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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #120 on: May 17, 2008, 05:07:56 PM »
I'm sorry but Riise has been off the boil for 2 seasons now - maybe he can join his freind at West Ham ;)
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #121 on: May 17, 2008, 05:57:00 PM »

But that's rubbish, as he has scored about 80% of his goals from left-midfield.

And I expect Denis Irwin scored more, for starters, although he took penalties too.
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« Reply #122 on: May 17, 2008, 06:03:44 PM »
More like our Evra.

Just someone like him on the right side please :P

I said Sagna because he was a completely abstruse signing by Wenger.  Pretty much no one had heard of him before he was linked with Arsenal and then in a couple of days he was signed.

Thats the reason why I compared him to Sagna.  Unknown player turns out to be dynamite.  However if he does play like Evra, I for one won't be complaining.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #123 on: May 17, 2008, 06:40:10 PM »
I've only seen Dossena play twice, but he left a big impression on me both times. No nonsense at the back and constantly got play forward really effectively, either by making runs himself or spotting great passes. Has a good cross on him as well and doesn't seem to get a nosebleed when he approaches the opposition box.

If this happens I will be very happy, although if these two games gave me false impressions and he is normally rubbish, I take back everything I've said!! ;)

I also think a LB is very important. I'm a massive Insua fan, but if Aurelio gets a bad injury -as is normal - would Insua really be ready to face the likes of United and Chelsea?? Personally, I don't think so. He is a brilliant player and will continue progressing, but I think he needs more work on his defending before we put ourselves in the position to rely on him. Put him in more cup matches etc this season and I think he will take Aurelio's spot in a year or so.

EDIT: have watched Dossena play a lot more now and I maintain my opinion. Quality player.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #124 on: May 17, 2008, 06:48:39 PM »
This obviously wouldn't be the most exciting signing but, as I've said on here before, full-backs are exceptionally important in the modern game. I stand by what I said a while back that Arsenal wouldn't have had the season they did without Clichy and Sagna. Two names, incidentally, that many people hadn't even heard of before Wenger gave them their chance. Proof that, however nice Alves or whoever would have been, that you don't need to spend half of your transfer budget on this area.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #125 on: May 17, 2008, 06:49:51 PM »
I've only seen Dossena play twice, but he left a big impression on me both times. No nonsense at the back and constantly got play forward really effectively, either by making runs himself or spotting great passes. Has a good cross on him as well and doesn't seem to get a nosebleed when he approaches the opposition box.

If this happens I will be very happy, although if these two games gave me false impressions and he is normally rubbish, I take back everything I've said!! ;)

I also think a LB is very important. I'm a massive Insua fan, but if Aurelio gets a bad injury -as is normal - would Insua really be ready to face the likes of United and Chelsea?? Personally, I don't think so. He is a brilliant player and will continue progressing, but I think he needs more work on his defending before he we put ourselves in the position to rely on him. Put him in more cup matches etc this season and I think he will take Aurelio's spot in a year or so.

Is he quick ?  As in how does he compare with the likes of Evra, Clichy and Cashley in terms of pace and ability seeing that the three of them have set an extremely high benchmark for LB's in the premiership.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #126 on: May 17, 2008, 06:56:36 PM »
I said Sagna because he was a completely abstruse signing by Wenger.  Pretty much no one had heard of him before he was linked with Arsenal and then in a couple of days he was signed.

Thats the reason why I compared him to Sagna.  Unknown player turns out to be dynamite. However if he does play like Evra, I for one won't be complaining.

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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #127 on: May 17, 2008, 06:57:56 PM »
Is he quick ?  As in how does he compare with the likes of Evra, Clichy and Cashley in terms of pace and ability seeing that the three of them have set an extremely high benchmark for LB's in the Premier League.

He's pretty fast according to my friend. Most of all, he's very cultured on the ball, and has really good technique.

Genuinely excited by this, and the Bentley transfer rumors. Won't even mind Degen if this goes through.
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« Reply #128 on: May 17, 2008, 07:07:01 PM »
This obviously wouldn't be the most exciting signing but, as I've said on here before, full-backs are exceptionally important in the modern game.

To be frank, I can't say that I agree with your generalization that fullbacks are exceptionally important in the modern game as I think the importance of attributes of players in certain positions within a system depend entirely upon that the dynamics of that system itself.

However with regards to our 4-2-3-1 system, assuming that's what you were getting at, I'd agree that it is of great importance that we have quality fullbacks who are able to significantly contribute to our attacking play, offering us increased width when attacking and also playing an important part in our ability to quickly counter-attack building an attack from wide areas.

From what I am reading about Dossena he sounds like he would be a great signing for our system, and would allow Insua suffucient time to develop over the next 3 years or so to into a good first-team player, surely getting a good amount of first team games under his belt in the meantime.

I believe that we also need a similar player on the right, although it seems if reports are right about Benitez having been interested in Degen since his time at Valencia that he may well have faith in Degen that he can offer this to us on the right, at least to some degree of effect until he has the cash available to buy a higher quality right fullback.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #129 on: May 17, 2008, 07:26:45 PM »
I believe that we also need a similar player on the right, although it seems if reports are right about Benitez having been interested in Degen since his time at Valencia that he may well have faith in Degen that he can offer this to us on the right, at least to some degree of effect until he has the cash available to buy a higher quality right fullback.

Coming to the acceptance stage of the Degen signing.

Clearly, the guy does have decent technique and bundles of pace from what I've seen. He is lackluster defensively though, and generally goes missing. Probably made a wrong move going to Dortmund, as he was very impressive in the World Cup. Typical Rafa signing in that he made a wrong career move, and now needs to rejuvenate his career. Rafa will add some defensive nous to his game. He does have the tools, just doesn't know how to use them. That's what Rafa would be thinking anyways.
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« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2008, 07:52:06 PM »
If these FB's are pacey, have good engines and can put in a good pinpoint cross/pass we're laughing - don't worry  about their defensive nature ( Riise excluded)
ANY 433 system (4231 included) relies on width from the FB's.  if we get Barry and Bentley - our   433/4231 should be very interesting next season!

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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2008, 07:57:24 PM »

Well, if you think he's slow I'd be worried for you!

Obviously Rafa and his scouts have seen a lot more of him than you have, though. And plenty of good players have struggled at certain clubs or under certain managers.



I was merely pointing out that they are fairly similar players.

And they get it right all the time do they? ::) Anyway Emo, why the fuck would you be worried for me? Is he goin to challenge me to 100 metre race or something? ???

I'd didn't say he was slow anyway, I said Eboue was quicker and he is. I said Degen was shite, he isn't good enough to don the famous red shirt.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #132 on: May 17, 2008, 08:16:12 PM »
Can't say I remember him which is a good thing Zapata is the only player I really look out for in that side.


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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #133 on: May 17, 2008, 08:20:26 PM »
A description of him from a Milan fan: ''Dossena is absolutely tough as nails, left footed, highly skilled but still thuggish in terms of tackling, certainly tactically astute, pace, power, puts in a great ball with his left foot, extremely accurate passer, gets forward, runs all match, etc ... just a top player tailor made for your league.''
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« Reply #134 on: May 17, 2008, 08:22:37 PM »
A description of him from a Milan fan: ''Dossena is absolutely tough as nails, left footed, highly skilled but still thuggish in terms of tackling, certainly tactically astute, pace, power, puts in a great ball with his left foot, extremely accurate passer, gets forward, runs all match, etc ... just a top player tailor made for your league.''
why is no one listening to me sign Dossena and find his right footed clone for he RB slot .. d'oh   ;)
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« Reply #135 on: May 17, 2008, 08:28:22 PM »
And they get it right all the time do they? ::)


Any player can succeed or fail at a new club for innumerable reasons.

However, if they sign someone it is because they have seen enough good things from that player over a period of time, and because, unlike you or I, they actually make a living by spotting talent and assessing footballers.

They also provide more insightful, intelligent analysis than "I said Degen was shite".
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #136 on: May 17, 2008, 08:28:42 PM »
A description of him from a Milan fan: ''Dossena is absolutely tough as nails, left footed, highly skilled but still thuggish in terms of tackling, certainly tactically astute, pace, power, puts in a great ball with his left foot, extremely accurate passer, gets forward, runs all match, etc ... just a top player tailor made for your league.''


Now that's my idea of an assessment...
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« Reply #137 on: May 17, 2008, 08:52:34 PM »
To be frank, I can't say that I agree with your generalization that fullbacks are exceptionally important in the modern game as I think the importance of attributes of players in certain positions within a system depend entirely upon that the dynamics of that system itself.

I suppose it is a generalisation, but one I still stand by. I think they are exceptionally important in the modern game, hence the reason the very best clubs have always had the best there is. Cafu and Maldini at Milan, Carlos at Madrid, Zambrotta at Juventus and Barca. Chelsea have spent £15m+ on Ferreira, Bosingwa and Cole, as well as a fair bit on Wayne Bridge and Glen Johnson, so it's obviously an area they are desperate for quality in.

Arsenal have the best in the league and United have a wonderful left-back in Patrice Evra. You may argue that they have won a league with Wes Brown standing-in on the right, but when you play behind Cristiano Ronaldo, your only job is to cover the gaps he leaves, rather than exploit the ones he creates. It wouldn't surprise me if United bring in more quality in this position in either bringing Gary Neville back to the fold or signing somebody either.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #138 on: May 17, 2008, 09:02:10 PM »
Coming to the acceptance stage of the Degen signing.

Good luck, I'm not at that stage yet. Still hoping it isn't true, and we'll be laughing at this in pre-season with Lahm as our right back.

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« Reply #139 on: May 17, 2008, 09:10:22 PM »
Good luck, I'm not at that stage yet. Still hoping it isn't true, and we'll be laughing at this in pre-season with Lahm as our right back.

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« Reply #140 on: May 17, 2008, 09:14:39 PM »
I suppose it is a generalisation, but one I still stand by. I think they are exceptionally important in the modern game, hence the reason the very best clubs have always had the best there is.
I agree, and I wouldn't be too fussed if we spunked our entire transfer kitty (if we actually have a kitty and not just a petty cash tin in Tom Hick's desk) on two fullbacks.  I think we'd see a massive improvement in the attacking side of our game if we had two quick fullbacks who were happy in possession and could pick out a pass.....and I think we'd get a lot more joy out of our current wide players Babel and Kuyt.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #141 on: May 17, 2008, 09:16:10 PM »
Don't get your hopes up, Lahm's signed a new deal at Bayern.

Damn, you also ruined my chances of editing that to read Alves.

Shame, I do hope we get Dossena, then finally sort out an attacking right side equivalent (not Degen). But yes, that's for other threads, dragging it back to Dossena.
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« Reply #142 on: May 17, 2008, 09:17:58 PM »
Every position on the pitch is extremely important now days, you can't afford to carry passengers (which we do in 3 or 4 positions). With that said, if you offered me a choice between Arbeloa and Ronaldo on the right or Ramos and Kuyt, I'd bite your hand off for the former.

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« Reply #143 on: May 17, 2008, 09:52:50 PM »
I suppose it is a generalisation, but one I still stand by. I think they are exceptionally important in the modern game, hence the reason the very best clubs have always had the best there is. Cafu and Maldini at Milan, Carlos at Madrid, Zambrotta at Juventus and Barca. Chelsea have spent £15m+ on Ferreira, Bosingwa and Cole, as well as a fair bit on Wayne Bridge and Glen Johnson, so it's obviously an area they are desperate for quality in.

I'm not trying to purposely have a go at you here, but I'm always one looking to find the truth in any statement, so don't take me the wrong way. However I think you are stating the obvious by stating the importance of fullbacks in the modern game. Each time has 11 players on the pitch at any one time, and so each and every one of those positions contributes from the quality of the team equally.

To generalize the importance of fullbacks in the modern game is a mistake. The only way you could substantiate the argument that say 'fullbacks are of more significance than other positions' is within the context of a certain tactical system. So once more take the example of Liverpool's 4-2-3-1, where you could argue that they are more important than they are in other systems for reasons x, y and z.

Nonetheless, whilst you could probably put forward a sound argument for fact that certain positions are of more importance than others in a said system, that extra degree of importance is probably on the whole minor or insignificant if it even exists at all. After all a football team has 11 players on the pitch, and I believe that any one of those players in any position has the same capacity to have a positive or negative effect on the team. For instance, you could have two world class fullbacks and a great team all round, only to have somebody in goal of my quality and you'd be shit.

I'd say that the important thing is the overall quality of the team you put out and ensuring that your worst player doesn't stray too far below the average level of quality. So imagine you could quantify the different attributes of all players and give them an overall average rating based on the attributes important to their position. Say the average came out at 7/10, you'd want all of your players to be within say one below that average at most. So if in one position you are playing players who are further below this for most games, then that is the weakness in your team. I'd suggest that for us it is the fullback positions alongside the wide positions which are those we could make the greatest improvement in towards the overall quality of the first team. Therefore insofar as this is the case, in the context of Liverpool at this point in time improvement of the fullback positions is very important to improving the overall quality of our first team.

In relation to you bringing up Wes Brown, I'd say that this proves my point. No one position is of such greater significance than another, and it is the quality of the players in those positions which defines how much that position contributes to the team. Nonetheless, in terms of the idea of a quality average and players who drop below it then I'd say Brown/RB is probably one of the main areas they could improve.
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« Reply #144 on: May 17, 2008, 09:57:18 PM »
You're looking far too deeply into my statement, mate. And what you say in the paragraph below doesn't take into account that Defender 'A' could have a 10/10 performance but be stuck in his  own half for the entire game, while Defender 'B' could get a 7 and still create the winning goal.

I'd say that the important thing is the overall quality of the team you put out and ensuring that your worst player doesn't stray too far below the average level of quality. So imagine you could quantify the different attributes of all players and give them an overall average rating based on the attributes important to their position. Say the average came out at 7/10, you'd want all of your players to be within say one below that average at most. So if in one position you are playing players who are further below this for most games, then that is the weakness in your team. I'd suggest that for us it is the fullback positions alongside the wide positions which are those we could make the greatest improvement in towards the overall quality of the first team. Therefore insofar as this is the case, in the context of Liverpool at this point in time improvement of the fullback positions is very important to improving the overall quality of our first team.
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« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2008, 10:18:09 PM »
Within a certain tactical system, I would expect that manager to have an ideal as to what each player in each position should be doing to achieve the perfect game. Quantifying this sort of thing is obviously easier said than done, but nonetheless I believe any manager with a coherent tactical system and idea of what he needs from his players for it to work best could rate his players average performance out of say 10 over a season.

If a certain manager has expectations x of his fullbacks, then he would rate a player's seasonal performance on this basis. These ratings would be subjective to the manager and his tactical ideals of what players in their respective positions should try and do. Now your example is not really a valid criticism of what I said because:

- Manager A: would rate defender 'A' as 10/10 performance within his system of play the fullback should concentrate on his defensive duties to provide a solid base to build from.
- Manager B: would rate the same defenders performance as 6/10 within his system, as he thinks that his fullbacks must get forward to support the attack and initiate counter-attacks.

It's all subjective to the tactical system. You couldn't create a universal rating for a player's performance, as it depends which tactical position he is playing. You could play RB with defensive tactical instructions, or play RB with offensive tactical instructions and so these are not actually the same positions/responsibilities and performance would have to be rated accordingly.

Still this is somewhat besides the point, are you still trying to maintain that fullbacks are of greater importance than other positions? If so can you please argue your reasons in supporting of this conclusion, because I just don't see how you could justify such a position.

Personally rather than the importance of certain positions in a team's system, I'd say that individual class is much more important. I'd rather have let's say Steven Gerrard in the center, or Torres up front, than lose them and have the two best fullbacks in the game... every player on the pitch counts, and none has anymore potential to make a difference than any other on accounts of their tactical position.
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« Reply #146 on: May 17, 2008, 10:29:55 PM »
Within a certain tactical system, I would expect that manager to have an ideal as to what each player in each position should be doing to achieve the perfect game. Quantifying this sort of thing is obviously easier said than done, but nonetheless I believe any manager with a coherent tactical system and idea of what he needs from his players for it to work best could rate his players average performance out of say 10 over a season.

If a certain manager has expectations x of his fullbacks, then he would rate a player's seasonal performance on this basis. These ratings would be subjective to the manager and his tactical ideals of what players in their respective positions should try and do. Now your example is not really a valid criticism of what I said because:

- Manager A: would rate defender 'A' as 10/10 performance within his system of play the fullback should concentrate on his defensive duties to provide a solid base to build from.
- Manager B: would rate the same defenders performance as 6/10 within his system, as he thinks that his fullbacks must get forward to support the attack and initiate counter-attacks.

It's all subjective to the tactical system. You couldn't create a universal rating for a player's performance, as it depends which tactical position he is playing.

I am not denying any of this. It was you who introduced the whole rating system, over-simplifying things.

I spoke about the importance of full-backs because, in a day and age when defensive systems are a lot tighter and tactics are a lot more complex, you need more sources of attack. Arsenal's full-backs have 9 assists between them this season, which is part of the reason I said I don't think they would have done so well this season without them.

Still this is somewhat besides the point, are you still trying to maintain that fullbacks are of greater importance than other positions? If so can you please argue your reasons in supporting of this conclusion, because I just don't see how you could justify such a position.

I'm not trying to say that at all. My original statement was that they are 'exceptionally important'; there is a greater emphasis on having ones that don't just get stuck in and then play it simple. They have to be quick, they have to have the ability to get past players, to be able to cross well, link play well and so on. But that doesn't mean I'd swap Clichy and Sagna for Torres and Gerrard. How you jumped to this sort of conclusion is beyond me.

I honestly didn't think I'd be challenged so heavily on what I said. It was hardly a shockingly controversial statement.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #147 on: May 17, 2008, 11:00:09 PM »
I don't believe I stated or inferred your claim to be 'shockingly controversial' at any point, so I don't really know why you felt it necessary to clarify something not in question. In saying that they were exceptional important, I took it that you were implying that they had some sort of special significance to teams. If you were not then there would have been no need to use the word exceptional which is synonymous with the word incomparable. I was disagreeing that they are incomparably important, stating that all of the 11 players on the pitch have an equal capacity to negatively or positively affect games.

Clearly we have misunderstood one another. In the end, it seems that we are both in agreement that the fullback positions are two of our weakest areas which by improving we can significantly improve the team, particularly given that in our system we need attacking fullbacks because we play two holding midfielders who obviously tend to stay back a lot of the time.

With regard to your comment on the importance of fullbacks because 'in a day and age when defensive systems are a lot tighter and tactics are a lot more complex, you need more sources of attack' I do agree with this, but I'd say that the same is true of all positions on the pitch in that the game in this day and age, particularly the premiership is arguably a lot more demanding and tactical than it was in times gone by.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand, let's just hope that if Dossena is the type of full back we need that we get him in ready for next year!
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« Reply #148 on: May 18, 2008, 04:41:50 AM »
A description of him from a Milan fan: ''Dossena is absolutely tough as nails, left footed, highly skilled but still thuggish in terms of tackling, certainly tactically astute, pace, power, puts in a great ball with his left foot, extremely accurate passer, gets forward, runs all match, etc ... just a top player tailor made for your league.''

see? he's a more talented moreno toricelli. be happy if we get him around the skrtel bargain price.  :)
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« Reply #149 on: May 18, 2008, 05:47:54 AM »
A description of him from a Milan fan: ''Dossena is absolutely tough as nails, left footed, highly skilled but still thuggish in terms of tackling, certainly tactically astute, pace, power, puts in a great ball with his left foot, extremely accurate passer, gets forward, runs all match, etc ... just a top player tailor made for your league.''

Him on the left, Skrtel right beside him...that twat Ronaldo will be fucked.  I'm salivating already.
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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #150 on: May 18, 2008, 06:20:42 AM »
Him on the left, Skrtel right beside him...that twat Ronaldo will be fucked.  I'm salivating already.

Dossena Agger Skrtel you mean  ;)
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« Reply #151 on: May 18, 2008, 06:29:36 AM »
where does it say we signed him exactly?

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« Reply #152 on: May 18, 2008, 06:43:35 AM »
Dossena Agger Skrtel you mean  ;)

Right, I keep forgetting about Dannyboy.  His injury's taking a long time to heal.  :(
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« Reply #153 on: May 18, 2008, 06:59:08 AM »
Right, I keep forgetting about Dannyboy.  His injury's taking a long time to heal.  :(

Yeah, we need a good dose of Agger in pre-season ASAP. People are starting to forget just how good he was/is  :)
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« Reply #154 on: May 18, 2008, 07:27:52 AM »
Dossena Agger Skrtel you mean  ;)
that line up begs the question .... who's the Right FB ?   - the other 3 are tough,pacey and good on the ball  so you know what we need, but who ?
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« Reply #155 on: May 18, 2008, 07:32:09 AM »
that line up begs the question .... who's the Right FB ?   - the other 3 are tough,pacey and good on the ball  so you know what we need, but who ?

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« Reply #156 on: May 18, 2008, 07:33:21 AM »
Would Dossena-Agger-Skrtel-Carragher be too awkward? It would be solid but Carragher-Kuyt is possibly the most unwieldy wing-combination in Europe. Dossena overlapping as Babel cuts inside is exciting however.
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« Reply #157 on: May 18, 2008, 07:40:29 AM »
Would Dossena-Agger-Skrtel-Carragher be too awkward? It would be solid but Carragher-Kuyt is possibly the most unwieldy wing-combination in Europe. Dossena overlapping as Babel cuts inside is exciting however.
well  the LHS would be even stronger if the 3 of 433 were Barry  Mash  Alonso

That would mean 3 Left footers on our left  2 of which are capable of being LB and 3  capable of attacking down the left

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« Reply #158 on: May 18, 2008, 07:43:02 AM »
that line up begs the question .... who's the Right FB ?   - the other 3 are tough,pacey and good on the ball  so you know what we need, but who ?

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Re: Andrea Dossena
« Reply #159 on: May 18, 2008, 07:43:07 AM »
Would Dossena-Agger-Skrtel-Carragher be too awkward? It would be solid but Carragher-Kuyt is possibly the most unwieldy wing-combination in Europe. Dossena overlapping as Babel cuts inside is exciting however.

Well, Agger-Skrtel won't be the starting CB next season anyways.
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