Re: Bin those plastic flags
« Reply #243 on: Today at 12:19:21 »
Let's get one thing straight - booing the national anthem, or singing over the top of it, should not be seen as an attack on anything other than a) the monarchy and b) the establishment / authorities. It doesn't mean that people are not patriotic (though lots aren't), it doesn't mean they don't respect the forces, it doesn't mean they don't appreciate the NHS. This was my take on it...
When I eventually got around to sifting through the mountains of shite that was thrown up in the aftermath of our Wembley defeat, I was pretty surprised to see so much heated debate on our treatment of the national anthem.
There were several reasons for my surprise. One was that our tradition of signing over the anthem is one that has persisted throughout decades of Liverpool finals. The other was that the national anthem – at least from where I was sat – was so barely audible that I wasn’t even really sure what the jeering was about. I mean I assumed it was God Save The Queen, but I couldn’t really tell. I sang Fields of Anfield Road instead. I was there to support Liverpool FC, not England, after all. Maybe the fact we couldn’t hear the anthem was a testament to how well we did our jobs of drowning it out? Or maybe the FA couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery, and their microphones were out? Who knows? But either way, the singing itself was a bit of a farce.
Now anyone who knows scousers and who knows anything about the city of Liverpool will know that they’re a unique breed, and a unique city. There’s something very different about Liverpool in comparison to the rest of England. I suppose it’s born from its port city roots, and large population of celtic descendants. It’s also born from the treatment of the city by successive governments, by the socialist psyche of the people, and from an inherent antipathy for the establishment. So it’s really no surprise that one of our favourite songs proclaims “we’re not English, we are Scouse”. You need only look at the banners on show on both sides of the stadium to see exactly what I mean. A handful of England flags sparsely decorated the Chelsea end. A sea of red and white and a complete absence of the St George’s cross or the Union Jack adorned the Liverpool allocation until there was room for no more.
Scousers do not conform. They do not forgive and forget when they are wronged. And Liverpool supporters certainly don’t take too kindly to being told what to sing, and when to sing it.
The national anthem is so completely irrelevant to so many people, not just scousers. So to ask us to respect it, in an environment where patriotism is unnecessary, and partisan football rivalries should be the main event, is just really quite silly. As much as the FA would like the Cup Final to be a lovely footballing occasion and a showpiece for the association, with awful plastic flags being waved in unison, like characterless puppets, that’s just not what football is. Not to us. Not to the everyday football supporter, the home and away reds, the girls and lads who go to the match not for a family day out, but for a love of the club. We’re not there on corporate freebies, drinking expensive Budweiser, and eating fish and chips. No. We’re there to cheer our team on, under conditions made as awkward as possible by the authorities, after they’ve shown us and our club nothing but complete disdain over the course of the season.
So no. We will not sing your national anthem, and no, we will not stand still and quiet in the name of respect. We will not wave your embarrassing plastic flags in some orchestrated and contrived attempt at a spectacle (which ironically is an attempt to recreate something which the Kop has always provided spontaneously and uniquely). We went to Wembley to support our team. Not to provide entertainment for you, and not to respect an establishment which has consistently and systematically mistreated our football club and our city over decades. We turn up DESPITE this.
Call us a disgrace, sure. Everyone else has. But we know what we believe in and we stick to it. And that sure as hell isn’t saving the fucking Queen. We worship a quite different monarch.
The above was by Rhi earlier on. I wanted to reply in the thread but it is now locked, so those who have not had chance to see it or those coming to the forum from other places (there are quite a few over the past few days from people I know of) and whatever media sources, I guess the above answers any questions.
And well said Rhi.