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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3920 on: August 23, 2009, 06:54:41 PM »
We best the Aussies, and they beat SA.

Thus we are best.

Thats a massive call..

SA beat us Aussies in Australia, Aussies beat SA in SA, Poms beat Aussies in England.

Go to SA or Australia and win and then i'll agree.... But for now i would say SA are clearly the best team in the World


Anyway. Credit to you pommy bastards!  ;) deserved it over the 5 matches...

Pointing and the rest of team will be happy over there for the One Dayers and not coming home so soon..  ;D


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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3921 on: August 23, 2009, 06:54:47 PM »
Something shiny with tassels on..... and handles...Biiiiig fuck off handles and maybe some lights something a bit more snazzier than that...thing.
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3922 on: August 23, 2009, 06:57:03 PM »
I'd have to say England.  They just proved it.

Congratulations to England, but they are no way near being the best team in the world.

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3923 on: August 23, 2009, 06:57:19 PM »
you make it sound like the whole event hung on the toss of a coin, you saggy arsed spaz.  :P

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3924 on: August 23, 2009, 06:57:45 PM »
England's batting averages

Trott 80 (1 test)
Strauss 52.6 (great stuff)
KP 38 (2 tests)
Swann  :o 35.5

No bowler had an average below 30.

How the hell did they win that series??
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3925 on: August 23, 2009, 07:02:16 PM »
Ahhhh it's a damn fine feeling is that.  :D We should be looking forward to a 6th test now, but instead we'll have 11 or 12 or whatever one dayers. Please please please let's sort that out.

Too much to talk about but one thing stuck out in the post match interviews... Broad taking over from Freddie. He's not going to take over from Freddie, we're going to have TWO all-rounders... Broad and Rashid at 7&8. Ponting excellent today aswell I thought.

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3926 on: August 23, 2009, 07:24:39 PM »
I'm made up!!! Well in lads! Done England proud!!


Made me laugh watching them celebrate and throwing the Ashes urn around!!




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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3927 on: August 23, 2009, 07:25:51 PM »
Is it MBE's all round then? ;)

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3928 on: August 23, 2009, 07:28:11 PM »
Is it MBE's all round then? ;)

Open top bus around London at some point probably.
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3929 on: August 23, 2009, 07:36:53 PM »
Great stuff that. So happy I got to see a small part of it in Cardiff. Look forward to seeing Freddie falling out of the hotel still drunk tomorrow morning :D

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3930 on: August 23, 2009, 07:38:36 PM »
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3931 on: August 23, 2009, 07:39:17 PM »
watching the highlights again on channel 5 and freddie changed the whole game with one piece of brilliant fielding!
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3932 on: August 23, 2009, 07:49:54 PM »
Fred after getting the champagne moment on TMS...

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3933 on: August 23, 2009, 07:55:01 PM »
England's batting averages

Trott 80 (1 test)
Strauss 52.6 (great stuff)
KP 38 (2 tests)
Swann  :o 35.5

No bowler had an average below 30.

How the hell did they win that series??

As Harmisson said, it's like a football team having 70% possesion and loosing 1-0... it's all about what you do at key times....  England did it when it mattered... to win a test you need to take 20 wickets which the aussies could only do once in five attempts....

The big test will be in SA in the winter... to beat the best team in their back yard will be a huge ask....

but anyway, loving today. Well done ENGLAND!!!!
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3934 on: August 23, 2009, 07:55:12 PM »
We best the Aussies, and they beat SA.

Thus we are best.


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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3935 on: August 23, 2009, 07:57:24 PM »
watching the highlights again on channel 5 and freddie changed the whole game with one piece of brilliant fielding!

Great bit a fielding, but ponting should have made that ground.... ball watching when he should of been running....
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3936 on: August 23, 2009, 08:00:15 PM »
Well done to England, they won the 2 games to 1 which is all that counts. Flintoff got the sendoff he deserved, been a huge presence for the English team.

When I think about this series, as a whole, it was probably one of the worst I've ever sat through, and only the mystical allure of "The Ashes" and Flintoff's last series kept me from switching off at times. The level of the cricket, for a majority of the entire series was like I dunno..New Zealand vs Pakistan. Poor batting, poor bowling, and at times poor fielding. It certainly didn't help that the umpires consistently made questionable decisions; for both sides. No doubt be a lot of talk about how umpires need some help out there, there were certainly a great many decisions that the average viewer thought "hrmm" to. I'm not saying they swayed the result one way or the other, simply that they made a lot of mistakes.

Based solely on the statistics, you can't say England really deserved to win the ashes, but then again, the way Australia performed they certainly didn't deserve to either. If I were the urn I'd just say fuck you both, i'm off to live in my cottage in the mountains for a couple of years till the next series, as you were both rubbish. Yes, you could call it a "thrilling contest", but only because both teams were so incredibly poor for so long, and whenever they played to their maximum potential, which was rarely, we got a result.

In the end it came down to the individuals and the brilliant performances they gave when it mattered most, and in the end, England just had a couple more than Australia. Broad and Flintoff have been the standouts, while for Australia only Michael Clarke can really hold his head high, although Hilfenhaus performed admirably; considering his position at the start of the series. A lot of players from both teams were absolute shite, and I think the victory will save a few of the English lads from being dropped, but the Australian media, while isn't as knee-jerking as the English, will probably be out for blood. I'd expect Hussey in particular to come under fire, despite his last knock there, alot of people will question why Stuart Clarke wasn't brought in sooner, what about Lee...where was the Johnson from SA, etc etc.

Think anyone who believes England are all of a sudden world-beaters is extremely naive. This is still an Australian team rebuilding, trying to figure some things out, and obviously England were spurred on by Freddies announcement. But realistically, although these teams are still probably in the top half-dozen cricketing test nations right now, neither is anywhere near the consistency required to beat the top 2.

Funny times. Use to be all about Australia and England. Now it's about the money and the power the likes of India have, with the IPL and the like captivating the crowds.
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3937 on: August 23, 2009, 08:05:23 PM »
Well done to England, they won the 2 games to 1 which is all that counts. Flintoff got the sendoff he deserved, been a huge presence for the English team.

When I think about this series, as a whole, it was probably one of the worst I've ever sat through, and only the mystical allure of "The Ashes" and Flintoff's last series kept me from switching off at times. The level of the cricket, for a majority of the entire series was like I dunno..New Zealand vs Pakistan. Poor batting, poor bowling, and at times poor fielding. It certainly didn't help that the umpires consistently made questionable decisions; for both sides. No doubt be a lot of talk about how umpires need some help out there, there were certainly a great many decisions that the average viewer thought "hrmm" to. I'm not saying they swayed the result one way or the other, simply that they made a lot of mistakes.

Based solely on the statistics, you can't say England really deserved to win the ashes, but then again, the way Australia performed they certainly didn't deserve to either. If I were the urn I'd just say fuck you both, i'm off to live in my cottage in the mountains for a couple of years till the next series, as you were both rubbish. Yes, you could call it a "thrilling contest", but only because both teams were so incredibly poor for so long, and whenever they played to their maximum potential, which was rarely, we got a result.

In the end it came down to the individuals and the brilliant performances they gave when it mattered most, and in the end, England just had a couple more than Australia. Broad and Flintoff have been the standouts, while for Australia only Michael Clarke can really hold his head high, although Hilfenhaus performed admirably; considering his position at the start of the series. A lot of players from both teams were absolute shite, and I think the victory will save a few of the English lads from being dropped, but the Australian media, while isn't as knee-jerking as the English, will probably be out for blood. I'd expect Hussey in particular to come under fire, despite his last knock there, alot of people will question why Stuart Clarke wasn't brought in sooner, what about Lee...where was the Johnson from SA, etc etc.

Think anyone who believes England are all of a sudden world-beaters is extremely naive. This is still an Australian team rebuilding, trying to figure some things out, and obviously England were spurred on by Freddies announcement. But realistically, although these teams are still probably in the top half-dozen cricketing test nations right now, neither is anywhere near the consistency required to beat the top 2.

Funny times. Use to be all about Australia and England. Now it's about the money and the power the likes of India have, with the EPL and the like captivating the crowds.

Oi you.. you're talking to much sense!!!!!  Just wallow in the victory and analyse when the hangover wears off!!!

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3938 on: August 23, 2009, 08:09:52 PM »
Oi you.. you're talking to much sense!!!!!  Just wallow in the victory and analyse when the hangover wears off!!!

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Except the bit about India and the English Premier League. ;D
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3939 on: August 23, 2009, 08:19:05 PM »
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Pietersen
Trott
Prior
Rashid
Broad
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That's a decent young spine to build around.  If Cook could work out his technical issues then he should come back in.  He needs more than just time in the middle for Essex though, I think he needs to do some serious work on fixing the issue with his front leg.  If he could get that sorted he'd be able to kick on from good player, to a possible great player.  If they think Bopara is the long term future at 3, then bring him back and give him time to work out international cricket. 

Then the question of the seam attack.....I think it's time to say goodbye to Harmison, and Sidebottom's injury issues are such I don't think we can invest in him as a longterm member of the side.  Anderson needs to find something in his armoury for when the ball isn't swinging everywhere....if he could just bowl more economically when there's no movement, I think that'd help the side a lot.  I quite like the look of Onions, and obviously there's Swann/Panesar if we need extra spin options.  But with Flintoff gone we're definitely short of a world class bowler....We need to find someone quick, young, deadly accurate, can bat a bit, able to bowl long spells, good bounce, able to bowl yorkers and with an ability to break partnerships.....anyone know a player like that??
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3940 on: August 23, 2009, 08:34:17 PM »
Except the bit about India and the English Premier League. ;D

Oh fuck I meant IPL. haha. Football seasons on the brain!
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3941 on: August 23, 2009, 08:36:57 PM »
just a nice simple comment about the aussies from Boycott regarding the run outs.  "You clowns" ;D
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3942 on: August 23, 2009, 08:47:39 PM »
Fantastic day folks. Congrats to the Aussies for battling it out like that, especially Ponting (who everybody secretly loves).

I watched the last two sessions in Regents Park where they had to close the gates in the afternoon. There must have been 15-20,000 watching the big screen by the end. Almost felt like you were at the Oval.

Filler's right. Should be preparing for the 6th Test now not the one-dayers. In fact Lily Allen had the best idea of the summer when she said on TMS that we need a 9-match series. Then OT, Durham and Trent Bridge wouldn't need to miss out. We also need a bigger stadium. It was painful having to cycle past the Oval today knowing how our group had applied for grand total of 20 tickets (over two three days) and got zip.

We won in the end because our bowling attack is more varied than the Aussies.

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3943 on: August 23, 2009, 08:50:36 PM »
?
Strauss
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Trott
Prior
Rashid
Broad
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That's a decent young spine to build around.  If Cook could work out his technical issues then he should come back in.  He needs more than just time in the middle for Essex though, I think he needs to do some serious work on fixing the issue with his front leg.  If he could get that sorted he'd be able to kick on from good player, to a possible great player.  If they think Bopara is the long term future at 3, then bring him back and give him time to work out international cricket. 

Then the question of the seam attack.....I think it's time to say goodbye to Harmison, and Sidebottom's injury issues are such I don't think we can invest in him as a longterm member of the side.  Anderson needs to find something in his armoury for when the ball isn't swinging everywhere....if he could just bowl more economically when there's no movement, I think that'd help the side a lot.  I quite like the look of Onions, and obviously there's Swann/Panesar if we need extra spin options.  But with Flintoff gone we're definitely short of a world class bowler....We need to find someone quick, young, deadly accurate, can bat a bit, able to bowl long spells, good bounce, able to bowl yorkers and with an ability to break partnerships.....anyone know a player like that??

I think Cook is a shoe in, as are Andersen and Swann at the moment ahead of Rashid, although I am looking forward to them both on the sub-continent.

In the short term it is just an extra bowler and a no 3 we need. No idea who will fill those two spots.
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3944 on: August 23, 2009, 09:10:09 PM »
England won the series because they had batting all the way down to number 9.  Can't remember that of a recent England side.
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3945 on: August 23, 2009, 09:12:48 PM »
Well done to England, they won the 2 games to 1 which is all that counts. Flintoff got the sendoff he deserved, been a huge presence for the English team.

When I think about this series, as a whole, it was probably one of the worst I've ever sat through, and only the mystical allure of "The Ashes" and Flintoff's last series kept me from switching off at times. The level of the cricket, for a majority of the entire series was like I dunno..New Zealand vs Pakistan. Poor batting, poor bowling, and at times poor fielding. It certainly didn't help that the umpires consistently made questionable decisions; for both sides. No doubt be a lot of talk about how umpires need some help out there, there were certainly a great many decisions that the average viewer thought "hrmm" to. I'm not saying they swayed the result one way or the other, simply that they made a lot of mistakes.

Based solely on the statistics, you can't say England really deserved to win the ashes, but then again, the way Australia performed they certainly didn't deserve to either. If I were the urn I'd just say fuck you both, i'm off to live in my cottage in the mountains for a couple of years till the next series, as you were both rubbish. Yes, you could call it a "thrilling contest", but only because both teams were so incredibly poor for so long, and whenever they played to their maximum potential, which was rarely, we got a result.

In the end it came down to the individuals and the brilliant performances they gave when it mattered most, and in the end, England just had a couple more than Australia. Broad and Flintoff have been the standouts, while for Australia only Michael Clarke can really hold his head high, although Hilfenhaus performed admirably; considering his position at the start of the series. A lot of players from both teams were absolute shite, and I think the victory will save a few of the English lads from being dropped, but the Australian media, while isn't as knee-jerking as the English, will probably be out for blood. I'd expect Hussey in particular to come under fire, despite his last knock there, alot of people will question why Stuart Clarke wasn't brought in sooner, what about Lee...where was the Johnson from SA, etc etc.

Think anyone who believes England are all of a sudden world-beaters is extremely naive. This is still an Australian team rebuilding, trying to figure some things out, and obviously England were spurred on by Freddies announcement. But realistically, although these teams are still probably in the top half-dozen cricketing test nations right now, neither is anywhere near the consistency required to beat the top 2.

Funny times. Use to be all about Australia and England. Now it's about the money and the power the likes of India have, with the IPL and the like captivating the crowds.

Who would you rather beat though, Everton or Arsenal?

India are just a good team, there is no higher meaning to it than that.
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3946 on: August 23, 2009, 09:36:07 PM »
England won the series because they had batting all the way down to number 9.  Can't remember that of a recent England side.
thats bollocks
if yer think in a 5 test series only 2 hundreds (1 from a debutante) means they had batting. they won this in spite of their batting. 2 great bowling sessions from us an 1 from the bastards was the reality of the series.
2 average sides, however this series we have come out less average than them.

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3947 on: August 23, 2009, 09:39:18 PM »
Based solely on the statistics, you can't say England really deserved to win the ashes ...

Well the most important stat (as you say) is England 2 wins, Australia 1 win.

But you can go further.

England's victories were much more convincing than Australia's: by 115 and 197 - count them one-nine-seven - runs, compared to by 80 runs for the Aussies.

ie it would take 4 of Oz's puny 80 run wins to match England's 312 aggregate.



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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3948 on: August 23, 2009, 09:40:52 PM »
thats bollocks
if yer think in a 5 test series only 2 hundreds (1 from a debutante) means they had batting. they won this in spite of their batting. 2 great bowling sessions from us an 1 from the bastards was the reality of the series.
2 average sides, however this series we have come out less average than them.


I think you are both right. The top 5 has been a joke and we have not batted well.

However, Swann/Broad and at times Jimmy have done really well down the bottom and it's telling that 6,8,9 are in the top run getters for the side.

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3949 on: August 23, 2009, 09:41:56 PM »
Well the most important stat (as you say) is England 2 wins, Australia 1 win.

But you can go further.

England's victories were much more convincing than Australia's: by 115 and 197 - count them one-nine-seven - runs, compared to by 80 runs for the Aussies.

ie it would take 4 of Oz's puny 80 run wins to match England's 312 aggregate.



The Aussies was an innings and 80 runs wasn't it ?

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3950 on: August 23, 2009, 09:47:07 PM »
The Aussies was an innings and 80 runs wasn't it ?

Oh, yeah.

You may have a point there :D


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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3951 on: August 23, 2009, 10:03:14 PM »
thats bollocks

Nah, I'm with Nas there.

There were times when our 7-8-9 showed 3-4-5 how to bat. For years England simply folded their tents after the keeper was out at 7. But Broad and Swann, especially, got runs. Quick runs too. And I still feel that their swashbuckling at Headingley on the Sunday gave us something to take into the Oval Test.

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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3952 on: August 23, 2009, 10:09:36 PM »
aint disagreeing that the tail wagged, but to say we batted to 9 is wrong.
as bear says, 2345 batted like fukin schoolboys against decent bowlers.
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Re: Ashes 2009
« Reply #3953 on: August 23, 2009, 10:10:04 PM »
However, Swann/Broad and at times Jimmy have done really well down the bottom and it's telling that 6,8,9 are in the top run getters for the side.

If we'd been playing the Aussies or the Saffas and their lower order had played so well, we'd be hailing their grit and bemoaning the fact that our boys collapse too easily.

Bell, Bopara and Colly didnt do well, and were the weak links in our chain.  But at least we had other guys to step up and cover their backs.

The weak links in the Aussie team were weaker, and there was no-one to make up for it.



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« Reply #3954 on: August 23, 2009, 10:17:20 PM »
there was only really the headingly first innings where the england tail failed to add runs.  All other innings they played they managed a sizeable number of runs.

Englands lower order run stats

Swann 249 (avg 35.57)
Broad 234 (29.25)
Anderson 99 (16.5)
Flintoff 200 (33.33)
Onions 19 (9.5)
Panesar 11 (11)(although we know he'll never be a batter)
Harmison 31 (31)
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« Reply #3955 on: August 23, 2009, 10:19:52 PM »

When is the next series, btw.  I imagine we'll lose 5-0, so I'm wondering how long we are gonna be Ashes holders.

(It's a bit like Everton being bottom.  It's 'kin brilliant, but you know it wont last  :P )



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« Reply #3956 on: August 23, 2009, 10:38:13 PM »
whats the betting an is it worth a dabble on punter not being the captain next time we meet ?
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« Reply #3957 on: August 23, 2009, 10:44:56 PM »
Forget the stats, we outplayed the Aussies in 3 of the 5 tests and deserved the win.

I remember when we won in 2005, after all the celebrating there was this horrible feeling that we were going to head down under and get our arses handed to us the following year.  And so it came to pass.

This time I don't have that horrible sinking feeling, I think the Aussies need to do some serious work in the next year or so to get off the downward spiral they're on.

Mind you, it's not all rosey for England either.  I hope Bopara can head back to Essex and get his form back, in the meantime I would try Cook at no 3 and bring in Key as an opener at least for a while.  I'd leave the bowlers as they are, save for dropping Harmison and keeping Onions round the team, to give us some control.  Rashid is the future, but he'll have a job ketting into the team while Swann is getting wickets and batting well.  Hopefully he'll get a shout in SA.

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« Reply #3958 on: August 23, 2009, 10:49:54 PM »
I hope Bopara can head back to Essex and get his form back,

he's started off quite well with a double ton.
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« Reply #3959 on: August 23, 2009, 10:53:27 PM »
he's started off quite well with a double ton.

Followed by 8 ;)