Author Topic: Owners launch bid to find buyer for Liverpool (Read 29291 times)

fry · « **Reply #400 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:14:21 PM »

Quote from: RAFA - 6 - 19 on October 23, 2008, 01:10:35 PM

Maybe the yanks are getting parry to negotiate so he fucks it up and dubai pull out so Hicks and George can sell it to people they know better and have some minority involvement to get those future profits they are so keen to get their grubby mitts on. As Dubai will want nothing to do with Parry or the Yanks

Parry may even wangle staying on at LFC

Was the wcc (world clown conference) not held in dubai this year?

Wigwampaddy · « **Reply #401 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:18:28 PM »

Quote from: pemcl on October 23, 2008, 01:02:34 PM

pick one!!!

I'll have......

THAT ONE!!!

MattLFC08 · « **Reply #402 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:25:28 PM »

Quote from: fry on October 23, 2008, 01:14:21 PM

Was the wcc (world clown conference) not held in dubai this year?

will2003 · « **Reply #403 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:36:51 PM »

Ithink we should do something at the Chelsea game to ramp up the pressure on these two dumb asses. Some banner wouldn't go a miss etc. I'm going but unfortunatly i'm using the company season tickets which are in the home end and i dont want to get my face caved in this close to my wedding.

Kloofster · « **Reply #404 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:38:13 PM »

Walton Red is correct. ML will be investigating a number of scenarios including a full sale. But a few scenarios can effectively be scrubbed off:

- Hicks finding a new minority partner (well would you put your money at his disposal?)
- H&G transfering expensive debt into notionally cheaper equity (a reading of Modigliani's efficient capital market theory will show him that this wont work)

More likely its looking at effecting a sale; or buying additional time through replacing/ augmenting the existing loan structures.

It would be interesting if Evans of the Times could explain what he meant by "signal" in his original article. Was it an inference from the arrival of ML or was it from an inside contact perhaps in ML and/or the H&G camps. The former means its simply more conjecture wrapped up in a riddle; the latter and we may be onto something...

fry · « **Reply #405 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:38:42 PM »

Quote from: will2003 on October 23, 2008, 01:36:51 PM

Ithink we should do something at the Chelsea game to ramp up the pressure on these two dumb asses. Some banner wouldn't go a miss etc. I'm going but unfortunatly i'm using the company season tickets which are in the home end and i dont want to get my face caved in this close to my wedding.

afraid the chelsea fans will beat on you with small plastic flags?

will2003 · « **Reply #406 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:45:21 PM »

More afraid of my fiancee actually! Those things can hurt if they get in your eye tho!

In all seriousness tho sundays game is starting to be billed as one of the biggest of the season so lots of coverage would be good for the cause.

No666 · « **Reply #407 on:** October 23, 2008, 01:49:27 PM »

Quote

Didn't even know he was over here... Where exactly?

He was in Madrid yesterday.

edeyj · « **Reply #408 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:13:56 PM »

Quote from: No666 on October 23, 2008, 01:49:27 PM

He was in Madrid yesterday.

Hmmmm - I wonder why the sly old git was there?

Hardly the uber prestigious game that he would normally be attracted to, is it? It's a long way to travel for a qualification game unless......something else has been scheduled.

Coady · « **Reply #409 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:14:51 PM »

Quote from: edeyj on October 23, 2008, 02:13:56 PM

Hmmmm - I wonder why the sly old git was there?

Hardly the uber prestigious game that he would normally be attracted to, is it? It's a long way to travel for a qualification game unless......something else has been scheduled.

any sightings anywhere? or is it just hearsay.

Adem78 · « **Reply #410 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:23:24 PM »

I read it somewhere, Gillet definately went apparently and i agree a very wierd thing for him to do, he never goes to away games so him coming over to Away vs Atlético doesnt make sense

peterb17 · « **Reply #411 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:23:37 PM »

can't find the link but it is in one of the Montreal papers in an article on GG today

Bobsackamano · « **Reply #412 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:28:06 PM »

Quote from: peterb17 on October 23, 2008, 02:23:37 PM

can't find the link but it is in one of the Montreal papers in an article on GG today

it's reported in the Guardian today, in the paper itself not sure about online

zing · « **Reply #413 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:30:17 PM »

Quote from: Adem78 on October 23, 2008, 02:23:24 PM

he never goes to away games

pretty sure he went to at least one last year - Marseilles I think

bmac · « **Reply #414 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:39:57 PM »

Nice little mid-week european break for him...

fry · « **Reply #415 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:50:44 PM »

Quote from: bmac on October 23, 2008, 02:39:57 PM

Nice little mid-week ~~european~~ neck break for him...

Would be better

shelovesyou · « **Reply #416 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:51:47 PM »

Quote from: bmac on October 23, 2008, 02:39:57 PM

Nice little mid-week european break for him...

yeh and I wonder who fuckin paid for it ..............

HarryLabrador · « **Reply #417 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:52:54 PM »

Quote from: J Molby on October 23, 2008, 02:14:51 PM

any sightings anywhere? or is it just hearsay.

"The Portuguese international, who scored when Benfica ended Liverpool's defence of the Champions League in 2006, would not be denied by Reina this time, finding the far corner with an inch-perfect finish. Benítez and the watching Liverpool co-owner, George Gillett, were not amused."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/23/championsleague-atleticomadrid

merseypride · « **Reply #418 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:54:05 PM »

Quote from: zing on October 23, 2008, 02:30:17 PM

pretty sure he went to at least one last year - Marseilles I think

Was a crucial must win match, unlike the atletico match!

Coady · « **Reply #419 on:** October 23, 2008, 02:59:23 PM »

Quote from: HarryLabrador on October 23, 2008, 02:52:54 PM

"The Portuguese international, who scored when Benfica ended Liverpool's defence of the Champions League in 2006, would not be denied by Reina this time, finding the far corner with an inch-perfect finish. Benítez and the watching Liverpool co-owner, George Gillett, were not amused."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/23/championsleague-atleticomadrid

Thanks Harry, Begs the question why he would choose this game to watch.

newterp · « **Reply #420 on:** October 23, 2008, 03:04:44 PM »

of the two owners (I hate both) - wasn't it always Gillette that was a Liverpool "fan".

what I mean is this - he wanted the team originally. When he realized that he was going to be outbid by DIC, he went to his "friend" - Hicks to help make the deal sweeter. His problem was not understanding that Hicks, while a "fan" of soccer, didn't understand Liverpool.

The relationship degenerated - Hicks already once prevented Gillette from selling.

Now, it looks like both terrible owners know the gig is up. So here's my theory:

Gillette is simply trying to get to as many Liverpool games as he can before he sells the team. After its sold, he's going to be persona non-grata (even moreso than now - when he's still at least an owner) and probably wont go to anymore matches.

edeyj · « **Reply #421 on:** October 23, 2008, 03:14:19 PM »

Quote from: newterp on October 23, 2008, 03:04:44 PM

of the two owners (I hate both) - wasn't it always Gillette that was a Liverpool "fan".

what I mean is this - he wanted the team originally. When he realized that he was going to be outbid by DIC, he went to his "friend" - Hicks to help make the deal sweeter. His problem was not understanding that Hicks, while a "fan" of soccer, didn't understand Liverpool.

The relationship degenerated - Hicks already once prevented Gillette from selling.

Now, it looks like both terrible owners know the gig is up. So here's my theory:

Gillette is simply trying to get to as many Liverpool games as he can before he sells the team. After its sold, he's going to be persona non-grata (even moreso than now - when he's still at least an owner) and probably wont go to anymore matches.

Sorry mate. I don't buy Gillett being anywhere near to being a fan of the club. If he was then he wouldn't have acted the way he has.

Hicks may be more of a high profile t**t but Gillett is just as much (if not more) to blame for the current sorry state we are in.

The sooner they both sell up the better for us all.

(Christ, the guy doesn't even know the words to YNWA)

Lenstar · « **Reply #422 on:** October 23, 2008, 03:31:11 PM »

ok this may have been posted already so sorry

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_4373504,00.html

Zabeel Investments have pulled out of a deal to buy Charlton, the club have confirmed.

The Dubai-based investors, who had also been linked with a takeover of Newcastle, made an indicative offer for the club earlier this month.

However, after giving the deal some thought Zabeel Investments have decided to withdraw their interest.

A Charlton statement said: "Zabeel Investments has informed Charlton that the decision not to proceed was taken on the basis that its focus moving forward will be on domestic opportunities in Dubai that complement the current Zabeel Investments portfolio.

"This combined with the current debate around foreign ownership of football clubs and the worsening economic climate in the UK contributed to the decision of Zabeel Investments to pull out."

The Dubai-based investors also denied reports that they had switched their attentions elsewhere with reports linking them with a move to Everton and West Ham.

The statement continued: "Zabeel Investments has made it clear to Charlton that this decision was not made as a result of any discoveries during the due diligence process.

"Contrary to recent press reports, Zabeel Investments has confirmed to Charlton that it has not approached any other club since it made an indicative offer for Charlton Athletic on October 10, nor has it authorised any approach on its behalf.

"In addition, Zabeel Investments has confirmed it has no current intention to acquire any English football club for the foreseeable future."

The news is a blow for Charlton as they were hoping new investment would help the club's bid to regain promotion to the Premier League.

fry · « **Reply #423 on:** October 23, 2008, 03:33:53 PM »

Quote from: Lenstar on October 23, 2008, 03:31:11 PM

ok this may have been posted already so sorry

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_4373504,00.html

Zabeel Investments have pulled out of a deal to buy Charlton, the club have confirmed.

The Dubai-based investors, who had also been linked with a takeover of Newcastle, made an indicative offer for the club earlier this month.

However, after giving the deal some thought Zabeel Investments have decided to withdraw their interest.

A Charlton statement said: "Zabeel Investments has informed Charlton that the decision not to proceed was taken on the basis that its focus moving forward will be on domestic opportunities in Dubai that complement the current Zabeel Investments portfolio.

"This combined with the current debate around foreign ownership of football clubs and the worsening economic climate in the UK contributed to the decision of Zabeel Investments to pull out."

The Dubai-based investors also denied reports that they had switched their attentions elsewhere with reports linking them with a move to Everton and West Ham.

The statement continued: "Zabeel Investments has made it clear to Charlton that this decision was not made as a result of any discoveries during the due diligence process.

"Contrary to recent press reports, Zabeel Investments has confirmed to Charlton that it has not approached any other club since it made an indicative offer for Charlton Athletic on October 10, nor has it authorised any approach on its behalf.

"In addition, Zabeel Investments has confirmed it has no current intention to acquire any English football club for the foreseeable future."

The news is a blow for Charlton as they were hoping new investment would help the club's bid to regain promotion to the Premier League.

cheers lenstar, adds more weight to that sheikh calling the dogs off. Zabeel say they are not buying a football club for the forseeable future.

No666 · « **Reply #424 on:** October 23, 2008, 03:34:56 PM »

Re: they're being 'fans' of either the club or 'soccer' - have a read of the opening paras of the article Harry, RedJam and I put together if you have a mo - it's in the Opinion thread and is called Lessons Unlearned. You will find that Hicks wasn't at all keen on LFC when G first spoke to him, but G then sold him on the idea. What did he mention? Our history? Our status? Our passion and pride? No, he mentioned numbers and at the end of it Hicks had a Damascene conversion, commenting that he could see what the Glazers saw in Man U.
And now we have become his prize 'asset...'

edeyj · « **Reply #425 on:** October 23, 2008, 04:05:12 PM »

Quote from: No666 on October 23, 2008, 03:34:56 PM

Re: they're being 'fans' of either the club or 'soccer' - have a read of the opening paras of the article Harry, RedJam and I put together if you have a mo - it's in the Opinion thread and is called Lessons Unlearned. You will find that Hicks wasn't at all keen on LFC when G first spoke to him, but G then sold him on the idea. What did he mention? Our history? Our status? Our passion and pride? No, he mentioned numbers and at the end of it Hicks had a Damascene conversion, commenting that he could see what the Glazers saw in Man U.
And now we have become his prize 'asset...'

Thanks for pointing out the article - it should be mandatory reading for every Liverpool fan (specially those that are still of the opinion that H&G have any place at our club).

I am almost visibly shaking with rage after reading it though. What were Parry and Moores thinking when they did business with these two? Even if they knew only a fraction of what is in that article they should have told the two of them to "do one".

Hard to believe what a state we are in off the pitch. Thank God we have a decent man as manager.

stewy17 · « **Reply #426 on:** October 23, 2008, 04:16:32 PM »

Quote from: fry on October 23, 2008, 03:33:53 PM

...adds more weight to that sheikh calling the dogs off...

Where does it add any weight to that?

It says their decision was based on the fact that they are concentrating on investments in Dubai and that they were put off by the debate about foreign ownership and the gloomy financial outlook in the UK.

Nowhere does it mention:

a) the sheikh
b) Liverpool Football Club

If anything it adds weight to the argument that the Sheikh (and the rest of Dubai) have cooled on the idea of buying a football club, and also to the fact that Dubain (sp? real word?) investors seemingly like fucking people about.

This situation is getting out of hand in that everyone seems to jump on the smallest thing and think it means that the club is up for sale or that something massive is happening.

It seems to me that the status quo is that Hicks doesn't want to sell, and Dubai aren't willing to up their previous offer, therefore, there isn't going to be a sale.

Although its a bitter pill to swallow, certain members of this forum need to accept this and maybe put their efforts into helping change the situation, rather than fantasising.

Spanners · « **Reply #427 on:** October 23, 2008, 04:36:23 PM »

Long time lurker short time poster here. I'm also an OOTer so you'll have to forgive me that as well.

I must say that I am getting tired of all this rumour etc about H&G selling up.

What I am disappointed with is the lack of any real action from Liverpool fans. I see thread after thread filled with optimism that we are going to be bought out by Dubai or "Sheikh Mo" or one of the Hinduja brothers.

We pour scorn on Chelsea rent boys but want to be the next Chelsea. Same with Manchester City. They do a deal on Sunday and are bidding mega bucks for every decent player on Monday but isn't holding out for Dubai just being the same?

Newcastle had a crap owner and the fans demonstrated their anger and power. Ashley is all but out of there.

As much as SOS are doing, it all seems a bit symbolic to me. Great show, a couple of headlines but nothing is really hitting home.

Question is if we really want to get rid of our current owners then maybe it is time that we took more direct action? Surely 2 to 3 matches played at Anfield to an empty stadium would precipitate the departure of the Americans?

It just seems to be me we are putting short term success before the long term security of this great club.

fry · « **Reply #428 on:** October 23, 2008, 04:42:13 PM »

Quote from: stewy17 on October 23, 2008, 04:16:32 PM

Where does it add any weight to that?

It says their decision was based on the fact that they are concentrating on investments in Dubai and that they were put off by the debate about foreign ownership and the gloomy financial outlook in the UK.

Nowhere does it mention:

a) the sheikh
b) Liverpool Football Club

If anything it adds weight to the argument that the Sheikh (and the rest of Dubai) have cooled on the idea of buying a football club, and also to the fact that Dubain (sp? real word?) investors seemingly like fucking people about.

This situation is getting out of hand in that everyone seems to jump on the smallest thing and think it means that the club is up for sale or that something massive is happening.

It seems to me that the status quo is that Hicks doesn't want to sell, and Dubai aren't willing to up their previous offer, therefore, there isn't going to be a sale.

Although its a bitter pill to swallow, certain members of this forum need to accept this and maybe put their efforts into helping change the situation, rather than fantasising.

They will never say "we are not buying chalton now because liverpool have agreed to sell to the sheikh" I think their excuse is a little feable for not buying charlton which had me thinking there was another reason they pulled out, charlton was never a realistic venture for them. Just a pawn in the sheikhs plan, IMO <<

LONGWORTH · « **Reply #429 on:** October 23, 2008, 04:54:04 PM »

Gillett came back to London today on a Britsih Airways flight from Madrid. He is going to the Chelsea Match and watching American Football at Wembley on Sunday.Not happy with the bad press he gets from our media.

zing · « **Reply #430 on:** October 23, 2008, 04:57:51 PM »

There is a solution for Gillet to get some good press for a change followed by everyone on this side of the Atlantic not giving a rats ass about him for ever more

WASSA · « **Reply #431 on:** October 23, 2008, 04:58:04 PM »

how do you know that, longworth?

stewy17 · « **Reply #432 on:** October 23, 2008, 05:03:13 PM »

if true, what does he want like? a fucking ticket tape parade?

he comes over here promising all kinds, plunging a relatively solvent, reverred institution (or"fraaanchise") into masses of debt (with little evidence of any real expenditure) fails to deliver any of his promises and then whinges about his bad press?

he's hardly a fucking philanthropist.

maybe him and his fat pig of a mate should piss off, then they'd get what they deserve, absolutely no press.

gobshite.

The Flying Pig · « **Reply #433 on:** October 23, 2008, 05:03:59 PM »

Quote from: LONGWORTH on October 23, 2008, 04:54:04 PM

Gillett came back to London today on a Britsih Airways flight from Madrid. He is going to the Chelsea Match and watching American Football at Wembley on Sunday.Not happy with the bad press he gets from our media.

Aaah,poor George,I have a simple solution for him:-

Sell up,take your profit and leave us alone.

There,problem solved!

MLR · « **Reply #434 on:** October 23, 2008, 05:04:59 PM »

Quote from: stewy17 on October 23, 2008, 05:03:13 PM

if true, what does he want like? a fucking ticket tape parade?

he comes over here promising all kinds, plunging a relatively solvent, reverred institution (or"fraaanchise") into masses of debt (with little evidence of any real expenditure) fails to deliver any of his promises and then whinges about his bad press?

he's hardly a fucking philanthropist.

maybe him and his fat pig of a mate should piss off, then they'd get what they deserve, absolutely no press.

gobshite.

don't beat around the bush, say what you really mean.