Topic: Dubai Takeover Back On Perhaps?

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

Abu Dhabi has oil, Dubai doesnt, hence the huge difference.

dubai produces around 200k barrels of oil a day btw

anyway, would a player with ambition prefer £200k per week at city or £100k per week at liverpool?

[west_london_red]

"administrative oversight"

Just about sums up the entire shambolic affair.

[Bob Loblaw]

We should get Parry on Dragons Den.

[donniebrasco]

dubai produces around 200k barrels of oil a day btw

anyway, would a player with ambition prefer £200k per week at city or £100k per week at liverpool?

Very sadly some top players will pick city...this is serious money...we couldn't get Barry to hand in a transfer request in case he lost money.

100k and 200k is 20M over a four year deal..serious money.

[west_london_red]

I think its got to the stage now where people have to accept that Hicks and Gillett are here to stay for a longtime.


There is nothing we can do as fans, except just accept it, concentrate on the team and our goals for the season

Bollocks to that.

[fry]

I think its got to the stage now where people have to accept that Hicks and Gillett are here to stay for a longtime.

They have done all in their power to get expensive loans and have made it clear that they dont want to sell (well Hicks doesnt). Our manager gets on with Hicks and is firmly in his camp.

Thus, we have to accept it. There is nothing we can do about it. It would have been nice to get DIC in, but thanks to the decision of our board, we didnt.

There is nothing we can do as fans, except just accept it, concentrate on the team and our goals for the season

you seem to have accepted what you believe very easily, I'm holding hope for Dubai and you should do the same for the better of our club instead of accepting the situation.

[tomtom]

Very sadly some most top players will pick city...this is serious money...we couldn't get Barry to hand in a transfer request in case he lost money.

100k and 200k is 20M over a four year deal..serious money.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

They have done all in their power to get expensive loans and have made it clear that they dont want to sell (well Hicks doesnt). Our manager gets on with Hicks and is firmly in his camp.

they could have got a loan for the stadium but refused to as they had to guarantee £200m of it, so they aren't in that powerful a situation

[BazC]

I think its got to the stage now where people have to accept that Hicks and Gillett are here to stay for a longtime.

They have done all in their power to get expensive loans and have made it clear that they dont want to sell (well Hicks doesnt). Our manager gets on with Hicks and is firmly in his camp.

Thus, we have to accept it. There is nothing we can do about it. It would have been nice to get DIC in, but thanks to the decision of our board, we didnt.

There is nothing we can do as fans, except just accept it, concentrate on the team and our goals for the season

Well there seem to be numerous reliable sources suggesting otherwise. not only that, but it's better for me to think we have got a hope in getting rid of these c*nts.

[General Alonso]

Sorry, sorry....... its only $12 billion according to their official site. But like i said that DIC, not Dubai holdings.

http://dubaiholding.com/en/our-companies/dubai-international-capital/

Abu Dhabi has oil, Dubai doesnt, hence the huge difference.

According to this the soverign wealth fund 'Dubai World' has got assets of $100 billion (there's a table further down on the page). What the relationship is to Dubai Holdings, DIC etc, or whether Sheikh Maktoum can get his paws on it is anyones guess. Also bear in mind that it's wiki so not 100% reliable.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

Very sadly some top players will pick city...this is serious money...we couldn't get Barry to hand in a transfer request in case he lost money.

100k and 200k is 20M over a four year deal..serious money.

why did torres join us for a £500k per annum paycut when he could have got far more at chelsea, likewise kaka when he was on the verge of going to milan got a larger offer from chelsea but refused.

there will be torres's and kaka's who you want in your team, and mercenaries like robinho and mikel who want to line their pockets and will go to the highest bidder. would you prefer to have 3 torres' or 8 robinho's?

[won ton]

it really doesnt matter, once your in the multi billions it almost becomes irrelevant either way DIC or dubai holdings could service a debt have a stadium built and still make us competitive in the league financially without this sell to buy bollocks.  The future safety of the club is more important than signing some greedy bastard who can do step overs

[west_london_red]

Also, what makes other investors so great? I mean it was us wasnt it that gave Hicks and Gillett warm welcomes, with usa flags and said how they were better than DIC..

dont know what we can do, but i wont be giving up.

Other investors have money, hopefully wont lie at every opportunity and drag the name of this club through shite..... theres plenty of posts outlining why DIC are better then G&H, not going to repeat them all.

[tomtom]

I think its got to the stage now where people have to accept that Hicks and Gillett are here to stay for a longtime.

They have done all in their power to get expensive loans and have made it clear that they dont want to sell (well Hicks doesnt). Our manager gets on with Hicks and is firmly in his camp.

Thus, we have to accept it. There is nothing we can do about it. It would have been nice to get DIC in, but thanks to the decision of our board, we didnt.

There is nothing we can do as fans, except just accept it, concentrate on the team and our goals for the season

I don't think its possible to draw this conclusion. Without a stadium their business plan is shot and with City stepping it up a gear, if we don't have money to spend next year and miss out on champions league G&H will find the going very tough.

[tomtom]

Well what can we do?

Obvious way is to do constant protests and boycott games. The latter is NEVER going to happen.

Also, what makes other investors so great? I mean it was us wasnt it that gave Hicks and Gillett warm welcomes, with usa flags and said how they were better than DIC..

They would be able to afford to build the stadium we so badly need if we are to compete.

[west_london_red]

And forgot to mention i certainly didnt welcom G&H, since I was inovative enough to use Google and look at the (non) success of their other clubs.

[LFCLife4Life]

I think its got to the stage now where people have to accept that Hicks and Gillett are here to stay for a longtime.

They have done all in their power to get expensive loans and have made it clear that they dont want to sell (well Hicks doesnt). Our manager gets on with Hicks and is firmly in his camp.

Thus, we have to accept it. There is nothing we can do about it. It would have been nice to get DIC in, but thanks to the decision of our board, we didnt.

There is nothing we can do as fans, except just accept it, concentrate on the team and our goals for the season

not a chance. we are liverpool. we will fight for the safety of our club. can your really see everyone accepting having the tumors at our club?

[juggso]

ahhhhh, just got in from work and read this thread, was over the moon, then as i read and read onwards, still feel like i did last week, im afraid my gut feeling is theyre hear to stay,    thanks for info sl i really hope ure right

[donniebrasco]

why did torres join us for a £500k per annum paycut when he could have got far more at chelsea, likewise kaka when he was on the verge of going to milan got a larger offer from chelsea but refused.

there will be torres's and kaka's who you want in your team, and mercenaries like robinho and mikel who want to line their pockets and will go to the highest bidder. would you prefer to have 3 torres' or 8 robinho's?

Yeh but 500k is a lot less than 5M a year as you were suggesting in your example.Kaka certainly earns very good money at Milan and may yet still move for more.
Of course i want the likes of Torres ahead of Robinho but let's be realistic..if you're talking about 20M over four years a lot of top players will not pick us when they might be earning 5M a year more elsewhere.Nice thought but it's unrealistic.This is mega money and it is a factor.

[rushyman]

If DIC did come in who here believes Benitez is the man to spend all the money?

Yes thats a blunt question but we have real problems off the pitch now.

Some of the football last year during all the crap with the yanks was neatly put to one side

Everyones busy having a go at the yanks but they dont manage the football and they didnt spend 20m on a 28 year old striker when we needed wingers

[LFCLife4Life]

One thing that does make me think its gonna get dragged out again is the price.

DIC will want to pay less due to the circumstances but G + H will still want a hefty profit.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

Yeh but 500k is a lot less than 5M a year as you were suggesting in your example.Kaka certainly earns very good money at Milan and may yet still move for more.
Of course i want the likes of Torres ahead of Robinho but let's be realistic..if you're talking about 20M over four years a lot of top players will not pick us when they might be earning 5M a year more elsewhere.Nice thought but it's unrealistic.This is mega money and it is a factor.

i've been doing a lot of research on the money being a factor for rich people, and generally speaking if they've got enough then it isn't a factor and other things become a big factor (such as likelihood of winning, lifestyle, climate of city). unless they have a humongous ego and they must be the highest paid player in the world (and bearing in mind only one can be this) then money will be a factor.

i can't for the life of me imagine one of the big world superstars (by this i mean ronaldo, messi, kaka, gerrard, rooney, ronaldinho, nando, henry) will go to a club like man city where they are likely to be fighting it out for 4th whilst collecting a huge wage over a 'big 4' club where CL football is all but guaranteed - in fact when abramovich first went to chelsea they made bids for the likes of nesta, henry, shevchenko etc but did they come then - no, they had to settle for guys like duff, joe cole, veron - the only two who could be argued to be in the world superstar bracket were crespo and makelele, but makelele was hideously underpaid at madrid.

however, i can see a second-tier star (guys like diego, lucho gonzalez, huntelaar etc) going somewhere like man city though, as they don't quite have the financial security of an henry or a kaka and they may be more attracted to building up a great team pretty much from the ground up and be an integral part of that rather than being another guy at somewhere like man united or barca

If DIC did come in who here believes Benitez is the man to spend all the money?

yes - his record for signing £10m plus players is pretty good

[rushyman]

I think its got to the stage now where people have to accept that Hicks and Gillett are here to stay for a longtime.

They have done all in their power to get expensive loans and have made it clear that they dont want to sell (well Hicks doesnt). Our manager gets on with Hicks and is firmly in his camp.

Thus, we have to accept it. There is nothing we can do about it. It would have been nice to get DIC in, but thanks to the decision of our board, we didnt.

There is nothing we can do as fans, except just accept it, concentrate on the team and our goals for the season

Are you ready to accept weve had our time in the sun? That we are consigned to the history pages?

[donniebrasco]

What worries me is that these 2 may easily hawk us around to other buyers if they can make more money for themselves.There are no guarantees if they sell it will be to DIC.What if some other cowboys come along and offer them a better deal?

Their bottom line now is to maximise their return and not to find the most suitable owners for the club.

They could easily do what Moores did and take a higher offer from some c*nts instead of a lower offer from DIC.

[alex.]

Everyones busy having a go at the yanks but they dont manage the football and they didnt spend 20m on a 28 year old striker when we needed wingers

Let's get further into the season and then judge Rafa's purchases in the summer window

[James--5Star--Reds]

If DIC did come in who here believes Benitez is the man to spend all the money?

to be honest i would only get rid of Rafa if there was a proven manager out there available to manage the club, i don't know how i feel about whether or not Rafa is the right man anymore, yes he is a great manager althougth, his management style i'm not sore unless perfected is suited to the prem, however i would give him atleast 1 more season with good backinmg from the owners

[shelovesyou]

I think its got to the stage now where people have to accept that Hicks and Gillett are here to stay for a longtime.

They have done all in their power to get expensive loans and have made it clear that they dont want to sell (well Hicks doesnt). Our manager gets on with Hicks and is firmly in his camp.

Thus, we have to accept it. There is nothing we can do about it. It would have been nice to get DIC in, but thanks to the decision of our board, we didnt.

There is nothing we can do as fans, except just accept it, concentrate on the team and our goals for the season

Its that kind of attitude that gets you nowhere , no offence like ...............

[coffeehead]

According to this the soverign wealth fund 'Dubai World' has got assets of $100 billion (there's a table further down on the page). What the relationship is to Dubai Holdings, DIC etc, or whether Sheikh Maktoum can get his paws on it is anyones guess. Also bear in mind that it's wiki so not 100% reliable.

For those interested in the money issues the only thing to remember is that Dubai Holdings is the Daddy Company that owns all the other 20+ companies including DIC

[rushyman]

What worries me is that these 2 may easily hawk us around to other buyers if they can make more money for themselves.There are no guarantees if they sell it will be to DIC.What if some other cowboys come along and offer them a better deal?

Their bottom line now is to maximise their return and not to find the most suitable owners for the club.

They could easily do what Moores did and take a higher offer from some c*nts instead of a lower offer from DIC.

What strikes me is what do we all think DIC are in it for?

All this is just completely and utterly overblown Im starting to think. The mancs were in uproar over the exact same thing

Now 2/3 years later they are League and European Champions. An it wasnt because of or in spite of the directors

It was because of the management

The more perceptive on here know already we wont be winning the league this year or even challenging. And it nothing to do with the yanks

[Football CRAZY]

Thus, we have to accept it. There is nothing we can do about it. It would have been nice to get DIC in, but thanks to the decision of our board, we didnt.

There is nothing we can do as fans, except just accept it, concentrate on the team and our goals for the season

Well don't know about anyone else but I can't accept that. Maybe in 5 years time when we're sitting 6th or 7th and Man City have a couple of leagues and a CL, and United have surpassed us and Chelsea have won more and finally signed Gerrard. But damned if I'm giving up hope yet.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

It was because of the management

well...

ronaldo could have come here but houiller didnt want to spend £4m at the time
rooney would never have come here
ferdinand was far too expensive for us then
neville, giggs, scholes, brown, fletcher and o'shea were all youth team products
carrick was £18m - not worth than then or now
nani, hargreaves and anderson again were ridicuously overpriced
tevez cost £10m for an 18 month loan!
van der sar cost £2m, but is he a better buy at £2m when reina was £7m all things considered?

the only signing that we lost out on that you could possibly blame on rafa is vidic and possibly evra

[Ronanoman]

the only signing that we lost out on that you could possibly blame on rafa is vidic and possibly evra

Well Vidic rejected us, not much we could do about that probably. Our central defence is great anyway. Evra would have been nice though.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

Well Vidic rejected us, not much we could do about that probably. Our central defence is great anyway. Evra would have been nice though.

plus we got agger instead of vidic, so its hardly a bad situation we ended up in, although evra would be good, even with his growing pains in english football

[Ronanoman]

Let me say one thing though. Although DIC may be worth a 'petty' $15m, Dubai holdings is worth a hell of a lot more. Sheikh Mohammed owns 99.7% of Dubai Holdings, so if he is going to have an interest in the club, then it doesn't make a difference which branch of Dubai Holdings is purchasing the club. If necessary, our owners will have access to funds outside of the DIC branch. I am under the impression that this is how it would work although do correct me if I'm wrong.

[Football CRAZY]

The Sheik has more than $15bn on his own. These Arab consortiums and business factions spread themselves far and wide & have immediate access to basically unlimied funds. I've always been suspicious of how serious they are & how much they'd plump in, but the stance now is that they can't be worse than the yanks as far as putting money in. Rafa looked a broken man on sunday talking about how his last big signing of the summer was an £8m gamble from Espanyol.

[Ekul]

The Sheik has more than $15bn on his own. These Arab consortiums and business factions spread themselves far and wife & have immediate access to basically unlimied funds. At forst I wasn't sure how much they'd plump in, but the stance now is that they can't be worse than the yanks as far as putting money in. Rafa looked a broken man on sunday talking about how his last big signing of the summer was an £8m gamble from Espanyol.

He is worth $18billion I think. However, as you said, he has access to as much money as he needs.

[I Like Boobs]

Sorry, sorry....... its only $12 billion according to their official site. But like i said that DIC, not Dubai holdings.

http://dubaiholding.com/en/our-companies/dubai-international-capital/

No, you're misunderstanding this. It's not that they are 'worth' $12b', that is the value of their assets. That's just what they've splashed out on things.

People are misunderstanding the finances of these people. DIC are just a subsidiary of Dubai holdings. Dubai holdings, owned by the sheikh, is looking to invest 5 trillion, not billion but trillion, over the coming years.

They have so much money that the actual amount doesn't really make any difference.

Abu Dhabi has oil, Dubai doesnt, hence the huge difference.

It's not entirely true, 6% is accounted for by petroleum/gas - about 40b a year. Abu Dhabi is a richer place, the royals are probably richer, too - doesn't really matter though.

[Red_Rich]

Rafa looked a broken man on sunday talking about how his last big signing of the summer was an £8m gamble from Espanyol.

It all makes sense now.  Rafa has only prevented himself from walking (after the Barry non-transfer and small transfer kitty summer he's had) because he *knows* that the Yanks are on their way soon.

[JohnnyDrama]

It all makes sense now.  Rafa has only prevented himself from walking (after the Barry non-transfer and small transfer kitty summer he's had) because he *knows* that the Yanks are on their way soon.

No it's beacuse of the fans, he didn't walk beacuse he loves us fans.

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

It's not entirely true, 6% is accounted for by petroleum/gas - about 40b a year. Abu Dhabi is a richer place, the royals are probably richer, too - doesn't really matter though.

global oil supplies will run out relatively soon, plus many countries are trying to reduce their dependence on middle-eastern oil