Author Topic: Ryan Babel unhappy at Liverpool (frustrated)... (Read 81989 times)

Tom_B · « **Reply #40 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:43:40 AM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on September 3, 2009, 01:42:56 AM

I don't doubt it, but I'm not surprised that some people would think he's a little stupid if he comes out with this in the press the day after the window has closed.

I don't actually blame him soley for the way that things have gone for him at Liverpool. He's a worse player now than he was in his first season. The fact that he's actually regressed makes me think that a lot of the blame lies elsewhere.

He doesn't help himself though.

True.

Quote from: b_joseph on September 3, 2009, 01:43:00 AM

Tom - I actually like him. I think he has all the physical tools to be great but nothing annoys me more than seeing talent go to waste. I understand if he wants to leave, everyone has a right to be where they want to be. But he comes across like he has been given absolutely no chances to prove himself and that isnt the case.

Fair play.

kkhaku · « **Reply #41 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:43:56 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but hasn't Babel impressed (or at least been decent) almost everytime we've played him in his preferred position - up front?

...and been largely unimpressive everytime he's played out of position (on the left wing)

Maybe there's a lesson here somewhere....

If there's one thing that'll cause a player to regress - its continuously playing him out of position.

Danny_ · « **Reply #42 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:45:24 AM »

There's the door Ryan. I have to say that you've been a very big dissappointment. Ever since going to the Olympics, it's been a downhill sprial and there are major questions now about your attitude. Obviously, we fans don't get to see you day in day out but if you were producing in training, Rafa is the kind of manager that would give you a chance. Hell, if El Zhar can get games, then surely, you will.

But, you don't seem too bothered every opportunity you get to prove us wrong. And, now you're a bit arsed because you want to get into the national side? The fact that it's Ajax that you are begging to be let return to says it all. You're 22 and do not appear to have progressed at all. Good luck at Ajax because I am sick of your lazy whining ass now.

That's what I'd say to him if given the chance. If we get 5-6 million for him, we should bite their hands off for it.

Terry De Niro · « **Reply #43 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:45:50 AM »

Quote from: Tom_B on September 3, 2009, 01:38:06 AM

Babel has suffered because people expected him to kick on last season, from a fairly decent first season.

I too expected that, sadly it never happened.

He obviously has ability, as he'd showed..Arsenal, Man U etc..

I just don't think he realises that, playing for us.

LiamG · « **Reply #44 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:47:34 AM »

It's best he goes, He hasnt got the right attitude anymore, had had a chance and he was shite!

Goffry · « **Reply #45 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:48:07 AM »

£11.5M......every time I see him ~~play~~ wear the shirt I can't help thinking how we were absolutely screwed BIG time paying that sort of money for this guy.
Everyone keeps going on aboout his 'potential'. Well 2 years or so into his time here......just how long are we suppose to wait? At this rate we'll be paying his pension and still waiting!
The reason nobody else made an enquiry for him is because they all know what most of us know.....he's crap!
£11.5M......don't mkae me laugh. We'd be lucky to get £2M, and the longer he stays the more he demonstrates how useless he is and the more his value drops.

Crazyhorse7778 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:48:07 AM »

Quote from: Magic8Ball on September 3, 2009, 01:01:21 AM

“There have been a lot of things promised but they haven't been followed up."

You can say that again, Ryan.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #47 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:48:36 AM »

Quote

"There have been a lot of things promised, but they haven't been followed up"

Your right about that lad.

Promises in football are a two way street, one person promises the other delivers, that's how they work.
Unless someone doesn't keep up there part of the bargain that is, then promises aren't kept.

Magic8Ball · « **Reply #48 on:** September 3, 2009, 01:49:59 AM »

Quote from: kkhaku on September 3, 2009, 01:43:56 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but hasn't Babel impressed (or at least been decent) almost everytime we've played him in his preferred position - up front?

...and been largely unimpressive everytime he's played out of position (on the left wing)

Maybe there's a lesson here somewhere....

If there's one thing that'll cause a player to regress - its continuously playing him out of position.

Babel's not a left wing, and best he's a left attacker and that's a different more attacking position. The other thing that doesn't help Babel is that mentality wise he's maturing slowly and at 22 that's pushing it . He wants to give up rather than force Rafa to play him as striker by being reliable

amir87 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:02:22 AM »

If you were to describe his ability to someone you could use the same quotes as 2 years ago and that quite frankly isn't good enough.
Rafa bought him knowing he had ability, albeit he was very raw. Now for one reason or the other he hasn't improved, if anything he's starting to regress. So I'm not surprised he's unhappy and wants to leave but to say it publicly right now isn't the smartest move in all honesty. He just needs to keep working at his game and hope that any chance he gets, he takes with both hands because if he were to move, the only way is down in my opinion.
There were moments where I felt he deserved a chance to play but then there were also moments when he did play and I wanted him substituted so it's hard to see where his career is going with us.
It's plain to see the guy hasn't improved and both him and the coaching staff should take the blame for that.

kkhaku · « **Reply #50 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:16:39 AM »

Quote from: Magic8Ball on September 3, 2009, 01:49:59 AM

Babel's not a left wing, and best he's a left attacker and that's a different more attacking position. The other thing that doesn't help Babel is that mentality wise he's maturing slowly and at 22 that's pushing it . He wants to give up rather than force Rafa to play him as striker by being reliable

The left attacking role in a 4-2-3-1 formation in a Rafa Benitez team carries a lot of defensive responsibility, as Kuyt has demonstrated. The lad is a left sided striker. Which is VERY different from his role on our left side.

I agree about the maturity and the mentality though.

I just want to see him given a run of games from the bench, in a striker position...before I write him off completely.

woof · « **Reply #51 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:16:40 AM »

He hasn't improved since he got here. To have the skills in one thing and to have the right mentality is another. He's just out of his depth when he plays for Liverpool. I'm sure he will do reasonably well in a smaller club. Until he matures and realises his potential, he's no good to us, not when we have lofty ambition of winning the league

lea7kewell · « **Reply #52 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:16:40 AM »

I really want the lad to do well, as he does posess that raw ability that just might be turned into something great.
He's shown glimpses of what he can do (Goals v Arsenal/United) when he comes off the bench, but he just never seems to follow it up when he is handed a starting berth (Boro and Spurs on the opening day)

I think alot of the problem stems from him persistently being used on the wing...it doesnt suit the lad, and I don't think he can handle the defensive side of the game, tracking back etc.

I would prefer for his wish to be granted and be put upfront and given a sort of "do what you want" role...but admittedly with statements like this, and all the stupid "rapping" he does, his wishes look more likely to be granted outside of Anfield.

Ryan, just shut the fuck up lad and get your head down!

The Red Dojo · « **Reply #53 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:22:53 AM »

Quote from: Chindits on September 3, 2009, 01:11:28 AM

...its a honour to wear the Red shirt. an by fuck once you get it by christ you should knock your pan out each an every time you put the fucker on.

Hear, hear!

Silla · « **Reply #54 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:23:19 AM »

Ryan babel unhappy with Liverpool?

We're all unhappy with you Ryan...

cezred · « **Reply #55 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:34:55 AM »

Why is this guy still here? Rafa doesnt seem to rate him that highly and needed cash during the window so it seems possible no one else wanted him!

TheoRacle · « **Reply #56 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:36:02 AM »

Quote from: Terry De Niro on September 3, 2009, 01:22:16 AM

As much as I think Voronin is not the real deal for us, he does put the effort in when required.

He also has a nice ponytail, to be fair...

Agreed.. Voronin perhaps does not have the same natural ability but you can see that he knows what he should be doing and where he should be positioning himself. Babel does seem a bit thick doesn't he.

Red_Rich · « **Reply #57 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:39:08 AM »

So we'll be ANOTHER player down in January then?

We must bring in another attacking player or two in the Jan transfer window, surely.

gamble · « **Reply #58 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:51:50 AM »

Quote from: rushyman on September 3, 2009, 01:27:43 AM

Every time the fucker plays he's shit. Whats he on about?

Cisse added far far more and loved us. Twice the player

I'd agree with that. sick of him now. massive disappointment.

Magic8Ball · « **Reply #59 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:54:12 AM »

Quote from: kkhaku on September 3, 2009, 02:16:39 AM

The left attacking role in a 4-2-3-1 formation in a Rafa Benitez team carries a lot of defensive responsibility, as Kuyt has demonstrated. The lad is a left sided striker. Which is VERY different from his role on our left side.

I agree about the maturity and the mentality though.

I just want to see him given a run of games from the bench, in a striker position...before I write him off completely.

seems you're agreeing with me. Thing is while he MAY become a beast one day with his mentality that is unlikely. We just can't wait for another 2 years to find out.
The best thing is this: If is injured play Babel for a run of games - then decide, else if Torres is not injured loan Babel out with the hopes of raising his transfer value - We have till Jan to make our minds up, keeping him here is just keeping someone who's not good enough, who's not focused on playing well and whose marked value is declining.

RedSandgrounder · « **Reply #60 on:** September 3, 2009, 02:55:48 AM »

So he comes out with this the day after the window closes?

And if he's not happy, and he isn't going to play, why not stick him on the transfer list, and re-coup some funds, to spend on some one who might make a difference.

In a window where we've seen Tuncay go cheap, some one like (yes, I know, it's been said millions of times) Quaresma at a club where he's not wanted. These kind of players could come in and make an impact. Instead we have a lad not getting any better, rotting on the bench, and not wanting to be here.

Shambles.

BMW · « **Reply #61 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:08:16 AM »

Quote from: Magic8Ball on September 3, 2009, 01:01:21 AM

And to think Rafa fell out with his best mate over this guy ..... he should have said this earlier when he could have been sold.
At least Rafa can hold the world cup over him to get him to perform

I think I remember this -not sure though, can anybody refresh my memory?

woof · « **Reply #62 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:11:49 AM »

Quote from: RedSandgrounder on September 3, 2009, 02:55:48 AM

So he comes out with this the day after the window closes?

Again, showing how SMART he is

Irish Kopite · « **Reply #63 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:12:49 AM »

He's the new incredible sulk, wants to play up front and not on the left but delighted to play there for Holland in a 4-3-3.

The World cup is all he is thinking about and he knews he can't get into our 1st team on the form he is showing, if he takes a step down for 6 months to a club who hasn't played champs league football for a few years now and has missed out on the europa league this season he knows he'll be in for a shout.

Bit of luck he'll have a good world cup and we might get back what we payed for him. Annoying thing is tht he's the type of player that could go to another top club and be a star in 2 to 3 years time! or a big time rapper in holland!

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #64 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:17:08 AM »

Quote from: RedSandgrounder on September 3, 2009, 02:55:48 AM

In a window where we've seen Tuncay go cheap, some one like (yes, I know, it's been said millions of times) Quaresma at a club where he's not wanted. These kind of players could come in and make an impact. Instead we have a lad not getting any better, rotting on the bench, and not wanting to be here.

Quaresma is just as bad, if not far worse than Babel. His attitude and approach is terrible. He's been a massive flop at Inter and hardly played/featured on the bench during his forgettable loan at Chelsea last season.

sivapc · « **Reply #65 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:28:20 AM »

earning first team place via press.. not that way Ryan..

he's been awful for us since last season, but i actually think he can be a viable replacement for Torres up front. Rafa should give him more chances up front, on his own or as a partner to Torres. Him in the wing is just not working.

Gee, Stevie · « **Reply #66 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:35:54 AM »

It's a shit interview for Babel to give (if you trust that he has in fact said these things). Having said that, it's pretty rough to judge Babel's "attitude" when you have absolutely no idea what it's like. If you do, please explain.

He was pretty poor on the pitch against Spurs when given a start, but to put that and his quotes together to and come up with a bad attitude is far-fetched without anything else to back it up.

Babel has only impressed in glimpses at Liverpool and has had plenty of sluggish looking below par performances. Not sure why that means he has a bad attitude. For some reason a lot of people love to compare the job of a professional footballer to their own, and if you were, you'd realise that Babel puts in a hell of a lot more effort and work that most of you do who would probably get offended if told you had a "bad attitude" to your employer.

jambutty · « **Reply #67 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:39:34 AM »

Twat.

Should learn from his Dutch teammate.

USC19Babel · « **Reply #68 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:40:41 AM »

Well doesn't my username look a bit ridiculous.

Had high hopes for him when he arrived, but, like many others, he has far from lived up to them.

If he doesn't cut it this season I can't see him being here next season.

KopThat · « **Reply #69 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:49:40 AM »

We may have to loan you out too, until you come back with a better name !

Babel has to compete with Benayoun and Riera on the left and he is far behind both, and I don't think Rafa will play him anywhere else.

So maybe loaning him out to Ajax wouldn't be a bad idea

Sid7 · « **Reply #70 on:** September 3, 2009, 03:59:57 AM »

The man's a metal weakling. Which is too bad because he's certainly got the skills to become a good player.

kingkenny79 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:02:17 AM »

Cut inside & shoot from the distance.

You dont have to be a world class manager & defender to know what Babbel would do, when he is with the ball, in attacking position wide left.

phoenician · « **Reply #72 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:06:49 AM »

Quote from: kkhaku on September 3, 2009, 02:16:39 AM

The left attacking role in a 4-2-3-1 formation in a Rafa Benitez team carries a lot of defensive responsibility, as Kuyt has demonstrated. The lad is a left sided striker. Which is VERY different from his role on our left side.

I agree about the maturity and the mentality though.

I just want to see him given a run of games from the bench, in a striker position...before I write him off completely.

While Torres watches from the bench?

Or should we change our formation to accomodate his inclusion in a two man frontline?

Speculation, sure, but I'd guarantee that if he'd shown anything in training to warrant this it'd already be happening.

We're attempting to win a title, I'd prefer unwarranted match day experimentation be kept to a minimum. I don't think it'd help a title challenge.

It's the same at every big club. If he wants to be played through the middle he needs to prove to the coaching staff in training that he has what it takes and/or win the job by putting himself about where and when he gets the opportunity.

Whether it be on the left or up top, he needs to show he can make the right decision at the right time, keep the ball, and provide a real goal threat. He needs to prove he knows what he's doing.

A role on the left might not be ideal for Babel but than neither is going nearly twenty years without a title the best of possible circumstances for LFC.

He needs to either do his job or move on because we can't carry him.

BMW · « **Reply #73 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:07:43 AM »

Quote from: USC19Babel on September 3, 2009, 03:40:41 AM

Well doesn't my username look a bit ridiculous.

Had high hopes for him when he arrived, but, like many others, he has far from lived up to them.

If he doesn't cut it this season I can't see him being here next season.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=245854.0

CHOPPER · « **Reply #74 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:13:47 AM »

Quote from: kingkenny79 on September 3, 2009, 05:02:17 AM

Cut inside & shoot from the distance.

You dont have to be a world class manager & defender to know what Babbel would do, when he is with the ball, in attacking position wide left.

Which is pretty much him in a nutshell. Perhaps if he was played on the left more we may have seen something more.....Inspirational?
As it is he wasn't and it's looking as if the final nail has been put in the coffin, so to speak.

Mr Rossi · « **Reply #75 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:21:13 AM »

Quote from: Tom_B on September 3, 2009, 01:24:59 AM

Still like him, and still think he will be a success.

Not here though. Even though he is a much better option up front than fucking Voronin.

It is funny, loads of people will defend Lucas to the hilt, but not Babel. Maybe I am imagining that though.

Thats because people can see Lucas putting the effort in.

new-red · « **Reply #76 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:47:55 AM »

the dumbest fucking footballer i have had the displeasure of watching. I really dont think he has ever made a right decision bar his one-on-ones whe only one option presents itself. He cuts inside when he should go wide, goes wide when he should cut inside and shoot, makes a pass when he should take a man on, takes a man o when he should pass. So consistently wrong that I can only believe it after watching him for 2 seasons.

buchigo! · « **Reply #77 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:50:25 AM »

Quote from: Mr Rossi on September 3, 2009, 05:21:13 AM

Thats because people can see Lucas putting the effort in.

tom just hearts babel a lot.

if this interview is true, as i'm giving ryan the benefit of the doubt before someone issues the obligatory lost in translation excuse/reason, he reminds me more and more of a certain striker down salford-national team first mentality as well as his all speed and almost non-existent awareness of space and his teammates that is not suited to the modern game approach.

i've always defended him but as with what most said, ryan really needs to buckle down and repay rafa.

buchigo! · « **Reply #78 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:52:07 AM »

Quote from: new-red on September 3, 2009, 05:47:55 AM

the dumbest fucking footballer i have had the displeasure of watching. I really dont think he has ever made a right decision bar his one-on-ones whe only one option presents itself. He cuts inside when he should go wide, goes wide when he should cut inside and shoot, makes a pass when he should take a man on, takes a man o when he should pass. So consistently wrong that I can only believe it after watching him for 2 seasons.

how many footballers have you watched? surely you've heard of robbie savage or neviller the lesser?

Mr Rossi · « **Reply #79 on:** September 3, 2009, 05:55:00 AM »

His attitude right now should be to knuckle down and improve his game. Not whinge, moan and bleat on about how promises where broken and how he'd like to go on loan. His attitude just shows why he'll never make it as a liverpool player, or any other top side for that matter.