Topic: 4th place just became a lot more difficult

[Paul JH]

I am saying if we don't get atleast 4th G&H/we're fucked.

Indeed.

[redpride9]

Football has changed so much over the last decade, and we have failed to keep up thanks partly to Parry..

Our club needs new investors and quickly. 

[muyuu]

Amanda Staverley was one of the team in the take over at City, and has revealed that DIC STILL want to take over at Liverpool..........We wait and hope.

Then why haven't they? they have the money and who in his right mind thinks the yanks won't sell for big dough??

[Alf]

Everyone said the same when West Ham signed Tevez and Mascherano 2 years ago. Man City can't sign anybody else till January now. It's far from nailed on that they will finish in the top 4 and hopefully our own ownership problems will be over by then and we'll be able to compete with Chelsea and Man Utd in the transfer market as well.

[Shanks1965]

Everyone said the same when West Ham signed Tevez and Mascherano 2 years ago. Man City can't sign anybody else till January now. It's far from nailed on that they will finish in the top 4 and hopefully our own ownership problems will be over by then and we'll be able to compete with Chelsea and Man Utd in the transfer market as well.

Everyone said what? That West Ham were about to break into the top 4 because they signed 2 players? I don't think so.

[Rizla]

Everyone said the same when West Ham signed Tevez and Mascherano 2 years ago. Man City can't sign anybody else till January now. It's far from nailed on that they will finish in the top 4 and hopefully our own ownership problems will be over by then and we'll be able to compete with Chelsea and Man Utd in the transfer market as well.

But the nature of those deals was that it was really seen as a temporary thing essentially [despite the claims at the time], they were loaned players and no money was paid

Man Citys owners are a lot richer than Magnusson and co, this isnt the same, long term, this is a much bigger threat I feel...I doubt they will finish in the top 4 this year but they arent going to go away

[Anyone...]

D.I.C will be in withing the next 21days,

When are QPR coming to the premiership. They are the ones with the real cash!!

[tomtom]

D.I.C will be in withing the next 21days,

When are QPR coming to the Premier League. They are the ones with the real cash!!

I dont think QPR will ever be a big club fortunatly.

[Alf]

I dont think QPR will ever be a big club fortunatly.

Between 1991-1995 they finished as London's top club on a regular basis. I remember them being linked with Roberto Baggio when he left Juventus.

Everyone said what? That West Ham were about to break into the top 4 because they signed 2 players? I don't think so.

Two in here and probably a lot more in this thread.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=141432.0

West Ham could come 4th though. . .

Cant believe this is happening.

What a coup for the hammers. Taken them from right underneath the Mancs's nose. They have no chance of keeping them permanatly after a year (£15 mil each apparently) and I would have thought that their wages would have been a problem.

But if they make the impact that everyones expecting then I can see west ham pushing 4th this season.

These signings could blow the Premier League race wide open. We've played west ham and they still have to play the Mancs and Chelsea.

[tomtom]

Between 1991-1995 they finished as London's top club on a regular basis. I remember them being linked with Roberto Baggio when he left Juventus.

Two in here and probably a lot more in this thread.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=141432.0

Doesn't really prove anything though does it? Whats happening at City is completely different and I missed the word 'again' off my post.

[harleydanger]

Money doesn't buy you success, but it does make success a lot harder for those you are competing with.

[bellyred]

It is very scary to think that in the january transfer window City will bid big big money for all the top stars and that includes Torres and Gerrard so if they bid i don't know £150+ million for them both the yanks will bite their arms off. Then we will be fucked because the money would just go into their pockets and Rafa would walk away from the club for selling them and the club will sink into obscurity.

[Macedonian_Red]

It is very scary to think that in the january transfer window City will bid big big money for all the top stars and that includes Torres and Gerrard so if they bid i don't know £150+ million for them both the yanks will bite their arms off. Then we will be fucked because the money would just go into their pockets and Rafa would walk away from the club for selling them and the club will sink into obscurity.

[cheapskate]

But a player still has to agree to a move, and i honestly dont think any of our players would move. Certainly not the irreplaceable ones.

Its all hypothetical anyway.

[Fanxxxxtastic]

SSN are saying that Man City put a 50 million bid in for Torres just before the deadline.

January is going to be a nightmare expect bids for Gerrard and Torres and anyone else they take a fancy to.

Man City are going to be so hated.

[bellyred]

But a player still has to agree to a move, and i honestly dont think any of our players would move. Certainly not the irreplaceable ones.

Its all hypothetical anyway.

Even if they are offered massive salaries like say £250k per week to move to a club who will only buy the best players for them to play with ?

[cheapskate]

Yes... Gerrard didnt go to Chelsea in the end, once he realised you cant replace Liverpool FC. Torres is of a similar mind, played for his hometown club now for a similar club. I honestly believe players like that have different agendas.

I refuse to believe every player can be bought by the promise of money and an all star cast.

[bellyred]

Maybe your right but I do hope that DIC get the club so we have the finances to build the new stadium and compete for players without selling first.

[cheapskate]

We defo need a new stadium, so i'd like to see DIC come in. But i feel uneasy about the whole foreign owners affair. Not just at our club either. I suppose they cant be any worse than the yanks.

[Shanks1965]

Money doesn't buy you success, but it does make success a lot harder for those you are competing with.

Yes it does, Chelsea are living proof that if you have enough of it you can turn an average no threat to anyone club into being a penalty miss away from being European Champions.

[tomtom]

It would be ridiculous if city managed to buy any top players from the big 4 at the moment and if they did I think there would be an outrage, but I'm sure there will be plenty of 2nd tier players who are looking to make the step up who will see City as the next Chelsea...

I dont like this whole thing where teams have unlimited funds, how are regular clubs supposed to compete if City become like Chelsea, yet with more money, people say money and superstar players won't guarentee success but its fairly easy to guarentee success, you just get one of the best managers. Moureen seemed to do quite well at Chelsea.

[bellyred]

Thing is Abromovic is worth about £11.5 billion and the guy who just bought City is worth £555.0 billion (thats 1 Trillion dollars), plus every time Oil goes up in the US by $1 he makes $500 million a day.

So they will not stop until they get who they want.

[cheapskate]

Oil wil run out one day!

[red_til_i_die]

I personally think DIC are going to NOT buy us. Think about it G&H Have dicked them about for over a year. Now these guys have come in and bought city. These guys who have bought city even if they are talking crap with headlines such as blank cheque offers for van nistelrooy and £130m for Ronaldo they still forked out £30m+ for Robinho who hasn't really done that much of note for me. Yes i know that they wanted to make an impact but even still.

There going to escalate the prices of world football and if DIC come in then they are going to have to throw even more money at the club then they would have in the first place, just to compete with the new owners at city.
DIC seem to smart to me to waste money just to compete with another family.

i hate to say it but i reckon DIC will go and invest in a team in America or Italy (if they can get one off the mafia don's). Why come to England and have to throw stupid money at it and not necessarily win the league because other clubs owners are trying to out do each other when they can go buy a team in Yankee land and make them the best team in America. Yes not the same level of competition but the market is bigger in America because it's a developing and upcoming sport, they can build bigger stadiums in America and the marketing opportunities are better as well. Oh and the exchange rate will be better for them too.....

I personally think that this new take over at City is going to cause yet another chapter in the book of fuck ups by G&H as they messed them around too long and they'll just decide that maybe they don't want to buy us after all.

Then were stuck with owners we hate, who can't afford to sell, can't afford to invest and can't afford to expand.

I know i sound all doom and gloom but it's just what i can see happening.

[bellyred]

1 trillion thats $1,000,000,000,000. WOW that's deep pockets

[Anyone...]

1 trillion thats $1,000,000,000,000. WOW that's deep pockets

Tramps 

[bellyred]

I can't see anywhere at all that DIC are putting in a new bid for the club I have looked all over the internet including Arab news and papers etc and seen nothing but old news when deals collapsed last season so if the news is out there please share your findings.

[bellyred]

found one report
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/2672915/Liverpool-the-subject-of-fresh-Dubai-bid---Football.html

[tomtom]

found one report
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/2672915/Liverpool-the-subject-of-fresh-Dubai-bid---Football.html

Dunno if you know but there's a thread about it in off the pitch, think there's some info in there from SL and the woman who sorted the City deal.

[Crazynumber9]

What pisses me off is that they only valued him at 50mil and the ladyboy at 160mil   

[Fanxxxxtastic]

What pisses me off is that they only valued him at 50mil and the ladyboy at 160mil   

It must be pissing off Chelsea players even more that haven't been talked about at all.

[Vintage Nerd]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article4663786.ece

[NickoH]

It must be pissing off Chelsea players even more that haven't been talked about at all.

Frank must really be pissed off on £151,000 a week.......

[scutty]

Oil wil run out one day!

Life without baby oil 


NEVER!!!

[ShanksLad]

I personally think DIC are going to NOT buy us. Think about it G&H Have dicked them about for over a year. Now these guys have come in and bought city. These guys who have bought city even if they are talking crap with headlines such as blank cheque offers for van nistelrooy and £130m for Ronaldo they still forked out £30m+ for Robinho who hasn't really done that much of note for me. Yes i know that they wanted to make an impact but even still.

There going to escalate the prices of world football and if DIC come in then they are going to have to throw even more money at the club then they would have in the first place, just to compete with the new owners at city.
DIC seem to smart to me to waste money just to compete with another family.

i hate to say it but i reckon DIC will go and invest in a team in America or Italy (if they can get one off the mafia don's). Why come to England and have to throw stupid money at it and not necessarily win the league because other clubs owners are trying to out do each other when they can go buy a team in Yankee land and make them the best team in America. Yes not the same level of competition but the market is bigger in America because it's a developing and upcoming sport, they can build bigger stadiums in America and the marketing opportunities are better as well. Oh and the exchange rate will be better for them too.....

I personally think that this new take over at City is going to cause yet another chapter in the book of fuck ups by G&H as they messed them around too long and they'll just decide that maybe they don't want to buy us after all.

Then were stuck with owners we hate, who can't afford to sell, can't afford to invest and can't afford to expand.

I know i sound all doom and gloom but it's just what i can see happening.

I think this will drive home to them no, more than ever before - that they simply cannot compete. This situation goes way beyond having 15,000 more seats in your stadium. They just don't have the power to spend, or to even borrow money any more and it's been evident for a while that they are just treading water.

I'm hopeful that DIC will still be able to come in and save us.. and we can just get past this ownership and forget about it like a bad dream. Then all we have to hope is that football players still have some integrity and don't go and play for City. Which if they have any sense, they won't.

[Shanks1965]

It would be ridiculous if city managed to buy any top players from the big 4 at the moment and if they did I think there would be an outrage, but I'm sure there will be plenty of 2nd tier players who are looking to make the step up who will see City as the next Chelsea...

Why do you say that? They have just bought one of the best players in the world from one of the biggest clubs in the world. The only reason any of the 'current' top 4 wouldnt sell to them would be because they wouold be selling to a rival but if they are serious about the sort of money they are prepared to pay then how could (for example) Man United turn down £130m for Ronaldo? Imagine if they came in with similar outlandish offers for Torres and Gerrard as has already been said they might do.

[tomtom]

It must be pissing off Chelsea players even more that haven't been talked about at all.

I'd be surprised if City don't put in a bid for Lampard. After all, he was the best midfielder in Europe last year... 

[bellyred]

If we had the DIC money and we sanctioned a bid for ronaldo would you like that for us.

[Shanks1965]

Oil wil run out one day!

What difference will that make? The fortune is already amassed and growing by the hour even without any more money from oil. Besides, oil may run out one day but we probably wont be around when it does.

[tomtom]

Why do you say that? They have just bought one of the best players in the world from one of the biggest clubs in the world. The only reason any of the 'current' top 4 wouldnt sell to them would be because they wouold be selling to a rival but if they are serious about the sort of money they are prepared to pay then how could (for example) Man United0 turn down £130m for Ronaldo? Imagine if they came in with similar outlandish offers for Torres and Gerrard as has already been said they might do.

Well I don't think it would be a very wise move from any of the big 4, think about, if we sold Gerrard and Torres to City (Considering other signings they will be likely to make) we might as well give up the champions league spot without a fight. For these reasons I cannot see the big 4 selling top names to City, but I think City will have more luck with players from abroad because they don't pose a direct threat to them.