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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #320 on: September 2, 2008, 12:31:58 PM »
What a difference a few days make.

Man city looked skint.

Then it looked like the mancs were going to get burnt with berba instead Manchester City do chelsea instead.

Now we are worrying about CL places.

I think if they hadnt realised it already G & H will now know that they have bought a financial pup in LFC.

Without massive investment in a new ground, players and the business G & H have not got a succesful investment.

Even with the above its a huge gamble that they wont personally take.

Its pointless for G & H to continue their ownership and they must even now be ramping up their efforts to sell.

Unforrtunatley as the transfer window closes it probably means we are going to be speculated about again by the media because they ahve nothing better to write.

How long before gerrard and torres to Manchester City stories appear.

I think a lot of fans are still hoping DIC will come to our rescue, but will DIC buy us now?

If I was DIC isnt Manure would be a more attractive investment then we are and the glazers must realise they they may be in the same boat as G & H eventually and would be happy to sell at a healthy profit.

Hopefully Manchester City`s new owners proves that there are other avenues we havent even explored yet.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #321 on: September 2, 2008, 12:32:09 PM »
Ok i don't disagree but do you want to play for 4th,5th every season or see us buying crap players to make up the numbers, It is not about football in general that has gone now it's about having the cash to compete with the likes of united chelsea and now city. Yes we have spent big the last 2 seasons but the problem is not being able to add more top quality to the squad because we have no money left. Next season when City spend about £150+million on players and chelsea spend what ever it takes to keep up with them and united who now just add a top player a season because they are good enough now not to spend to much We will be forced into battling for the UEFA cup places then we will lose Gerrard and Torres and so on until we are non contenders every year.

Simple really every team in the league needs a very rich powerful owner so the battle for players and titles becomes even again and then it will be about the tactics etc.

No go up the page an read my post, this is not a viable solution.

Every club cannot have rich owners because they're arn't enough people with billions and billions who are willing to basically piss it up the wall on premiership football.

DIC and the Glazers are not like this, they want to make profit, therefore anything we or the mancs do in the transfer market will eventually be paid for by us, the fans.

The Abu Dhabi's of this world are here to flex financial muscle and make a name for themselves (As the poster above said, its like a cock measuring contest), they have ridiculous amounts which we as fans cannot compete with, its a losing battle. The only realistic way to achieve a level playing field and make it about tactics and management again is to go about it in the opposite way, take the sugar daddies out of the game and make football clubs stand on there own two feet.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #322 on: September 2, 2008, 12:33:40 PM »
I agree that is the worst case scenario, but I think most of the people on these boards are aware that financial bobble of the PL will burst eventually, and only the clubs with stable revenue will be able to compete on the highest levels of the transfer market ...

What I expect from the possible new owners at LFC is building a new 70.000+ seats stadium (without new debts on the club) and increased marketing profile of our club around the world ... Than would make us serious players in the transfer market on permanent basis ...

To be honest, if we're going to improve on 3rd/4th place finishes, at all we're going to need all those things and more, which most people probably know, is exactly what the Americans can't do.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #323 on: September 2, 2008, 12:35:14 PM »
I agree that is the worst case scenario, but I think most of the people on these boards are aware that financial bobble of the PL will burst eventually, and only the clubs with stable revenue will be able to compete on the highest levels of the transfer market ...

What I expect from the possible new owners at LFC is building a new 70.000+ seats stadium (without new debts on the club) and increased marketing profile of our club around the world ... Than would make us serious players in the transfer market on permanent basis ...

But Abu Dhabi don't really care if the 'financial bubble' of the Premier League bursts - Where as DIC certainly would. The money from Sky, attendances etc means absolutly nothing to Abu Dhabi. They see City as a PR vehicle to get them noticed through the most popular sport in the most popular league in the world.

Its us who would be worst off in this scenario im afraid.

And in the meantime what if more competition of this sort comes in and inflates the market so we struggle to compete even with the increased revenue of 70,000+ fans in the stadium? Theres 2 reckless billionaires in the league already, how many more can we compete against before we end up out of the champions league and out of the money and in deep shit?
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #324 on: September 2, 2008, 12:39:38 PM »
Liverpool was bankrupt in our glory days but it still didn't stop us dominating the sport!

Ok we are skint, we don't have a new stadium and our team is not the best in the world but in adveristy we have to come out fighting, its what we do. Its what part of being a lfc fan is all about! We can't choose our owners, we can't pick the strating eleven we can only go and support the boys and our manager and just hope that our time will come.

Torres and stevie are not money men type of players both could leave for more money, but what they want is to be in a good footballing liverpool side! Rafa has had decent backing now is the time for us all as a family to deliver and fcuk the money men!!


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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #325 on: September 2, 2008, 12:39:41 PM »
But Abu Dhabi don't really care if the 'financial bubble' of the Premier League bursts - Where as DIC certainly would. The money from Sky, attendances etc means absolutly nothing to Abu Dhabi. They see City as a PR vehicle to get them noticed through the most popular sport in the most popular league in the world.

Its us who would be worst off in this scenario im afraid.

No-one really has money to burn ... And there is one thing you should know about the rich Arabs ... They hate to lose and they are not very patient people ...

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #326 on: September 2, 2008, 12:47:18 PM »
No-one really has money to burn ... And there is one thing you should know about the rich Arabs ... They hate to lose and they are not very patient people ...

They have something like 700 billion but this is not a profit making investment.

Inevesting in sport like premier league football achieves want they want, publicity. Just because they make a financial loss in the league itself doesn't necassarily mean they are not achieving what the actually want. The guy has said this is why they are going to plow money into city, he has even said that the revenues from football are irrelevant to them, the income of other financial interests eclipse that of football massively.


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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #327 on: September 2, 2008, 12:48:36 PM »

Players sold to fund most deals and the rest has come from bank loans ....

Yes but the point is that these are the sort of players and prices that we could only dream of 18 months ago.

The poster I was replying to was on about quality signings, not finances, loans and all that stuff. That's what I was replying to, not finances loans and all that guff.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #328 on: September 2, 2008, 12:54:43 PM »
They have something like 700 billion but this is not a profit making investment.

Inevesting in sport like premier league football achieves want they want, publicity. Just because they make a financial loss in the league itself doesn't necassarily mean they are not achieving what the actually want. The guy has said this is why they are going to plow money into city, he has even said that the revenues from football are irrelevant to them, the income of other financial interests eclipse that of football massively.


I know all of this, yet I am still willing to put a bet that City will turn into an even bigger joke in the next 2-3 seasons ... Those statements from the new City owners are actually very dangerous for the club ... In the same way Abramovich is a danger to Chelsea's long term existence ...

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #329 on: September 2, 2008, 12:56:45 PM »
Interresting. Makes sense. One problem with this though... Trying to get to the top level of football will be impossible for nearly all Clubs except for those in the Premier League.


And that's different to now how?
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #330 on: September 2, 2008, 01:04:32 PM »
Fuck Gillett & Hicks, even ROnald Mcdonald can do a fkn better job..
Why did we not accept the takeover bod by that dubai club..why oh why...maybe because rafa knows hell get sacked....althoguh hes a good manager, there are alot of people in liverpool backstage, with huge ego issues..
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #331 on: September 2, 2008, 01:04:33 PM »
Thats a fucking ridiculous theory becuase not all rich people want to own football clubs and so there will b a few top clubs and lots of shit ones, why not reverse it and make it a level playing field by forcing all clubs to be self suffiecent. Makes much more sense.


And is also completely impossible to achieve.  The horses have already bolted.  Best thing now is to hope that as many minted people as possible get involved in the premiership in order to reduce the impact of money at the top table.  If you had something like 6-8 clubs who were genuinely minted, then you'd have competition between those clubs that was based on all of the aspects of a club other than money, which we can all agree is what we want.  Is that shit for the other 94 clubs in the English leagues?  Yes.  But I ask again, how is that really that different than the current situation?
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #332 on: September 2, 2008, 01:07:13 PM »
And that's different to now how?

Its fucking stupid logic. There arn't football loving sugar daddies on every corner you know. The gap between the haves and the have nots would become massive.

Limiting clubs to there own financial means provides a much more even playing field.

Edit: So your happy with the way its going, a cock measuring contest. He with the most money will win? Whats more only the clubs with these mega rich owners will compete? That sounds fucking shite. I'm sure the FA have the authority to create new rules before the league goes down the toilet.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #333 on: September 2, 2008, 01:07:41 PM »
And I think city have made a good choice with robinho....as long as its not Chelsea buying players from every club... using money wisely, usefully, that's how you get the job done... Liverpool need funding....now...it hasnt achieved much with its name...money money money money money money money money mooooneeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #334 on: September 2, 2008, 01:15:08 PM »
And what happens to one of these clubs when the owners pulls the plug?

If I were a City or Chelsea fan I'd be very wary, it won't last forever and there likely to have a huge wage bill at the end of it all.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #335 on: September 2, 2008, 01:27:05 PM »
To think we were linked with Al-Fahim. I feel sick, makes me hate those yanks even more.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #336 on: September 2, 2008, 01:27:49 PM »
Its fucking stupid logic. There arn't football loving sugar daddies on every corner you know. The gap between the haves and the have nots would become massive.

Who needs them on every corner?  As I said, you only need 6-8 of them.


Limiting clubs to there own financial means provides a much more even playing field.


And how do you achieve that, please?  Especially because you would have to achieve this across football around the world, not just in one league?  It is impossible.  American sport achieves it only because they have franchises and there are no competing leagues globally for American football, baseball, ice hockey and basketball - actually, even now the salary cap in basketball is being challenged because it is clear that teams in Europe are willing to throw big numbers at LeBron James, Bryant, etc to attract them away from the NBA.


Edit: So your happy with the way its going, a cock measuring contest. He with the most money will win? Whats more only the clubs with these mega rich owners will compete? That sounds fucking shite. I'm sure the FA have the authority to create new rules before the league goes down the toilet.


That's the point, though.  He with the most money won't win.  Because there will come a point where money is no longer the differentiating factor amongst the top 6-8 clubs.  It'll be about quality of support, training methods, development of young kids, tactics, etc.  And that would be a great thing.  Who cares if the top 8 clubs all buy 16-year olds for £20m, the challenge then becomes to see who (a) scouted the kids best, and (b) can develop them into top class footballers.  If we get to that point then we will have come full circle back to football before money got out of control.

Oh, and the FA have no control of this.  Only FIFA can impose a salary cap or something like that (because it would need to govern all leagues), and FIFA are completely in the pockets of the big clubs.  Oh, and you'd also then just get a rival association formed which would buy the best players and pay them unlimited money, and you'd be rigth back to here again.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #337 on: September 2, 2008, 01:29:24 PM »
And what happens to one of these clubs when the owners pulls the plug?

If I were a City or Chelsea fan I'd be very wary, it won't last forever and there likely to have a huge wage bill at the end of it all.


Agreed.  That's the risk that the clubs are taking, unfortunately.  But as I said, you're arguing against this as if there is any way to stop it.  My point is that you can't, but that it may not result in football imploding - it may in fact end up in better and more interesting competition at the top of the club game based on factors other than money.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #338 on: September 2, 2008, 01:45:09 PM »
So is a boycott organized yet ???
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #339 on: September 2, 2008, 02:16:20 PM »
1st to 2nd to 3rd to 4th to ...

Money ... no money
Investment ... no investment
Bad/skint owners ... Brilliant/cash-flushed owners

Whatever, whichever ... Through wind and rain ... I will still be rooting for my Liverpool whether we're 1st or we're 1st from bottom

You are welcome to join me.

You do have the option though to support Man City ... a decent enough team, with one of the best set of youth players (and now with Richards, Kompany, Johnson, Elano, Jo and Robinho). I am personally happy for them and them fans. Wishing them (sincerely) an everlasting relationship with their new owners ...

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #340 on: September 2, 2008, 02:24:16 PM »
Who needs them on every corner?  As I said, you only need 6-8 of them.

And how do you achieve that, please?  Especially because you would have to achieve this across football around the world, not just in one league?  It is impossible.  American sport achieves it only because they have franchises and there are no competing leagues globally for American football, baseball, ice hockey and basketball - actually, even now the salary cap in basketball is being challenged because it is clear that teams in Europe are willing to throw big numbers at LeBron James, Bryant, etc to attract them away from the NBA.


That's the point, though.  He with the most money won't win.  Because there will come a point where money is no longer the differentiating factor amongst the top 6-8 clubs.  It'll be about quality of support, training methods, development of young kids, tactics, etc.  And that would be a great thing.  Who cares if the top 8 clubs all buy 16-year olds for £20m, the challenge then becomes to see who (a) scouted the kids best, and (b) can develop them into top class footballers.  If we get to that point then we will have come full circle back to football before money got out of control.

Oh, and the FA have no control of this.  Only FIFA can impose a salary cap or something like that (because it would need to govern all leagues), and FIFA are completely in the pockets of the big clubs.  Oh, and you'd also then just get a rival association formed which would buy the best players and pay them unlimited money, and you'd be rigth back to here again.

All very good points, to be honest I was taking a stab in the dark at possible solutions.

My point is I don't like the idea of a football league in which the very top clubs are dictated solely by the wealth of their owners and nothing else.

Currently a club with decent support, the Newcastles of this world, do have a chance of breaking into the top 4. The champions league money makes it very, very hard, but it is possible, if the right club with the right manager comes along we could be pushed out.

However in the scenrio where there are a few mega rich clubs, everyone else will stand little chance because the gap in squad quality will become huge.

If this happens even if we do get a new stadium which seats 70,000+ thousand we could be in trouble if we arn't one of the lucky ones. Prices of players and wages will rise as the mega rich dominate the markets and pluck all the best players away from the less fortunate clubs, who will have a decision to make, do we charge our fans more and try and hold onto players? Or do we just give in and sell the players? The Stevie G's in 5 years could be demanding 200k+ a week, because thats what City are paying their top earners. So those without the money will ultimatly be forced into selling their best players.. Loyalty died along time ago in football.

I know this happens already in football but there is a limit to our spending, even the mancs have a limit. These clubs owned by the mega rich could be completely different and would be almost untouchable. We saw with Villa and Barry, at the moment smaller clubs with aspiration are currently able to say no and hold onto players, however I don't think City's new owners would have had much trouble buying Barry.

Your scenario where there are 6-8 rich owners seems unlikely. Will they have equal amounts of wealth and be willing to spend the same amounts? No. Some clubs will have more wealth than others and this will be governed solely by who their owner is.

If this did happen and we weren't one of the rich clubs Liverpool could end up being a mid table selling club who patiently await sugar daddy type investment and play in the champions league once in a blue moon before having all their brightest stars bought in the very next transfer window.


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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #341 on: September 2, 2008, 02:25:46 PM »
Its a crying shame, but the situation in the PL now is that you need a sugar daddy in charge, just to compete. We just cannot keep up with the top clubs any more and this summer has proven that.

Chelsea and Man Utd have been given 'carte blanch' to go out and sign any players they wanted. Chelsea were after Kaka. OK, he didn't leave Milan in the end, but you get the impression that the transfer fee would have been paid if the player was up for the move. The signed Bosingwa. This after paying regularly over £10m for defenders, one after the other. They got outwitted on Robinho, but again, I don't think it was about money. More likely Real Marid not fancying selling to a Champs League rival. Deco signed for a top fee, even though he is nearing the end of his career (Barry anyone?). Masses of cash on tap.

Man Utd. Paid out the Tevez cash at the start of the summer, and ended it by splashing out £30m on Fergie's top target, Bebatov. Only didn't spend any more because Fergie doen't want anyone else.

We on the other hand have had to 'nickle and dime' it all summer long. Selling to buy, and being refused money for our top target because it didn't represent a good enough investment.

Its clear that we do not have the cash to compete. Now there seems to be another big spender in Man City.

I hate to have to say this, but we need to sell out if we want to stay competitive. We need cash, and lots of it to get anywhere near winning the league.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #343 on: September 2, 2008, 02:29:41 PM »
Currently it is unsure exactly how much they have, the figure of $650-875 billion in assests is for the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority and it is yet unclear whether or not they are involved in the deal done by Abu Dhabi United Group Investment and Development.

If indeed they are then they have become the worlds richest club by a long way.

So now the real worry, this morning they have stated their 3 main transfer targets:  Christiano Ronaldo, Cesc Fabregas and Fernando Torres.

Lofty goals for sure however I have to question that if offered something ridiculous like 60 Million+ would g&h bite their hands off?
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #344 on: September 2, 2008, 02:38:14 PM »
As I said, City will soon become the joke of the PL ...

http://www.premiershiplatest.com/news/manchester-city-120million-ronaldo-next--5513652.html

How is this a joke? They have a huge amount of capital and are stating their intent, did I dream the singing of Robinho for 32 million? Perhaps they will fail to get players such as Ronado from a club like united, but Torres? If they offered something ridiculous for him you think G&H would say no? I'm not too sure. What's more there are plenty of players who will flock to city as soon as they break into the champions league and there are plenty of clubs who will sell top players for the right amount. Chelsea have already proved this.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #345 on: September 2, 2008, 02:58:57 PM »
How is this a joke? They have a huge amount of capital and are stating their intent, did I dream the singing of Robinho for 32 million? Perhaps they will fail to get players such as Ronado from a club like united, but Torres? If they offered something ridiculous for him you think G&H would say no? I'm not too sure. What's more there are plenty of players who will flock to city as soon as they break into the champions league and there are plenty of clubs who will sell top players for the right amount. Chelsea have already proved this.

Even if they do have the capital (and I agree they do), giving 120 million for a single player to a rival is a suicide ...

Lets say they offer 120 million for C.Ronaldo and Ferguson accepts ... Yes, City will become stronger, but Ferguson would be able to sign at least 3 world class players (40 million each) with that money and the gap will get wider in United's favor ...

The fact they even contemplate such audacious bids to PL rival shows how little they know about football ...

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #346 on: September 2, 2008, 03:10:28 PM »
From Skysports.......

"Al-Fahim had previously been linked with takeovers of Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle, but it is City who are set to benefit from his considerable financial resources."

Pity he didn't choose LFC.

We need to get the new stadium and get a steady flow of revenue.

We also need to bring some good new talent up through the youth ranks.

However (unfortunately) we need somebody with deep pockets to compete.

Maybe in 5 years time it will all revert to normal and the mega rich will leave the PL alone.......let's hope so as we need more British and Irish players getting a chance rather than buying the best in the world.

When the dust settles and the rich leave then some teams will fall a long way with their huge wage bills. Chelsea will be the next Leeds as will City. That's why it's also important to have a good youth team who will come through when the money dries up.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #347 on: September 2, 2008, 03:16:14 PM »
I fear we will never win a League again unless we swap DIC for the Yanks. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United and Man City all have plenty of cash to spare and we well you know.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #348 on: September 2, 2008, 03:17:36 PM »
I fear we will never win a League again unless we swap DIC for the Yanks. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United and Man City all have plenty of cash to spare and we well you know.
It's not like we didn't spend millions this summer, is it?
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #349 on: September 2, 2008, 03:18:56 PM »
I fear we will never win a League again unless we swap DIC for the Yanks. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United and Man City all have plenty of cash to spare and we well you know.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #350 on: September 2, 2008, 03:19:16 PM »
It's not like we didn't spend millions this summer, is it?

Not really, we had to sell first.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #351 on: September 2, 2008, 03:21:38 PM »
Not really, we had to sell first.

Our net spend was under 10 million was it not?

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #352 on: September 2, 2008, 03:23:16 PM »
Even if they do have the capital (and I agree they do), giving 120 million for a single player to a rival is a suicide ...

Lets say they offer 120 million for C.Ronaldo and Ferguson accepts ... Yes, City will become stronger, but Ferguson would be able to sign at least 3 world class players (40 million each) with that money and the gap will get wider in United's favor ...

The fact they even contemplate such audacious bids to PL rival shows how little they know about football ...

Not if City spend 120million on Ronaldo, who by all accounts was the most effective player in the league last season and then they go and spend a few more 100 million on several other world class players.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #353 on: September 2, 2008, 03:23:41 PM »
It's not like we didn't spend millions this summer, is it?

You must be joking! Our net spend was around 12 million and that is less than what the Scum, City, Villa and Chelsea spent. The only team which spent less than us was Arsenal! Now if I remember correctly we came 4th last year not 1st! 

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #354 on: September 2, 2008, 03:26:10 PM »
It's not like we didn't spend millions this summer, is it?

Not agreeing with that. Only for Rafas excellent work scraping money together from scraps from the yankie table and selling players is how we spent money. Where the ither 4 i mention just ask and they get, big difference.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #355 on: September 2, 2008, 03:34:34 PM »
having the most money dosen't automatically mean you can have all the best players.  Chelsea were supposed to be about to buy everyone they wanted and create a superteam back in 2005/6.  Who has the best player in the Prem?  United.  Who has the best striker in the Prem? We do.

It's not as simple as one club having the monopoly.

Say David Villa wants to leave Valencia for the Prem next year.  Who will he go to ... United, Us, Chelsea, Arsenal .... or City?

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #356 on: September 2, 2008, 03:37:03 PM »
You must be joking! Our net spend was around 12 million and that is less than what the Scum, City, Villa and Chelsea spent.


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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #357 on: September 2, 2008, 03:43:47 PM »
I fear we will never win a League again unless we swap DIC for the Yanks. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United and Man City all have plenty of cash to spare and we well you know.

Though I don't want to believe this is true, sadly I think it is.

Unless we can pull off another magical CL trophy this year, or a title of course, we're looking at moving further down the pecking order of desired destinations. Especially without the money to even bid in the first place! Sigh.
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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #358 on: September 2, 2008, 03:49:59 PM »
Better hope we're the next Premier League club to be brought by wealthy Arabs (i.e. DIC).

Liverpool are finished unless someone can persuade G & H to sell out to the other Camel Jockeys.

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Re: 4th place just became a lot more difficult
« Reply #359 on: September 2, 2008, 03:50:37 PM »
so depressing :(