Topic: Ryan Babel unhappy at Liverpool (frustrated)...

[Misholino108]

Liverpool's Ryan Babel has admitted he is keen to join former club Ajax on loan in January and has accused Rafa Benitez of failing to keep promises regarding his first team chances.

Babel, an £11.5m signing from Ajax in the summer of 2007, has become an increasingly peripheral figure at Anfield and after starting the opening day defeat to Tottenham Hotspur, the Dutch international has played only 14 minutes as a substitute since.

Benitez only started the 22-year-old in six Premier League games last season and Babel is growing ever more frustrated with his inability to command a regular place, particularly with Holland looking forward to their participation at the World Cup finals next summer.

Now the Amsterdam-born forward is keen to return to his hometown club on loan in January having been disappointed by the chances afforded to him in the early part of the season.

"There have been a lot of things promised, but they haven't been followed up," Babel told De Telegraaf. "I would get to play for more minutes and have more chances, but after the first defeat, I only lost my place.

"I think half a season at Ajax with a view to the World Cup wouldn't be a bad idea. I can add something to the Ajax squad.

"Loaning me out was not an option (in the summer). Now we have agreed to review the situation in January. I see the current situation as a signal that I really have to get playing."

Babel was not initially included in Holland's squad for their upcoming fixtures against Japan and Scotland but was called up by Bert van Marwijk following an injury to Ibrahim Afellay.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=672926&sec=england&cc=null

[AFX]

We should pay them to keep him.

[-Paddy-]

Given our current financial scenario, I'd say it's imperative he gets in the World Cup squad, be it by playing with us, or going on loan, in order for him to showcase his talents (Presuming he has some) to potential buyers.

[buzzing]

You know how Southampton (i think) were done over by that guy who claimed to be George Weah's cousin...do you think the same guy recommended Babel.

Was really excited when we signed him. Rafa put him on the wing, and all i could think of was "he's gonna be our Henry"...FAIL. He just doesn't seem like a football player. He has a hard shot, and can run fast. However, his football skills/brain = not good enough.

If we want to keep him, i say fuck putting him on the wing and just play him as a striker. At least that way he can just hit the ball rather than faffing around

[TALBERT]

Turning into Pennant Mark 2

[Misholino108]

We should pay them to keep him.

well that's not bad idea, since "he was trying hard during summer to make him fit and sharp for PL campaign", and after all I didn't see any progress at first game at WHL except giving ball away to much....
I think he lost his chances he had...

[blert596]

I see the current situation as a signal that I really have to get playing."

It would be nice to think you meant this as get playing to earn a place in the team that pays your wages, as opposed to "I want to fuck off to somewhere easier so I can get in the team and play for Holland"

[Juan Loco]

He makes it easy for people to criticise him, but he's actually got worse than better at Liverpool. He's not alone in not getting the best out of his talents.

[Walshy®]

Fuck off Babel and go now, do us all a favour.

[Terry De Niro]

It would be nice to think you meant this as get playing to earn a place in the team that pays your wages, as opposed to "I want to fuck off to somewhere easier so I can get in the team and play for Holland"

Spot on.

I've said it many times on here.. Had high hopes for the lad, but he just will never cut it with us.

I'll back any player for us, as long as they put the effort in.

[Magic8Ball]

Liverpool winger Ryan Babel has told boss Rafa Benitez he wants out.

The Holland international has grown frustrated by his lack of game time and is keen to make a move to Ajax to ensure of his place in the Dutch team for next summer’s World Cup.

Babel claims that he was told he would gain a regular place in the team this year but found himself dropped after the opening day defeat to Tottenham at White Hart Lane.

Now he is looking for a temporary switch in January, back to the club whom he left two years ago in a £10million switch.

“There have been a lot of things promised but they haven't been followed up.

“I would get to play for more minutes and have more chances but, after the first defeat, I lost my place,” said Babel.

“Half a season at Ajax with a view to the World Cup wouldn't be a bad idea. I can add something to their squad.

“Loaning me out was not an option in the summer.

“Now we have agreed to review the situation in January.”


 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premiership/babel-fed-up-at-liverpool-14477782.html


And to think Rafa fell out with his best mate over this guy ..... he should have said this earlier when he could have been sold. 
At least Rafa can hold the world cup over him to get him to perform

[ep1987]

It's very easy to be negative about Babel (i've lambasted him on more than one occasion) but surely Rafa would be crazy not to give him some opportunities up front (be it off the bench or in the Carling Cup).

[JackWard33]

Oh my god

I've had a shit day and this caps it off....just fuck off you ridiculous ungrateful under achieving prick

[Terry De Niro]

“Half a season at Ajax with a view to the World Cup wouldn't be a bad idea. I can add something to their squad.

“Loaning me out was not an option in the summer.

“Now we have agreed to review the situation in January.”


 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/Premier League/babel-fed-up-at-liverpool-14477782.html

I reckon he should go to Tranmere... Get someone to do a youtube on him, then he might, MIGHT JUST make the Dutch World cup squad.

[rafathegaffa83]

I believe Babel also asked to be loaned back to Holland with Ajax last season. I think his situation is more reminiscent of Cisse's than the likes of Pennant. When things were going rough here for Cisse, he intimated he wanted to go back on loan to his comfort zone in Marseille, even though it was against the wishes of mentor Guy Roux. Eventually Cisse got his wish, had a torrid time in Marseille and has since lost his spot in the French national team, played for Sunderland and now Panathinaikos.

Personally, I think Babel needs a mentor, an older figure in the game who is going to push him in the right direction. It is tough to play for this club and at this level. You need people who are going to emphasize the need for professional growth and development. I don't think Babel has this, which is one of the reasons why he has regressed. Whoever is advising him is not giving him the kick up the arse he needs, but is rather catering to his whims. It's probably partially why he went off to the Olympics, after barely recovering from a pre-Euro 2008 tournament, rather than opting out by citing his recent health issues to the Dutch FA and working on integrating back to the squad. Resultantly, he lost his spot to Riera and hasn't looked ever like getting it back.

[Chindits]

to be honest i fuckin drive the lazy fucker there,its a honour to wear the Red shirt. an by fuck once you get it by christ you should knock your pan out each an every time you put the fucker on.
 

[TheoRacle]

I think he'd do just as a good a job if not better than Voronin as support for Torres when we're chasing a goal a la Bolton on the weekend.  Obviously Rafa sees some issue with him establishing a partnership with Torres becuase for some reason we've never seen him have a chance to so.   

I guess the way we are playing right now means you need to have a perfect first touch in and and around packed defences on the edge of the box where as Babel's let him down too frequently for my liking (so does Voronin) and seems more suited to counter attack football. 

[TOMMO86]

Ryan Air......

[RyanBabel19]

I understand both his frustration and rafas frustrations with him.

Dont see why all the blame gets shoved onto either one or the other on here though makes little sense, when its a bit of both.

[Terry De Niro]

Ryan Air......

[TOMMO86]

quick there wasn't I Terry haha.

[b_joseph]

Ryan, for if you ever decided to read this.

Go in to training an hour earlier than every single one of your teammates. Work on your technique for that hour.

When training ends, stay behind and work on your technique for longer.

When you have time off, instead of trying to Rap. How about you review game tape and try to understand why someone like Dirk Kuyt gets in the managers good graces even though he doesnt have half of your physical ability.

Last but not least, show a little bit of respect for the club that you play for. Even if you dont like it, there is such a thing called professionalism you plonker. Wake up because I am tired of defending your lazy arse to people who have completely given up on you.

[Terry De Niro]

I think he'd do just as a good a job if not better than Voronin as support for Torres when we're chasing a goal a la Bolton on the weekend.  Obviously Rafa sees some issue with him establishing a partnership with Torres becuase for some reason we've never seen him have a chance to so.   

I guess the way we are playing right now means you need to have a perfect first touch in and and around packed defences on the edge of the box where as Babel's let him down too frequently for my liking (so does Voronin) and seems more suited to counter attack football. 

As much as I think Voronin is not the real deal for us, he does put the effort in when required.

He also has a nice ponytail, to be fair...

[Tom_B]

Still like him, and still think he will be a success.

Not here though. Even though he is a much better option up front than fucking Voronin.

It is funny, loads of people will defend Lucas to the hilt, but not Babel. Maybe I am imagining that though.

[Walshy®]

Cos Lucas puts the effort in.  Babel is wondering around the pitch working on his rhymes to be too busy to chase a football around.

[rushyman]

Every time the fucker plays he's shit. Whats he on about?

Cisse added far far more and loved us. Twice the player

[Tom_B]

Go in to training an hour earlier than every single one of your teammates. Work on your technique for that hour.

When training ends, stay behind and work on your technique for longer.

You wouldn't know if he did or didn't do that.

When you have time off, instead of trying to Rap. How about you review game tape and try to understand why someone like Dirk Kuyt gets in the managers good graces even though he doesnt have half of your physical ability.

Rapping has fuck all to do with this, it is just an easy excuse to have a go.

Last but not least, show a little bit of respect for the club that you play for. Even if you dont like it, there is such a thing called professionalism you plonker. Wake up because I am tired of defending your lazy arse to people who have completely given up on you.

What is he meant to do? He doesn't exactly come out every week having a shot at Rafa or the club. He has been here over 2 years now and is getting fuck all playing time. Obviously Rafa doesn't fancy him, that is clear, but why is he still here.

If he wants to go, that doesn't mean he doesn't respect the club, it's fans, the manager or anyone else, it means he wants to play games.

[Terry De Niro]

Cos Lucas puts the effort in. 

In a nutshell..

[Tom_B]

Cos Lucas puts the effort in.

Easier to do that when you are starting every single game though.

[b_joseph]

You wouldn't know if he did or didn't do that.

Rapping has fuck all to do with this, it is just an easy excuse to have a go.

What is he meant to do? He doesn't exactly come out every week having a shot at Rafa or the club. He has been here over 2 years now and is getting fuck all playing time. Obviously Rafa doesn't fancy him, that is clear, but why is he still here.

If he wants to go, that doesn't mean he doesn't respect the club, it's fans, the manager or anyone else, it means he wants to play games.

1) If he was, then something is truly wrong because in 2 seasons nothing has improved.

2) Very easy excuse, I agree. But when your #1 career is quickly looking like it is going down the shitter, it could be best to focus on one thing at a time.

3) What is he meant to do? Air his opinions behind closed doors like a professional and go about it that way.


I hope he turns himself around but he has to show us something. Playing time hasnt been great for him but when you do get that chance, seize it.

[Magic8Ball]

Easier to do that when you are starting every single game though.

Makes no difference how many games you start, the effort should be there.  Thing is we don't know how good or bad Babel is. We play a system that doesn't suit him and that should be why he's sold as there's no point in keeping him with the system we have.

[Tom_B]

3) What is he meant to do? Air his opinions behind closed doors like a professional and go about it that way.

Maybe, but maybe he has and it got nowhere.

As much as we may want them to be, players aren't there for the club to do what they want with and they get fuck all say in it. He wants to play games, and he isn't getting that, I genuinely believe it is that simple.

I am not arguing that he has been good enough, I am just saying it is harsh to have a go at him for wanting to leave. What I don't get is why people seem to dislike him (fair enough, that is their own opinion), but then have a go at him when he says he wants to go.

[Terry De Niro]

Easier to do that when you are starting every single game though.

Lucas only played bit parts last season.
We lost Alonso, so he's going to play a bit more now.

Lucas will always put the effort in whether you think he's good enough,or not.

First touches, ability etc.. means fuck all to me, if players don't put their graft in, and sadly Ryan Babel to me suffers from all 3 flaws that I've mentioned.

[JackWard33]

Ryan, for if you ever decided to read this.

Go in to training an hour earlier than every single one of your teammates. Work on your technique for that hour.

When training ends, stay behind and work on your technique for longer.

When you have time off, instead of trying to Rap. How about you review game tape and try to understand why someone like Dirk Kuyt gets in the managers good graces even though he doesnt have half of your physical ability.

Last but not least, show a little bit of respect for the club that you play for. Even if you dont like it, there is such a thing called professionalism you plonker. Wake up because I am tired of defending your lazy arse to people who have completely given up on you.

I wish i was in a better / clearer thinking mood and could have posted this

nail on head

[Juan Loco]

but then have a go at him when he says he wants to go.

Can't really have a go at them for that when he waited 'til the day after the transfer window closes to say it. Should have come out with this a week ago.

[Tom_B]

Lucas only played bit parts last season.
We lost Alonso, so he's going to play a bit more now.

Lucas will always put the effort in whether you think he's good enough,or not.

First touches, ability etc.. means fuck all to me, if players don't put their graft in, and sadly Ryan Babel to me suffers from all 3 flaws.

Lucas gets too much criticism too, my point was he had a lot more people willing to wrap him in cotton wool.

Babel has suffered because people expected him to kick on last season, from a fairly decent first season.

[Tom_B]

Can't really have a go at them for that when he waited 'til the day after the transfer window closes to say it. Should have come out with this a week ago.

It is a press release. I am sure he could have told Rafa a long time ago, like Xabi for example.

[Magic8Ball]

Maybe, but maybe he has and it got nowhere.

As much as we may want them to be, players aren't there for the club to do what they want with and they get fuck all say in it. He wants to play games, and he isn't getting that, I genuinely believe it is that simple.

I am not arguing that he has been good enough, I am just saying it is harsh to have a go at him for wanting to leave. What I don't get is why people seem to dislike him (fair enough, that is their own opinion), but then have a go at him when he says he wants to go.

4 games into the season and Babel suddenly says this ? - it's clearly not new and Babel  could have sought a new club during the transfer window, he didn't.  He should keep his dead down and try to force Rafa into playing him by hitting a rich vein of form. January, well that's a different matter.

[Juan Loco]

It is a press release. I am sure he could have told Rafa a long time ago, like Xabi for example.

I don't doubt it, but I'm not surprised that some people would think he's a little stupid if he comes out with this in the press the day after the window has closed.

I don't actually blame him soley for the way that things have gone for him at Liverpool. He's a worse player now than he was in his first season. The fact that he's actually regressed makes me think that a lot of the blame lies elsewhere.

He doesn't help himself though.

[b_joseph]

Tom -  I actually like him. I think he has all the physical tools to be great but nothing annoys me more than seeing talent go to waste. I understand if he wants to leave, everyone has a right to be where they want to be. But he comes across like he has been given absolutely no chances to prove himself and that isnt the case.


Christ, can you imagine the words he will hear at Anfield if we are struggling in a game and he is dallying around the pitch?
He has done himself no favors with this at all....none.

I was worried this was going to end like Collymore and it looks like it will do now.