Author Topic: The Hobbit (Read 32606 times)

Immoral King Brian Blessed · « **Reply #321 on:** December 21, 2011, 06:42:02 PM »

Bilbo does look good, Rusty.

I also like the dwarves much more in context than against the gray backgrounds.

sparkiemark73 · « **Reply #322 on:** December 21, 2011, 06:46:33 PM »

Quote from: Zlenpasha on December 21, 2011, 12:18:45 PM

It's the missed opportunity of seeing another vision of this world, another artistic hand involved that irks me a bit.
Here we'll have just more of the same, already seen in Lord of the rings, every aspect of it will more-less be recycled.
I'm also somehow bored to fucking death of the way he shoots action shots, so that part of the adventure is pretty much spoiled in advance. Dunno, just made me remember that Del Toro could have done this and now, peeking into Jackson's Hobbit, it seems like something I'd rather watch.

Ah what could've been eh.....?

Story of everyones lives...

Tough shit, bad luck mate. Feeling for you.

Immoral King Brian Blessed · « **Reply #323 on:** December 21, 2011, 06:55:53 PM »

Quote from: sparkiemark73 on December 21, 2011, 06:46:33 PM

Ah what could've been eh.....?

Story of everyones lives...

Tough shit, bad luck mate. Feeling for you.

Are you Jackson's agent?

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #324 on:** December 21, 2011, 07:05:05 PM »

I'll survive, thanks for you concern.

sherwos8 · « **Reply #325 on:** December 21, 2011, 07:48:56 PM »

Quote from: Lady_brandybuck on December 21, 2011, 05:45:12 PM

I think Beorn will be for the second movie, this one will go till he finds the ring, at least that's my guess.

I find it fair to be similar (image related) to LOTR, it gives continuity to the story.

I'm betting they get to either being captured by Elves in Mirkwood or into Lake Town. There is kinda a narrative shift there I think.

Shirley. · « **Reply #326 on:** December 22, 2011, 02:07:09 AM »

The trailer kind of reminds me of the Lord of the Rings movie, think there were Hobbits in them as well which is probably why.

Immoral King Brian Blessed · « **Reply #327 on:** December 22, 2011, 03:17:56 AM »

Quote from: Shirley. on December 22, 2011, 02:07:09 AM

The trailer kind of reminds me of the Lord of the Rings movie, think there were Hobbits in them as well which is probably why.

agreed. I'd even go as so far as to say this is ripping off lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings 4 should sue.

soxfan · « **Reply #328 on:** December 22, 2011, 05:56:43 AM »

I'm not a fanatic of the books, but I did like the LOTR movies. Honestly, to a casual fan like me, this Hobbit trailer looks boring. Same characters, less action. I suppose if you're a big fan of the books you'll want to see it. But though I think Jackson's work looks nice and polished as always, I'm kinda

Sorry for being a drip.

MULLEN · « **Reply #329 on:** December 22, 2011, 09:04:03 AM »

Quote from: King Wenceslas IX on December 22, 2011, 03:17:56 AM

agreed. I'd even go as so far as to say this is ripping off lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings 4 should sue.

HAHAHA

Finn Solomon · « **Reply #330 on:** December 22, 2011, 09:41:07 AM »

Quote from: Lady_brandybutter on December 21, 2011, 05:45:12 PM

I think Beorn will be for the second movie, this one will go till he finds the ring, at least that's my guess.

I find it fair to be similar (image related) to LOTR, it gives continuity to the story.

There's more than one Hobbit movie?? I did not know that.

Rob K · « **Reply #331 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:56:46 AM »

Quote from: Finn Solomon on December 22, 2011, 09:41:07 AM

There's more than one Hobbit movie?? I did not know that.

It's in 2 parts - The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey and The Hobbit: There and Back Again. First released next year, the 2nd in 2013.

XabiArt · « **Reply #332 on:** December 22, 2011, 11:37:29 AM »

The book really isnt long enough to justify two films in my opinion. But there we go.

Prelude no.5 · « **Reply #333 on:** December 22, 2011, 12:30:32 PM »

Quote from: XabiArt on December 22, 2011, 11:37:29 AM

The book really isnt long enough to justify two films in my opinion. But there we go.

It book isn't because it's aimed at kids. The plot though is, and could do with 2 films.

sherwos8 · « **Reply #334 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:29:26 PM »

Especially since they are trying to tie it into LOTR via all the appendices stuff (White Council, Dol Guldor, etc). I actually think there would need to be some amazing amount of trimming to make one movie out of the Hobbit. You have the trolls, rivendell, goblin town, riddles in the dark, warg attack, beorn, spiders, and being capture by Elves in Mirkwood, all in the first half of the book. Its a ton to get through.

Noelle · « **Reply #335 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:33:55 PM »

Quote from: sherwos8 on December 22, 2011, 01:29:26 PM

Especially since they are trying to tie it into LOTR via all the appendices stuff (White Council, Dol Guldor, etc). I actually think there would need to be some amazing amount of trimming to make one movie out of the Hobbit. You have the trolls, rivendell, goblin town, riddles in the dark, warg attack, beorn, spiders, and being capture by Elves in Mirkwood, all in the first half of the book. Its a ton to get through.

Well it depends how long you want the film to be. There's definitely a good bit of trimming no matter what (some of which, I think, would need to be done in any case), but if you're aiming for a two hour film vs a three/three and a half hour film you'd obviously need to cut down more. Splitting it into two films allows them to minimize that to what is strictly necessary, or by and large only what is necessary.

Immoral King Brian Blessed · « **Reply #336 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:46:44 PM »

They could probably do it in one, I'm preferring the two, though. But let's face it, they're splitting it up simply to make a bigger profit.

sherwos8 · « **Reply #337 on:** December 22, 2011, 01:51:56 PM »

I'm hoping it'll be two 2 1/2 hour movies. It would fit the material better to me. The Hobbit isn't epic (well maybe a little by the end), its fairytale.

Finn Solomon · « **Reply #338 on:** December 22, 2011, 05:26:35 PM »

I'd better get an hour long Battle of the Five Armies.

Noelle · « **Reply #339 on:** December 22, 2011, 05:54:25 PM »

Quote from: Finn Solomon on December 22, 2011, 05:26:35 PM

I'd better get an hour long Battle of the Five Armies.

Aye, and they better not fade to black when Bilbo gets hit in the head. At the very least we better see some Bear!Beorn kicking Goblin ass.

Lady_Brandybuck · « **Reply #340 on:** December 23, 2011, 05:49:29 AM »

Quote from: Finn Solomon on December 22, 2011, 05:26:35 PM

I'd better get an hour long Battle of the Five Armies.

that would be epic! if it's half as good as the battle of Helm's deep then awesome!

Quote from: sherwos8 on December 22, 2011, 01:29:26 PM

Especially since they are trying to tie it into LOTR via all the appendices stuff (White Council, Dol Guldor, etc). I actually think there would need to be some amazing amount of trimming to make one movie out of the Hobbit. You have the trolls, rivendell, goblin town, riddles in the dark, warg attack, beorn, spiders, and being capture by Elves in Mirkwood, all in the first half of the book. Its a ton to get through.

Now that you mention it, it could be till the Warg Attack this first part. Second from Beorn on

A year can't go faster!

Red Beret · « **Reply #341 on:** December 23, 2011, 11:54:07 AM »

Predictably awesome.

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #342 on:** December 23, 2011, 12:05:42 PM »

It's been about 10 years since I read the book, so I can remember bits and pieces and forget large swaths of it, but I do remember the main parts and characters. Going by that, I didn't think the trailer did the film any favours at all. In fact, it looks like just an extended teaser with bits directly lifted out of the previous three films, or scenes that got deleted. It could and should have been better handled. Maybe there isn't enough recorded material yet, but I think a better trailer would have been just a small teaser of Smaug. Showing Gollum at the end like it was some sort of reveal is nothing new. We've seen Gollum. We know what he's like as a character and to look at. Seeing that Smaug is central to the story, it would have made better sense. Maybe we'll get a glimpse of him in the release trailer.

RJH · « **Reply #343 on:** December 23, 2011, 03:36:18 PM »

Quote from: Macphisto80 on December 23, 2011, 12:05:42 PM

It's been about 10 years since I read the book, so I can remember bits and pieces and forget large swaths of it, but I do remember the main parts and characters. Going by that, I didn't think the trailer did the film any favours at all. In fact, it looks like just an extended teaser with bits directly lifted out of the previous three films, or scenes that got deleted. It could and should have been better handled. Maybe there isn't enough recorded material yet, but I think a better trailer would have been just a small teaser of Smaug. Showing Gollum at the end like it was some sort of reveal is nothing new. We've seen Gollum. We know what he's like as a character and to look at. Seeing that Smaug is central to the story, it would have made better sense. Maybe we'll get a glimpse of him in the release trailer.

Unless possibly as a flash back, I doubt Smaug will feature in the first film. So that may be a factor in why they aren't pushing him too much at this stage.

I can't see the film going as far as the arrival at the Lonely Mountain.

I think it will probably end either with the Dwarves imprisoned in Mirkwood, or with the departure from Lake Town to head to the mountain.

crazyemlyn72 · « **Reply #344 on:** December 23, 2011, 05:19:13 PM »

I'm a fan. But the trailer left me disinterested. Dwarfs singing forlorn songs=boring. Del toro was the the guy for this movie, jackson is getting on my wick.

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #345 on:** December 23, 2011, 05:36:08 PM »

Quote from: RJH on December 23, 2011, 03:36:18 PM

Unless possibly as a flash back, I doubt Smaug will feature in the first film. So that may be a factor in why they aren't pushing him too much at this stage.

I can't see the film going as far as the arrival at the Lonely Mountain.

I think it will probably end either with the Dwarves imprisoned in Mirkwood, or with the departure from Lake Town to head to the mountain.

Good point. I forgot about it being two parts. It still looks brilliant, mind.

Quote from: crazyemlyn72 on December 23, 2011, 05:19:13 PM

I'm a fan. But the trailer left me disinterested. Dwarfs singing forlorn songs=boring. Del toro was the the guy for this movie, jackson is getting on my wick.

I understand that a different vision would have been interesting, but I don't get why people insist that Del Toro would do a better job, or that he was "the only person" to direct this film. To be fair to Jackson, he did an outstanding job on the first three films, arguably beyond the expectations of what could have been done with a big screen adaptation of those books. Why risk fucking it up for the sake of a fresh vision? Jackson knows the score and knows how to deliver from the first three, and I think he's nailed the look and feel of the book judging from the trailer. Absolutely spot on as far as the way I imagined it when reading the novel.

RF · « **Reply #346 on:** December 23, 2011, 06:20:37 PM »

Quote from: Finn Solomon on December 22, 2011, 05:26:35 PM

I'd better get an hour long Battle of the Five Armies.

Don't think I could stand 5 mins if it consists of fuzzy computer generated battle scenes again.

For example, when the riders of rohan charged in at dawn, the charge over the bridge at helms deep, the green ghosties that went storming into and up and around Minas Tirith...

Don't spoil such good films with that shite again Peter.

killer_heels · « **Reply #347 on:** December 23, 2011, 09:23:55 PM »

Looks great. Cannot wait.

Lady_Brandybuck · « **Reply #348 on:** December 24, 2011, 05:45:55 AM »

And if the Official Hobbit Trailer release wasn’t enough for Hobbit fans. Peter Jackson dropped even more Christmas gifts for Hobbit fans, by releasing the 5th “Behind the Scenes” Hobbit Production Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eWGFi6P-5Rk

Trada · « **Reply #349 on:** December 24, 2011, 10:10:12 AM »

Quote from: RF on December 23, 2011, 06:20:37 PM

Don't think I could stand 5 mins if it consists of fuzzy computer generated battle scenes again.

For example, when the riders of rohan charged in at dawn, the charge over the bridge at helms deep, the green ghosties that went storming into and up and around Minas Tirith...

Don't spoil such good films with that shite again Peter.

I loved those scenes in LOTR.

RJH · « **Reply #350 on:** December 24, 2011, 10:31:55 AM »

Quote from: RF on December 23, 2011, 06:20:37 PM

Don't think I could stand 5 mins if it consists of fuzzy computer generated battle scenes again.

For example, when the riders of rohan charged in at dawn, the charge over the bridge at helms deep, the green ghosties that went storming into and up and around Minas Tirith...

Don't spoil such good films with that shite again Peter.

I thought in general the CG was pretty good.
The only moment that jars for me is that bridge charge at Helm's Deep, where all the cavalry behind the first rank are swinging and hacking at empty space.

Also, bear in mind also that we're talking about 10 years ago, and LotR was the first big project Weta Digital did. I think they'll have improved somewhat.

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #351 on:** December 24, 2011, 02:58:37 PM »

It'll be really interesting to see how Gollum has progressed since The Two Towers almost 10 years ago. He was impressively done back then. I wonder how convincing he looks now.

Mouth · « **Reply #352 on:** December 24, 2011, 03:37:29 PM »

Trailer looks ok, but it will be fucking shite because of the tinkering and changes that the two bit horror director hacks does to it.

Already glimpsed what can only be the three ogres scene turned into an action fighty shouty scene, when its a very important character development scene for Gandalf, we get to see he isnt just an old man or a wizard, he is smart clever and sly as fuck. But then I guess thats the redundancy part of having a prequel, there doesnt need to be character development for some of them, they are already fixed, so it allows directors time and space to fuck about having a wank and wrecking things.

And Howard Shore again, really? Fucking shite, get Williams, get Zimmer, get anyone but that boring fucking clues tit.

NorthamptonKopite · « **Reply #353 on:** December 24, 2011, 03:37:39 PM »

Quote from: crazyemlyn72 on December 23, 2011, 05:19:13 PM

I'm a fan. But the trailer left me disinterested. Dwarfs singing forlorn songs=boring. Del toro was the the guy for this movie, jackson is getting on my wick.

How is it boring in anyway? What did you want to see?

Immoral King Brian Blessed · « **Reply #354 on:** December 24, 2011, 03:43:44 PM »

Quote from: Macphisto80 on December 24, 2011, 02:58:37 PM

It'll be really interesting to see how Gollum has progressed since The Two Towers almost 10 years ago. He was impressively done back then. I wonder how convincing he looks now.

I thought he looked a bit shit in broad daylight. At least that be much of a problem this time.

crazyemlyn72 · « **Reply #355 on:** December 24, 2011, 04:03:36 PM »

Quote from: NorthamptonKopite on December 24, 2011, 03:37:39 PM

How is it boring in anyway? What did you want to see?

anyone think that some of the dwarfs looked a bit disneyish? one of them looked like a lot like obelix from astrix the gaul. and then the song, lets be honest its naff.

what did i want to see? good question, and all i can say is, i know what i didnt want to see.

its probably been ruined for me because i though it was gonna be directed by del toro, and i envisioned Pans Labrynth type movie for The Hobbit. which i thought was inspired. now we're never gonna see that. so no matter what happens im never gonna be happy. tough titty for me no doubt!

NorthamptonKopite · « **Reply #356 on:** December 24, 2011, 08:12:49 PM »

Quote from: crazyemlyn72 on December 24, 2011, 04:03:36 PM

anyone think that some of the dwarfs looked a bit disneyish? one of them looked like a lot like obelix from astrix the gaul. and then the song, lets be honest its naff.

what did i want to see? good question, and all i can say is, i know what i didnt want to see.

its probably been ruined for me because i though it was gonna be directed by del toro, and i envisioned Pans Labrynth type movie for The Hobbit. which i thought was inspired. now we're never gonna see that. so no matter what happens im never gonna be happy. tough titty for me no doubt!

Pan's Labyrinth was a decent film, but what else has he done? I personally thought Hellboy was pathetic. I just feel that Peter Jackson's vision of middle earth adds another layer of realism to the world, he's created a fantasy film, but the places, the people, the buildings, the clothes, everything! It's not obscure, or weird, but that's what I love about it, it's believable.

Also, I think it needed to be similar, visually, as the Lord of the Rings. It would be too strange if the whole aesthetics for the world radically changed.

Personally I liked the dwarf song, but I guess it's all down to taste.

Tomaldinho · « **Reply #357 on:** December 25, 2011, 10:49:54 PM »

Quote from: NorthamptonKopite on December 24, 2011, 08:12:49 PM

Pan's Labyrinth was a decent film, but what else has he done? I personally thought Hellboy was pathetic. I just feel that Peter Jackson's vision of middle earth adds another layer of realism to the world, he's created a fantasy film, but the places, the people, the buildings, the clothes, everything! It's not obscure, or weird, but that's what I love about it, it's believable.

Also, I think it needed to be similar, visually, as the Lord of the Rings. It would be too strange if the whole aesthetics for the world radically changed.

Exactly, Jackson's bringing back all the original actors which is awesome

Lady_Brandybuck · « **Reply #358 on:** December 25, 2011, 11:02:06 PM »

Quote from: crazyemlyn72 on December 24, 2011, 04:03:36 PM

anyone think that some of the dwarfs looked a bit disneyish? one of them looked like a lot like obelix from astrix the gaul. and then the song, lets be honest its naff.

what did i want to see? good question, and all i can say is, i know what i didnt want to see.

its probably been ruined for me because i though it was gonna be directed by del toro, and i envisioned Pans Labrynth type movie for The Hobbit. which i thought was inspired. now we're never gonna see that. so no matter what happens im never gonna be happy. tough titty for me no doubt!

Well, it's been a long time since it was said that Del Toro wasn't directing it, so I still don't know what were you expecting to see if you know he's not the director.

I think it's great the Jackson can keep the continuity of his middle earth vision. Is fair enough. Not like the nonsense that ended up being harry potter with all those different directors and keeping the shittiest one till the end, when the best was Alfonso Cuaron.

Mr Dilkington · « **Reply #359 on:** December 26, 2011, 05:33:28 AM »

Quote from: NorthamptonKopite on December 24, 2011, 08:12:49 PM

Pan's Labyrinth was a decent film, but what else has he done? I personally thought Hellboy was pathetic. I just feel that Peter Jackson's vision of middle earth adds another layer of realism to the world, he's created a fantasy film, but the places, the people, the buildings, the clothes, everything! It's not obscure, or weird, but that's what I love about it, it's believable.

Also, I think it needed to be similar, visually, as the Lord of the Rings. It would be too strange if the whole aesthetics for the world radically changed.

Personally I liked the dwarf song, but I guess it's all down to taste.

One of the best genre movies ever made IMO.