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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2560 on: February 7, 2010, 11:48:57 AM »
Pathetic the level of this league apart from the top two. Simply pathetic. No Karpin and Mostovoi's Celtas, No Juande's Sevillas, No Alonso, Karpin, Nihat and Kovacevic's Real Sociedad, No Benitez's Valencias, no Irureta's Deportivos or the previous Super Depors, and I'm still not mentioning a few more that were much superior to many teams in the competition now.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2561 on: February 7, 2010, 11:59:33 AM »
Does any site write very good match reports and analysis for la liga? I don't watch the games, just read the reports and watch highlights.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/category/goals/spain/ has good highlights.
ESPN is where i read most of the European reports, there not too bad.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2562 on: February 7, 2010, 12:22:06 PM »
Pathetic the level of this league apart from the top two. Simply pathetic. No Karpin and Mostovoi's Celtas, No Juande's Sevillas, No Alonso, Karpin, Nihat and Kovacevic's Real Sociedad, No Benitez's Valencias, no Irureta's Deportivos or the previous Super Depors, and I'm still not mentioning a few more that were much superior to many teams in the competition now.
Well it is hardly suprising the gap in spending between the top two and the rest is a ridiculous level now, madrid spending 300 million barca spending 60 million on 2 players, sure is great for these two teams, but makes the rest of the league boring! how on earth can anyone challenge the top two for the next 5 years or even come close? If someone does assemble a decent side all the stars players will just be robbed by barca and madrid. Madrid had to spend 300 million just to get close to barca, how will the other teams manage to do that?
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2563 on: February 7, 2010, 01:47:50 PM »
Pathetic the level of this league apart from the top two. Simply pathetic. No Karpin and Mostovoi's Celtas, No Juande's Sevillas, No Alonso, Karpin, Nihat and Kovacevic's Real Sociedad, No Benitez's Valencias, no Irureta's Deportivos or the previous Super Depors, and I'm still not mentioning a few more that were much superior to many teams in the competition now.

Do you think the Galacticos squad was better to win the league than Real Madrid's current squad? I rather faced the Galacticos. Great eleven, but lazy and very little on the bench.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2564 on: February 7, 2010, 03:32:50 PM »
Pathetic the level of this league apart from the top two. Simply pathetic. No Karpin and Mostovoi's Celtas, No Juande's Sevillas, No Alonso, Karpin, Nihat and Kovacevic's Real Sociedad, No Benitez's Valencias, no Irureta's Deportivos or the previous Super Depors, and I'm still not mentioning a few more that were much superior to many teams in the competition now.
Espanyol wasn't as bad as now either. They used to give a good fight to Madrid when De La Pena and Tamudo were at their best.
Villarreal with Riquelme, Zaragoza with Aimar, D'Alessandro, D. Milito and Gabi Milito etc. Indeed, not much quality these days.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2565 on: February 7, 2010, 03:43:30 PM »
I may be wrong, seeing as I don't watch as much La liga this year as usual, but is Xavi better than he's ever been right now? Every time I watch Barcelona, not only does he as ever control the play, and never misplace a pass, but also provide a greater number of simply brilliant throughballs than before, and he also pops up with a goal quite often. I don't think I've seen a better and more complete passer of the ball than him. Second only to Messi as the world best player over the last few years.

Last season was his best. This season he has not played as well but now he is picking up.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2566 on: February 7, 2010, 04:14:30 PM »
I may be wrong, seeing as I don't watch as much La liga this year as usual, but is Xavi better than he's ever been right now? Every time I watch Barcelona, not only does he as ever control the play, and never misplace a pass, but also provide a greater number of simply brilliant throughballs than before, and he also pops up with a goal quite often. I don't think I've seen a better and more complete passer of the ball than him. Second only to Messi as the world best player over the last few years.
He was never mediocre or average for past 8-9 years, IMO. He was always a tidy passer, and we almost always dominated (out-passed) our opponents in part due to him. Just since Deco and Ronaldinho left, and with Spain because they were never there, he started taking role of a leader. More through balls now, he is also central point of the team.

Before, either because Rijkaard told him to do that or he did it automatically by himself, he would give the ball to Deco or Ronaldinho for them to try their tricks. Indeed, you don't want to have too many adventurous passers in the middle, you will lose a lot of possession. But I always thought he was better than Deco, in fact, I was always disappointed that Deco was getting more praise, media as "the better player". Deco has better shot, but he is not in the same bracket in terms of passing as Xavi, for me. Can't dominate as much, and tries the fancy stuff needlessly sometimes. Xavi probably is the best player who knows when to release the ball, when to go past somebody, when to attempt a through ball.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2567 on: February 7, 2010, 04:52:12 PM »
On another note, with all the criticism of dropping quality of leagues in Italy and Spain due to gap in financial muscles, it seems the same is or was always true for England. Arsenal and Liverpool have absolutely no chance for title fight with Chelsea and ManU. Chelsea is again comfortably beating Arsenal. Media hyped Arsenal as title contenders as if 3-4 teams going to fight for the title, at no point Arsenal was a contender with their squad. Even fight for 4th Champions League spot seems over. Despite all the troubles of Liverpool with injuries and squad crisis, it turns out it's a myth that Aston Villa and Tottenhem improved.

Anyway, I wonder how long Cesc Fabregas will be happy with Arsenal's transfer policy...

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2568 on: February 7, 2010, 05:07:26 PM »
On another note, with all the criticism of dropping quality of leagues in Italy and Spain due to gap in financial muscles, it seems the same is or was always true for England. Arsenal and Liverpool have absolutely no chance for title fight with Chelsea and ManU. Chelsea is again comfortably beating Arsenal. Media hyped Arsenal as title contenders as if 3-4 teams going to fight for the title, at no point Arsenal was a contender with their squad. Even fight for 4th Champions League spot seems over. Despite all the troubles of Liverpool with injuries and squad crisis, it turns out it's a myth that Aston Villa and Tottenhem improved.

Anyway, I wonder how long Cesc Fabregas will be happy with Arsenal's transfer policy...

Fourth is still up in the air, don;t be fooled by the optimism after yesterday's results. Us and City will in all likelihood be battling for it till the end of the season, and I haven't ruled Tottenham out, and there's still a chance for Aston Villa, although they're a lot less liely to get it than the other three.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2569 on: February 7, 2010, 06:31:51 PM »
Fourth is still up in the air, don;t be fooled by the optimism after yesterday's results. Us and City will in all likelihood be battling for it till the end of the season, and I haven't ruled Tottenham out, and there's still a chance for Aston Villa, although they're a lot less liely to get it than the other three.
I don't know what Liverpool has to do in order to lose 4th spot really. I think at one point you had the worst run in past 30 years or so, am I correct? Losing or not winning 9 games straight or something like that.
ManCity with their squad can and should challenge for the 4th spot, but it seems they will get there only if Liverpool doesn't turn up for matches ;D I can't see Liverpool getting any worse, injured players are coming back etc.

PS ManCity will challenge for the 4th spot next year though, if they keep buying.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2570 on: February 7, 2010, 09:20:45 PM »
Little Luis on for Racing Santander v ATH Mad !!!   still miss the wee man !


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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2571 on: February 7, 2010, 09:22:00 PM »
He came from BARCA, to bring us joy!

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2572 on: February 7, 2010, 10:29:19 PM »
Xavi Iniesta and Messi are the top 3 footballers in the world. Love watching them play.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2573 on: February 7, 2010, 10:30:07 PM »
Little Luis on for Racing Santander v ATH Mad !!!   still miss the wee man !


luis Garcia.....he drinks sangria....  :-)

What were the score in this game and how did the genius do

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2574 on: February 8, 2010, 08:55:22 AM »
What were the score in this game and how did the genius do

1-1   came on as a late sub and didn't really make an impact,  good to see him though !  didn't know he got a free transfer from Ath Mad!
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2575 on: February 8, 2010, 11:43:23 AM »
This is Phil Ball's weekly column for soccernet. Always thought he was one of the better football writers around and I think this week's was particularly good. Worth a read.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=738484&sec=europe&root=europe&cc=4716

"Successful football is about good habits," quoth Brian Clough, more or less in those words. Maybe so. What he meant was that you inculcate good habits into a player on the training ground to the extent that the player then reproduces them automatically on match-days, usually without the manager's further intervention.

Clough, for one, was famous for not turning up for training sessions, preferring to take his dog for a walk, which was his implicit way of acknowledging that the habits had been taken on. Vicente Del Bosque is another one from this school of management, preferring not to change the well-oiled Luis Aragonés machine, and only applying fine-tuning when necessary.

When this works well, a team can seem invincible. When it's the other way around, the negative runs can seem irreversible. The phrase that often accompanies these two states is 'winning/losing mentality', since a simpler explanation seems to be required by the general public. But it's a combination of habits and a state of mind, from the background work that has been put in.

My team, Grimsby Town, lost at home to Notts County last Saturday and established a club record of 20 consecutive games without a win. That's some going, since the club was founded in 1878. I saw them play at Christmas, as I mentioned in this column, and they drew at home to Bury, needlessly conceding a penalty in the last minute of the game. It was a result of bad habits, an inability to both kill the game and hold onto the ball for any longer than a couple of seconds. It was nothing to do with bad luck.

With this not particularly in mind, I watched an indulgent amount of football over the weekend, for a married man with children. May St Peter understand, in the end, that it was all in the service of ESPN. On Saturday morning I watched a junior game of my son's ex-team, then nipped home to watch the Liverpool derby on the box. Early evening I watched some Spanish second division fare, with Murcia playing Real Sociedad, then wandered out to the bar to have a look at Barcelona versus Getafe. The wonderful Strictly Come Dancing has been replaced by the appalling So You Think You Can Dance?, leaving me no option but to leave the house. When I returned, I took in Real Madrid v Espanyol, and finished off in a semi-vegetative state as the English Match of the Day droned by.

On the Sunday morning I went to watch my son play for Antiguoko, the boys' team that produced Xabi Alonso, Mikel Arteta, Aritz Aduriz and several others now plying their professional trade. They won 3-0, went top of a league in which they are a year younger than the rest of the teams, and basically proved Clough's point - or is it Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola's?

Antiguoko were visited by a delegation from Liverpool last year to see how it's done, and visited this year by a Japanese delegation for similar reasons. They're a humbler Ajax Academy, and are not affiliated to any professional team. Neither do they enjoy the facilities that Ajax possess. The visitors sent by Benitez were stunned to find that the club had no ground of its own, sharing a municipal one with a score of other local clubs. The present squad, plus recent additions like my son, went the first three years of its existence without losing a single match. The first time was to Barcelona, in a national tournament. Their tactical system is slightly rigid, and it takes time for newcomers to get used to it, but the players are basically wired into a curious 'we shall not lose' paradigm. It's kind of scary, and I think they'd probably beat Grimsby, in spite of only being 14 year-olds. Scary in the same way as Barįa were, on Saturday night.

Barįa still haven't lost in the league this season, and the Getafe game in the Camp Nou was an interesting demonstration of why not. It marked a line across the league, a possible 'they shall not pass' in reference to their closest pursuers, Real Madrid. If ever there was an occasion in which they were likely to lose, this was it. The fact that they won comfortably (the 2-1 scoreline masks the truth), was a slap in the face of Madrid's dogged rearguard actions, condemned for several weeks now to the act of entering the fray with the sole motive of needing to win in order to reduce Barįa's temporary eight-point lead to five. They must be getting a bit fed up of waiting for the leaders to blow it.

But hope springs eternal in the breast, despite the fact that Messi had opened the scoring with another wonder goal to add to his burgeoning collection, hitting a curling shot first time with his instep that left Codina grasping at the ether. Twenty minutes later, Gerard Piqué took out Rafa with a clumsy and aggressive-looking challenge which earned him a direct red, although you might argue that the decision was a tad harsh. It wasn't the first problem of the night, since Dani Alves had already gone for an earlier bath having injured himself in the warm-up.

Problem? Not really. Getafe are a good side, and are not afraid to have a go in a place like the Camp Nou, and for twenty minutes or so after Pique walked they controlled the game and should have equalised. But the curious thing about that initial period of numerical inequality was that it made absolutely no difference to Barįa's basic approach. Helenio Herrera once said that he preferred to play with ten men because it suited his tactical mentality and approach to the game, but he was talking about parking the bus and renouncing anything resembling so much as a counter-attack. Barįa did no such thing, and only made minimal tactical adjustments.

At one point (I made a note of the time - 33 minutes, 24 seconds), Getafe gave the ball away just inside their own half and were suddenly swarmed upon by marauding azulgranas, effected with such speed that Getafe were suddenly outnumbered four to five at the back. Xavi almost scored, and the pattern for the second half was set.

As time wore on in the game, particularly after Ibrahimovic had given way to Sergio Busquets, Barįa seemed to have more men on the pitch than Getafe. It never occurred to Barcelona that they might lose. Instead of retiring into the trenches and letting Getafe have the run of Camp Nou, they simply played their usual possession game, using Messi as the lone reference up front, but making sure that whenever he had the ball he would scare the Getafe defenders into the sort of defensive scurrying that impeded their staging a comeback. When you're 11 on 10, you wage a war of attrition on your tiring opponents, and eventually it pays off. Instead, Getafe seemed to be constantly on the back foot, much to manager Michel's growing desperation.

Messi sealed it after 66 minutes, setting off with five Getafe players in pursuit and like a mother bird leading predators from her nest, he za-zoomed to the left of the area as Xavi crept up behind and stole into the unguarded space to the right. Messi stopped on a 50-cent piece, turned and passed it over with his right foot, upon which Xavi finished the game. Getafe's penalty in extra-time, which resulted in Rafa Marquez being sent off, was hardly significant.

The funniest aspect of all this was the continued campaign in the Madrid press the following day about how Barcelona are being aided and abetted by the referees. Interesting one that. Barįa had two players sent off and conceded a penalty. The referee, Teixiera Vitienes, was clearly a secret Catalan. If it weren't so pathetic it would be amusing. Apparently Ibra was offide for the first goal, and the ref turned a 'clear' penalty down when Rios actually dived over Abidal. Sending off two Barįa players was clearly an attempt to hide his bias, and the fact that the two players will be missing for the trip to Atlético Madrid next week is irrelevant, of course. Txiki Begiristain, finally losing his patience with this niggly little campaign, let forth some emotional steam on Sunday morning, but he might be better off just ignoring it.

Barcelona sent out a message to the rest of the league on Saturday night. Its content was basically 'we're going to win the league again, and there's not much you can do about it'. The good habits have not been formed entirely by Guardiola, but he has added to them and is not a hands-off manager. Barįa do not view defeat as a possibility. So far it's a mojo that's working fine.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2576 on: February 8, 2010, 01:05:17 PM »
By the way, pretty good game by Granero vs Espanyol. He was the one providing passes into the area for two of the goals and had a pretty active role in midfield. It was to be expected because he has far too much quality not to stand out in some way or other, but he hasn't showed anything really extraordinary yet, especially considering the league isn't a good tool to measure the level someone like himself actually gives.

Alonso, Granero and Kaka make sense in the same context. Marcelo and Lass next to any of the previous ones, not so much.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2577 on: February 9, 2010, 03:31:06 PM »
I found this Ibrahimovic's interview on www.football-italia.net :

Barcelona striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic says it's harder to score in Italy even though he has found the net just once in his last nine games in Spain.

The 28-year-old Swede left Inter in the summer after five very successful years in Italy.

He finished Capocannoniere in his final season with the Nerazzurri, scoring 25 goals in 35 games in Serie A.

Speaking to El Periodico, Ibrahimovic said: “In Italy they give you three or four chances in one game and you have to be ready not to make a mistake.

“You can go 80 minutes without touching the ball, but you know that in the end a chance will arrive. And you can't miss it because they will judge you on that chance. For this reason, Italians hold strikers like Inzaghi and Trezeguet in high regard because they are people capable of scoring with only one goal scoring chance.”

Ibrahimovic then reflected on the differences between Italy and Spain.

“Here at Barca it seems like I have returned to the time I spent with Ajax. In Italy, they aren't interested in good football.

“They only need a 1-0. Nothing else counts other than the victory. And if someone thinks about playing good football, they tell you: “Yes, you have played well, but you haven't won anything, right?

“Good football doesn't count for anything to them. If you won 1-0 at Ajax then the fans would whistle you. 'How is it possible?' I asked myself. Because the people want good football. They want a spectacle.

“In Italy they wanted to imitate the Guardiola model, but it's not so easy. He thinks like a player. He is very active. He participates a lot in training. In the past I had Coaches who were more passive, people more used to commanding than explaining things.

“Pep is not a policeman who gives orders, a dictator who imposes duties. He is more of a professor who instructs. Capello, Mancini and Mourinho weren't so active. Capello and Mourinho explain things to you with a blackboard. Pep goes on the pitch. He was a great player and he knows what a footballer is thinking. He lives for football, 24 hours a day.”

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2578 on: February 9, 2010, 09:08:28 PM »
Xavi Iniesta and Messi are the top 3 footballers in the world. Love watching them play.

Add Fabregas for next year.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2579 on: February 9, 2010, 11:56:55 PM »
I found this Ibrahimovic's interview on www.football-italia.net :

Seems fair to me if I am to judge just by cliche that Spanish football is more attacking. I believe in that personally.
Though it might be also untrue. Ibra probably is judging Spanish vs Italian football similar to Barca vs Inter/Juve. It is safe to say that we create more chances than both, and arguably any other team in the world. Glad that Ibra realizes we create much more, and hope he makes a fair conclusion - he has to convert those chances. If it is harder in Italy and he could do it, he should be able to do the same in Spain.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2580 on: February 10, 2010, 12:56:47 AM »
If rumours are true then were the hell would Fabregas play?!Would they simply drop yaya and play with no holding hard tackling midfielder?!Or will a change of system be put in place..I cant see pep wanting to change the system though and even if he does..He'll still have to play wide because if he plays narrow at the camp nou hes fooked?
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2581 on: February 10, 2010, 01:05:34 AM »
Henry's off in the summer anyway most likely, so were Fabregas to join, we'd see a lot more of Iniesta wide left.


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« Reply #2582 on: February 10, 2010, 01:11:24 AM »
Henry's off in the summer anyway most likely, so were Fabregas to join, we'd see a lot more of Iniesta wide left.



I thought Pedro was the man to fill henrys boots?
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« Reply #2583 on: February 10, 2010, 01:21:27 AM »
He plays just as comfortably on the right wing as he does on the left, in my opinion.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2584 on: February 10, 2010, 01:31:27 AM »
He plays just as comfortably on the right wing as he does on the left, in my opinion.

Then were do you play messi?Basically Barcelona could potentially have a front 6 next year of Xavi,Cesc,Iniesta,Messi, Pedro and Ibra..Not bad......
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« Reply #2585 on: February 10, 2010, 01:57:41 AM »
Yeah, actually I am worried about not only Pedro, but other kids we have who show high potential. Fabregas, unlike the 30-year old Henry we signed, is a young player and he will occupy that position for years to come. Completely redundant to buy him, IMO. It will set a very dangerous precedent. Message to other clubs is "come and buy our youngsters, we will buy them back for $$$". Why do we have to spend? Is it because we don't have greedy owners who want to earn money? Even if that is the case, we have debt to pay back, not much, but still.
As long as Cesc stays in Arsenal, he is no danger for Barca whatsoever. Arsenal is not a Champions League title contender, IMO.
Only if he goes to ManU or Chelsea or Madrid, he can strengthen them. The former two are not in Spain, and if he decides to join Madrid after leaving Barca in such way, fuck him I say.

We have Alcantara, Dos Santos and Sergi Roberto coming up. Dumb to spend 50 million euros on Cesc and then sell the former three for combined fee of 10 million or so.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2586 on: February 10, 2010, 02:29:04 AM »
Will Botia and Assulin not make it then? Or are you just stating players that play in Cesc's position...

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2587 on: February 10, 2010, 07:12:13 AM »
I like Phil Ball's articles, he has great insight. He was pretty upset when Alonso joined Madrid.
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« Reply #2588 on: February 10, 2010, 10:14:38 AM »
Yeah, actually I am worried about not only Pedro, but other kids we have who show high potential. Fabregas, unlike the 30-year old Henry we signed, is a young player and he will occupy that position for years to come. Completely redundant to buy him, IMO. It will set a very dangerous precedent. Message to other clubs is "come and buy our youngsters, we will buy them back for $$$". Why do we have to spend? Is it because we don't have greedy owners who want to earn money? Even if that is the case, we have debt to pay back, not much, but still.
As long as Cesc stays in Arsenal, he is no danger for Barca whatsoever. Arsenal is not a Champions League title contender, IMO.
Only if he goes to ManU or Chelsea or Madrid, he can strengthen them. The former two are not in Spain, and if he decides to join Madrid after leaving Barca in such way, fuck him I say.

We have Alcantara, Dos Santos and Sergi Roberto coming up. Dumb to spend 50 million euros on Cesc and then sell the former three for combined fee of 10 million or so.

The point is how much they rate those three youngsters, whether they are ready to play with the first team. Also it is possible that Barcelona may like to lure Fabregas away from Real Madrid, a player who I think would make them much stronger. Xavi is 30 although not giving signs of slowing down. Iniesta tends to spend 1/3 of the season in the treatment room. Barcelona play much better with two creators in front of their DM.

Many things to consider.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2589 on: February 10, 2010, 10:55:30 AM »
Arsenal folks must be extremely pissed. Allegedly the agreement is between the player and FC Barcelona, the Catalan club hasn't approached Arsenal yet.

This happens all the time, I know, but still illegal and annoying.

I rate Fabregas and it is scary to think he could improve Barcelona. They are an incredibly well oiled machine as it is.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2590 on: February 10, 2010, 12:30:11 PM »
Barcelona just relased a statement about the rumours:
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Given the exceptional repercussions created by the stories that have appeared in different media with respect to an agreement with Arsenal FC player Cesc Fābregas, FCB flatly denies that there have been any negotiations or agreements with the player.
In accordance with FIFA regulations, FC Barcelona’s contract policy has always made it a priority to negotiate with the club of origin before making any particular agreement with the player.

FC Barcelona wishes to stress that it has always maintained excellent institutional relations with Arsenal FC.

What "exceptional repercussions"?

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2591 on: February 10, 2010, 12:38:30 PM »
Tapping up regulations,future bans,fines ect..
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2592 on: February 10, 2010, 01:09:55 PM »
Arsenal folks must be extremely pissed. Allegedly the agreement is between the player and FC Barcelona, the Catalan club hasn't approached Arsenal yet.

This happens all the time, I know, but still illegal and annoying.

I rate Fabregas and it is scary to think he could improve Barcelona. They are an incredibly well oiled machine as it is.

It is more annoying poaching a youngster from your youth set-up for nothing.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2593 on: February 10, 2010, 01:10:53 PM »
Repeated.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2594 on: February 10, 2010, 02:36:53 PM »
Toure, Abidal, El Chigro, Marquez, Pique, Alves.

None of them will play vs Atleti this weekend.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2595 on: February 10, 2010, 03:34:52 PM »
Will Botia and Assulin not make it then? Or are you just stating players that play in Cesc's position...
I just counted players for left wing and/or central midfielder department. Right now, we have a proper left winger in Pedro, and even Iniesta will have to move there if Cesc joins. So that will close all positions for years to come:

--------------------Busquets/Toure
----------------Xavi---------------Cesc

Messi-------------------------------------Iniesta/Pedro
---------------------Ibra/Bojan

On the Assulin part, he is very highly rated. But I didn't name all wingers we have. We also have Jeffren, who has impressed in some games.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2596 on: February 10, 2010, 03:39:34 PM »
The point is how much they rate those three youngsters, whether they are ready to play with the first team. Also it is possible that Barcelona may like to lure Fabregas away from Real Madrid, a player who I think would make them much stronger. Xavi is 30 although not giving signs of slowing down. Iniesta tends to spend 1/3 of the season in the treatment room. Barcelona play much better with two creators in front of their DM.

Many things to consider.
I see what you mean, but I don't like idea of retiring Xavi. He is along with Valdes, Puyol and Messi, one of the most consistent performers this year. For me, he is the second best player in the squad and third most consistent this season behind Valdes and Puyol.
As for Iniesta, say if he is fit for more than half a season, would that mean Cesc has to be benched that time period? You don't buy a 50-million player and keep him on bench.

Though you are right, may be they don't rate Alcantara and Dos Santos, Sergi Roberto is only 17 so he has 5-6 years to develop. But today I read a news, says we extended contract with Jeffren which to me means, we rate him. And where is he going to play I wouldn't know...

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2597 on: February 10, 2010, 03:41:38 PM »
Toure, Abidal, El Chigro, Marquez, Pique, Alves.

None of them will play vs Atleti this weekend.
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« Reply #2598 on: February 10, 2010, 04:22:45 PM »
Chygrnski has looked so so bad everytime i've seen him, Barca and Shaktar, why did they pay so much money? :S
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #2599 on: February 10, 2010, 06:32:49 PM »
They will be together again