever reason and the prospect of us owning it on our own is diminishing. Nevertheless, there's many who prefer it to redevelopment as the alternative. Since Kirkby, there’s been little or no prospect of Everton getting their own new ground either - other than a shared stadium.  So there’s plenty of people in the city who would ‘reluctantly’ accept a shared stadium. 

[silver 5 star]

I really fear for it.  There is clearly an ‘issue’ with a new stadium for whatever reason and the prospect of us owning it on our own is diminishing. Since Kirkby, there’s been little or no prospect of Everton getting their own new ground either - other than a shared stadium.  So there’s plenty of people in the city who would ‘reluctantly’ accept a shared stadium. 

I've been going to the match for over 40 years, been a season ticket holder for over thirty years and if we groundshare with the blueshite I won't go again. I've yet to speak to anyone who will. If FSG are stupid enough to play ball with the obviously anti-Liverpool bluenose council and the agenda-driven NWDA then more fool them.

It would be time to get the "Yanks Out" scarf again.

[Peter McGurk]

I've been going to the match for over 40 years, been a season ticket holder for over thirty years and if we groundshare with the blueshite I won't go again. I've yet to speak to anyone who will. If FSG are stupid enough to play ball with the obviously anti-Liverpool bluenose council and the agenda-driven NWDA then more fool them.

It would be time to get the "Yanks Out" scarf again.

Yep.  But if council give them no option?

[silver 5 star]

Yep.  But if council give them no option?

Build a new stadium outside of Liverpool city council's boundaries. We already have planning permission for a stadium on Stanley Park. Not a shared stadium - us- Liverpool FC.

If Warren fucking bluenose twat Bradley wants to dictate a shared stadium then FSG should just say "bye" and build outside of Liverpool's boundaries.

I am sure Halton would LOVE a new money-spinning stadium on their patch.

What business is it of LFC's to regenerate the shit-hole that Anfield (the area) has become?

LFC is a private business - nothing more - if the council try to dictate they should be told to fucking do one.

[ultimatewarrior]

Build a new stadium outside of Liverpool city council's boundaries. We already have planning permission for a stadium on Stanley Park. Not a shared stadium - us- Liverpool FC.

If Warren fucking bluenose twat Bradley wants to dictate a shared stadium then FSG should just say "bye" and build outside of Liverpool's boundaries.

I am sure Halton would LOVE a new money-spinning stadium on their patch.

What business is it of LFC's to regenerate the shit-hole that Anfield (the area) has become?

LFC is a private business - nothing more - if the council try to dictate they should be told to fucking do one.

So you're against groundshare then? . I hate the idea of ground share if the stadium was half blue , but when i was a young fella i used to go to watch my local team most weeks and we had a ground share with our city rivals. The stadium was ours and they had to pay us for using it. Would love to see Everton fans paying to watch their team playing in our stadium. Another reason we should build on stanley park now and not let Everton get to the negotiating table.

[Peter McGurk]

Build a new stadium outside of Liverpool city council's boundaries. We already have planning permission for a stadium on Stanley Park. Not a shared stadium - us- Liverpool FC.

If Warren fucking bluenose twat Bradley wants to dictate a shared stadium then FSG should just say "bye" and build outside of Liverpool's boundaries.

I am sure Halton would LOVE a new money-spinning stadium on their patch.

What business is it of LFC's to regenerate the shit-hole that Anfield (the area) has become?

LFC is a private business - nothing more - if the council try to dictate they should be told to fucking do one.

Problem is, if the new stadium is not financially feasible (and there’s been some pretty strong hints about whether the fans could afford it) and council don't 'want' to approve a redevelopment, what then?

... Would love to see Everton fans paying to watch their team playing in our stadium. Another reason we should build on stanley park now and not let Everton get to the negotiating table.

You think they're not there already?

[xerxes1]

I don’t have a fundamental problem with Groundshare and remember in the 70’s when many locals would watch both teams, some holding season tickets for both. But my head tells me that the practical problems are insuperable.

Ironically opposition to Groundshare is invariably instinctive ( which has the danger of being portrayed as a poor reason for objection) when the practical arguments against the proposal do the job more effectively.

Some believe that Everton are the more enthusiastic party. But they have no money, and would always be the junior partner in such an arrangement. It would be likely to reinforce our primacy, not threaten it. As has been pointed out elsewhere, the only scenario in which Everton become an active  “player” in this debate is if they are taken over by a rich benefactor who then looks to take up the Stanley Park option if we pass. A highly unlikely scenario.

There is an argument that a shared stadium at Stanley Park, redevelopment at Goodison and Anfield, and the creation of a bona fide new football quarter as a result has significant economic advantages for the Council and community. But as  Silver 5 Star points out, LFC is a privately owned sporting club and business with no remit to compromise Club advantage for the benefit of others.

The club is at a watershed in our history. We may not even be playing European Football next season, with the inevitable impact on the quality of potential player recruitment. We teeter at the moment, crowds of almost 100,000, 80,000, 75,000 fill the Nou Camp, Bernebeau, SanSiro and Old Trafford respectively, Villa park and Goodison make do with crowds under 40,000. Which side of the line are we on? Where is LFC REALLY right now? Where are we headed?

FFP will almost certainly polarise the haves, and have nots, doing the reverse of what it purports to do. If we ( and Everton) do nothing, or not enough, who knows what economic pressures may force in the future. FSG could kill off Groundshare now by either committing to a new stadium, or a phased substantial development of Anfield. Let’s see what they do.

[ultimatewarrior]

You think they're not there already?

Am I missing something? Not sure what you mean here Peter?

[ultimatewarrior]

One problem i do have with ground share is it allows Evertons fanbase to expand in the future because they will sell more tickets. If we build on Stanley park now, or capacity will allow for more and more fans to get into games. If every undecided liverpool or everton fan chose us because they could watch the match from the stands then we would go from strength to strength. It a bit like capitalism. Increase capacity, make tickets affordable and attract the customer. Take Tesco for example. They open new stores all over the place, some people say they will never shop in Tesco but when they see the prices they give in. Converted one may say.

[Peter McGurk]

Am I missing something? Not sure what you mean here Peter?

I mean that it's pretty likely that Wainwright will have put in his tuppence worth with Joe Anderson (and NESV...).  I can't see him missing the opportunity of a general chat with JWH when he was at Goodison (first match).

One problem i do have with ground share is it allows Evertons fanbase to expand in the future because they will sell more tickets. If we build on Stanley park now, or capacity will allow for more and more fans to get into games. If every undecided liverpool or everton fan chose us because they could watch the match from the stands then we would go from strength to strength. It a bit like capitalism. Increase capacity, make tickets affordable and attract the customer. Take Tesco for example. They open new stores all over the place, some people say they will never shop in Tesco but when they see the prices they give in. Converted one may say.

Yes.  And if costs are shared, prices can come down.

[silver 5 star]

Am I missing something? Not sure what you mean here Peter?

what he means is that groundshare as far as the council and the blueshite is concerned has never gone away. It's just that the meetings have continued behind closed doors..

As far as Xerxes' assertion that he "is not fundamentally against groundshare" - what he REALLY means is that he's been banging the drum for it for years - just go over his previous posts.

Will the blueshite all qualify for Norwegian passports anyway?

They think they need them to get in..

[Red_Mist]

I hate the idea of ground share if the stadium was half blue

I'm no expert, but I'm guessing it would be done with some sort of clever high-tech lighting system, i.e. the whole stadium would appear red when we played and blue when they played. Neutral the rest of the time.

[Peter McGurk]

I'm no expert, but I'm guessing it would be done with some sort of clever high-tech lighting system, i.e. the whole stadium would appear red when we played and blue when they played. Neutral the rest of the time.

Or paint them all white and share Anfield   

[ultimatewarrior]

I'm no expert, but I'm guessing it would be done with some sort of clever high-tech lighting system, i.e. the whole stadium would appear red when we played and blue when they played. Neutral the rest of the time.

Yeah probably something to that effect. Or just have a load of PURPLE seats, oh jesus that would be awful, just thinking about it is embarrassing. Plus with ground share we would have to have two museums( not that they would need much room for that) two club shops, memorbilia around the ground etc... No i just dont like the idea.

[xerxes1]

As far as Xerxes' assertion that he "is not fundamentally against groundshare" - what he REALLY means is that he's been banging the drum for it for years - just go over his previous posts.

Oi, not true.

To be clear, although I think there may be a theoretical economic argument, in practise I don't think there is. Our gates are and will be higher,and our commercial revenues are and will be higher. Were Everton to join us as equal partners, they would lose out by subsidising us ( which they wont do) and I cannot see them entering into a junior partnership arrarngement - so it never gets off the ground.

Leicester Tigers got very close to sharing the Walkers Stadium with Leicester City. It was the above inequality which broke the deal.

[Stretch Armstrong]

I'm no expert, but I'm guessing it would be done with some sort of clever high-tech lighting system, i.e. the whole stadium would appear red when we played and blue when they played. Neutral the rest of the time.

Be interesting to see how they mask the famous gates, Shanks statue, the trophy room and Kop (assuming it would survive, I cannot see them dedicating it to away fans only when Liverpool are away from 'home')

On paper it makes financial sense (depending both clubs have the money, in which reality they dont), in reality too many fans from both sides are against this sharing for moneys sake - its a case that people like Harris and Bradley who have their own agendas are pushing this idea, Everton when Kirkby was still on and they were financially more stable were against this sharing.  Strange how Kenwright and Moyes are more receptive now they dont have the money to build a stadium

[Peter McGurk]

Be interesting to see how they mask the famous gates, Shanks statue, the trophy room and Kop (assuming it would survive, I cannot see them dedicating it to away fans only when Liverpool are away from 'home')

On paper it makes financial sense (depending both clubs have the money, in which reality they dont), in reality too many fans from both sides are against this sharing for moneys sake - its a case that people like Harris and Bradley who have their own agendas are pushing this idea, Everton when Kirkby was still on and they were financially more stable were against this sharing.  Strange how Kenwright and Moyes are more receptive now they dont have the money to build a stadium

Poor old Warren Bradley - he lost the election to Joe Anderson but still gets the stick!

[Stretch Armstrong]

Poor old Warren Bradley - he lost the election to Joe Anderson but still gets the stick!

He could always choose not to talk and may be he'd not get stick

[Peter McGurk]

He could always choose not to talk and may be he'd not get stick

Recently? - I missed that.

[Red_Mist]

Be interesting to see how they mask the famous gates, Shanks statue, the trophy room and Kop (assuming it would survive, I cannot see them dedicating it to away fans only when Liverpool are away from 'home')

The statues and the trophy rooms wouldn't be a problem, we've both got one of each. Having a Paisley Gateway, the Shankly Gates, and A Spion Kop would be difficult, if not impossible. Maybe Everton would want half the stadium made of wood as well! I'm dead against the idea of groundshare by the way. Was just commenting on seat colours and the easiest way round that problem. Half blue & half red would never work. Who'd want to sit in a blue seat?

[BIGdavalad]

Keith Harris can feel free to go and fucking fist himself while wearing a welder's glove.

Liverpool FC will never receive another penny off me if they ever share a stadium with them. No tickets, no merchandise, no nothing. I bet I'm nothing like the only one who feels like that.

[scouse29]

I just hate the idea. End of really.

[Classic goal]

Or paint them all white and share Anfield   

or purple like the wheelie bins

Everton don't usually bother me but I'm not sharing a seat with someone who calls me a murderer. They can go fuck themselves on with that.

I can't stand the idea that groundshare is somehow the 'common sense' option. Seriously it will cause all sorts of issues if it (god forbid) happened. And citing Milan and Munich is dumb. Bayern own 100% of the Allianz and 1860 rent it - there's no way Everton would rent a ground we owned. And the italians really aren't that enamoured with their situation.

Are Everton seriously prepared to pay their share for facilities at this stadium that they will likely never use? How do maintenance costs get split? Who foots the bills for expansions or renovations? There's other issues like who pockets the dosh from stadium tours? How will a pitch cope with so much football being played on it during the winter? Will Everton be prepared to have a kop in the stadium? etc etc

No doubt they'll want government funding for their share as well. It's such a stupid fucking idea.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

Keith Fucking Harris. Orville would make more sense than him.

If it's worked so well at Munich, why have 1860 sold their share in the Allianz, and now cannot even afford an annual rent so want to move out of there - That's if they can avoid bankruptcy?

Knobhead.

not to mention that inter have mooted leaving the san siro too

[redprodigal]

Liverpool FC will never receive another penny off me if they ever share a stadium with them. No tickets, no merchandise, no nothing. I bet I'm nothing like the only one who feels like that.

You're definitely not.

[Stretch Armstrong]

Recently? - I missed that.

My disdain for Bradley runs quite deep, the man spent his whole time in office feeding his own ego or trying to sort Everton out, the responsible governing of the City came 3rd at best - either way that's for a different RAWK sub-forum

[xerxes1]

Keith Harris can feel free to go and fucking fist himself while wearing a welder's glove.

Liverpool FC will never receive another penny off me if they ever share a stadium with them. No tickets, no merchandise, no nothing. I bet I'm nothing like the only one who feels like that.

I think that the club will be able to count on your money for some time yet, and that Harris can put off the purchase of the KY.

[silver 5 star]

My disdain for Bradley runs quite deep, the man spent his whole time in office feeding his own ego or trying to sort Everton out, the responsible governing of the City came 3rd at best - either way that's for a different RAWK sub-forum

Agreed. He was just a self-serving arrogant slime-ball IMO.

I think that the club will be able to count on your money for some time yet, and that Harris can put off the purchase of the KY.

You never know, he might have the Boy's Own Bumper pack already.

[wdizz]

I'm totally against any groundsharing scheme as it would be totally unfair to the Everton players having to walk by the Liverpool trophy room every day.

[sheepfest]

My disdain for Bradley runs quite deep, the man spent his whole time in office feeding his own ego or trying to sort Everton out, the responsible governing of the City came 3rd at best - either way that's for a different RAWK sub-forum

Too right, but worth noting that Bradley might be more preoccupied now due to stepping down and being suspended from the Lib Dems today for "allegedly" faking a signature of his son onto a voter nomination form.  Here's hoping he is too busy salvaging himself to think about groundshare.

[Peter McGurk]

Too right, but worth noting that Bradley might be more preoccupied now due to stepping down and being suspended from the Lib Dems today for "allegedly" faking a signature of his son onto a voter nomination form.  Here's hoping he is too busy salvaging himself to think about groundshare.

He may well be, but he's not Leader of the Council anymore so who gives a...

[Liveforthereds67]

Keith Harris can feel free to go and fucking fist himself while wearing a welder's glove.

Liverpool FC will never receive another penny off me if they ever share a stadium with them. No tickets, no merchandise, no nothing. I bet I'm nothing like the only one who feels like that.

Would you really!. I doubt it, The amount of times I have heard someone make a statement like this and then you see them back track is unbelvable, If you gave me a £1 for evertime it's said I would be a Millionaire. People say this about Tesco and then you see them in there getting the weekly shop or buying their petrol. I not for or against a groundshare but if the ecconmic argument was for it then it would make sence, but where are Everton getting the money from Kirby was only going to cost 50M to 100M as Tesco where going to build the stadium and Everton where to fit it out, to build a new stadium they are going to need upwards of 150M to 200M. So for me while people still bang on about it, it will never happen unless they are renting the stadium off us.