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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #440 on: September 3, 2008, 12:55:53 PM »
If we had the DIC money and we sanctioned a bid for ronaldo would you like that for us.
No.

I would not like it if someone bought us and started to do what this lot at City are threatening to do. There is no pleasure in winning anything when you are the only team in with a chance of winning it. Number 19 would feel like a very hollow victory for me if we did it by simply buying up all the best players. In fact, my association with Liverpool Football Club as a life long supporter would probably end at that point.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #441 on: September 3, 2008, 01:00:21 PM »
Why do you say that? They have just bought one of the best players in the world from one of the biggest clubs in the world.

But we are talking about a player angry with the team (and the team angry with him), that was crying by phone to his president in order to leave and that hasn't proved anything in a competitive league (he wasn't taking place in the starting XI even)...

I would say that's not a big impact signing...
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #442 on: September 3, 2008, 01:03:15 PM »
Why come to England and have to throw stupid money at it and not necessarily win the league because other clubs owners are trying to out do each other when they can go buy a team in Yankee land and make them the best team in America.

Prestige.

I think investment is secondary (certainly in City's case). Everyone knows buying a Premier League club doesn't represent value for money, but being associated with the best league in the world is what they are after. It's all about branding their home countries and the English Premier is the most successfully branded league in the world.

Why do you think places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi spend millions fighting over Formula 1 races? They could host some Moto GP races if they wanted, but it's not what they're about. They want to be seen as elite, premier destinations.

Settling for some Yank side (or even an Italian one) defeats the object and would make them look like also rans without the cash to compete.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #443 on: September 3, 2008, 01:05:12 PM »
I personally think DIC are going to NOT buy us. Think about it G&H Have dicked them about for over a year. Now these guys have come in and bought city. These guys who have bought city even if they are talking crap with headlines such as blank cheque offers for van nistelrooy and £130m for Ronaldo they still forked out £30m+ for Robinho who hasn't really done that much of note for me. Yes i know that they wanted to make an impact but even still.

There going to escalate the prices of world football and if DIC come in then they are going to have to throw even more money at the club then they would have in the first place, just to compete with the new owners at city.
DIC seem to smart to me to waste money just to compete with another family.

i hate to say it but i reckon DIC will go and invest in a team in America or Italy (if they can get one off the mafia don's). Why come to England and have to throw stupid money at it and not necessarily win the league because other clubs owners are trying to out do each other when they can go buy a team in Yankee land and make them the best team in America. Yes not the same level of competition but the market is bigger in America because it's a developing and upcoming sport, they can build bigger stadiums in America and the marketing opportunities are better as well. Oh and the exchange rate will be better for them too.....

I personally think that this new take over at City is going to cause yet another chapter in the book of fuck ups by G&H as they messed them around too long and they'll just decide that maybe they don't want to buy us after all.

Then were stuck with owners we hate, who can't afford to sell, can't afford to invest and can't afford to expand.

I know i sound all doom and gloom but it's just what i can see happening.

You have said a lot of interesting things and we should all be worried.  Parry has put this club in a terrible position.  If I were DIC I would be pretty fed up with all what has been going on in Liverpool, the double dealing etc they more or less had the club and then they didn't.  I am surprised they were still willing to own the club with all the rubbish going on regarding Parry and the Americans.  I am a fan and I would have been hard pressed to stay.  If DIC do decide to go elsewhere then all I can say is thanks for trying, I am sure no fans here would blame them.  Although I would be peeved if they went to Everton.  (joke)

Also I don't know how much of a say players have whether they want to stay or not - if the Americans are offered 100+million for our top players then they may say yes although Gerrard and Torres wouldn't want to go they could be put under a lot of pressure within the club if they didn't - If owners are determined to sell players then we will do so whether a player wants to go or not.  It is certainly worrying times.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #444 on: September 3, 2008, 01:06:00 PM »
We wouldn't be the only team though as there is man city, chelsea and man utd with money.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #445 on: September 3, 2008, 01:19:01 PM »
I am also a fan and although we have tradition and a morale standing when it comes to not buying titles etc we need to face upto the fact that Chelsea and now City have the power to attain the best of the best to their clubs. which means unless Rafa is a master tactician in the league and can make us the best team without spending multi millions and also able to keep hold of our top players when the yanks would IMO cash in on them we are facing another 10yrs of not winning the league and also we would struggle in the champions league too.
So imo we need the DIC to buy us out and at least build us a great stadium clear our debt and secure our future and if they are willing to buy the best players in the world to play for the best and most successful club in the world then i am all for it.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #446 on: September 3, 2008, 01:54:07 PM »
Yes... Gerrard didnt go to Chelsea in the end, once he realised you cant replace Liverpool FC. Torres is of a similar mind, played for his hometown club now for a similar club. I honestly believe players like that have different agendas.

I refuse to believe every player can be bought by the promise of money and an all star cast.


I heard that City gave Robinho 3 times his salary at Real Madrid.

So do you honestly believe that Torres and Gerrard wouldn't go if they were offered three times what we could offer them. And do you think that Liverpool wouldn't sell Torres for £150M?

Everybody has their price.

The worrying thing is now City can do whatever it takes to get whoever they want.


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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #447 on: September 3, 2008, 02:05:34 PM »

I heard that City gave Robinho 3 times his salary at Real Madrid.

So do you honestly believe that Torres and Gerrard wouldn't go if they were offered three times what we could offer them. And do you think that Liverpool wouldn't sell Torres for £150M?

Everybody has their price.

The worrying thing is now City can do whatever it takes to get whoever they want.




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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #448 on: September 3, 2008, 02:18:05 PM »

I heard that City gave Robinho 3 times his salary at Real Madrid.

So do you honestly believe that Torres and Gerrard wouldn't go if they were offered three times what we could offer them. And do you think that Liverpool wouldn't sell Torres for £150M?

Everybody has their price.

The worrying thing is now City can do whatever it takes to get whoever they want.

I will have the utmost amount of respect for the first player that turns down their offer if it's trebling their salary.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #449 on: September 3, 2008, 02:19:16 PM »

Everybody has their price.


i dont agree.... i truly believe that some players have more important values. Its not like theyre getting poor at Liverpool.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #450 on: September 3, 2008, 02:20:13 PM »
its a fucking shame if we've all become so cynical that we think its only money that matters.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #451 on: September 3, 2008, 02:30:58 PM »
Prestige.

I think investment is secondary (certainly in City's case). Everyone knows buying a Premier League club doesn't represent value for money, but being associated with the best league in the world is what they are after. It's all about branding their home countries and the English Premier is the most successfully branded league in the world.

Why do you think places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi spend millions fighting over Formula 1 races? They could host some Moto GP races if they wanted, but it's not what they're about. They want to be seen as elite, premier destinations.

Settling for some Yank side (or even an Italian one) defeats the object and would make them look like also rans without the cash to compete.

My thoughts exactly. They could have set up a League in the Emirates and bought the best players but it would have been meaningless. It had to be a big club with some tradition, playing in the biggest/richest league.

I read an article this morning that highlighted a big difference between this takeover and others. In his interview, the Sheikh didn't mention the history and traditions of the club at all. It's clear it could have been any one of three or four clubs from their point of view. This is a vehicle for the promotion of Abu Dhabi and the success it might bring will be Abu Dhabi's success and the club & fans are incidental and way, way down the list of priorities.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #452 on: September 3, 2008, 02:32:15 PM »
No.

I would not like it if someone bought us and started to do what this lot at City are threatening to do. There is no pleasure in winning anything when you are the only team in with a chance of winning it. Number 19 would feel like a very hollow victory for me if we did it by simply buying up all the best players. In fact, my association with Liverpool Football Club as a life long supporter would probably end at that point.

I am sorry mate but give me a break. Not as old as yourself but still remember the days where we were always the top 2 spenders on players each year back in the late 70s / early 80s. Shyte how about the time we brought in Aldridge, Houghton, Beardsley & Barnes in one swoop, basically buying the best striker, support striker, winger and work dog in the league outside the top two clubs at the time. I dont see how you would drop your association with the club if & when a rich owner does come in as whatever he will do is what we have been doing since Day 1. Using our power & wealth to attract the best players to the club. Obviously the numbers have changed a bit where spending 8m-10m in one summer back in the 80s is now equivalent to 60m plus but just sign of the times. Share the wealth I say, let other teams have the chance to tap some Arab's wallet as I cannot see how we wont be in the same boat soon enough. We already are I guess with G&H but unfortunately for us we did not notice the words Titantic on their boat when they pulled in first to buy us.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #453 on: September 3, 2008, 02:37:49 PM »
its a fucking shame if we've all become so cynical that we think its only money that matters.

So what matters then ?

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« Reply #454 on: September 3, 2008, 02:39:33 PM »
I am sorry mate but give me a break. Not as old as yourself but still remember the days where we were always the top 2 spenders on players each year back in the late 70s / early 80s. Shyte how about the time we brought in Aldridge, Houghton, Beardsley & Barnes in one swoop, basically buying the best striker, support striker, winger and work dog in the league outside the top two clubs at the time. I dont see how you would drop your association with the club if & when a rich owner does come in as whatever he will do is what we have been doing since Day 1. Using our power & wealth to attract the best players to the club. Obviously the numbers have changed a bit where spending 8m-10m in one summer back in the 80s is now equivalent to 60m plus but just sign of the times. Share the wealth I say, let other teams have the chance to tap some Arab's wallet as I cannot see how we wont be in the same boat soon enough. We already are I guess with G&H but unfortunately for us we did not notice the words Titantic on their boat when they pulled in first to buy us.

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« Reply #455 on: September 3, 2008, 02:42:43 PM »
Our only power to get the best players is constantly winning the champions league or finally winning the premiership as we are skint.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #456 on: September 3, 2008, 02:53:17 PM »
I heard that City gave Robinho 3 times his salary at Real Madrid.

So do you honestly believe that Torres and Gerrard wouldn't go if they were offered three times what we could offer them. And do you think that Liverpool wouldn't sell Torres for £150M?

Everybody has their price.

The worrying thing is now City can do whatever it takes to get whoever they want.

That's not true, it was confirmed that he was given something like £75000 per week after tax. £4m per year. Maybe it was trebling but he was on a paltry wage if that's the case (well in comparison to his peers).

Yeah it is a concern that if a mega bid came in for Torres or Gerrard could we afford to reject, especially if we're talking 50-70m I mean how can you reject it, our best hope would lie with Torres himself telling them to sod off.

I also think 4th place is Arsenal's problem not ours  ;) let them fight it out.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #457 on: September 3, 2008, 02:53:48 PM »
I am sorry mate but give me a break. Not as old as yourself but still remember the days where we were always the top 2 spenders on players each year back in the late 70s / early 80s. Shyte how about the time we brought in Aldridge, Houghton, Beardsley & Barnes in one swoop, basically buying the best striker, support striker, winger and work dog in the league outside the top two clubs at the time. I dont see how you would drop your association with the club if & when a rich owner does come in as whatever he will do is what we have been doing since Day 1. Using our power & wealth to attract the best players to the club. Obviously the numbers have changed a bit where spending 8m-10m in one summer back in the 80s is now equivalent to 60m plus but just sign of the times. Share the wealth I say, let other teams have the chance to tap some Arab's wallet as I cannot see how we wont be in the same boat soon enough. We already are I guess with G&H but unfortunately for us we did not notice the words Titantic on their boat when they pulled in first to buy us.

I agree with that we shouldn't be fussy about who offers investment considering our current situation and compeition in the league, but I would hate to have someone who conducts themselves like Abu Dhabi have. It seems that from now on manchester city and what the club stood for will play second fiddle to promoting the Abu dabs, the fact they had the word united written on a city shirt shows how little they care about the actual club and its fans. To sum up how I feel, someone posted what I would want from our potential investors in another thread;

Firstly let me say that I look forward to Dubai holdings eventually removing the two yanks from our Club.

From everything that I've read and heard about the Sheik and his people I am quite confident that any takeover by him would be fantastic for us financially, but equally as importantly for me, they look to have a bit of decency about them.

The last thing I would want from any new owners would be statemants like that tit at Manchester City has been spouting. That was just obscene.

A simple,

"we intend to build a new stadium as quickly as possible, and back the manager in pursuit of his transfer targets. Thank you!"

is all I want from anyone coming in - then they can quietly do their stuff in the backroom. No doubt that will involve some personnel changes, but as long as its done outwith the media then I'm all for it.

I dont think we'll need to be spending hundreds of millions on players come January or thereafter. Its not Rafas style, and I honestly dont think it will be the Sheiks style.

I'm quite hopeful about our future at the moment. I might not agree with us having to go down this path, but as we have to, then hopefully it will be a relatively calm journey.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #458 on: September 3, 2008, 03:01:47 PM »
I am sorry mate but give me a break. Not as old as yourself but still remember the days where we were always the top 2 spenders on players each year back in the late 70s / early 80s. Shyte how about the time we brought in Aldridge, Houghton, Beardsley & Barnes in one swoop, basically buying the best striker, support striker, winger and work dog in the league outside the top two clubs at the time. I dont see how you would drop your association with the club if & when a rich owner does come in as whatever he will do is what we have been doing since Day 1. Using our power & wealth to attract the best players to the club. Obviously the numbers have changed a bit where spending 8m-10m in one summer back in the 80s is now equivalent to 60m plus but just sign of the times. Share the wealth I say, let other teams have the chance to tap some Arab's wallet as I cannot see how we wont be in the same boat soon enough. We already are I guess with G&H but unfortunately for us we did not notice the words Titantic on their boat when they pulled in first to buy us.
Allow me to explain.

You are talking about an altogether different era of football. Sure, we signed those players and we were one of the dominant clubs in the transfer market at the time but even then, when we broke transfer records were were not the most wealthy club and United in particular regulalry spent more than we did on transfers and other clubs made big signings too. Now, we are faced with an completely different situation and scenario. We are talking about multi Billionaires spending money until now unheard of, even with the Chelsea Abramovitch situation. For a club to publicly declare their intention to basically buy all the best players in the world and to talk openly about spending twice the previous market valuation for the 'best' player in the world (£130 million !!!!!) and to take that player from what would be their nearest rivals both geographically and competetively throws the whole game of football into a different dimension.

So I'll repeat myself. No I would not like it if Liverpool found themselves in a similar situation and if it ever were to happen it would be the end of football for me. I want to enjoy my football knowing we have done well to achieve what we have achieved and I'm sure there are a lot of people who would think similarly.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #459 on: September 3, 2008, 03:12:51 PM »
Dr Sulaiman Al-Fahim, head of the Abu Dhabi United Group, who have just bought Premier League club Manchester City, has revealed that he wants to bring in 18 players from the world’s elite to the Eastlands Stadium, according to reports.

Al-Fahim is understood to have told City boss Mark Hughes he can make €80million bids for FIFA World Player of the Year Kaka from AC Milan and Argentine International Lionel Messi at FC Barcelona, when the window opens again in January.

Also on the list are Spanish pair Fernando Torres and Cesc Fabregas of Arsenal along with Cristiano Ronaldo at local rivals Manchester United.

The ADUG spokesman also outlined another main objective of the group, which is to publicise the UAE and in particular Abu Dhabi to the Premiership.

“Our main objective is to publicise Abu Dhabi as a capital for sports, education and culture in the Middle East, in addition to giving the UAE people and residents the opportunity to train and interact with players from Manchester,” he told the worlds media.

Kaka, Messi, Torres, Ronaldo and Fabregas all in one article. Frightening the money they have.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #460 on: September 3, 2008, 03:18:27 PM »
Wankers made a bid on Torres on the last day. I knew Torres wont go, but if the run of results go as they did last season, then well lose all our best players sooner rather then later.

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« Reply #461 on: September 3, 2008, 03:27:18 PM »
“Our main objective is to publicise Abu Dhabi as a capital for sports, education and culture in the Middle East, in addition to giving the UAE people and residents the opportunity to train and interact with players from Manchester,” he told the worlds media.

Kaka, Messi, Torres, Ronaldo and Fabregas all in one article. Frightening the money they have.

He'll certainly publicise Abu Dhabi as a capital for sports, education and culture in the Middle East if he signs that lot.

If all this hype is to be believed DIC seem to missed their window.  Although, maybe DIC is the "conservative" faction, and Citey have just gone from one "thaksin shinawatra" to another version of the same.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #462 on: September 3, 2008, 03:29:21 PM »
So I'll repeat myself. No I would not like it if Liverpool found themselves in a similar situation and if it ever were to happen it would be the end of football for me. I want to enjoy my football knowing we have done well to achieve what we have achieved and I'm sure there are a lot of people who would think similarly.

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i was reading the man city forums to see how they are reacting to this and similar sentiments are being expressed there. Yes you have the muppets that cant see past the end of their noses and are drawing up player want lists but there's loads of city fans who are similarly worried over the state of the game and the long term effect.  This despite the fact they have been thoroughly shite for 30 odd years, yoyo'd up and down the divisions, skirted with bankruptcy, have books out called how utd ruined my life and now they have the opportunity to blow the league away financially and buy success and y'know what - its not what they want. funny that.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #463 on: September 3, 2008, 03:34:45 PM »
Allow me to explain.

You are talking about an altogether different era of football. Sure, we signed those players and we were one of the dominant clubs in the transfer market at the time but even then, when we broke transfer records were were not the most wealthy club and United in particular regulalry spent more than we did on transfers and other clubs made big signings too. Now, we are faced with an completely different situation and scenario. We are talking about multi Billionaires spending money until now unheard of, even with the Chelsea Abramovitch situation. For a club to publicly declare their intention to basically buy all the best players in the world and to talk openly about spending twice the previous market valuation for the 'best' player in the world (£130 million !!!!!) and to take that player from what would be their nearest rivals both geographically and competetively throws the whole game of football into a different dimension.

So I'll repeat myself. No I would not like it if Liverpool found themselves in a similar situation and if it ever were to happen it would be the end of football for me. I want to enjoy my football knowing we have done well to achieve what we have achieved and I'm sure there are a lot of people who would think similarly.

P.S I'm not THAT old either ;)

I agree, what Abu Dhabi are planning to do is what I would call unfair competition in the sport, investment on a scale that has not been seen before. Whilst clubs previously have, by and large, stood on there own two feet and bought players and funded wages through there own means, ticket sales, shirts sales and what not, these mega billionaires coming into football who are using it purely as a plaything or a PR vehicle have no upper limits on what they can spend. Because of this it is possiblility that a gap could emerge between the clubs who are funded to the hilt without the need to make profit and all the other clubs who are not funded this way.

If City can offer 200K+ for wages and 100's of millions for players, they WILL be the best team in the league most seasons, not because they have a great fanbase or the best manager (although they probably will have the best manager when they offer him a truckload of cash), it wil be because they are out of everyones league when it comes to money. This would ruin football for me, even if there was one or two other teams with similar investment, it would turn the league into a complete farce.

Wonder what the chances of a wage cap being introduced are?
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #464 on: September 3, 2008, 03:41:31 PM »
135m for Ronaldo...it's not 13.5m. The world has become crazy and something have to be done. But before those things are done, 4th place will be very very difficult. Not only we have the new Chelsea, we have Villa and Spurs who are richer than us. If the yanks don't leave we will have a downfall, and I am not quite confident even if DIC come in.

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« Reply #465 on: September 3, 2008, 03:41:57 PM »
I am sorry mate but give me a break. Not as old as yourself but still remember the days where we were always the top 2 spenders on players each year back in the late 70s / early 80s. Shyte how about the time we brought in Aldridge, Houghton, Beardsley & Barnes in one swoop, basically buying the best striker, support striker, winger and work dog in the league outside the top two clubs at the time. I dont see how you would drop your association with the club if & when a rich owner does come in as whatever he will do is what we have been doing since Day 1. Using our power & wealth to attract the best players to the club. Obviously the numbers have changed a bit where spending 8m-10m in one summer back in the 80s is now equivalent to 60m plus but just sign of the times. Share the wealth I say, let other teams have the chance to tap some Arab's wallet as I cannot see how we wont be in the same boat soon enough. We already are I guess with G&H but unfortunately for us we did not notice the words Titantic on their boat when they pulled in first to buy us.

Fair points but I do think this is substantially different. There have always been big clubs and there has never been a truly level playing field. But for many years the economic power and of a club was derived from its location. Big Cities around the world had big teams and the most powerful and populous cities economically tended to have the biggest. We were able to buy the best players because we were one of the biggest clubs in the country with the prestige and income to match.

I don't go with the whole "level playing field" thing. I see nothing wrong with a club in a major metropolis, with the ability to draw crowds in excess of 40 to 50,000 and a large number of potential corporate benefactors in the local population, being more successful than a club in a small town who can't attract more than 20,000 or so. The only reason for evening things up is if you divorce the clubs from their location and distribute television and other income evenly along with the players through a draft or salary cap. In my opinion, "evening things up" creates clubs which take nothing from their surroundings. You might as well have franchises like the NFL in America.

The first break from location was the flotations in the nineties. Clubs tarted themselves around on the stock exchange and let anyone who thought they could make a buck out of football buy a piece of the action. The other big break was the unholy alliance of the Premier League (which was laughingly brought into being to reduce the number of clubs and improve England's performance on the world stage) and Sky TV which made TV money as important, if not more important than attendances. But even through all of those changes location was a key factor in the success and economic power of the biggest clubs. Even Blackburn's title win was on the back of a local businessman with a passion for the club.

The Manchester City takeover is clearly not about "leveling the playing field" but in the long term it could have the same effect of creating franchises instead of clubs grounded in their location. City's new wealth has nothing to do with who they are or where they come from. Apart from the desire to own a big club, they could just as easily have bought Carlisle, Southampton or Ipswich, and pumped the money in with no need to worry about breaking even.

I suppose it's what has been needling me all the way through Liverpool's search for new investors. I don't have any problem with investment to finance developments like the new stadium, which would allow us to make the most of our status as one of the major clubs in England. To allow more fans to watch the club and maximise our match day income, coroporate income and sponsorship. I can honestly say that I have never wished for a sugar daddy who'd throw money at players in the way Abramovich did.

So I agree that you could say we "bought" titles by buying the best players in the seventies and eighties, but it was the club's money - the fans' money if you want - generated through the crowds who turned up to support the team and local businessmen who identified with the club.

I think this could be worse for English football than Abramovich's takeover of Chelsea. At least he did it because he was passionate about football. He wanted to own a club and win things. Abu Dhabi want publicity and prestige - it's a marketing exercise with a club attached. If they win the League and/or a European Cup it could be the beginning of the end for local clubs and herald the introduction of franchises in the truest sense.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #466 on: September 3, 2008, 04:03:36 PM »
Great post Alan.

I have been mulling over what could be done to level the playing field all day, I don't think its worth me losing much sleep over though, no doubt Sky and the FA will be creaming themselves at the thought of all the superstars coming into city... "The best league in the world" and all that crap, without any regard for the rest of the teams in the league and the national team. Happy days.

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« Reply #467 on: September 3, 2008, 04:19:13 PM »
To be honest i think Man City will struggle to attract the best players in the world for the first few years. Ronaldinho and Berbatov are examples of how club history and status still matters.

Robinho was a weird situation as he really wanted to leave and had very few options on the final day. Chelsea struggled to get the very biggest names in the first few years and they had the same money doesn't matter attitude.

It's going be an interesting summer next year.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #468 on: September 3, 2008, 04:24:40 PM »
Im not worrying about anyone below us just yet

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #469 on: September 3, 2008, 04:43:35 PM »
Have you guys seen any decent articles about city's takeover?
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #470 on: September 3, 2008, 04:57:51 PM »
The emergence of a fifth big club may not be as bad as it looks. The yanks bought us because they saw the money available in the champions league, with the big four more-or-less guaranteed a place. If it does become a "big 5" then it no longer is guaranteed to get a place, so they (hopefully) decide to cash in and get out of our club.

Personally, I'd be amazed if Robinho is still at City at the start of next season.

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« Reply #471 on: September 3, 2008, 05:05:01 PM »
Kaka, Messi, Torres, Ronaldo and Fabregas all in one article. Frightening the money they have.

Just sounds like a joke, like Real Madrid's president's yearly talk out his arse conference of who he's going to tap up. Players won't all flock there - sure they can attract the best mercenaries, but surely even Ronaldo wouldn't go from Utd to City just for the money, or Messi leave Barca. If Fabregas was going to go anywhere I'm sure it would be Spain. And Torres and Kaka are nice boys with their heads on right.

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« Reply #472 on: September 3, 2008, 05:07:55 PM »
I can see your points Shanks & Alan as it will leave a wee bitter taste in opposing fans mouths to see some of the shyte going on but again I look back at the day when our spending powers were 3 or 4 times more than the midtable sides. Hard work & graft got us there and in many ways it will have to again. The additional influx of cash in the game may blow up in our face but I dont think these investors are going to come in today & leave tomorrow.

I also noted this comment  by Alan F "Abu Dhabi want publicity and prestige - it's a marketing exercise with a club attached.".....I see DIC's interest in us as no different. Alright they may be "fans" but no one is going to drop 400m plus on us plus an annual spend of 50m without expecting a return whether it be financially or their flagship in their portfolio that will attract further business down the road.

4th place in my eyes just became a lot more interesting. Let those who want to strive for that goal bring it on as we need to take the blinders off & accept that lowly goal for us the past 5 - 10 years is just not good enough.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #473 on: September 3, 2008, 05:15:51 PM »
To be honest i think Man City will struggle to attract the best players in the world for the first few years. Ronaldinho and Berbatov are examples of how club history and status still matters.

Robinho was a weird situation as he really wanted to leave and had very few options on the final day. Chelsea struggled to get the very biggest names in the first few years and they had the same money doesn't matter attitude.

It's going be an interesting summer next year.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #474 on: September 3, 2008, 05:23:00 PM »
I can't wait after the hooha has subsided...
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« Reply #475 on: September 3, 2008, 06:18:32 PM »
I can see your points Shanks & Alan as it will leave a wee bitter taste in opposing fans mouths to see some of the shyte going on but again I look back at the day when our spending powers were 3 or 4 times more than the midtable sides. Hard work & graft got us there and in many ways it will have to again. The additional influx of cash in the game may blow up in our face but I dont think these investors are going to come in today & leave tomorrow.

I also noted this comment  by Alan F "Abu Dhabi want publicity and prestige - it's a marketing exercise with a club attached.".....I see DIC's interest in us as no different. Alright they may be "fans" but no one is going to drop 400m plus on us plus an annual spend of 50m without expecting a return whether it be financially or their flagship in their portfolio that will attract further business down the road.

4th place in my eyes just became a lot more interesting. Let those who want to strive for that goal bring it on as we need to take the blinders off & accept that lowly goal for us the past 5 - 10 years is just not good enough.

What if DIC's intention is to build a stadium and invest a sensible amount in players over the years to ensure we remain competitive, thus filling the stadium and eventually making them a tidy return on their investment? If they did this it would still be the fans paying for transfers and wages and therefore our spending would be limited by the revenues from a 70,000+ seater stadium + other revenue.

Weren't there some documents or something found by a tabloid which said something along these lines, dunno where I've seen that though.

The problem I see is that it appears City will have a huge amount of money to spend that will eclipse that of any clubs being run for profit... which might be us. Question is can we compete with the City's and Chelsea's if they inflate the market beyond our spending limits? How powerful is money in the modern game?
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« Reply #476 on: September 3, 2008, 06:31:25 PM »
Are city officially a bigger club than chelsea now? brilliant :)
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« Reply #477 on: September 3, 2008, 07:17:20 PM »
I'm with Shanks 1965 on this.

I would hate it if Liverpool started buying ridiculous players (Messi, Ronaldo, Fabregas etc) from all over the world at 100m a throw. I really would and I think it would stop my enjoyment of the club.

We'd become like the Harlem Globe Trotters as opposed to a football club whose players you get to (metaphorically) know and grow with. Players like Michael Johnson who will end up a very very good player will be pushed to the side and why would you want that.

I want a balance. A fairly equal playing field but if it becomes billionaire v billionaire I don't think I'll be there. The impact of the fans and stucture of the club and buying policy becomes irrelevant.

I never was that arsed about a new stadium and I didn't want the Yanks at all but I can see the benefit and maybe the need for the stadium as it' gives natural measured growth for the club and would be earnt not given.

IF (big IG) the City thing works out as they say with Fantasy Manager type transfers, their supporters will be bored in 3 years. I would be and I really do mean that.

Good management and talent spotting should always be the cornerstone of any club's success not how rich your owners are. I don't want it for us. I am a Luddite but then there you go. I've always felt you enjoy what you work for more than what you're given and it feels better that way.

Part of the fun of being a fan is working out who is going to be a good/very good player. You can't do that with 100m players like Ronaldo. It takes the edge off it.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #478 on: September 3, 2008, 07:18:33 PM »
Football is a boring procession now, all about money and rich billionaire's raising their profiles. Supporters are sheep buying into the whole process. I switched off part way through last season, the first time since I was eight years old. The only way we can wrestle the game back from its current dire straits is to switch off.
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« Reply #479 on: September 3, 2008, 07:48:15 PM »
it could work out to our benefit  if you look on the positive side,its another team to take points off the other top three.could be the difference between us winning the league.lets be positive heh !
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