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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1120 on: May 7, 2012, 02:16:00 PM »
It was a poor season by his incredibly high standards.

But I'm sure he will be back to his best next season.

You don't win the amount of golden gloves he did by being a poor keeper.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1121 on: May 7, 2012, 02:19:51 PM »
It was a poor season by his incredibly high standards.

But I'm sure he will be back to his best next season.

You don't win the amount of golden gloves he did by being a poor keeper.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1122 on: May 7, 2012, 02:32:11 PM »
Best in the world IMO before the last couple of seasons. He barely made a mistake for 2 or 3 years, but he has been suspect for a while now. I couldn't pretend to know anything about the effect a coach has on a top keeper but it just seems too convenient to lay the blame solely on losing Valero. I certainly don't think he should be sold as he's still fairly young for a keeper and has plenty of time to get his form back, he's a brilliant bloke who must be great for the dressing room and we'd be idiotic to just shift him. But we really need to sort this out, something's gone wrong somewhere and we have to fix it other wise he'll become another in a long line of players we've had who's talents have been wasted.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1123 on: May 7, 2012, 03:08:48 PM »
So few people actually understand what goalkeepers do in training, it is a constant process of working on technique and refining the way they deal with certain situations. My lad has had seven or eight different coaches in 6 years and each one will have a different perspective on everything from hand position when getting set, to techniques for 1:1's and all other aspects.

Pepe has a very particular style, one my son has followed and different coaches differ on the pros and cons of this. Pepe used to drop one knee to form a barrier when dealing with 1:1's however this has changed recently, to in my opinion a less successful one. Pepe is one of the few keepers to employ an effective side volley, which can be accurate but is far more difficult to master.

To say keepers should just remember what they have learnt, however tongue in cheek is being too simplistic and not fully understanding of how much work keepers constantly do with their coaches.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1124 on: May 7, 2012, 06:48:54 PM »
Are you kidding me?! Ok, we've been dominating a lot of games without getting the results; but we're a mid-table team this year, we've lost 13 matches, you can't say our goalie has had generally nothing to do. That's just grasping at straws to support your argument.
It has been a very strange season and I have watched every minute of every game. I can say that our keeper has not had much to do.

We have generally defended well all season and conceded from almost every worthwhile effort on goal. Pepe has saved next to nothing such that the saves he has made stand out (the header away at Chelsea in the league, one from Van Persie in the away game, Bale one on one at home to Spurs and the Brunt save low to his left at home to WBA plus another one in that game. There really hasn't been lots else whilst I reckon there have been about 8-10 clear errors for goals against which is a lot in a season for a side that gives little away.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1125 on: May 7, 2012, 06:57:15 PM »
Anyone else worried we might lose him this summer?

A player of his class should be in the CL and all it takes is one bid to turn someone's head.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1126 on: May 7, 2012, 07:01:23 PM »
I disagree about the second shot mate.

Watching on the replays and Pepe just drops onto his arm, looks like he hardly makes an effort for it.

Was no where near full stretch either IMO.

Has happened a lot this season, maybe he needs "a new challenge"?

Very poor all season.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1127 on: May 7, 2012, 07:05:01 PM »
Anyone else worried we might lose him this summer?

A player of his class should be in the CL and all it takes is one bid to turn someone's head.


Who should bid for him?? Only spurs need a keeper and they wont go for him. all of the other teams in england, spain and italy are more or less not in the position of needing a keeper

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1128 on: May 7, 2012, 07:07:51 PM »
So few people actually understand what goalkeepers do in training, it is a constant process of working on technique and refining the way they deal with certain situations. My lad has had seven or eight different coaches in 6 years and each one will have a different perspective on everything from hand position when getting set, to techniques for 1:1's and all other aspects.

Pepe has a very particular style, one my son has followed and different coaches differ on the pros and cons of this. Pepe used to drop one knee to form a barrier when dealing with 1:1's however this has changed recently, to in my opinion a less successful one. Pepe is one of the few keepers to employ an effective side volley, which can be accurate but is far more difficult to master.

To say keepers should just remember what they have learnt, however tongue in cheek is being too simplistic and not fully understanding of how much work keepers constantly do with their coaches.
I think this is key. Pepe's form went down hill last season and has got worse. I remember us talking about the change in his style with Kelly taking over as his coach from Valero and the change in his starting position. I don't think he has got his form back at any stage and indeed his confidence has got worse and worse. Bringing in Achtenberg hasn't changed anything.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1129 on: May 7, 2012, 07:08:50 PM »
Anyone else worried we might lose him this summer?

A player of his class should be in the CL and all it takes is one bid to turn someone's head.
No.

He seems to have "gone stale" at Anfield, no where near up to standard at present. He has been and can be a great keeper again, but can he do it with Liverpool?
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1130 on: May 7, 2012, 07:13:09 PM »
I'm intrigued by peoples assumption that if and when we get X goalie coach back he will then improve Y Keeper. When X coach has worked with Y keeper prior. Has Y keeper gotten dementia? Has he forgotten everything?

Call me daft, call me Tracy, but if you've been taught something, you should remember it, shouldn't you?.......... Or do you need to be told not to get beaten so often in a season on your near post....they still do mention the near post thing for keepers these days don't they? Or is goalie coach X the only one who does the near post thing?....

Questions, questions, questions........
Thats a bit like saying why do footballers bother practising a certain drill like shooting, marking, defending etc...? They've done it before so they should remember it right? Its all about keeping your sharpness. The more you go through the certain drills you perform, the more sharp and focused you remain.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1131 on: May 7, 2012, 07:47:48 PM »
What worries me about Pepe is something that is rife throughout our squad. He's an aggressive keeper, he's a positive keeper who will have the balls to get out of his area quickly or get the ball out quickly etc. We've lacked the intensity and aggression in our play throughout the season, through the whole squad and it's reflecting in Pepe's play.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1132 on: May 7, 2012, 07:54:38 PM »
Has happened a lot this season, maybe he needs "a new challenge"?

Very poor all season.
Totally agree IMO goes to ground to quick this season
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1133 on: May 7, 2012, 07:57:36 PM »
Thats a bit like saying why do footballers bother practising a certain drill like shooting, marking, defending etc...? They've done it before so they should remember it right? Its all about keeping your sharpness. The more you go through the certain drills you perform, the more sharp and focused you remain.
What are we saying here?.... he doesn't practice or he doesn't practice the basics?.... Near post we're on about here, how many times this season? Does he need to be re-taught the basics?
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1134 on: May 7, 2012, 08:16:07 PM »
Tbf the woodwork has probably been doing most of his work in training.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1135 on: May 7, 2012, 08:25:19 PM »
I don't think its a practice thing. I think it may be mental for Reina. Maybe going through so many transitions from one manager to the next and through building, players getting sold, building again etc. may have stretched him.

I think we will see an upturn in his form if the whole team shows that improvement as well but I think if next season we have an equally poor season, or the manager is changed again, he may very well decide to leave. To be honest, I think that could be one of those occasions where it be best for both parties.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1136 on: May 7, 2012, 08:28:46 PM »
I see what you are saying Chopper and agree to an extent but I think it comes down to how his coach deals with the repetitive mistakes he keeps making and if Pepe has the confidence in what he is being told. Does Pepe have enough respect for Achterberg as it does seem to be a basic positional correction that is required. Has his motor programme become so fucked up that it needs rebuilding in some way and is Achterberg the man to help him do this.

Many keepers also become stale. How many top keepers stay at the same club for seven years or more, especially when it is the first major period in a keepers career.  Pepe is still relatively young for a keeper, probably only half way through his senior career, maybe he needs a new focus, which may be brought about by a new coach.

Maybe he is just having a dip in form like most keepers, which is exaggerated by our current loss of form in general. The only person who really knows is Pepe and we should do all we can to help him sort out the problem as he is still a top keeper, who will always enable a good team to play from the back.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1138 on: May 7, 2012, 09:00:14 PM »
I see what you are saying Chopper and agree to an extent but I think it comes down to how his coach deals with the repetitive mistakes he keeps making and if Pepe has the confidence in what he is being told. Does Pepe have enough respect for Achterberg as it does seem to be a basic positional correction that is required. Has his motor programme become so fucked up that it needs rebuilding in some way and is Achterberg the man to help him do this.

Many keepers also become stale. How many top keepers stay at the same club for seven years or more, especially when it is the first major period in a keepers career.  Pepe is still relatively young for a keeper, probably only half way through his senior career, maybe he needs a new focus, which may be brought about by a new coach.

Maybe he is just having a dip in form like most keepers, which is exaggerated by our current loss of form in general. The only person who really knows is Pepe and we should do all we can to help him sort out the problem as he is still a top keeper, who will always enable a good team to play from the back.
Is it possible that by trying the make him more English (Owlface) we have fucked up his longheld motor reactions somewhat? Has he lost the embedded way of doing things?
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1139 on: May 7, 2012, 09:08:46 PM »
I agree that the coaching staff of a club are really important and undervalued, and this is perhaps more true for goalkeepers. I imagine every player on the pitch gets specific instructions from the manager/first team coach before every match, but I don't imagine Kenny/Clarke telling Pepe specific instructions on how to come for crosses, how to deal with 1-on-1s etc. The goalkeeping coach is almost like the manager to just one of the players in the first team.

I think the club needs to appoint someone very talented and able to be the goalkeeping coach whose job is not subject to the manager's job. We can't have a situation where a quality goalkeeping coach just leaves with the manager and we end up appointing a recently retired Tranmere goalkeeper who knows less about goalkeeping than our goalkeeper himself.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1140 on: May 7, 2012, 09:17:13 PM »
For whatever reason he takes a different stance when dealing with 1-1's. All the lads were taught the "Pepe" way, which was to drop a knee to form a barrier, to prevent being megged and to make your upper body and arms as big as possible. Getting done near post is often a confidence issue in that you over compensate for the shot across goal at the expense of covering your post.

Pepe is unquestionably less effective against penalties, which is a similar skill to 1-1's at the near post, where a decision or gamble is made, something that used to be prepared by his ex coach. Many keepers of all ages respond to a coach of a certain type and is one reason they change so often, similar to changes in top tennis players and their coaches.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1141 on: May 7, 2012, 09:43:07 PM »
I see what you are saying Chopper and agree to an extent but I think it comes down to how his coach deals with the repetitive mistakes he keeps making and if Pepe has the confidence in what he is being told. Does Pepe have enough respect for Achterberg as it does seem to be a basic positional correction that is required. Has his motor programme become so fucked up that it needs rebuilding in some way and is Achterberg the man to help him do this.

Many keepers also become stale. How many top keepers stay at the same club for seven years or more, especially when it is the first major period in a keepers career.  Pepe is still relatively young for a keeper, probably only half way through his senior career, maybe he needs a new focus, which may be brought about by a new coach.

Maybe he is just having a dip in form like most keepers, which is exaggerated by our current loss of form in general. The only person who really knows is Pepe and we should do all we can to help him sort out the problem as he is still a top keeper, who will always enable a good team to play from the back.
And in return I agree and understand what you're saying, but, Pepe's mistakes this season(and god knows I love the fucker, he even looks like me!) his mistakes are rudimentary basic ones. If he needed coaching it would be on concentration but I can't see nothing else to coach him, he's 28? or something round that, it's like a tradesman, you don't forget your basics, he is. Thats not to say he is a lost cause more of a cause for concern.

If I was being totally honest, he looks to me like bloke who's heart is not in it. I wish I could say it was something else but he just looks to me as if his mind is on something or somewhere, else.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1142 on: May 7, 2012, 09:45:00 PM »
Tbf the woodwork has probably been doing most of his work in training.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1143 on: May 7, 2012, 10:06:04 PM »
It has been a very strange season and I have watched every minute of every game. I can say that our keeper has not had much to do.

We have generally defended well all season and conceded from almost every worthwhile effort on goal. Pepe has saved next to nothing such that the saves he has made stand out (the header away at Chelsea in the league, one from Van Persie in the away game, Bale one on one at home to Spurs and the Brunt save low to his left at home to WBA plus another one in that game. There really hasn't been lots else whilst I reckon there have been about 8-10 clear errors for goals against which is a lot in a season for a side that gives little away.
I'm sorry, even though you've "watched every minute of every game", I'm just not gonna accept that Reina "has not had much to do" this season. 

According to the club website he has 12 clean sheets and a saves/shot ratio of about 70% -- that may not be absolutely excellent, but what i'm trying to get at is that there is a middle ground between top class and utter shite. Reina hasn't had his best season, but it's been pretty ok, and he has definitely made plenty of saves.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1144 on: May 8, 2012, 05:16:23 PM »
I'm sorry, even though you've "watched every minute of every game", I'm just not gonna accept that Reina "has not had much to do" this season. 

According to the club website he has 12 clean sheets and a saves/shot ratio of about 70% -- that may not be absolutely excellent, but what i'm trying to get at is that there is a middle ground between top class and utter shite. Reina hasn't had his best season, but it's been pretty ok, and he has definitely made plenty of saves.
Just go through his good saves (ie utterly non-basic) and weigh then up against his mistakes. A 70% shot save ratio includes weak shots/ shots straight at him etc etc.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1145 on: May 8, 2012, 08:43:32 PM »
Fucking hell people in hear


Oh no REINA please don't go to Arsenal


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Sell Sell Sell

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1146 on: May 8, 2012, 08:50:18 PM »
Just go through his good saves (ie utterly non-basic) and weigh then up against his mistakes. A 70% shot save ratio includes weak shots/ shots straight at him etc etc.
I give up, we live in two different worlds, thank you for the discussion.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1147 on: May 8, 2012, 08:54:27 PM »
We have the third best defence in the League

Man City 27
Man Utd 33
Liverpool 38

And this is without Lucas protecting the back four for most of the season

It is at the other end of the pitch where the questions need to be answered


46 goals scored

Arsenal, Newcastle and Chelsea are all higher in the league because they have scored more....

Downing and the wide players need to be rid of not Pepe!!!!!

If Lucas was playing that 38 would be far lower....
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1148 on: May 8, 2012, 10:21:13 PM »
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1149 on: May 8, 2012, 10:22:13 PM »
ya'll wanting to sell him can fuck right off ;)

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1150 on: May 8, 2012, 10:25:47 PM »
ya'll wanting to sell him can fuck right off ;)

my comment got deleted because I posted it during the game and it was about the game

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1151 on: May 8, 2012, 10:31:40 PM »
We have the third best defence in the League

Man City 27
Man Utd 33
Liverpool 38

And this is without Lucas protecting the back four for most of the season

Don't bother. Nobody will care, because "he let's in easy goals". I'll admit that some of the goals he has conceded were pretty soft, but a lot of the stick he's getting was when strikers were one on one with him and they scored. If you don't protect your keeper or make stupid mistakes and strikers get a one on one, more often than not they will score...

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1152 on: May 8, 2012, 10:40:04 PM »
Great save from Lukaku, yes it came off his body but he got his positioning spot on and kept the ball out. Loved the way he kicked the post after as well  ;D
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1153 on: May 8, 2012, 10:41:00 PM »
Pleased for pepe that he made the save tonight


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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1154 on: May 8, 2012, 10:44:50 PM »
hes fucking boss.

This

I'm like a broken record on this, but our lack of a proper DM has been the cause of many of our issues, including lack of protection for Pepe.

He's not had a great one and he admitted it himself, but I think he's allowed one.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1155 on: May 8, 2012, 10:45:11 PM »
He's had a poor season by his standards, but talk of selling him on the back of that is surely a bit over the top? He's an excellent player, he should be 'allowed' a drop in form for perhaps the first time in 7 years (I'm not counting the months under Hodgson), and you'd back him to turn it around next season. Atleast I would, he's one of the best keepers I've seen, and a leader on the pitch as well. Would be a massive risk trying to replace him when we need to get it absolutely right in more than one other spot in the summer, we can't rebuild every part of the team each year.

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1156 on: May 8, 2012, 10:50:43 PM »
I reckon Pepe has been megged half a dozen times this season. Almost never happened prior to this season so what Stanfo says is interesting. I hadn't noticed to be honest.
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1157 on: May 8, 2012, 10:51:10 PM »
passion is what he showed when he kicked the post and Liverpool Fans are known for loving passionate players

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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1158 on: May 8, 2012, 11:06:34 PM »
IMO I think his form has dipped for two reasons:

1. change in coach - it's hard to change small things that have become second nature quickly

2. being torn between staying at the club he loves and possibly not winning the league, and leaving and not loving the club he goes to as much.

I think his best years are still to come and hope to fuck he stays. 
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Re: Pepe Reina: A 4th Golden Glove?
« Reply #1159 on: May 8, 2012, 11:37:44 PM »
whatever you say about the big man, please don't say he doesn't care. that save meant a lot for him, i'm sad we never got a clean sheet.
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