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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #320 on: January 19, 2011, 12:16:35 PM »
Sarah Palin's poll ratings fall after 'blood libel' row

Poll taken after Tucson controversy shows Sarah Palin's rating at lowest level since she emerged on national scene

 
    * Richard Adams in Washington
    * guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 18 January 2011 21.04 GMT


It was a case of responding to the response to her response to responses to the tragic shootings in Tucson.

Appearing on talk television, Sarah Palin's "Two-F" media strategy – Facebook and Fox News – was on display, combining an echo chamber with a hall of mirrors that equally delights supporters and dismays political opponents, while placing her out of reach of anything approaching critical or mainstream media outlets.

The choice of Sean Hannity's primetime Fox News show to defend her comments made in a video posted on her Facebook page – that she was the victim of a "blood libel" over responsibility for the Arizona shootings – was no accident: Hannity, a red-meat Republican and Tea Party favourite, served up softball questions for Palin to dispatch with ease.

Criticism from other sections of the Republican party will not be as easy for Palin to dismiss, even if she refuses to acknowledge it.

Newt Gingrich, another likely contender for the 2012 presidential nomination, had barbed advice for Palin on ABC's Good Morning America breakfast show. "I think that she's got to slow down and be more careful and think through what she's saying and how's she's saying it," he said.

Former Bush speechwriter David Frum went further. "She should stop talking now, really," he said.

But Palin didn't get where she is today by being silent, telling Hannity: "I'm not going to sit down. I'm not going to shut up."

The American people, though, may be losing patience with Palin. A Gallup poll commissioned by USA Today after the Tucson controversy found that Palin's rating is at its lowest level since she burst onto the national political scene in September 2008. She is seen in a favourable light by 38% of US voters, while 53% have an unfavourable view.

Another poll, for the Washington Post and ABC, found that 30% of voters approved of Palin's remarks after the Tucson shootings, while 46% disapproved. President Barack Obama, in contrast, had a 78% approval rating for his handling of events.

With the support of Republican powerbrokers such as Hannity and fellow Fox News headliner Glenn Beck, who emailed his support to Palin soon after the shootings, she may yet weather the storm of criticism, most of it coming from Democrats and those unlikely to support her in any circumstances.

What the affair highlights is Palin's continuing media power. She remains the only star of a Republican party which, despite recent election successes, is still struggling to find a heavyweight contender to take on Obama in 2012. For all Palin's faults she remains a significant contender – as even Dick Cheney acknowledged this week in a rare interview.

By avoiding hostile forums, Palin keeps both supporters and critics in suspense, so that every gnomic message on Twitter or Facebook gets repeated and dissected. That approach can backfire, as the "blood libel" incident clearly shows. But it means she easily commands more media attention than any other US politician barring Obama.

Ross Douthat, a conservative columnist for the New York Times, vented his frustration at the war between Palinoiacs and Palinistas, comparing the tussle between Palin and the US media over the Tucson shootings to an unhappy marriage.

"The whole business felt less like an episode in American political history than a scene from a particularly toxic marriage," Douthat wrote. "The press and Palin have been at war with each other almost from the first, but their mutual antipathy looks increasingly like co-dependency: They can't get along, but they can't live without each other either."

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #321 on: January 19, 2011, 03:56:17 PM »
She remains the only star of a Republican party which, despite recent election successes, is still struggling to find a heavyweight contender to take on Obama in 2012.

As far as lines in a story go, this one is pretty horrendous. On the star bit, she continues to get more attention from the left than the right. As the Douthat column that is mentioned in that article points out, Palin got more coverage/air time on MSNBC last year than on Fox News, which of course is the network that she appears on regularly as an employee. For being the party's only star she's sure polling like shit in the early primary polls, regularly trailing Romney and Huckabee.

As for struggling to find a heavyweight contender, I'm not even sure what that means. Generally when a party doesn't have an incumbent president or VP to nominate, the presidential field at this point in the cycle is a muddled mess. The two exceptions that stand out since the current nominating process was essentially set up in 1972 are GWB in 2000, when he was the clear frontrunner throughout, and Hillary in 2008, which didn't end so well for her. Reagan and Clinton, the only two who've beaten an incumbent president in that time span, certainly weren't standing head and shoulders above their competitors at this point. The GOP field is going to be a lot like the one we had last time, and the Dems had in 2004, and we had in 1996, and the Dems had in 1992, etc. Lots of governors and ex-governors and a few senators and congressmen and some gadfly candidates who have no shot. There will be a handful of well qualified candidates who are capable of beating Obama, and the field will take its shape as it always does over the course of the year before the primaries. I don't think you could find a single GOP operative in DC who is concerned about not having a single heavyweight contender to take on Obama at the moment.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #322 on: January 19, 2011, 04:13:13 PM »
As far as lines in a story go, this one is pretty horrendous. On the star bit, she continues to get more attention from the left than the right. As the Douthat column that is mentioned in that article points out, Palin got more coverage/air time on MSNBC last year than on Fox News, which of course is the network that she appears on regularly as an employee. For being the party's only star she's sure polling like shit in the early primary polls, regularly trailing Romney and Huckabee.

Ok, but until the gunsights brouhaha, no Republican pol would dare even lightly criticise her, because she represents the angried up bit of the Party. She is their only star, like it or not. She occupies the peculiar position of being a completely unelected representative who cannily refuses to be interviewed or questioned like a normal pol, yet exercises quite substantial influence, especially among TPers.

I don't think you could find a single GOP operative in DC who is concerned about not having a single heavyweight contender to take on Obama at the moment.

Maybe, but plenty of them will be still concerned about Palin's influence, or maybe relieved that her influence is starting to wane.

I saw Tim Pawlenty recently on the Daily Show, I was quite impressed. I presume his positions are pretty conservative, though. Know much about him?

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #323 on: January 19, 2011, 05:47:06 PM »
They have Bobby Jindal, although I'm not sure if Republicans would line up to vote for him. Huckabee is a better bet.
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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #324 on: January 19, 2011, 08:23:35 PM »
Rove criticized her during the election season and then afterwards. He's kind of a big deal. And still you aren't going to get her main rivals like Huckabee or Romney criticizing her directly on anything of substance. If anything the cross hairs thing strengthened some GOP support around her because the attacks from the left trying to tie her to the shooting were so illogical and unfair.

Palin will not be a serious threat to win the nomination unless she shows she's willing to change her approach, open up her circle to outside advisors, take constructive criticism, not respond to every comment about her from the press, etc. I think plenty of GOP consultants/party folk are concerned at the prospect of a Palin nomination, but I don't think any of them see it as particularly likely. I guess she could win the nomination, but would have to change a lot, and if she could do what was necessary to win the nomination, she might not be that bad of a general election candidate either.

I like Pawlenty a lot. He's conservative but wears it well, and has experience navigating a tricky political situation up in Minnesota. He's also trying to carve out a niche in the field as the education candidate, which is an issue I think the GOP would do well to run on in 2012. My top four right now are Christie (my fat governor), Daniels (Indiana governor), Pawlenty (former Minnesota gvoernor) and Jindal (Lousiana governor). I don't think Christie or Jindal will run. Christie's up for reelection in 2013, Jindal in 2011, so that doesn't work out well for either. Jindal is very young and is probably better off waiting another 4-8 years anyhow. I'm not sure if Daniels is going to run, but if he does I think he'll be a really interesting candidate.

The top four names in all the polling (Romney, Huckabee, Palin and Gingrich) are all tremendously flawed candidates in a GOP primary. Romney has the drags of flip flopping on key issues like abortion and his Massachusetts health care plan that resembles Obamacare in some key ways. Huckabee isn't trusted by fiscal conservatives and he has some weird sentence commuting issues where guys he gave clemency to went out and murdered people. Palin is uniquely unpopular and unacceptable to huge portions of the GOP base and appears to be almost unelectable against Obama. Gingrich has been out of office for over a decade, says a lot of ridiculous crap and has a ton of baggage. I would be surprised if any eventually ends up as the nominee. I think it will be one of five people: Daniels, Pence (Indiana congressman), Pawlenty, Barbour (Mississippi governor) or Thune (South Dakota senator).

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #325 on: January 19, 2011, 09:13:08 PM »
The top four names in all the polling (Romney, Huckabee, Palin and Gingrich) are all tremendously flawed candidates in a GOP primary. Romney has the drags of flip flopping on key issues like abortion and his Massachusetts health care plan that resembles Obamacare in some key ways. Huckabee isn't trusted by fiscal conservatives and he has some weird sentence commuting issues where guys he gave clemency to went out and murdered people. Palin is uniquely unpopular and unacceptable to huge portions of the GOP base and appears to be almost unelectable against Obama. Gingrich has been out of office for over a decade, says a lot of ridiculous crap and has a ton of baggage. I would be surprised if any eventually ends up as the nominee.

Huckabee is actually a very personable bloke but he also has "evolution" issues. Gingrich is a bomb waiting to go off, way too much history. America won't elect a Mormon so that's Romney gone. And Palin, you're right there, too, she's can't beat Obama.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #326 on: January 20, 2011, 07:08:20 AM »
Thing is, unfortunately, there isn't such a thing as having evolution issues in my party

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #327 on: January 20, 2011, 10:33:50 AM »
Question for those far more informed on this topic than me, which would be just about everyone on the thread to be honest, but is there a serious chance that this woman could be President?

I mean it's a scary thought. Bush was obviously not the smartest tool in the box and the guys behind him probably had a lot of influence on some, if not all, of the decisions he made. And for that reason I'd be kind of worried about Palin, but I'd be terrified of the guys who'd be on her staff if they had the same influence as Rumsfeld/Cheney. A lot of her thinking seems to be extremely right wing.

My father lives in the States (Miami) and after 3 years there he's had enough of the 'conservative' views of a lot of people in his city and has decided to move to Oregon. And he claims it's getting worse, (of course he could be getting more sensitive to it too), and that he feels there is a definite swing towards the right. Do the Americans here feel the same thing?

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #328 on: January 20, 2011, 12:45:36 PM »
Question for those far more informed on this topic than me, which would be just about everyone on the thread to be honest, but is there a serious chance that this woman could be President?

I think that chance passed when McCain lost. At the moment, her disapproval ratings are at an all time high. Also, I don't think she has the ability to undergo the sort of ordeal a Presidential candidate goes through. I mean, she isn't really capable of taking part in a proper news conference or giving an interview to an impartial host. Finally, if she ran against Obama, she would galvanise Obama voters who might otherwise stay home.

Is my view, anyway.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #329 on: January 20, 2011, 12:51:04 PM »
i sincerely hope american voters would have more sense but, well, ya know, it is america...

 

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #330 on: January 20, 2011, 03:32:36 PM »
I think that chance passed when McCain lost. At the moment, her disapproval ratings are at an all time high. Also, I don't think she has the ability to undergo the sort of ordeal a Presidential candidate goes through. I mean, she isn't really capable of taking part in a proper news conference or giving an interview to an impartial host. Finally, if she ran against Obama, she would galvanise Obama voters who might otherwise stay home.

Is my view, anyway.

Cheers man. She does seem to be her own worst enemy at the minute. I hope your right.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #331 on: January 20, 2011, 03:48:13 PM »
Question for those far more informed on this topic than me, which would be just about everyone on the thread to be honest, but is there a serious chance that this woman could be President?


Yes. Serious in this sense; she's unlikely to become President, but she has a 20% chance of capturing the Republican nomination, and an 80% chance of influencing it heavily. If she runs against Obama, she has a 40% chance of winning

So she's about a 10% chance of becoming President, and a 40% chance of dragging whoever does win towards her world view.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #332 on: January 20, 2011, 03:51:20 PM »
Yes. Serious in this sense; she's unlikely to become President, but she has a 20% chance of capturing the Republican nomination, and an 80% chance of influencing it heavily. If she runs against Obama, she has a 40% chance of winning

So she's about a 10% chance of becoming President, and a 40% chance of dragging whoever does win towards her world view.

Interesting. Could you give us the background to those %s?

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #333 on: January 20, 2011, 04:14:32 PM »
Interesting. Could you give us the background to those %s?

Percent has been used since the end of the fifteenth century in business problems such as computing interest, profit and loss, and taxes. However, the idea had its origin much earlier. When the Roman emperor Augustus levied a tax on all goods sold at auction, centesima rerum venalium, the rate was 1/100. Other Roman taxes were 1/20 on every freed slave and 1/25 on every slave sold. Without recognising percentages as such, they used fractions easily reduced to hundredths
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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #334 on: January 20, 2011, 04:52:36 PM »
This whole 'tea party' thing drives me round the bend, its fucking madness. I can't believe that people have these kind of beliefs.

Why is it that the majority of people with any power, the people who make massive decisions that affect the world, are basically c*nts?
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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #335 on: January 20, 2011, 05:20:34 PM »
I'd say 50% chance she runs, 5% she wins the nomination if she runs, and 20% she beats Obama if she wins the nomination. So what's that 1 in 200?

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #336 on: January 20, 2011, 07:13:04 PM »
...and has decided to move to Oregon.


he's going to fucking love it, we even have our own TV show starts this weekend.


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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #337 on: January 20, 2011, 08:04:16 PM »
I'd say 50% chance she runs, 5% she wins the nomination if she runs, and 20% she beats Obama if she wins the nomination. So what's that 1 in 200?

Yup.

I say no chance she runs. Nice and simple.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #339 on: January 21, 2011, 12:29:45 PM »
http://www.theonion.com/articles/morbid-curiosity-leading-many-voters-to-support-pa,18865/


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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #340 on: February 8, 2011, 12:05:15 PM »
Palin trademark application refused -- for now

By Diane Bartz

WASHINGTON | Fri Feb 4, 2011 6:26pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin's bid to trademark her name and that of her daughter, Bristol, ran into trouble at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office because the application forms were unsigned, government records show.

Applications to trademark the names Sarah Palin and Bristol Palin, both for "motivational speaking services," were filed on November 5 by the Palins' longtime family attorney, Thomas Van Flein, but were quickly slapped down by a trademark examiner.

"Registration is refused because the applied-for mark, SARAH PALIN, consists of a name identifying a particular living individual whose consent to register the mark is not of record," the patent agency said in an office action.

"Please note this refusal will be withdrawn if applicant provides written consent from the individual identified in the applied-for mark," the patent office said.

The office also said Palin's application failed to show that her name had been used in commerce and could also be rejected on those grounds. Bristol Palin's application also will need to be redone, according to a similar office action filed in her case.

The applications will be fixed, and the trademarks are likely to be granted, said attorney John Tiemessen, now handling the trademark process for Palin. "We're working on it," Tiemessen told Reuters. Tiemessen is with the law firm Clapp, Peterson, Tiemessen, Thorsness, Johnson, LLC.

Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president in 2008, has become one of the most recognizable names in U.S. politics and a darling of the conservative Tea Party movement that helped sweep Republicans to a majority in the House of Representatives during the 2010 elections.

Her daughter, Bristol, became a fan sensation as a contestant on the popular ABC show "Dancing with the Stars." An unwed, single mom as a teenager, Bristol has also increasingly made a name for herself giving talks about teen pregnancy and abstinence from sex.

Both women also have staked out careers on the lecture circuit, as their trademark applications attest. The governor seeks to register her name in conjunction with "providing motivational speaking services in the field of politics, culture, business and values," her application says. It also cites her services in "providing a website featuring information about political issues."

Her daughter seeks to trademark in connection with her role as a motivational speaker "in the field of life choices."

Legal experts said it is relatively unusual for politicians to formally trademark their names because they are generally not associated with commercially valuable products or services. Trademarking a name is more common for celebrities in the fields of entertainment, fashion or sports.

"There's difference between being famous and being a brand," said Claudia Ray, a partner in the New York-based firm Kirkland & Ellis LLP, which specializes in trademark law. "Sarah is somebody who is now out of government and pursuing other activities, in particular, speaking engagements ... and it looks like she's looking to protect her name with those activities."

Jim Vana, a partner with the Seattle trademark law firm Perkins Coie, said safeguarding exclusive rights to one's own name is just part of the story. "It helps to turn your fame and recognition into a brand that you can use to promote business services," he said.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #341 on: February 8, 2011, 12:55:50 PM »
"An unwed, single mom as a teenager, Bristol has also increasingly made a name for herself giving talks about teen pregnancy and abstinence from sex."

Wow. Just wow. The arrogance and hypocricy are astounding.

Looks like she might be swerving away from politics though. Which is a plus.
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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #342 on: February 8, 2011, 05:35:00 PM »
Looks like she might be swerving away from politics though. Which is a plus.

She needs to swerve the buffets and Mc Donalds more... 

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #343 on: February 9, 2011, 06:16:24 AM »
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"An unwed, single mom as a teenager, Bristol has also increasingly made a name for herself giving talks about teen pregnancy and abstinence from sex."

That's like Hicks and Gillett giving talks about responsible ownership of football clubs, or Tiger Woods giving talks about being faithful to one's wife, or The Manhattan Project giving talks about not mastubating to photos of Ann Widdecombe.


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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #344 on: February 9, 2011, 07:04:26 AM »
I'm an American Libertarian.

Palin is such a joke along with the rest of the GOP. At least the Democrats can at least pretend they are a serious political party and not act like parodies of themselves.

Why is anyone interested in what that little bint Bristol has to say? I'm glad I stopped watching the news years ago. I'd have a serious drinking problem if I hadn't.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #345 on: February 9, 2011, 09:38:52 AM »
I'm an American Libertarian.

You might like this thread, so.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #346 on: February 9, 2011, 02:17:10 PM »
this line
I'm an American Libertarian.

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Palin is such a joke along with the rest of the GOP.

make for a very promising start

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #347 on: March 15, 2011, 10:45:29 AM »
Criticism from the Right for Palin

'She's becoming Al Sharpton, Alaska edition'
By: Jonathan Martin and John F. Harris
March 14, 2011

Sarah Palin has played the sexism card, accusing critics of chauvinism against a strong woman.
She has played the class card, dismissing the Bush family as “blue bloods” and complaining that she is the target of snobbery by people who dislike her simply because she is “not so hoity-toity.”

Most famously, she has played the victim card — never more vividly than when she invoked the loaded phrase “blood libel” against liberals and media commentators in the wake of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting.

Palin’s flamboyant rhetoric always has thrilled supporters, but lately it is coming at a new cost: a backlash, not from liberals but from some of the country’s most influential conservative commentators and intellectuals.

Palin’s politics of grievance and group identity, according to these critics, is a betrayal of conservative principles. For decades, it was a standard line of the right that liberals cynically promoted victimhood to achieve their goals and that they practiced the politics of identity — race, sex and class—over ideas.

Among those taking aim at Palin in recent interviews with POLITICO are George F. Will, the elder statesman of conservative columnists; Peter Wehner, a top strategist in George W. Bush’s White House, and Heather Mac Donald, a leading voice with the right-leaning Manhattan Institute.

Matt Labash, a longtime writer for the Weekly Standard, said that because of Palin’s frequent appeals to victimhood and group grievance, “She’s becoming Al Sharpton, Alaska edition.”

Conservative intellectuals, while having scant ability to drive large blocs of votes on their own, traditionally have played an outsize role in the early stages of Republican nominating contests. Their approval has lent credence to politicians from Ronald Reagan onward hoping to portray themselves as faithful adherents to an idea-driven conservative movement.

This year, the conservative intelligentsia doesn’t just tend to dislike Palin — many fear that her rise would represent the triumph of an intellectually empty brand of populism and the death of ideas as an engine of the right.

“This is a problem for the movement,” said Will about what Palin represents. “For conservatism, because it is a creedal movement, this is a disease to which it is susceptible.”

The line of modern conservatism that can be traced back to National Review founder William F. Buckley would be broken by Palin, Will said.

“There’s no Reagan without Goldwater, no Goldwater without National Review and no National Review without Buckley — and the contrast between he and Ms. Palin is obvious.”

Asked if the GOP would remain the party of ideas if Palin captures the nomination, Will said: “The answer is emphatically no.”

Columnist Charles Krauthammer, without talking about Palin specifically, noted that “there’s healthy and unhealthy populism,” and there is concern about the rise of the latter.

“When populism becomes purely anti-intellectual, it can become unhealthy and destructive,” said Krauthammer.

Wehner, now a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, cited the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s famous 1980 declaration that the GOP had become “a party of ideas.”

“Conservatives are very proud of that,” Wehner said. “But she seems at best disinterested in ideas or least lacks the ability to articulate any philosophical justification for them. She relies instead on shallow talking points.”

Does Palin care about what conservative commentators say about her? So far, the answer would appear to be no.

After Fox News host Bill O’Reilly cited comments Krauthammer had made about her reality show in an interview with Palin in December, the Alaskan replied in a fake English accent: “Oh, I’m sorry that I’m not so hoity-toity.”

Palin defenders say she has good reason to be dismissive of elite critics — she has outpaced their low expectations at every turn. And while intellectuals may disdain identity politics in theory, in practice nearly all successful national politicians in both parties succeed in part by striking a populist chord — catering to the pride of targeted groups and giving voice to their grievances. So far, Palin has been uncommonly effective at channeling the anti-Washington, anti-establishment energy powering the right since Obama’s election.

But Palin’s skeptics said a successful presidential candidacy would need to be buoyed by genuine policy vision, not merely grievance. For now, however, Palin’s appeal is largely rooted in the sympathy she’s gleaned from her loudly voiced resentments toward the left, the news media and the GOP establishment.

“The appeal of conservatism is supposed to be people taking responsibility for their own actions,” said Labash. “But if you close your eyes and listen to Palin and her most irate supporters constantly squawk or bellyache or tweet about how unfair a ride she gets from evil mustache-twirling elites and RINO saboteurs, she sounds like a professional victimologist, the flip side of any lefty grievance group leader. She’s becoming Al Sharpton, Alaska edition. The only difference being, she wears naughty-librarian glasses instead of a James Brown ‘do.”

Right-leaning intellectuals have been wary of Palin dating back to when John McCain tapped her to be on the 2008 GOP ticket, believing then that her selection amounted to naked identity politics on the part of a desperate and less-than conservative Republican nominee.

“Thanks a lot, John McCain,” wrote Mac Donald at the time. “With his selection of an unknown, two-year female governor as his running mate, he has just ensured that the diversity racket will be an essential component of presidential politics forever more.”

Over two years later, Mac Donald, a scholar at the Manhattan Institute, said of Palin: “She is living up to the most skeptical assessment of her.”

“Practicing identity politics completely undercuts the idea that you don’t have to be white to govern whites or black to govern blacks and that gender and chromosomes are completely irrelevant job qualifications,” said Mac Donald. “It’s just a total rejection of a very important principle which is that race, gender and class don’t matter.”

Asked specifically about Palin’s attempt to woo women through her “Mama Grizzlies” appeals, Mac Donald sighed and complained about “the feminist strain” among even conservative females.
“A lot of women have it, unfortunately,” she said.

Voicing the conservative ideal, Mac Donald said: “The public should stop wanting to see itself reflected in a leader. There is something narcissistic about that. It’s really irrelevant if a political leader has any affinity with my life. The only thing that should matter are ideas, experience and executive ability.”

Palin said some of the early skepticism that greeted her arrival on the national stage in 2008 was in part because of her gender and family circumstances. “When I was tapped for the Republican vice presidential nomination, I got a lot of, quite frankly, sexist criticisms for pursuing the White House while I had a family with small children,” she wrote in her book “America By Heart.” She added, in a chapter called “The Rise of the Mama Grizzlies”: “Some of it came from conservatives who didn’t think a woman had any business being on the campaign trail with young children. I’m used to that; I’ve heard it since I first entered politics two decades ago. But most of it came from liberals who claimed to believe that women should pursue careers outside the home. Because they couldn’t very well criticize me for running for vice president, they resorted to another low form of left-wing criticism: calling me a hypocrite.”

The book is laced with Palin’s appeals to class and gender pride and bristles with diverse resentments.
She sees many parts of the American elite, for instance, as gripped by disdain toward men and women in uniform. (One of her children, Track Palin, served with the U.S. Army in Iraq.) “I wonder if this irony ever dawns on the self-described truth tellers of Washington, the mainstream media, Hollywood and academia: All of the values they hold dear — their ability to speak freely, to criticize and caricature the military, to demonize Christianity and America’s traditional values — mean nothing unless they are defended by these courageous men and women.”

The media and Hollywood, of course, are familiar conservative targets. But Palin swerved into what has more typically been liberal territory when she took a shot at the Bush family. It was the late Ann Richards, for example, who in 1988 said that George H.W. Bush was “born with a silver foot in his mouth.”

When former first lady Barbara Bush recently observed tartly that she thought Palin would be happiest staying put in Alaska rather than running for president, the former Alaska governor responded on Laura Ingraham’s radio show that the Bushes are “blue bloods who want to pick and choose their winners instead of allowing competition to pick and choose the winners.”

This comment raised eyebrows in GOP circles. According to tradition, the politics of class warfare is supposed to be something that Republicans accuse Democrats of practicing. The reality, of course, is that Republicans, too, have long practiced their own brand of class warfare — usually on cultural rather than economic grounds.

Four decades ago, Richard Nixon said he spoke for the “silent majority” of patriotic and square-minded folk, who felt disenfranchised by hippies and professors and liberal Hollywood activists. His vice president, Spiro Agnew, denounced anti-administration intellectuals as “an effete corps of impudent snobs.”

Reagan tapped into some of these same resentments, without Agnew’s peevish streak. Palin’s backers see her in a Reaganite tradition — an analogy that observers like Labash don’t buy. He said there are elements of Palin’s persona that he found appealing — including a “gameness to do just about anything.”

But, Labash added: “The downside is her gameness to do just about anything — including co-starring with Kate Gosselin on a dopey reality show. And when she does such things, and is inevitably attacked for it, that’s when you see Palinism really fall down as a political approach, as the cocked-fist self-pity and whining set in.”

Wehner, while calling Palin’s carping about some of her media treatment “understandable,” said: “The concern for me is this culture of aggrievement.”

“She seems to me to be extremely defensive and embittered,” he said, contrasting Palin with Reagan.

“He was not a person who seemed to harbor resentments,” said Wehner of the 40th president. “But she strikes me as a lot more Agnew than Reagan.”

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #348 on: March 21, 2011, 11:46:38 PM »
Sarah does Israel. Slightly crass header from the Guardian.

Sarah Palin pulls out of Bethlehem visit

Former governor of Alaska goes to Greek Orthodox monastery and Jerusalem during tour of Israel

   
    * Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
    * guardian.co.uk, Monday 21 March 2011 15.15 GMT
 
Sarah Palin apparently had second thoughts about crossing an Israeli checkpoint on Mondayto visit Bethlehem during a three-day visit to Jerusalem.

The former governor of Alaska pulled up to the checkpoint run by the Israeli border police to the south of Jerusalem in a white people carrier, with her husband, Todd, her assistant and Israeli guides.

None of the occupants left the car nor did they speak to the police officers at the checkpoint, according to photographers at the scene. They then turned around and drove away. A spokesman for the Israeli police said there was no incident at the checkpoint and a spokesman for the Israeli army said that Palin's group had not co-ordinated a visit to the occupied Palestinian territory.

Palin's group then stopped at a nearby Greek Orthodox monastery before returning to her hotel in the centre of west Jerusalem from where they later continued their tour of the city.

Tourists need to carry passports to cross checkpoints into the occupied Palestinian territory and Israelis are not normally permitted to enter areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority, such as Bethlehem.

From the checkpoint Palin would have been able to see the high concrete walls that separate Bethlehem from Jerusalem.

Palin arrived in Israel on Sunday night after a delivering a speech in India on a rare foreign trip. She is due to meet Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, on Monday evening.

On arriving in Jerusalem Palin visited the tunnels next to the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site, which is believed to have been part of the walls of the Jewish temple destroyed by the Romans in 70AD.

Palin wore a Star of David, the symbol of Judaism, around her neck, prayed close to the wall and lodged a written prayer in a crevice, according to tradition.

Palin told reporters: " It's overwhelming to be able to see and touch the cornerstone of our faith. I'm so thankful to be able to be here and I'm thankful to know the Israel-American connection will grow and strengthen as the peace negotiations continue."

Danny Danon, the Likud party member of the Knesset who invited Palin to Israel and accompanied her to the Western Wall, said Palin was moved by being close to the wall. "The visit was educational and spiritual. She was a strong friend of Israel and she will become a stronger advocate of Israel in the future," he said.

"The main purpose of the visit was to get acquainted with Israel and the holy sites. It was her first visit but I am sure she will come again."

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #349 on: March 22, 2011, 08:48:33 AM »
Sounds like a pretty poorly planned trip!

The more I think about Palin the more I kind of want her to get the GOP nomination.  She would surely get completely humiliated in a national pole... or perhaps I should be careful what I wish for  ;)

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« Reply #350 on: April 11, 2011, 04:34:17 PM »
This obituary might be a little premature but anyway....

What ever happened to Sarah Palin?

With each passing day, her White House stock seems to decline. Does it even matter anymore if she runs?
By Steve Kornacki/Salon

While we were all falling for John Boehner's head fakes last week, a poll was released that probably deserved more attention than it received. After all, it contained the strongest evidence yet that Sarah Palin has been thoroughly and completely marginalized as a national political force.

The NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey found the former Alaska governor's popularity at all-time low, with just 25 percent of Americans expressing a positive opinion of her -- and 53 percent a negative one. This was the worst score for any of the American politicians measured (although if it’s any consolation to Palin, she did fare better than Moammar Gadhafi, who clocked in with a two percent favorable rating) and represented an 18-point spike since last September in Palin's negative rating.

The poll also found her falling back in the 2012 GOP horserace. Not long ago, she routinely finished at or near the top in '12 trial heats; now she's back in fifth place, with just ten percent.

It's hard to look back at the last six month and pinpoint one precise moment when the bottom fell out for Palin (although her response to the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, panned as tone deaf by even many of her fellow Republicans, comes close). But at some point recently, she stopped simply being a polarizing lightning rod -- one with as many fanatical followers as diehard critics -- and transformed into a figure who even Republican-leaning voters have a hard time taking seriously.

This is, obviously, a welcome development for pragmatic, bottom line-oriented Republicans. And, perhaps, a surprising one. In the immediate wake of last fall's midterms, it seemed only too easy to imagine Palin jumping into the '12 race, securing the GOP nomination and then squandering what otherwise might be a winnable November election for her party.

Sure, the GOP establishment was well aware of her general election liabilities -- just as they'd been aware of the Sharron Angle's and Christine O'Donnell's and Ken Buck's liabilities. But their frantic efforts to convince Republican primary voters to reject those Senate candidates last year and instead to embrace safer, more electable alternatives backfired horrifically. GOP primary voters wanted purity, not pragmatism, even if it meant leaving Senate seats on the table. It wasn't a stretch to suggest they'd be in the same mood in '12 -- seeing through Mitt Romney's (or Tim Pawlenty's or Haley Barbour's…) efforts to gain Tea Party credibility and instead opting for the real deal, Palin.

So what changed? The answer seems to be that even opinion-shaping conservatives -- the folks who had been making excuses for Palin -- woke up, probably because they grasped for the first time how serious her '12 prospects had become. As we've been tracking, commentators with deep credibility on the right began speaking up in the weeks and months after the November election, either casting doubt on her leadership skills or electability or making the case -- as Andrew Breitbart did -- that she's just too big for the presidency.

Conservative voters, it seems, began to get the message: It was OK to like Palin and to believe she was a victim of the left and its allies and to still conclude that she wasn't presidential material. By the end of December, polls began registering a marked uptick in Palin's unfavorable scores, even among Republicans.

Then came the Tucson shootings, after which the now-infamous "crosshairs" map on Palin's website became the focus of intense scrutiny. Palin's reaction was typical -- she portrayed herself an innocent victim of a liberal attack. And, to be fair, she had -- in this one instance -- a rather legitimate gripe. A connection -- direct or indirect -- between the old crosshairs map and Giffords' shooting was completely nonexistent. But what was revealing was the response of several prominent opinion-shapers on the right. Instead of backing up Palin's rage, they chastised her. Charles Krauthammer, for instance, called her statement "unfortunate and unnecessary." Krauthammer could have played it either way. It's hard not to conclude that his decision to join the Palin pile-on was rooted, in part, in a desire to decrease her chances of winning the nomination.

The occasional rebukes have continued since then, while Palin has made no apparent effort to mend fences with her party's opinion-shapers. As a result, there isn't nearly enough pressure now on rank-and-file conservative voters to go along with the crowd and pretend that the empress is wearing clothes.

Trying to predict what Palin will do in '12 is foolish. Maybe she'll run, and maybe she won't. But as time progresses, her decision seems less and less consequential. The Republicans who cheered her wildly in 2008 and defended her intently for the next two years seem to have decided to simply move on without her.

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #351 on: April 11, 2011, 05:11:38 PM »
Corkboy <3s news about Sarah Palin.
being a rebel's fine

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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #352 on: April 11, 2011, 05:18:45 PM »
Corkboy <3s news about Sarah Palin.
there are a hell of a lot of liberals who seem to enjoy following her every move (see: this thread)
True. It's a guilty pleasure of mine.

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« Reply #353 on: April 11, 2011, 05:49:38 PM »


she is a stunner like, puts nadine dorries to shame.
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« Reply #354 on: April 12, 2011, 05:00:46 AM »
That Kornacki guy is the same guy I quoted on the budget deal

He is, by far, my favorite liberal pundit. Not to say he's always right, but I think he always has an interesting, worthwhile take on issues and events.

Well worth reading regularly.

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« Reply #355 on: April 12, 2011, 12:10:55 PM »
The more I think about Palin the more I kind of want her to get the GOP nomination.  She would surely get completely humiliated in a national pole... or perhaps I should be careful what I wish for  ;)

I 'd love to see Sarah humiliated on a pole.

I'd actually like to video the event.
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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #356 on: April 12, 2011, 01:08:18 PM »
I 'd love to see Sarah humiliated on my pole.

I'd actually like to video the event.

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« Reply #357 on: April 12, 2011, 03:56:08 PM »
I 'd love to see Sarah humiliated on a pole.

Yours?
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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #358 on: April 12, 2011, 03:57:56 PM »
This obituary might be a little premature but anyway....

What ever happened to Sarah Palin?

With each passing day, her White House stock seems to decline. Does it even matter anymore if she runs?
By Steve Kornacki/Salon

While we were all falling for John Boehner's head fakes last week, a poll was released that probably deserved more attention than it received. After all, it contained the strongest evidence yet that Sarah Palin has been thoroughly and completely marginalized as a national political force.

The NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey found the former Alaska governor's popularity at all-time low, with just 25 percent of Americans expressing a positive opinion of her -- and 53 percent a negative one. This was the worst score for any of the American politicians measured (although if it’s any consolation to Palin, she did fare better than Moammar Gadhafi, who clocked in with a two percent favorable rating) and represented an 18-point spike since last September in Palin's negative rating.

The poll also found her falling back in the 2012 GOP horserace. Not long ago, she routinely finished at or near the top in '12 trial heats; now she's back in fifth place, with just ten percent.

It's hard to look back at the last six month and pinpoint one precise moment when the bottom fell out for Palin (although her response to the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, panned as tone deaf by even many of her fellow Republicans, comes close). But at some point recently, she stopped simply being a polarizing lightning rod -- one with as many fanatical followers as diehard critics -- and transformed into a figure who even Republican-leaning voters have a hard time taking seriously.

This is, obviously, a welcome development for pragmatic, bottom line-oriented Republicans. And, perhaps, a surprising one. In the immediate wake of last fall's midterms, it seemed only too easy to imagine Palin jumping into the '12 race, securing the GOP nomination and then squandering what otherwise might be a winnable November election for her party.

Sure, the GOP establishment was well aware of her general election liabilities -- just as they'd been aware of the Sharron Angle's and Christine O'Donnell's and Ken Buck's liabilities. But their frantic efforts to convince Republican primary voters to reject those Senate candidates last year and instead to embrace safer, more electable alternatives backfired horrifically. GOP primary voters wanted purity, not pragmatism, even if it meant leaving Senate seats on the table. It wasn't a stretch to suggest they'd be in the same mood in '12 -- seeing through Mitt Romney's (or Tim Pawlenty's or Haley Barbour's…) efforts to gain Tea Party credibility and instead opting for the real deal, Palin.

So what changed? The answer seems to be that even opinion-shaping conservatives -- the folks who had been making excuses for Palin -- woke up, probably because they grasped for the first time how serious her '12 prospects had become. As we've been tracking, commentators with deep credibility on the right began speaking up in the weeks and months after the November election, either casting doubt on her leadership skills or electability or making the case -- as Andrew Breitbart did -- that she's just too big for the presidency.

Conservative voters, it seems, began to get the message: It was OK to like Palin and to believe she was a victim of the left and its allies and to still conclude that she wasn't presidential material. By the end of December, polls began registering a marked uptick in Palin's unfavorable scores, even among Republicans.

Then came the Tucson shootings, after which the now-infamous "crosshairs" map on Palin's website became the focus of intense scrutiny. Palin's reaction was typical -- she portrayed herself an innocent victim of a liberal attack. And, to be fair, she had -- in this one instance -- a rather legitimate gripe. A connection -- direct or indirect -- between the old crosshairs map and Giffords' shooting was completely nonexistent. But what was revealing was the response of several prominent opinion-shapers on the right. Instead of backing up Palin's rage, they chastised her. Charles Krauthammer, for instance, called her statement "unfortunate and unnecessary." Krauthammer could have played it either way. It's hard not to conclude that his decision to join the Palin pile-on was rooted, in part, in a desire to decrease her chances of winning the nomination.

The occasional rebukes have continued since then, while Palin has made no apparent effort to mend fences with her party's opinion-shapers. As a result, there isn't nearly enough pressure now on rank-and-file conservative voters to go along with the crowd and pretend that the empress is wearing clothes.

Trying to predict what Palin will do in '12 is foolish. Maybe she'll run, and maybe she won't. But as time progresses, her decision seems less and less consequential. The Republicans who cheered her wildly in 2008 and defended her intently for the next two years seem to have decided to simply move on without her.

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Two things,

1. Who are the 2% who had a favourable opinion of Gaddafi?

2. Krauthammer is a fucking boss name. I'm going to start up a new Medal of Honor game and name my guy Krauthammer.
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Re: Sarah Palin resigns
« Reply #359 on: April 12, 2011, 04:01:07 PM »
2. Krauthammer is a fucking boss name. I'm going to start up a new Medal of Honor game and name my guy Krauthammer.

This is the guy. He's a tool.