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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #360 on: August 26, 2010, 08:38:54 AM »
Architecture looks familiar........

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #361 on: August 26, 2010, 10:02:13 AM »

Nothing there rings any bells for me. I'd like to know what this building in the right is with all the adverts on.



 


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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #362 on: August 26, 2010, 12:22:21 PM »
That must be it, pictured from the rear. It's a mirror of the front of the building with 7 windows across on each floor and those two arched doorways for the wagons to be shunted inside.
Looking closely I think I can just make out the LOHR, arrowed, as well.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #363 on: August 26, 2010, 12:23:53 PM »
And I've just found this now here



which confirms what I suspected. Carbonari must have stood on the platform just behind where the carriages are and taken the picture looking down.. You can see the top floor of the building in question. 7 Windows with an identical style.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #364 on: August 26, 2010, 12:26:54 PM »
Nothing there rings any bells for me. I'd like to know what this building in the right is with all the adverts on.

Looks like it's a tea or coffee shop, lots of plaques on the wall.
That sign below on the right must be for 'Royal' something (unless they knew back then that Roy was coming ;))
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #365 on: August 26, 2010, 12:41:51 PM »
Royal Lancashire - whatever that is. The brickwork of that building is what is puzzling me, looks very 'common'.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #366 on: August 26, 2010, 01:02:30 PM »
Royal Lancashire - whatever that is.

It's an ad for the 'Royal Lancashire Show Bury' which is where it was held that year, 1911.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #367 on: August 26, 2010, 01:47:16 PM »
I was wondering if that building had something to do with travel. My first thought - because of the area - was Exchange Station.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #368 on: August 26, 2010, 02:20:16 PM »
The Overhead by St. Nic's corner;
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #369 on: August 26, 2010, 09:30:22 PM »
before and after...the date on one of them one is clearly wrong

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #370 on: August 27, 2010, 12:31:29 AM »



A little bit changed now, only St Nicks and the wall remains...
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #371 on: August 27, 2010, 03:17:53 AM »
Tsar. Them two, are one and the same photo.

Ones B/W, and ones tinted.


I see what you are saying regarding dating, but they are exactly the same photo, even down to the people on the street and the time on the clock.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #372 on: August 27, 2010, 04:27:24 AM »
I can't beleive that more or us have not got onto this site.

I've just had a quick skim through the previous ten pages of this thread, and the only passing mention of this site that I can find,  is one photo from Tsar, on page six.

It's a commercial site though, so you may not be able to lift the images.


Mostly post WW2, but there's the odd earlier one.


You could spend hours in this place...


Liverpool city centre.
www.20thcenturyimages.co.uk/trolleyed/3/18/liverpool-citycentre(1).html

Liverpool docks.
www.20thcenturyimages.co.uk/trolleyed/3/20/liverpool-docks(1).html

Liverpool districts.
www.20thcenturyimages.co.uk/trolleyed/3/19/liverpool-districts(1).html
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #373 on: August 27, 2010, 11:00:13 AM »
You're right Richie it's a cracking site, with loads of pages - as for lifting the images ! heaven forbid.
The Church St. photies I did know about mate, the 'before and after' was referring to the difference between the b&w and the tinted result.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #374 on: August 27, 2010, 11:12:50 AM »
Last post on this one....



From studying the railway map....

here's a pretty precise location for that photo...


In the pic below, the camper van and breakdown truck(left arrow) are parked in the position of the gates to the right(as your facing it) of the original building in the old photo.
I reckon those cobble stones they are parked on are probably the original ones.
That wall at the front is much more recent.

And that bit of track (middle arrow) set in the road might just be the last remnant of the docks railway system. It curved out and joined the tracks that ran underneath the LOHR. There was another track to it's right (top arrow) curving towards town but all that's left of that is a bit of granite peeking out of the tarmac in the road tracing where it had been.

(I'm coming up to Liverpool tomorrow and might just have a quick detour to see if it's still there.)

If you wander up Bankfield Street on streetview, to your right is possible the remains of the side wall of that building.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #375 on: August 27, 2010, 11:23:06 AM »
Second opinions please...in the bumped up negative version here, on the premises on the left hand side of the street where the white horses are heading out from I'm reading JONES & CO KNOTTY ASH ? ALES

 
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« Reply #376 on: August 27, 2010, 11:29:48 AM »
Second opinions please...in the bumped up negative version here, on the premises on the left hand side of the street where the white horses are heading out from I'm reading JONES & CO KNOTTY ASH ? ALES
You're right.

http://www.breweryhistory.com/Defunct/Merseyside.htm

and pics here...   http://www.breweryhistory.com/Defunct/Pics/MerseyLiverpoolWheatsheaf.htm




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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #377 on: August 27, 2010, 11:55:47 AM »
Cheers Gulley. I didn't want to tramp through all the 'Jones' entries in the directory on a wild goose chase, although I think it will be.

Top positioning on the Strand by the way.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #378 on: August 27, 2010, 01:06:03 PM »
Tsar, I found this little gem about Jones&co in google cache here...

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Knotty Ash Ale a 2500 tipple
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RARE pub jugs have a habit of turing up in unusual places. The previously unrecorded Knotty Ash Ales jug, right, made in the latter years of the 19th century for Joseph Jones & Co., had been spotted in a thrift shop in British Columbia earlier this year.
 



Sounds like it went for 2500 at auction. Interesting that it ended up in British Columbia of all places.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #379 on: August 27, 2010, 03:31:23 PM »
Great stuff lads


And that bit of track (middle arrow) set in the road might just be the last remnant of the docks railway system. It curved out and joined the tracks that ran underneath the LOHR. There was another track to it's right (top arrow) curving towards town but all that's left of that is a bit of granite peeking out of the tarmac in the road tracing where it had been.

Tell me something Gulley, are those the lines that are on the floor part of the line that would have linked to the old Riverside station? I know they looked a bit like that and went along underneath the LOR for most of the length of the docks but I've never seen a proper map of the line
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #380 on: August 27, 2010, 04:10:44 PM »
Ha ! love that Gulley, cheers.

Think I'm going to throw me hand in with that pic though - looking like a waste of time - even though it can't be too many streets, what with it having tram tracks.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #381 on: August 27, 2010, 06:12:54 PM »
.... are those the lines that are on the floor part of the line that would have linked to the old Riverside station?

No, Riverside station was just by the Pier Head.

See here, here and here

The tracks that ran into Riverside are here

You can see the remains still in the setts. If you go into streetview you can see them from the side.

The route to Riverside was not from the dock system, ie the tracks shown underneath the LOHR, but from Edge Hill via Waterloo Tunnel.

This ran deep below the original entrance viaduct to Exchange, long gone, you used to be able to glimpse it on the trains into Exchange, and then ran almost under Great Howard street goods and emerged at Waterloo goods station where a spur then ran on to Riverside. You can just about still make out its route from Google satellite.

The section that was visible from the Exchange approach lines seems to have been submerged somewhere but you can still see part of the tunnel where it emerges briefly as a cutting here
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #382 on: August 27, 2010, 06:39:19 PM »
No, Riverside station was just by the Pier Head.

See here, here and here

The tracks that ran into Riverside are here

You can see the remains still in the setts. If you go into streetview you can see them from the side.

The route to Riverside was not from the dock system, ie the tracks shown underneath the LOHR, but from Edge Hill via Waterloo Tunnel.

This ran deep below the original entrance viaduct to Exchange, long gone, you used to be able to glimpse it on the trains into Exchange, and then ran almost under Great Howard street goods and emerged at Waterloo goods station where a spur then ran on to Riverside. You can just about still make out its route from Google satellite.

The section that was visible from the Exchange approach lines seems to have been submerged somewhere but you can still see part of the tunnel where it emerges briefly as a cutting here

Cheers for that, good stuff. I vaguely remember seeing riverside station, (or more accurately its remains) in the early 90s when out walking with my dad but I was too young to really think much about what it was. I do remember driving past this a fair bit tho, so I don't know what I never connected the dots there! There used to be quite a lot of those old tram-type lines on the streets around the docks but each time I go back to Liverpool there are less.

There are some brill photos of inside the Waterloo tunnel on that subterrania britannica site, mad that we have that and the wapping tunnel under the city but can't come up with any use for them!
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #383 on: August 27, 2010, 08:34:59 PM »
These may be already up somewhere, I'm losing track of what's been posted...

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #384 on: August 27, 2010, 11:43:25 PM »
...... but I've never seen a proper map of the line

I've got a couple of old maps of Liverpool that I use to get my bearings, one a Premier A-Z from the early 70's (8/6d!) which seems to be actually the early 60's in its content, and one from the late 40's, and between them they cover almost all the old streets as well as showing the railway layouts on the docks etc.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #385 on: August 27, 2010, 11:52:36 PM »
I've got a couple of old maps of Liverpool that I use to get my bearings, one a Premier A-Z from the early 70's (8/6d!) which seems to be actually the early 60's in its content, and one from the late 40's, and between them they cover almost all the old streets as well as showing the railway layouts on the docks etc.
I'm going to be a bit busy for the next couple of months with work swatting up on stuff and travelling but when I get a chance I'll scan them in and stick them on a server somewhere with a link on here for you and anyone else to download them.

That'd be great mate, no hurry at all like but if you do get the chance it the future i'd happily spend hours poring over those!
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #386 on: September 7, 2010, 06:13:27 PM »
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #387 on: September 7, 2010, 08:06:26 PM »
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« Reply #388 on: September 7, 2010, 08:51:00 PM »
is that horse pulling a full tank of water?
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« Reply #389 on: September 7, 2010, 08:52:23 PM »
jeez there must been a weight on that.. power flushing.  poor horse
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #390 on: September 7, 2010, 09:12:27 PM »
I'm not sure, but maybe the tank was filled up locally. There's a hose running along the floor - a full tank would be a bit more dynamic than a hose. Hope that's what happened anyway.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #391 on: September 9, 2010, 11:09:36 PM »
Edge Lane Drive in 1914.... pity the driver if the weather turned bad

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #392 on: September 9, 2010, 11:16:27 PM »
Edge Lane Drive in 1914.... pity the driver if the weather turned bad



If you look closely you can see he's just finishing off his Big Mac from the drive-thru

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« Reply #393 on: September 9, 2010, 11:25:37 PM »
If you look closely you can see he's just finishing off his Big Mac from the drive-thru
It looks to me as if he's throwing a wanker sign at the photographer.
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #394 on: September 10, 2010, 09:51:23 PM »
Hadn't seen either of these place deserted before
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #395 on: September 11, 2010, 09:53:17 AM »
...usually more like this..Clayton Sq. and Cases St.

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #396 on: September 14, 2010, 04:14:29 PM »
Has anyone got those pictures of around Liverpool that were put up from a site a woman had put together after visiting the city years ago? There was one of outside The Kop that kavah now has in his avatar?

Thanks

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nancyo23/sets/72057594095382976/?page=3




..and some 168 LFC related photos here. If you skip the slide show the 'next results' button after the last pic takes you to another page....

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« Reply #397 on: September 15, 2010, 07:35:23 PM »
Great pictures on here, i love them please keep them comming  :wave
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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #398 on: September 15, 2010, 11:24:49 PM »
I particularly like these 2 from that last link;

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Re: Old photos of and around Liverpool
« Reply #399 on: September 26, 2010, 12:30:59 PM »
looks like bbc4 later from half past seven on
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