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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1800 on: December 20, 2009, 04:30:20 PM »
I remember having an argument with one of them in the summer as he was calling Guardiola/Laporta idiots for the whole Eto'o/Ibrahimovic thing. Bet he's cheering the fuckers name week in week out now though.

Imagine that! Having an argument with a Barca fan about how they should probably think about being a bit fairer to the guys who've just won them a treble!




I think you are a bit retarded, as i say when they swap eto'o - Ibra + 45m€ after winning the treble, it's a fuckin ridiculous transfer, and after win it all i say, the swap eto'o - Ibra + 45m€ its RIDICULOUS, i was not calling them idiots for any other reason, just for THAT piece of transfer in that moment and for the way they treated one of the best barça strikers ever. And as a barça supporter i can criticize that, after milions of praises and thankful i bring to my club in that season.

After saying that, Ibrahimovic is a great player, Guardiola the best manager we ever had, and Laporta one of the best presidents unless his politic bullshit.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1801 on: December 20, 2009, 04:32:23 PM »
Guardiola is the best manager you have ever had do you think? he hasn't really had a rough patch and came out on the other side yet, if Madrid were do win the title and european cup - seeing how he reacted to that would be a greater testament to his managerial qualities I think.

Just had a go on the demo on the Xbox never really been a fan of the Fifa games most admit had my first game Barca vs Man city and as soon as the commentary said these teams are match in ability I turned it off.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1802 on: December 20, 2009, 04:34:50 PM »
Guardiola is the best manager you have ever had do you think? he hasn't really had a rough patch and came out on the other side yet, if Madrid were do win the title and european cup - seeing how he reacted to that would be a greater testament to his managerial qualities I think.


Well its true that the statment of best manager we ever had is a bit hard to say in only 1 season managing, but if not now, he is in the way soon..
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1803 on: December 20, 2009, 04:35:10 PM »

I think you are a bit retarded, as i say when they swap eto'o - Ibra + 45m€ after winning the treble, it's a fuckin ridiculous transfer, and after win it all i say, the swap eto'o - Ibra + 45m€ its RIDICULOUS, i was not calling them idiots for any other reason, just for THAT piece of transfer in that moment and for the way they treated one of the best barça strikers ever. And as a barça supporter i can criticize that, after milions of praises and thankful i bring to my club in that season.

After saying that, Ibrahimovic is a great player, Guardiola the best manager we ever had, and Laporta one of the best presidents unless his politic bullshit.
Maybe you should have more faith in your managers decisions.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1804 on: December 20, 2009, 05:09:48 PM »
yeah barca fans are one of the worst bunches. takes special fans to boo and whistle rivaldo and ronaldinho after what they did for the club
There is no right and no wrong in such situations. What Barca fans did is no wrong, because what those players did is not right. Now, we tolerated their lazy, "don't give a fuck" performance for pretty long, and at some point, you have to force something to happen, otherwise, you are rotting from inside.
Both Rivaldo and Ronaldinho were one of the best paid players in the world, both achieved legendary status at Barca, not all due to their own genius, but also because they found the right club. They were loved and awarded $$$, but then, Ronaldinho turned into a fat lazy fucker, and Barca fans didn't do anything for 2 years. Rivaldo used his contract clause to leave Barca for free, what would you call that? Ronaldinho was a disruption in the dressing room, got lazy, and we just couldn't go on with him.

Anyway, you make it sound bad, but if you have a Brazilian player of that sort, the best thing is to kick them out. If the board doesn't do it, as fans, you have to do it. Remember Adriano? How long has he been drunk with Inter and how much money did he waste? Even Robinho deserves all the stick he gets from ManCity fans, if he gets any. The most expensive player who just doesn't give a fuck, earns shitloads, would you care if he carried you last season? You would say "fuck him off".

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1805 on: December 20, 2009, 05:13:08 PM »
Hahahahaha. They barely managed to do that to Pellegrini's Madrid. In fact, Madrid were really good if you watched the clasico. Give Rafa 6 months with Real to employ his system. He would rape Guardiola's pretty passing, laavly footy playing, bestest team in the universe, Barca. And you can quote me on this for life.
Man, you are fucking clueless with your statements. Where did you get the idea that Madrid will hire Benitez? Valdano described his football as "shit on a stick", he won't survive there no matter what. Winning titles won't help Rafa survive there, Capello was kicked out twice.

And Benitez might have achieved good results with Valencia, but currently, he is in deep shit.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1806 on: December 20, 2009, 05:17:09 PM »
I see that you changed your mind about Guardiola. We Barcelona fans are so lucky to have him. 6 out of 6 trophies and playing attacking entertaining football in most games. Can you ask for more?
I had doubts about his appointment at the very start, and two first games made me think he really isn't the man for the job. He was a rookie with no experience, he wanted to sell Eto'O badly and couldn't, so I thought it will hunt him down, also he got rid of many players but there were no replacements.

But after about 10 matches, I realized it was an upgrade on Rijkaard. Because we were more efficient and our football was more team game. Great manager no doubt.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1807 on: December 20, 2009, 05:26:36 PM »
Also about Ibra and Eto'O transfer. I was not OK with that transfer either, because Eto'O has been doing his job, scoring at every level, against any level team, and yet, I am to be convinced that Ibra can do it against top teams in Champions League. He has been average at best in Champions League so far, and the same he was in Club World Cup. He has been good in the league, and I am hopeful he will do the same in the Champions League, but what we did to Eto'O is just not right. The transfer was great deal for Inter, I still think.

We could have been out of Champions League in the group stage, and aside from his one goal, Ibra was a non-factor. If he is to be labeled as a good deal for Barca, as far as I am concerned, he has to do at least what Eto'O did in the Champions League and when it matters.

PS If you think we treat our players badly, go look at Brazilian league. Their fans fucking hunt their players down, beat them up, and do all sorts of shit. So Ronaldinho's and Rivaldo's of this world are very used to that, and they are not surprised, I bet.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1808 on: December 20, 2009, 06:06:42 PM »
Atletico 1-0 down to Tenerife within the first 3 minutes.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1809 on: December 20, 2009, 06:43:35 PM »
Atletico 1-0 down to Tenerife within the first 3 minutes.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1810 on: December 20, 2009, 06:48:24 PM »
Take off the blinkers mate, This Barca team is the fucking dogs bollocks. Trying to make them out to be some sort of Spanish Arsenal just makes you sound daft.
TBF, Benitez managed to beat Barca over the two legs in 2007 (Barca were battered at Anfield, despite winning 1-0). Half of the first team were there, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Puyol, Valdes. They were Champions for the previous two years as well, before handing the league to Madrid late that season.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1811 on: December 20, 2009, 07:19:09 PM »
TBF, Benitez managed to beat Barca over the two legs in 2007 (Barca were battered at Anfield, despite winning 1-0). Half of the first team were there, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Puyol, Valdes. They were Champions for the previous two years as well, before handing the league to Madrid late that season.

Aye, but in this last season they did step it up about 4 notches

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1812 on: December 20, 2009, 07:24:20 PM »
Man, you are fucking clueless with your statements. Where did you get the idea that Madrid will hire Benitez? Valdano described his football as "shit on a stick", he won't survive there no matter what. Winning titles won't help Rafa survive there, Capello was kicked out twice.

And Benitez might have achieved good results with Valencia, but currently, he is in deep shit.

T'rriffic. Totally ignored the hypothesis I presented.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1813 on: December 20, 2009, 07:26:03 PM »
Higuain, beautiful goal
When they signed, I thought Gago would be better. Fuck that, Higuin has took the piss this year..awesome forward.
He reminds of Enrico Chiesa.

Explosive over those first few yards and a fierce shot.  Always had a soft spot for Chiesa back in the day.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1814 on: December 20, 2009, 07:56:58 PM »

I think you are a bit retarded, as i say when they swap eto'o - Ibra + 45m€ after winning the treble, it's a fuckin ridiculous transfer, and after win it all i say, the swap eto'o - Ibra + 45m€ its RIDICULOUS, i was not calling them idiots for any other reason, just for THAT piece of transfer in that moment and for the way they treated one of the best barça strikers ever. And as a barça supporter i can criticize that, after milions of praises and thankful i bring to my club in that season.

After saying that, Ibrahimovic is a great player, Guardiola the best manager we ever had, and Laporta one of the best presidents unless his politic bullshit.

I'm retarded? If you think it was purely based on ability then I'm not the mentally challenged one.

It was a masterstroke by Guardiola. In that one transfer he made a massive statement to the other top players in the team; no one is expendable.

In that one transfer he kept the team wanting to win games and trophies rather than becoming complacent of their place in the team.

It wasn't idiotic at all. Surprising, maybe even shocking but the intentions, the tactical possibilities and maintaining that mental strength makes it an absolute masterstroke. Not many managers would have had the balls to sell a player of Eto'o's quality, then increase the pressure even more by paying so much for the replacement...


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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1815 on: December 20, 2009, 09:25:49 PM »
It was a masterstroke by Guardiola. In that one transfer he made a massive statement to the other top players in the team; no one is expendable.

In that one transfer he kept the team wanting to win games and trophies rather than becoming complacent of their place in the team.

It wasn't idiotic at all. Surprising, maybe even shocking but the intentions, the tactical possibilities and maintaining that mental strength makes it an absolute masterstroke. Not many managers would have had the balls to sell a player of Eto'o's quality, then increase the pressure even more by paying so much for the replacement...
Well, it's not proven to be a masterstroke yet - if Ibrahimovic fails to produce in the champions league I'm sure many wont think it is. But I agree with you on Guardiola's thinking, the example it set to the rest of the team, and the balls it took to make such decision. I have never liked Ibrahimovic very much as a player (although unlike the majority on here, I believe he's one of the most talented and best forwards in the game), but I really hope he succeds, just because I hope Guardiolas gamble pays off. I have no special affection for Barcelona as a club, but they have had many special players, Guardiola being one of them. I always enjoyed watching him play during the 90's, and hope he continiues to do well as manager.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1816 on: December 20, 2009, 10:01:35 PM »
Football is multicultural and as a such it's understood in different ways depending on the club and the country, like it or not.

Yes and not. I agree on the club, I don't think country plays a part.

Smaller clubs in Spain don't normally boo their players when they play crap. We certainly don't boo our lot (Athletic de Bilbao) when they bore us to tears and have us suffering all season, flirting with relegation.

So it does change but from club to club more than from country to country.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1817 on: December 20, 2009, 10:37:39 PM »
Yes and not. I agree on the club, I don't think country plays a part.

Smaller clubs in Spain don't normally boo their players when they play crap. We certainly don't boo our lot (Athletic de Bilbao) when they bore us to tears and have us suffering all season, flirting with relegation.

So it does change but from club to club more than from country to country.

Athletic must be the exception rather than the rule. Or is it a Basque thing? I certainly have seen many fans from small clubs booing their team. In fact that is one of the reasons chairmen are so trigger happy when it comes to sacking managers. Football fans in Spain are some of the most demanding in world football.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1818 on: December 21, 2009, 05:12:15 AM »
Looking back at players we had at Barca, I don't think Barca fans argue the legendary status of Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Deco (to a lesser extent) etc. But take Ronaldinho, he just deserved booing, because as you guys pointed out, he was damaging and harming the team at that point, remember "black sheep" stuff from Edmilson? As you said, we were knocked out of Europe by Liverpool when we had the same players that won the Champions League after a year or two. We had to kick out Ronaldinho and Deco to do that, and if fans didn't press, I am not sure whether Laporta would have sold him even if Pep asked him to sell those...

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1819 on: December 21, 2009, 01:34:44 PM »
Athletic must be the exception rather than the rule. Or is it a Basque thing? I certainly have seen many fans from small clubs booing their team. In fact that is one of the reasons chairmen are so trigger happy when it comes to sacking managers. Football fans in Spain are some of the most demanding in world football.

I've seen it happen in segunda division too. If a team has a row of bad results and doesn't manage to "play football" the fans might start booing and even cheer the rival team too. Although it has to be really bad for that to happen.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1820 on: December 21, 2009, 05:47:22 PM »
It seems a bit strange to talk down a manager who in his first year has won six out of six trophies, and talking up one who's team right now is level with the likes of Birmingham and Fulham. Guardiola had a very good foundation at Barca, but he took a team lacking belief, fight and spirit (like us right now- lets see if Rafa can turn us around), and has got them to win everything, playing better and more effective football than any other team on the planet.

Besides, Rafa would never get the Real job with Valdano in charge.

At Barcelona, they teach them the 4-3-3 system from a very young age and do an excellent job, obviously. Barca also had an excellent set of players who had the system ingrained into their heads and also had the ability to execute it like no other. When Guardiola took over, he galvanised them. Gave them belief and confidence that they could win. He absolutely inspired them and did a great job of it too. All I am saying is that with the squad they had, Barca had the potential to win the La Liga and Champions League. Guardiola or not. When Benitez won the Champions League, no one including Jamie Carragher would have thought he had the squad to do so. Benitez also won 2 La Liga's with a squad weaker than the Galactico's and triangular-passing Catalan's.

Secondly, you are comparing Barca's and Liverpool's form when one of them is going through a crisis. How about in April when both of them were among the top 3 teams in the world. What I mean is we are going through a crisis but form is temporary, class is permanent. Benitez loses neither his ability nor his achievements because of his team being 13 points behind the leader's in a league that unlike the La Liga, isn't a glorified SPL. Because lets face it, the gap between the 2 (spending power, squad et cetera) and the likes of Villareal, Valencia, Atleti and Sevilla(who are doing well as of now) is too much.

6 trophies? La Liga is pretty much back and forth between Real and Barca. Champions League they played really well but you have to wonder, one moment of brilliance by Iniesta, you take that away and Terry is lifting the trophy instead. Not saying they were undeserving mind you. The European Super Cup and World Club Cup are offshoots of winning the Champions League. Beating teams like Estudientes and Atlante is no big feat. Then there's the King's Cup and Spanish Cup. Not belittling his achievements but the Barca love-in here makes the wins out to be as hard as winning 6 Champions League despite the fact that winning the Community Shield is harder than 3-4 of them. Fantastic achievement, not denying that but the way I see it, it's like winning a 6-way parlay with 4 bankers. It's definitely harder than that, but I hope you get my point.

The final part you mention with Valdano. Who says Valdano is going to be there in the summer. As stupid as he may be, Perez will not miss a chance to sign Benitez if he is available in the Summer. Whether it means having to discard Valdano or not.

Take off the blinkers mate, This Barca team is the fucking dogs bollocks. Trying to make them out to be some sort of Spanish Arsenal just makes you sound daft.

Arsenal play beautiful football and if they spend as much as Barca, I'm sure Wenger would be able to outsmart Guardiola. You guys bought a striker for freaking 60 million (considering Eto'o's value) whereas Wenger spend only 15 million on Arshavin and that too after they had a bad season. Don't forget that they play in a much harder league and were narrowly knocked out of the Champions League by one of Europe's elite who could have been playing Barca in the semi's.

Would you all give me your predictions for the league right now please?

Real Madrid to win by 4 points.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1821 on: December 21, 2009, 06:03:12 PM »
Would you all give me your predictions for the league right now please?
Barca will be very tight though, madrid are still growing as a team you will have some expectional perfomances mixed in with some pretty bad ones as well as all the money you spent your under extreme pressure in every game. If not for this great barca side, any other period  spending 300 odd million with the players you brought would have guranteed you the league by a landslide.
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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1822 on: December 21, 2009, 06:35:42 PM »
Barca will be very tight though, madrid are still growing as a team you will have some expectional perfomances mixed in with some pretty bad ones as well as all the money you spent your under extreme pressure in every game. If not for this great barca side, any other period  spending 300 odd million with the players you brought would have guranteed you the league by a landslide.

That's what makes me optimistic. The fact Real Madrid are under construction, and have missed Cristiano Ronaldo for nearly two months but are still two points off the race at this time of the season. And then, even if Barcelona are still great, I see them more tired than last season and they don't transmit the same feelings in the way they play. On the contrary, the more I see Madrid the better vibrations they show both as an unit and individually. At Valencia they played quite well without Kaka and Ronaldo. Vs Zaragoza, without Pepe, Alonso and Kaka they controlled from begining to end defeating them 6-0. Of course as it was obvious, dropping Raul has played a major part.

Also, I read the other day that Madrid have played all of Valencia, Barcelona, Villarreal, Atletico and Sevilla away from home in the first part of the season, with Barcelona having to play all of Madrid, Villarreal, Atletico and Sevilla away from home in the last 19 games. I think that's an important factor to consider too.

If one of these teams, Madrid or Barcelona suffers from important injuries that might mean the other one wins the league, as the competition is so tight. It happened two years ago, and it also happened last season too.

In any case, the most important competition at club level this season is by far the Champions League. Always is, but especially this season. For Barcelona, because it would mean winning it at the Bernabeu after so much success of late. For Real Madrid, not only because they would be winning it in their own stadium, but also because it would be their 10th ever and of course, that would partly hide Barcelona's achievement this year.

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« Reply #1823 on: December 21, 2009, 07:40:02 PM »
At Barcelona, they teach them the 4-3-3 system from a very young age and do an excellent job, obviously. Barca also had an excellent set of players who had the system ingrained into their heads and also had the ability to execute it like no other. When Guardiola took over, he galvanised them. Gave them belief and confidence that they could win. He absolutely inspired them and did a great job of it too. All I am saying is that with the squad they had, Barca had the potential to win the La Liga and Champions League. Guardiola or not. When Benitez won the Champions League, no one including Jamie Carragher would have thought he had the squad to do so. Benitez also won 2 La Liga's with a squad weaker than the Galactico's and triangular-passing Catalan's.

Secondly, you are comparing Barca's and Liverpool's form when one of them is going through a crisis. How about in April when both of them were among the top 3 teams in the world. What I mean is we are going through a crisis but form is temporary, class is permanent. Benitez loses neither his ability nor his achievements because of his team being 13 points behind the leader's in a league that unlike the La Liga, isn't a glorified SPL. Because lets face it, the gap between the 2 (spending power, squad et cetera) and the likes of Villareal, Valencia, Atleti and Sevilla(who are doing well as of now) is too much.

6 trophies? La Liga is pretty much back and forth between Real and Barca. Champions League they played really well but you have to wonder, one moment of brilliance by Iniesta, you take that away and Terry is lifting the trophy instead. Not saying they were undeserving mind you. The European Super Cup and World Club Cup are offshoots of winning the Champions League. Beating teams like Estudientes and Atlante is no big feat. Then there's the King's Cup and Spanish Cup. Not belittling his achievements but the Barca love-in here makes the wins out to be as hard as winning 6 Champions League despite the fact that winning the Community Shield is harder than 3-4 of them. Fantastic achievement, not denying that but the way I see it, it's like winning a 6-way parlay with 4 bankers. It's definitely harder than that, but I hope you get my point.

The final part you mention with Valdano. Who says Valdano is going to be there in the summer. As stupid as he may be, Perez will not miss a chance to sign Benitez if he is available in the Summer. Whether it means having to discard Valdano or not.

Arsenal play beautiful football and if they spend as much as Barca, I'm sure Wenger would be able to outsmart Guardiola. You guys bought a striker for freaking 60 million (considering Eto'o's value) whereas Wenger spend only 15 million on Arshavin and that too after they had a bad season. Don't forget that they play in a much harder league and were narrowly knocked out of the Champions League by one of Europe's elite who could have been playing Barca in the semi's.

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he would have had a chance to lift the trophy, it wasn't a certainty at all as manchester united were in great form going into the final against chelsea

The deal involving Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Zlatan for €46 million and the exchange of Eto'o (valued at €20 million) made Ibrahimovic worth €66 million) was bad buisness but i can't really call it a bad buy because Zlatan is a top striker. the bad buisness side of it was the transfer was 66 million euro including Samuel Eto'o and it's fair to say that doesn't look a good deal from barcelona's point of view as the difference in players isn't much. arshavin was a great deal at 15 million and overall wenger is very good in the transfer market, but Guardiola shouldn't be made out to be bad in the transfer market as he's not. He's brought in a number of good players since he took over in Zlatan, Dani Alves, Pique, Keita and Maxwell. He's also brought through a couple youth players on his own accord in pedro and busquets who are now first team members so his judgement on players shouldn't be questioned imo.

Guardiola inherited a group of players who although talented haven't won a trophy for three years and added to that group of players and turned them into winners of 6 trophies in a single calendar year and for that along with the players he deserves alot of credit and praise for his management and tactical nous

In the past two years three players for me have really shone for barcelona an thats iniesta, pique and messi (don't need to mention xavi as he's been shining for barcelona for years) them three players have come on a hell of alot over the past two years and for me Guardiola has been a main reason behind that, his training methods at barcelona have been getting rave reviews inside football but more so than that to me it seems the players really don't want to let him down and thats a quality only top managers have and it makes the players strive to get the best out of themselves which for me iniesta, pique and messi are doing at the moment. Messi was already a outstanding player but in the past two years he's progressed to become the best player in the world under Guardiola

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1824 on: December 21, 2009, 07:46:36 PM »
At Barcelona, they teach them the 4-3-3 system from a very young age and do an excellent job, obviously. Barca also had an excellent set of players who had the system ingrained into their heads and also had the ability to execute it like no other. When Guardiola took over, he galvanised them. Gave them belief and confidence that they could win. He absolutely inspired them and did a great job of it too. All I am saying is that with the squad they had, Barca had the potential to win the La Liga and Champions League. Guardiola or not. When Benitez won the Champions League, no one including Jamie Carragher would have thought he had the squad to do so. Benitez also won 2 La Liga's with a squad weaker than the Galactico's and triangular-passing Catalan's.

Secondly, you are comparing Barca's and Liverpool's form when one of them is going through a crisis. How about in April when both of them were among the top 3 teams in the world. What I mean is we are going through a crisis but form is temporary, class is permanent. Benitez loses neither his ability nor his achievements because of his team being 13 points behind the leader's in a league that unlike the La Liga, isn't a glorified SPL. Because lets face it, the gap between the 2 (spending power, squad et cetera) and the likes of Villareal, Valencia, Atleti and Sevilla(who are doing well as of now) is too much.

6 trophies? La Liga is pretty much back and forth between Real and Barca. Champions League they played really well but you have to wonder, one moment of brilliance by Iniesta, you take that away and Terry is lifting the trophy instead. Not saying they were undeserving mind you. The European Super Cup and World Club Cup are offshoots of winning the Champions League. Beating teams like Estudientes and Atlante is no big feat. Then there's the King's Cup and Spanish Cup. Not belittling his achievements but the Barca love-in here makes the wins out to be as hard as winning 6 Champions League despite the fact that winning the Community Shield is harder than 3-4 of them. Fantastic achievement, not denying that but the way I see it, it's like winning a 6-way parlay with 4 bankers. It's definitely harder than that, but I hope you get my point.

The final part you mention with Valdano. Who says Valdano is going to be there in the summer. As stupid as he may be, Perez will not miss a chance to sign Benitez if he is available in the Summer. Whether it means having to discard Valdano or not.

Arsenal play beautiful football and if they spend as much as Barca, I'm sure Wenger would be able to outsmart Guardiola. You guys bought a striker for freaking 60 million (considering Eto'o's value) whereas Wenger spend only 15 million on Arshavin and that too after they had a bad season. Don't forget that they play in a much harder league and were narrowly knocked out of the Champions League by one of Europe's elite who could have been playing Barca in the semi's.

Real Madrid to win by 4 points.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1825 on: December 21, 2009, 07:56:21 PM »
:lmao

Winning six titles in a year can make any fan a bit of a prick. Enjoy the good times while they last man, football is all about cycles and Barca is on a high. But don't laugh at us on our forums because we are having a bit of a hard time.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1826 on: December 21, 2009, 07:59:04 PM »
Barca will lose their title to Madrid this year, both domestic and european.  As long as Ronaldo is fit.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1827 on: December 21, 2009, 08:46:41 PM »
Barca will lose their title to Madrid this year, both domestic and european.  As long as Ronaldo is fit.

I doubt it. Barca are still better than them

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1828 on: December 21, 2009, 08:52:44 PM »
Barca will lose their title to Madrid this year, both domestic and european.  As long as Ronaldo is fit.

doubt it myself .

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1829 on: December 21, 2009, 09:22:39 PM »
Winning six titles in a year can make any fan a bit of a prick. Enjoy the good times while they last man, football is all about cycles and Barca is on a high. But don't laugh at us on our forums because we are having a bit of a hard time.
WTF are you on about man? Did you read that guys post?

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1830 on: December 21, 2009, 09:39:23 PM »
WTF are you on about man? Did you read that guys post?

Learn to empathize a little, we all agree that Barca has been playing some brilliant football for a couple of years now, and that Pep is doing a great job. I did read his post and it felt as if he was writing more out of his love for LFC and some of his points did make some sense, if not all. Your response, however, smacked of arrogance. The problem started with the following post of yours:

Pep is tactical genius, because he is winning. Simple as. You don't have to come up with weird strategy, or a crazy formation like 3-3-4 or whatever, he is winning. He is winning while blooding youngsters like Busquets, Pedro, Bojan, Dos Santos, Pique and Jeffren. He isn't merely buying accomplished players and putting them in a formation, like Rafa Benitez. Let's see what Rafa Benitez has done - he couldn't bring in ONE player from Liverpool's academy for 5 years, while Pep brought in at least 3 in one year. Were they ready or was it easy? No, but his tactical genius is so high that he could do it.

These days, in order to be considered a good manager or a tactical genius, you have to grind out a catenaccio style shite 1-0 win against the run of play, which Benitez did couple of times. Fair enough, it takes genius to do that with inferior squad. But it is also a genius work if your team wins everything, playing attacking football and scoring shitloads.

And also, Rijkaard is a top manager as well. Ask Galatasaray fans, they seem to be doing well with them as well. And why wouldn't you ask a Barca supporter if we want Rafa Benitez or Rijkaard or Pep? Benitez will be last choice every time, even if he is THE genius in the world. Because his "tactically genius" approach would mean we will not be attacking as much. Rafa never will play this football with his team, even if he had our squad.

There was no need to compare Pep and Rafa, but you did anyway. Your statement that "grind(ing) out a catenaccio style shite 1-0 win against the run of play, which Benitez did couple of times" is what I am on about.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1831 on: December 21, 2009, 09:59:22 PM »
Learn to empathize a little, we all agree that Barca has been playing some brilliant football for a couple of years now, and that Pep is doing a great job. I did read his post and it felt as if he was writing more out of his love for LFC and some of his points did make some sense, if not all. Your response, however, smacked of arrogance. The problem started with the following post of yours:

There was no need to compare Pep and Rafa, but you did anyway. Your statement that "grind(ing) out a catenaccio style shite 1-0 win against the run of play, which Benitez did couple of times" is what I am on about.
But I was only responding to a statement that anybody could win titles with our squad and Pep is not a tactical genius like Rafa, or whoever. Also, I asked the person to give me names of tactically genius managers who play attacking football, to which I didn't get any response as of yet. Yes, it is unsubstantiated bollocks I keep hearing about how "<insert name here> plays game like a chess, his team is a machine, he organizes team, so tight at the back and that is why he is soooo good tactically". Is that a prerequisite for tactical brilliance? Can you play attacking football and be good tactically?

And I laughed at his post because it is full of bitterness. He is bitter about Barca, about La Liga as a league and its teams and the post is ridiculous in all senses. So if you find it too arrogant to laugh at it, I can't do anything really.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1832 on: December 21, 2009, 10:13:01 PM »
But I was only responding to a statement that anybody could win titles with our squad and Pep is not a tactical genius like Rafa, or whoever. Also, I asked the person to give me names of tactically genius managers who play attacking football, to which I didn't get any response as of yet. Yes, it is unsubstantiated bollocks I keep hearing about how "<insert name here> plays game like a chess, his team is a machine, he organizes team, so tight at the back and that is why he is soooo good tactically". Is that a prerequisite for tactical brilliance? Can you play attacking football and be good tactically?

And I laughed at his post because it is full of bitterness. He is bitter about Barca, about La Liga as a league and its teams and the post is ridiculous in all senses. So if you find it too arrogant to laugh at it, I can't do anything really.

It is about perspective isn't it. You like Barca, your team plays in La Liga, the manager is an ex-Barca player, and your team is doing great. The bitterness of a Liverpool fan is expected because we are down on our knees and some of us are praying because we fear for the future of our team.

Rijkaard wasn't a chump when it came to tactics, bringing on Belletti in the 2006 Final was a good move if you ask me and a bit unexpected. To say any manager will do the same (as Pep) with the current Barca team is highly presumptuous, similarly, is Pep better then Rafa is similarly load of bull because they are two managers in completely different situations, two different leagues, two different structures, two different stadiums and two different academies. Barca can turn Mascherano's head, Liverpool cannot do the same, Barca can tap up Fabregas, Liverpool cannot even tap up Gareth fucking Barry. You see my point?

Valdano claims Liverpool plays like 'shit on a stick', and you implied the same. Like I said, it seems a little patronizing.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1833 on: December 21, 2009, 10:23:35 PM »
Valdano claims Liverpool plays like 'shit on a stick', and you implied the same. Like I said, it seems a little patronizing.

Funny that I never got to know that Valdano tried to apologize for that article a week after it was released...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/19/seven-deadly-sins-football-liverpool-champions-league-valdano

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1834 on: December 21, 2009, 10:34:27 PM »
Funny that I never got to know that Valdano tried to apologize for that article a week after it was released...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/19/seven-deadly-sins-football-liverpool-champions-league-valdano

But we are not nearly arguing about Valdano's comment. I had a bit of an issue with Xxavi's comments.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1835 on: December 21, 2009, 10:40:42 PM »
Funny that I never got to know that Valdano tried to apologize for that article a week after it was released...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/19/seven-deadly-sins-football-liverpool-champions-league-valdano

Wasn't he the one who also said they'd beat us 3-0 in Madrid and 2-1 at Anfield last season in the CL?

Don't worry about that one Valdano, no apology required.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1836 on: December 21, 2009, 10:41:07 PM »
But we are not nearly arguing about Valdano's comment. I had a bit of an issue with Xxavi's comments.
I know, it was blatantly off topic.


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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1837 on: December 22, 2009, 12:10:46 AM »
It is about perspective isn't it. You like Barca, your team plays in La Liga, the manager is an ex-Barca player, and your team is doing great. The bitterness of a Liverpool fan is expected because we are down on our knees and some of us are praying because we fear for the future of our team.

Rijkaard wasn't a chump when it came to tactics, bringing on Belletti in the 2006 Final was a good move if you ask me and a bit unexpected. To say any manager will do the same (as Pep) with the current Barca team is highly presumptuous, similarly, is Pep better then Rafa is similarly load of bull because they are two managers in completely different situations, two different leagues, two different structures, two different stadiums and two different academies. Barca can turn Mascherano's head, Liverpool cannot do the same, Barca can tap up Fabregas, Liverpool cannot even tap up Gareth fucking Barry. You see my point?

Valdano claims Liverpool plays like 'shit on a stick', and you implied the same. Like I said, it seems a little patronizing.
I don't think my answer to that fan should equate as an answer or statement to all Liverpool fans. Why should it? Do all Liverpool fans think that current Barca could win with ANY manager? Do they all think Pep as tactically not good?

I am not directly comparing Pep to Rafa, probably you cannot compare two players/managers completely fairly, because they will have different achievements in different conditions. But for me both Rijkaard and Guardiola are tactically brilliant managers. I gave other examples too, Hiddink, Mourinho, Benitez, Capello, Wenger, Ferguson etc. all are.

And no, I don't understand why Liverpool fans have to be bitter either. You or him might be bitter, but as far as I see, there are plenty on here who are perfectly fine with Barca and Pep and aren't bitter one bit. I don't have a problem with Rafa Benitez or his footballing philosophy, but I don't see how can you say at this point in time that he would demolish Guardiola and his Barca or just he is better tactically. Right now, Rafa Benitez, let's be fair, is on his arse and in deep shit. If Inter Milan was in current Liverpool situation, most of you on here would be laughing at "the special one" and calling him overrated. Benitez is a young manager and he has plenty of time to win trophies, but why oh why there's need to praise him at the expense of Guardiola right now? Its very bad timing for Rafa currently.

PS As for Valdano's comment, yes, to a degree I agree with him. I don't expect you as a Liverpool fan to agree with Valdano, but Rafa had fucking years to build his team and buy attacking players, yet he doesn't and he never will do. You complain about lack of money, but teams like Villarreal and Sevilla, if I am to give examples from Spanish league, operate on much smaller budgets and play more attacking team. Rafa Benitez had chances to buy some decent attackers and set up attacking team, but he will not betray his footballing philosophy. It looks good and machine-like if there are right players, like in Valencia or Liverpool at times last season, but his ideas are clear, and it is not attacking football.
Anyway, my comment reminding Valdano's thoughts about Benitez was as an answer to the statement that Madrid would (could? should?) hire Rafa and he would show Barca their place. My point is, Valdano and Perez will not hire him, because they think Rafa is not playing anything that they want to see.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1838 on: December 22, 2009, 12:17:24 AM »
But I was only responding to a statement that anybody could win titles with our squad and Pep is not a tactical genius like Rafa, or whoever. Also, I asked the person to give me names of tactically genius managers who play attacking football, to which I didn't get any response as of yet. Yes, it is unsubstantiated bollocks I keep hearing about how "<insert name here> plays game like a chess, his team is a machine, he organizes team, so tight at the back and that is why he is soooo good tactically". Is that a prerequisite for tactical brilliance? Can you play attacking football and be good tactically?

And I laughed at his post because it is full of bitterness. He is bitter about Barca, about La Liga as a league and its teams and the post is ridiculous in all senses. So if you find it too arrogant to laugh at it, I can't do anything really.

Guardiola is a good tactician, the Champions League final was a great example especially the off the ball pressing of Messi and moving him more central.

But I'm one fo those in the camp where you can be a very good manager if you build a team once, you're a great manager if you can do it twice.
I'd love to see Guardiola with constraints, at the minute it's all a bit fantasy football same as Real - with the large sums of money and excellent youth academy you do have to wonder if he could pull off a similar feat at Roma, Liverpool, Ajax, etc. and still retain his attacking flair.

He's a very good tactician but he has inherited the players that allow him to impose a perfect philosophy whereas the other managers mentioned don't and have to fill deficiencies in ways which are of a detriment to an ideal vision of 20-0 football.

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Re: La Liga 09/10
« Reply #1839 on: December 22, 2009, 12:38:00 AM »
Guardiola is a good tactician, the Champions League final was a great example especially the off the ball pressing of Messi and moving him more central.

But I'm one fo those in the camp where you can be a very good manager if you build a team once, you're a great manager if you can do it twice.
I'd love to see Guardiola with constraints, at the minute it's all a bit fantasy football same as Real - with the large sums of money and excellent youth academy you do have to wonder if he could pull off a similar feat at Roma, Liverpool, Ajax, etc. and still retain his attacking flair.

He's a very good tactician but he has inherited the players that allow him to impose a perfect philosophy whereas the other managers mentioned don't and have to fill deficiencies in ways which are of a detriment to an ideal vision of 20-0 football.
I concur, he did not deserve tags like "best ever" or anything of that sort. But current achievements are impressive so far, and can be described as world class, at least world class season and half, if you can use that term to a manager. In terms of everything, motivation, tactics, substitutions, changes in past 1.5 years.

Hopefully, he will continue doing this, but no guarantee.

PS I don't want a long debate re Benitez. I think he is a top manager, one of the best at getting right results, somewhat similar to Capello. But he has fair share of mistakes, be it tactically or other coaching/managing aspect, IMO. And currently, he has his hands full in English Premier League.