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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #280 on: July 23, 2011, 11:09:40 AM »
Bloody hell, I didnt realise James Nesbitt was in this. Haha, how strange.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #281 on: July 23, 2011, 02:19:46 PM »
Gobias - go back and read the book. The riders pour through the shield wall. Theoden gazes across to the ongoing battle and: "...he seemed to shrink down, cowed by age..." but then the wind changes.. "light was glimmering. Far, far away, in the South the clouds could be dimly seen...  At that same moment there was a flash, as if lightning had sprung from the earth beneath the city. For a searing second it stood dazzling far off in the black and white, it's topmost tower like a glittering needle; and then as the darkness closed again there came rolling over the fields a great boom.

At that sound the bent shape of the King sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, more clear than any there had ever heard before:

Arise, arise, Riders of Theoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter
Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

I don't actually see how that is so different from what happened in the film. The Rohirrim arrive on the field and Theoden looks down at the Orcs and the look he gives in that moment is the line "He seemed to shrink down, cowed by age" Now I'm not saying he shrinks down. But that look is the films equivalent of that line. He looks down and sees what they are up against and you can see in his eyes that he knows, or thinks he knows, they can't win.

The "flash of lightning" bit never happened in the film. In the book that is what shakes the King and makes him go into his speech. In the film, his own determination wins out against his pessimism and that shakes him into battle mode. He gives his bannermen their orders, which he had done prior to arrival in the book, and then goes into the speech. From that moment their is no morbidity at all, other than the Rohirrim chanting "Death!" which was lifted from a little further on in the book and was a great decision in my mind. The chant of death shows the Orcs that they are not afraid of what is to come. They ride happily to death for honour.

Now, of course there are changes there, but I don't see how the overall mood of the scene is that different between the two. There isn't rampant morbidity in the films version as you claim.

Peter Jackson's retelling of the charge was definitely not perfect, but it isn't as far from it as some make out. But I still think the music fit beautifully. It had trumpets and whatever you expect from a cavalry charge mixed in with touches of music that had defined Rohan since the second film. It wasn't just a cavalry charge, it was the charge of the Rohirrim, and I think it conveyed that well. It starts off with the violins etc, but grows to a crescendo. It gets faster and louder as the Rohirrim get faster and closer to the Orcs.

My biggest problem with that scene wasn't the music. It was Theoden riding along the front of his host shouting "Ride now!" and no one moving. Surely that makes no sense. He shouldn't have been shouting that. He should have been shouting something different. When he shouts "Ride now! Ride now! Ride to Gondor!" in the book, he immediately takes a horn and blows it asunder and they set off. In this, there is about a minute between him shouting "Ride now!" and them setting off. It's silly.

I haven't contested that the film version was different. I'm contesting that there was no tragedy in the Ride of the Rohirrim and that all any of them cared about was the honour they would receive, dying in battle.

"So it was that in the gathering gloom the King of the Mark made ready to lead all his Riders on the eastward road. Hearts were heavy and many quailed in the shadow. But they were a stern people, loyal to their lord, and little weeping or murmuring was heard, even in the camp in the Hold where the exiles from Edoras were housed, women and children and old men. Doom hung over them, but they faced it silently."

"All the lands were grey and still; and ever the shadow deepened before them, and hope waned in every heart."

These quotes are from before and during their ride to Gondor, but they are still relevant to the telling of the later scene. The impending doom didn't cease to exist just because the Rohirrim were about to charge. These men thought their culture was going to be wiped out if they failed, and they didn't think they could win.

The rest of the quotes you made were during the battle itself and I don't see how you can say that was morbid in the film, other than all the obvious death that was happening. Those quotes don't pertain to the bit of the film or the book that we are talking about.

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #282 on: July 23, 2011, 02:55:15 PM »
Sorry mate, but I have to disagree. The mood before the flash of lightning (Gandalf confronting the King of the Nazgul) is one thing. The charge itself takes place in a completely different mood. There is light and a fresh wind (marking Aragorn's imminent arrival) in the south.

Your original argument was that the music signified a fatalistic attack with no hope of success. That's completely different from the book where the charge is a joyous thing... "they sang as they slew".

The 'Death!..." thing makes no sense at this point in the story and changes the feeling completely.

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #283 on: July 23, 2011, 06:29:57 PM »
So exited about this now it's getting closer. The stills have wet my appetite but I'm a little disappointed they aren't wearing their coloured hoods. Do we expect them to be dropped from the films? Small detail I know but I liked them and always pictured them in them and identified them by their colours in my head.

I'm also hoping that although only mentioned in the book we will get into what happened between the wizards and Sauron in Mirkwood. Think that would make a great ending to pt 1.

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #284 on: July 23, 2011, 06:58:35 PM »
Cracking line up and really looking forward to seeing this when it comes out at the back end of the year.  Looking forward to seeing Ken Stott amongst many many other talents that are in the cast, some of the official pictures that have just come out is putting us in the mood to what's to come.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #285 on: July 23, 2011, 08:04:39 PM »
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« Reply #286 on: July 24, 2011, 11:51:08 AM »
Back end of next year.

Bit of wishful thinking on my behalf I suppose  :)
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #287 on: July 24, 2011, 12:20:42 PM »
Is Christopher Lee definitely in this? Sure I read recently he's in pretty poor health these days :(
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #288 on: July 24, 2011, 12:52:53 PM »
Is Christopher Lee definitely in this? Sure I read recently he's in pretty poor health these days :(
he is. There was a production video last week and he was in it.

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Re: The Hobbit
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #290 on: July 24, 2011, 02:18:46 PM »
True what Peter Jackson says, must be hell having so many dwarves and how you can make then individual characters. Especially with such similar names and how they all appear at the same time.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #291 on: July 24, 2011, 06:38:16 PM »
This video here, in fact. It shows quite a bit of the dwarves in context, which improves them for me.

http://video.l3.fbcdn.net/cfs-l3-ash4/232151/738/10150326323406807_16253.mp4?oh=6192c45f67583c249503a422517e68af&oe=4E2EB800&l3s=20110724054008&l3e=20110726055008&lh=0a2a5bf55e33fc5bf4f8a

Nice, they do look far better in that video compared to the stills, can't wait.

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #292 on: July 30, 2011, 07:19:42 AM »
I'm with you on the 3d, but at least with this it's being shot at 48 fps, so that should take care of the dimness.
I asked some film makers about this and one told me that the 48 fps choice is to prevent diziness from motion blur and fuzziness- I'm not sure it helps the candle power of the image.

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #293 on: November 4, 2011, 11:03:39 AM »
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #294 on: November 4, 2011, 11:17:52 AM »
Better be a good movie. ._.

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« Reply #295 on: November 25, 2011, 03:31:17 AM »
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #296 on: December 21, 2011, 03:31:49 AM »
Trailer OUT NOW!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0k3kHtyoqc

Enjoy!  ;D

Edit: Wow, looks great! ... can't believe we still have to wait a full year! FFS
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #297 on: December 21, 2011, 03:58:26 AM »
Trailer OUT NOW!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0k3kHtyoqc

Enjoy!  ;D

Edit: Wow, looks great! ... can't believe we still have to wait a full year! FFS
Just came on here to post it ;D

Looks brilliant. Cannot wait!

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #298 on: December 21, 2011, 03:59:25 AM »
Trailer OUT NOW!!!

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Enjoy!  ;D

Edit: Wow, looks great! ... can't believe we still have to wait a full year! FFS


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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #299 on: December 21, 2011, 07:02:48 AM »
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« Reply #300 on: December 21, 2011, 09:29:11 AM »
That trailer made me drool.
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« Reply #301 on: December 21, 2011, 09:37:55 AM »
I'm literally crying right now because I have to wait another year for this.  :-[
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #302 on: December 21, 2011, 10:10:30 AM »
Brilliant trailer! Gives me the delicious LOTR shivers all over again. I don't remember Galadriel in the book though? And we didn't see Beorn the Bear.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #303 on: December 21, 2011, 11:03:27 AM »
OH FUUUUUUUCCKIIIIING SPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNKKK!!!!
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« Reply #304 on: December 21, 2011, 11:13:07 AM »
Great trailer, one of my favourite books, can't wait.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #305 on: December 21, 2011, 11:20:34 AM »
Seriously though, how absolutely perfect and seamless does that look?

Beyond my lofty expectations. Cannot fucking wait to see this.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #306 on: December 21, 2011, 11:26:04 AM »
Oh no, dear Lord please help us and end it all now, the thought of more fucking elves prancing around in scenes like the artwork on a 70's Yes album cover and then people droning constantly on about it afterwards as if it's a life changing cultural event....



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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #307 on: December 21, 2011, 11:46:35 AM »
This movie is gonna be fantastic. Looks like Peter and the team are going to be pushing filmmaking boundaries once again.

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #308 on: December 21, 2011, 11:48:30 AM »
Oh wow. Just, oh wow.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #309 on: December 21, 2011, 11:58:28 AM »
Looks exactly like Jackson's LOTR, predictable and 'play it safe'.
I'm now even more sad that Del Toro did not get to stamp his mark on this.


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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #310 on: December 21, 2011, 12:07:26 PM »
Is this going to be shown in 2D as well as 3D?
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #311 on: December 21, 2011, 12:10:11 PM »
Is this going to be shown in 2D as well as 3D?

It will be shown in 3D, only a select few theaters will have 2D.

Looks exactly like Jackson's LOTR, predictable and 'play it safe'.
I'm now even more sad that Del Toro did not get to stamp his mark on this.

I would have been in the same bracket until I realised that playing it safe would have been the same option, Jackson captured the feel of Middle Earth spectacularly I thought, I wouldn't mind more of it.
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« Reply #312 on: December 21, 2011, 12:11:44 PM »
Looks exactly like Jackson's LOTR, predictable and 'play it safe'.
I'm now even more sad that Del Toro did not get to stamp his mark on this.

Good, because anything else would more than likely be wank.

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« Reply #313 on: December 21, 2011, 12:18:45 PM »
It's the missed opportunity of seeing another vision of this world, another artistic hand involved that irks me a bit.
Here we'll have just more of the same, already seen in Lord of the rings, every aspect of it will more-less be recycled.
I'm also somehow bored to fucking death of the way he shoots action shots, so that part of the adventure is pretty much spoiled in advance. Dunno, just made me remember that Del Toro could have done this and now, peeking into Jackson's Hobbit, it seems like something I'd rather watch.

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« Reply #314 on: December 21, 2011, 12:58:40 PM »
Looks exactly like Jackson's LOTR, predictable and 'play it safe'.
I'm now even more sad that Del Toro did not get to stamp his mark on this.

I really do not see anything wrong with this. Jackson's LOTR, especially the extended editions (do not marathon those in a single day btw. Just don't), is fantastic. It would have been really nice to see another director's take, and I love Guillermo del Toro and was seriously looking forward to the kind of crazy shit he would've come up with, but I have no problem with this. Even more excited now than I was before, if that's possible.

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #315 on: December 21, 2011, 01:36:55 PM »
Well, he's utterly predictable, I'll give him that. Oh well.  :boring

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #316 on: December 21, 2011, 02:56:51 PM »
hobbit and lotr are connected so its fair enough keeping it looking the same, same feel etc.

just let del toro loose on some silmarillion stuff. 

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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #317 on: December 21, 2011, 05:39:47 PM »
It will be shown in 3D, only a select few theaters will have 2D.


Thanks, hope one close to me does as I cant do 3D as I got a dodgy eye.
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Re: The Hobbit
« Reply #318 on: December 21, 2011, 05:45:12 PM »
Brilliant trailer! Gives me the delicious LOTR shivers all over again. I don't remember Galadriel in the book though? And we didn't see Beorn the Bear.

I think Beorn will be for the second movie, this one will go till he finds the ring, at least that's my guess.

I find it fair to be similar (image related) to LOTR, it gives continuity to the story.
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« Reply #319 on: December 21, 2011, 06:31:03 PM »
Stunning trailer, was a bit 'meh' about this initially but the trailer has well and truly won me over. I think it gets across the much lighter tone of the book compared to the trilogy, it looks fun!

Love the song and Shore's score towards the end, that shot of him singing gave me shivers :)

And Freeman looks absolutely perfect casting as Bilbo, inspired choice.
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