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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8160 on: August 29, 2011, 01:10:17 PM »
Allowed to go back to Brazil on loan for the year.

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We got really lucky missing out on chamakh. Awful player.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8161 on: August 29, 2011, 01:15:00 PM »
The same thing that happened to Chamakh.

He was never really good in this league though. Arshavin, however, for a while, looked like one of the most creative attacking midfielders in the league. Now he's just shite, can't pass, take anyone on, defend, or even look arsed.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8162 on: August 29, 2011, 01:16:13 PM »
Oh stop with the attractive football excuse. There is nothing attractive in the way they played. Barca play attractive football because every single player work their asses off chasing the ball when they lose it. That performance from Arsenal is truly pathetic. It's not even about age, experience or skills. They just simply gave up without a fight.

read i said it is his mantra not that it works for them!     a bit  of a knee jerking reply from you must try harder
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8163 on: August 29, 2011, 01:16:21 PM »
Is it me or is Arshavin incredibly shite these days? What happened to him?

He's lost the squad it seems. Irrespective of whatever off-field wranglings that looked like a side that hadn't done even basic training or coaching. You'd expect a professional side of any quality to be able to do the most basic things like trying to keep their shape or just getting the back four to play as a single line when defending. A conference side would go to Old Trafford and stick to a particular formation and tactics better than Arsenal did, thats down to Wenger and his coaching staff to set the team up irrespective of the quality available.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8164 on: August 29, 2011, 01:18:53 PM »
He was never really good in this league though. Arshavin, however, for a while, looked like one of the most creative attacking midfielders in the league. Now he's just shite, can't pass, take anyone on, defend, or even look arsed.

Chamakh started off quite well to be fair. He started turning to shit after a few months of coaching under the dead hand of Wenger.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8165 on: August 29, 2011, 01:19:36 PM »

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8166 on: August 29, 2011, 01:21:36 PM »
He's lost the squad it seems. Irrespective of whatever off-field wranglings that looked like a side that hadn't done even basic training or coaching. You'd expect a professional side of any quality to be able to do the most basic things like trying to keep their shape or just getting the back four to play as a single line when defending. A conference side would go to Old Trafford and stick to a particular formation and tactics better than Arsenal did, thats down to Wenger and his coaching staff to set the team up irrespective of the quality available.

I think that most managers seem to have a "use by date". In other words, they just get to a point where what they were doing just doesn't work any more. The only exceptions seem to be Mr Ferguson and Dario Gradi.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8167 on: August 29, 2011, 01:23:01 PM »
Chamakh started off quite well to be fair. He started turning to shit after a few months of coaching under the dead hand of Wenger.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8168 on: August 29, 2011, 01:24:21 PM »
Chamakh started off quite well to be fair. He started turning to shit after a few months of coaching under the dead hand of Wenger.

Didnt he come out around christmas and say he felt burnt out? He never had a great goal scoring record anyway, even in France?
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8169 on: August 29, 2011, 01:25:15 PM »
Did Wenger nick your bird, Juan?  :)

Yup. Got her knocked up, then he swooped in and sent her to Arsenal's development factory where young mothers are kept like battery hens, producing the next golden generation of Arsenal youngsters.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8170 on: August 29, 2011, 01:27:18 PM »
Yup. Got her knocked up, then he swooped in and sent her to Arsenal's development factory where young mothers are kept like battery hens, producing the next golden generation of Arsenal youngsters.

i fancy a guess too. She's French.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8171 on: August 29, 2011, 01:28:58 PM »
Reading somewhere this morning that Wenger has positively got rid of the loud voices in the dressing room because he thinks the proper response to crisis is zen-like calm.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8172 on: August 29, 2011, 01:29:03 PM »
Yup. Got her knocked up, then he swooped in and sent her to Arsenal's development factory where young mothers are kept like battery hens, producing the next golden generation of Arsenal youngsters.

 :)

I thought as much.

And judging by the shite she's producing you're well shot of her.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8173 on: August 29, 2011, 01:31:47 PM »
Rosicky wants to go a team in the Bundesliga and played like he could not give a dam

Arshavin mega deal awaits in Russia played like he has gone already

Van Persie the penalty almost finished him off,

You could say the team lacked confidence but the bigger problem is they lacked passion and willingness to put in an effort for the badge on their shirts, too many mentally weak players who hide when the going gets tough! I felt sorry for only Jenkinson hung out to dry by the rest of the team not holding the line well and trying to play United players offside at all well.

As for the keeper a quick geometry lesson maybe got all his angles wrong on the free kicks.

In the end though it is their problem and long may it continue for them and also happy harry!
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8174 on: August 29, 2011, 01:38:36 PM »
Reading somewhere this morning that Wenger has positively got rid of the loud voices in the dressing room because he thinks the proper response to crisis is zen-like calm.

Zen like calm oh my word, he must mean like he portrays in his overt behaviour the man looks full on mental he really does. 
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8175 on: August 29, 2011, 01:39:25 PM »
Chamakh started off quite well to be fair. He started turning to shit after a few months of coaching under the dead hand of Wenger.

Scored a couple of goals but never looked like anything resembling a top striker in my opinion. But it's moot, Arshavin looked fantastic for a while, but now he's utter shite.

Wengers last season at Arsenal I think.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8176 on: August 29, 2011, 01:41:46 PM »
There used to be a sense that Wenger sold players at the right time, and that those players who had left would only go downhill. There may be some truth in that, but you cannot see that being the case with players like Fabregas or Nasri. These players are leaving at the wrong age, the wrong time and the wrong moment. Arsenal may have made some serious cash on them, but replacing them is an almost impossible task.

What you have to ask yourself is this, why have Arsenal left it so late in the day to conclude their business? What is their strategy? They surely knew that the likes of Nasri, Clichy and Fabregas would be off. You cannot directly replace them but you have to look at alternatives.

Many selling clubs will be more reluctant to sell up at the end of the window as they'll have to then go into the market and replace the outgoing player. That isn't ideal and it leaves both clubs in a tricky situation. Many clubs will now hold on because the window is about to close, and as we all know, January is far away and a very difficult window in which to buy players.

Most clubs have sorted themselves out, a few have one or two targets left to snatch, but they've mostly concluded their business. Manchester United - done. Ourselves - pretty much done, and if we don't sign another player then it won't be the end of the world. Chelsea - they're mostly looking at Modric and will likely get their man.

On top of all of that, they’ve just weakened their squad so much that they had to put out some insanely average players yesterday. United were going to thrash them. People might say: “Well Arsenal could’ve scored four goals.”

Well, the score line doesn’t lie. They scored twice and conceded eight, yes eight goals. In the Premier League, in top flight football, that is just embarrassing to see. Wenger was clearly disappointed, but his hands are apparently tied. I saw one or two players smiling after the match – one of those was Traore. And having heard the news today, I’m not surprised that he was smiling.

I also saw that gif of Rosicky after the free-kick, I saw it live too – and I’m glad that it was posted. Rosicky has been a terrible signing for Arsenal, and the same can now be said of Arshavin, who looks less bothered with each passing moment. He’s probably thinking about a move elsewhere.

Arsenal can be very good with the ball, but without it, they’re just useless. It’s like they don’t know how to set up or play without the ball. One thing for sure is, Arsenal used to be one of the best counter attacking teams in the division. You just cannot say that about them anymore.

The fear factor has disappeared and many teams are up for playing against them, because simply put –they just don’t have any top players anymore. Good players, certainly, but top players who could stroll into other teams – I don’t think so. They lost that when Farbegas and Nasri walked out of the exit door.

Now, Arsenal may well brush aside many lesser teams over the season but if they finish in the top four then I would be very surprised. They’re lacking in so many areas and they’ve sold a lot of players this summer, without really replacing them. Eboue has left; he was cover to Sagna at right-back and could also play on the right side of midfield. Eboue was once a big prospect, but has faded. Denilson has gone out loan, again, a prospect but hasn’t quite lived up to the hype. Clichy, Fabregas, Nasri – they’ve not been replaced yet either.

In effect, I believe that Arsenal is now a feeder club themselves. Take Chamberlain for example, he has cost them £12m with the fee rising to a reported £15m. What if he becomes a stand out player, but achieves nothing at Arsenal? Eventually he will probably be tempted to move elsewhere. But equally, what if he becomes another Theo Walcott? Walcott was hardly cheap either, and he has failed to produce the goods on a consistent basis. He has been at Arsenal for five years now, but what has he done there? He is not worth the fee that was once paid for him.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8177 on: August 29, 2011, 01:46:02 PM »
You just know that, as shit as they are, they're going to sign someone who'll make us jealous by the end of the window. I can feel it.

Someone like Hazard, Hulk, or Abel Hernandez.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8178 on: August 29, 2011, 01:48:15 PM »


Rosicky  ::)

Unreal that

Dunno if you can get up the shot of Van Persie on the 2nd free kick, its not like that but very worrying on a different level for Arse fans. Just walked off like 'ah fuck this shit'
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8179 on: August 29, 2011, 01:54:39 PM »
I think the train started de-railing when they sold Flamini.
They never really replaced him with a ball winner in midfield.

They've had a soft under-belly ever since.

Add to that they've sold top quality players and bought good but inconsistent players (Arshavin, Rosicky etc)

They're crumbling - and the next few days will be crucial to their chances of saving this season.

They need to get 3 top quality players - a CB, a left back and a midfield ball-winner.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8180 on: August 29, 2011, 01:59:42 PM »
How many decent players will be interested in going to Arsenal now?
Many will say no thanks and with the bench more or less full of
young players with no real experience in the premier league tough times ahead.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8181 on: August 29, 2011, 01:59:57 PM »
Arshavin turned to shit once he found how much tax he was payin

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8182 on: August 29, 2011, 02:01:56 PM »
excellent point effes,  not seen yesterdays game but  its a sackable offence to lose 8-2 i feel.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8183 on: August 29, 2011, 02:01:59 PM »
Anyone remember the 4-2?  Literally a second after the Walcott goal, they fell apart again courtesy of Ryan Babel.  That's probably the first time in their most recent generation that I can remember them capitulating

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8184 on: August 29, 2011, 02:02:16 PM »
Rosicky is staring down Webb ala Anderson with the Arsenal keeper.

Didn't work for Rosicky.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8185 on: August 29, 2011, 02:02:49 PM »
That's funny, I thought it started when Wenger sold all his wingers and put his forwards out wide.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8186 on: August 29, 2011, 02:08:10 PM »
Arshavin turned to shit once he found how much tax he was payin

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8187 on: August 29, 2011, 02:08:55 PM »
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« Reply #8188 on: August 29, 2011, 02:18:00 PM »
Really feel for them, Wenger is getting stick and that's fair enough... but their owners deserve a ton of stick and they're not getting it. It's like Rafa in 09-10, only we didn't lose so heavily.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8189 on: August 29, 2011, 02:25:08 PM »
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4 - In a 20-team PL season, no side has ever finished in the top 4 after gaining only a point from their opening 3 games. Europa.

The highest ever finish for that was Newcastle back in 03/04 (they finished 5th). Only three clubs with one point or less from their opening three games in a 38 game season have actually qualified for Europe via their final league position. Only a quarter of the clubs (13 of the 52) that have started the season in that fashion and have finished in the top half of the table.




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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8190 on: August 29, 2011, 02:28:30 PM »
So who will they sign?

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« Reply #8191 on: August 29, 2011, 02:29:49 PM »
So who will they sign?
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8192 on: August 29, 2011, 02:33:02 PM »
Juan Loco.  He will finally realise his dream.

I'd sell my morals down the river for a £120k a-week 5 year contract.

I'm better than Kieran Gibbs as well.
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« Reply #8193 on: August 29, 2011, 02:34:20 PM »
Really feel for them, Wenger is getting stick and that's fair enough... but their owners deserve a ton of stick and they're not getting it. It's like Rafa in 09-10, only we didn't lose so heavily.

But it's not is it?

We knew there were issues with the owners. People here are assuming there is just to try and give Wenger an excuse when he has fuck all. It's nothing at all like Rafa's situation. It's Wenger and his hysterical, club-destroying principles.
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8194 on: August 29, 2011, 02:35:15 PM »
Juan Loco.  He will finally realise his dream.

I'd sell my morals down the river for a £120k a-week 5 year contract.

I'm better than Kieran Gibbs as well.

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8195 on: August 29, 2011, 02:37:17 PM »
Arsenal 'holocaust' comment lands Tony Cascarino in hot water
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/28/tony-cascarino-football-arsenal

"Poor Traoré at right-back is having a holocaust"

Despicable comment. Everyone knows he plays on the left!

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8196 on: August 29, 2011, 02:38:20 PM »
Arsenal 'holocaust' comment lands Tony Cascarino in hot water
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/28/tony-cascarino-football-arsenal

"Poor Traoré at right-back is having a holocaust"

Despicable comment. Everyone knows he plays on the left!
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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8197 on: August 29, 2011, 02:39:28 PM »
At least they have some sense and give the fans who travelled to the match yesterday a different away game free of charge.

Thats the least they could do.. wonder if the money will be from the players they sold ;)

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8198 on: August 29, 2011, 02:43:49 PM »
Alan, they are selling players at the peak of their game. And he hasn't been able to bring in replacements. They don't often high enough wages but they still have been able to qualify for Champions Legue for all these years without much net spend.

Again like was so often the case with Benitez they are also missing out on their primary targets. They could have and should have signed Mata though and people will blame Wenger for not signing him but it seems to me the board over there wasn't ready to stump up the cash when needed. And they were waiting for him to sell before he could buy. just like Benitez. Kind of like Danny Alves deal to us and when Coco screwed up.

Still think the loss of Dein was a big blow to Wenger and with the changes in the board over the years, they don't seem to have much confidence in him. He did spend big, he paid big money for Jose Antonio Reyes and still think he would do the same if he had the opportunity.

I'm not denying that there are might be issues at Arsenal but they are nothing like the shite that Rafa had to deal with . He spoke out in 2007 after the Champions League final and suffered years of being briefed against and undermined by the owners and others in the club. Had to run the team against the background of two owners who openly hated each other and potential financial meltdown. Slagged off by Sky Sports etc from almost day one - is achievements belittled even by his fellow managers (I seem to recall one who said that winning the European Cup was like Millwall winning the FA Cup...)

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Re: I like the fact you underestimate Arsenal this season!!
« Reply #8199 on: August 29, 2011, 02:47:51 PM »
I'd sell my morals down the river for a £120k a-week 5 year contract.

I'm better than Kieran Gibbs as well.
I've heard you talk a good game but are shit really.

You'll suit them perfect.