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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #760 on: June 5, 2012, 01:59:22 AM »
Bloody hell!

(I'll post something more coherent tomorrow. Maybe.)
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #761 on: June 5, 2012, 02:11:50 AM »
This really is beginning to rival The Wire as the greatest thing i've ever seen on television and that last episode was as good as television drama has ever been, everything about it was quality, the acting, the script, the direction, the pacing, the choice of music, it really was stunning television.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #762 on: June 5, 2012, 11:43:25 AM »
Amazing

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #763 on: June 5, 2012, 05:37:05 PM »
I'm just downloading season's 1 and 2,so how good is this? Thank's in advance.

Having asked.I can see it's very highly thought of from the 3 comment's above.

The only thing I've seen that rival's The Wire is Breaking Bad,up to now.
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #764 on: June 5, 2012, 06:23:11 PM »
I'm just downloading season's 1 and 2,so how good is this? Thank's in advance.

Having asked.I can see it's very highly thought of from the 3 comment's above.

The only thing I've seen that rival's The Wire is Breaking Bad,up to now.
I have seen Mad Men, The Wire and Breaking Bad and would rate Mad Men on equal footing to the other two shows. Brilliant television.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #765 on: June 6, 2012, 03:25:36 AM »
Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

I think this just overtook 'The Wire'.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #766 on: June 6, 2012, 04:47:32 PM »
This week's episode damn near broke my heart. Can't believe there's only 1 episode left this series (or season, if we're talking US-centric).

Has Elisabeth Moss actually left the show now? I can't imagine Mad Men without Peggy.
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #767 on: June 6, 2012, 08:22:57 PM »
Alan Sepinwall points out the similarity in Don's reaction to his brother's suicide and Lane's:

Though this was Lane's farewell episode, this is Don Draper's show, and as the tragic news punched him in the gut, I couldn't help but think of a prior situation Don found himself in very much like this one. This isn't the first time, after all, that Don has learned that a man he knew well (even if he tried to hold him at a distance) had hung himself as a result of Don telling him to leave. Before there was Lane Pryce, there was Adam Whitman. The circumstances, and Don's motivation, were different, but the end result is the same: rather than run away, Dick Whitman tells someone else to do the same, and that man instead ties a length of rope around his neck and violently exits this life of ours. Even Don's reaction is framed similarly each time:



Here's a contrary opinion on Lane Price (RIP, YNWA), a character I rather liked (not least for punching Pete). I disagree with the premise of the article, but the great thing about Mad Men is that it provokes so many well-written analysis pieces.

Lane Pryce's Disjointed, Predictable Journey on 'Mad Men' Season 5
A minor character departs and no tears are shed here, just thoughts on lost opportunities for others past and present.
by Tim Goodman

This will, of course, go down as The Lane Suicide Episode, but it won’t go down as one of the better Mad Men episodes. I suppose if you think of Mad Men only as a sophisticated soap opera, then it delivered to you something of a shock and, at the very least, some action. Lane kills himself. Gasp. But if you watch Mad Men for something deeper, this is the What Took You So Long? episode or the Why Are We Even Doing This? episode. Here’s why: The Lane story this season has been both odd – or, more accurately, disjointed – and predictable. If you didn’t know that the embezzlement mixed with unhappiness would lead him to kill himself, well, not much is going to help you there. And while there was great humor in Lane’s failed suicide inside the Jaguar because it wouldn’t start, it wasn’t like anyone thought he’d given up on the notion. Thus, the office hanging completely lacked surprise.

In “Commissions and Fees” – even the title gave it away – I much preferred the more subtle and far more important character changes in both Don and (shocker) Betty.

Don’s slow excavation this season from his existential crises took a few more baby steps when he got his mojo back at work, continued his newfound patience and understanding as a husband and took a moment to divert Glen from the all-compassing pointlessness of life that has enveloped Dick/Don for years as he gives the kid a chance to drive a car for the first time, to experience some joy in life. Sometimes, as Don knows all too well, it’s those little moments that keep you going because, hey, maybe there will be another moment like that right after you deal with a bunch of other soul-crushing crap in your life.

And to me, the drive in the car was worth the more heavy-handed dialogue Glen spoke in the elevator: “Everything you think is going to make you happy just turns to crap.” That, in case you were diverted by the clothes and the booze, is really the central message of Mad Men, though it would have made for a clunky show title. I was willing to take that line -- one that is such a fog-cutting declarative sentence about what the show has been trying to get at -- despite it coming from Glen, who had no real reason to spout it. Never mind that he’s been creepy and his parents divorced or whatnot; those are separate issues. The actual line pertains to what happened to him that day, but it doesn’t make a connection because if he really loved Sally or really wanted to sleep with her, he defused both notions when they were in the museum (a segment I was hoping would be more than it amounted to), as did she. He wasn’t bluffing when he said he thought of her as a little sister. The trip into the city to see her seems more a chance to escape some oppression at school and see a friend than anything momentous. While I have no doubt that Glen and Sally bond over loneliness or displacement, just missing the connection of spending a day with her would not prompt Glen to drop such a depressing bomb in the elevator.

I bring that up because it’s just a minor writing device that worked but was placed in the wrong hands (or mouth, as it were). Extrapolate that a hundredfold, and you’ve got “the Lane situation.” While Jared Harris is a wonderful actor who had many fine turns in Mad Men, his character served no real purpose after the formation of SCDP (which might now be SCDH – for Joan). In fairness, what did work was his desire to escape England (and his father and, yes, his loving wife) to be remade in America. It’s a very Don-like notion. Also, his relentless and odd and sometimes funny pursuit of happiness also fit in, but the question is, at the cost of what (or whom)? Ultimately, the Lane storyline felt tacked on, an addition that sometimes went places but mostly did not (see the Season 5 opening two hours). Also, and for me most damning: I don’t think Lane would have gone the embezzlement route. I just never bought it. He could have asked for a loan; the notion of pride hindering that just doesn’t work. The moment he cooked the books, he was doomed -- and everybody should have seen that coming, even up to the suicide. It was a predictable end to an unpredictable character.

Instead of following Lane all these years -- on a path that never really paid off emotionally -- wouldn’t you rather have had Mad Men follow Sal? Once they fire themselves and start a new firm, the Sal storyline could have been picked back up and, with Sal being gay, it seems like there would be more to say as the culture changed in the background. Beyond that, since Sal was an original, I believe he was a bigger fan favorite than Lane ever was.

So considering all of that, my reaction to Lane hanging himself was more good riddance than sorrow. That’s not callous, it’s a practical application to the Mad Men story. Here we are in Season 5, a season dominated by Megan storylines, and we have almost nothing at all to say about Betty and certainly more that could be said about Peggy. Hell, I would trade 90 percent of the Lane storylines to get more Ken Cosgrove storylines. That’s essentially my frustration with Lane and why this episode didn’t conjure up more sympathy. He always felt like an extraneous part in the story.

On the other hand, this was an episode where Roger was funny throughout. And relevant. Matt Weiner’s Season 5 theme of selfishness played out nicely in a number of characters, as well.

What worked the best was Betty finally being allowed to have a positive emotion toward her children. Her early-episode pissing match with Sally kept up what we’ve seen from her basically since Sally was born: disdain, inflexibility that turns to anger or resentment because Betty, too, is a child. So wanting to “strangle” Sally and then dumping her on Don in the least helpful or loving or even safe way possible was pure Betty, who continues to be played as the evil ice queen (even though her “child bride” line to Don was funny). And then, out of nowhere, when Sally gets her period, she goes running to her mother. This is a difficult and complicated emotion to make believable on television (particularly when you’ve been directing the viewers to behave a certain way toward a character for so long), but that’s what made it so great. Despite it all, Sally returns to Betty. And in doing so, Betty’s veneer breaks. She’s there for her as a mother. She’s taken aback by the strength of Sally’s embrace (a mother being every child’s “home base” no matter what’s transpired between them). Both Betty and Sally each give a little here. It’s not Megan who Sally runs to (partly because I think Sally understands that while Megan treats her more like an adult, the reality is that she’s not treating her as a mother would, with boundaries put in place for a reason  -- not letting her drink coffee and listen to conversations about whether the carpet matches the drapes). She goes back to Betty because, in that moment, she needs a mother. It was essential, too, that the writers let Betty’s ice crack and show some humanity. It was nice to see and a long time coming.

As for Don, we might see in the season finale if he feels responsible for Lane’s suicide, but he shouldn’t. He was covering for Lane, giving him a chance to resign and not have a firing on his résumé. He gave him time to plan “an elegant exit.” Bigger still, he was going to cover the money and there wouldn’t be any legal issues. Lane committing suicide is just another example of selfishness, since that is ultimately what suicide is -- concern about oneself and not those who surround you.

But what Don did seem to take from Lane’s suicide is a reminder that reinvention -- and running -- is not for everybody. Lane didn’t feel relief upon being caught. He didn’t think this was the hardest part and it would get better. He thought it was the end. And he acted on it. If this were Don, he'd be in California by now.

Lane's suicide is partly why Don doesn’t let young Glen get his mind working in that direction. Living in your head, examining what you want and don’t have, searching for happiness and not finding it even when you get it -- that’s what Mad Men is about. It’s another small gesture in Don’s evolution that he’s going to delay Glen’s own existential crises just a little bit longer by letting him find some happiness in the little things. Maybe Don is beginning to realize that’s where most of our happiness lies.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #768 on: June 6, 2012, 09:26:36 PM »
Interesting article, but I don't have that opinion myself. And his over riding desire seems to be surprised. Great pics, though.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #769 on: June 6, 2012, 09:55:42 PM »
Good article, I too found the embezzling storyline a little off when thinking about it. I also agree that letting Sal go out of the show was disappointing, his storyline had developed really well and had some of the most interesting and heartbreaking scenes early on in the show.
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #770 on: June 6, 2012, 11:02:54 PM »
Jesus. They should of called that episode Bad Luck Lane


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« Reply #771 on: June 7, 2012, 12:50:27 AM »

Has Elisabeth Moss actually left the show now? I can't imagine Mad Men without Peggy.

Just found an article that answers my own question. Seems weird to write her out with hardly any fanfare whatsoever:

http://www.vulture.com/2012/06/is-elisabeth-moss-staying-on-mad-men.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nymag/vulture+%28Vulture+-+nymag.com%27s+Entertainment+and+Culture+Blog%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

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Wondering why Elisabeth Moss's Peggy didn't put in an appearance on this week's Mad Men episode? Well, The Daily interviewed Jared Harris, and when he was asked why there was no going-away party when his character was written off the show, Harris made a worrisome comparison. "Elisabeth left the episode before and she’d been there since the beginning," replied Harris. "People leave and it’s just part of it. They didn’t make a giant fuss." Wait ... does Harris mean that when Peggy left SCDP, she left the show entirely? Equivocated the actor, "Um ... I have no idea what Matthew Weiner intends to do and even then I couldn’t tell you." Eep!
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« Reply #772 on: June 7, 2012, 12:52:09 AM »
Foreshadowing!

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #773 on: June 7, 2012, 02:06:45 PM »
Endorse all the compliments paid to this latest series of Mad Men.

So much going on with the characters that an episode seems to last 15 minutes and the series a month.

Brilliant in many ways and I hope we get to see how Peggy fares in her new agency. Could we see a tug of war over a big juicy contract such as Firestone with her agency and SCDH. (assume Joan will get her name in there) Surely Peggy hasn't gone forever.

Don hit 40 at the start of this season and he is changing bit by bit. He would never have listened to Glenn the way he did in earlier years and he has learnt to give and take if he wants Megan to be happy.

He is back on track in his job with the hard sell to Firestone and has surely learnt that you can't treat women in work the same way he did with his female friends outside. Peggy wasn't going to lie down and take it.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #774 on: June 7, 2012, 02:13:31 PM »
Roll on Season 6.
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #775 on: June 8, 2012, 12:37:11 PM »
For most of "Mad Men" Season 5, there have been multiple hints about someone committing suicide, and all along many thought it was going to be Pete Campbell (Vincent Kartheiser). As viewers discovered last week, it was actually the troubled Lane Pryce (Jared Harris) who paid the ultimate price. So what can fans of the AMC drama expect going into the Season 5 finale after that deeply emotional episode?

HuffPost TV spoke with Vincent Kartheiser over the phone and he spoke candidly about the darkness of Season 5, how Pete has changed, and confirmed that John Slattery is the coolest guy alive.

Wow, that episode. What are you guys trying to do to us?
[Laughs.] Yeah. What did you think of it?

Well, we all kind of knew it was coming, but it was still shocking.
Did you think it was going to be Lane?

I think many people thought it was going to be you, but after a while it was pretty clear what was going to happen.
Oh, wow. Really? And once the episode started, you knew it was Lane.

Yeah, exactly. What was the vibe on set while you were shooting the episode? Was there heaviness to it?
Surprisingly not. We're all going to miss Jar [Harris], and we all had the opportunity on set to tell him how remorseful we were that we wouldn't be getting the opportunity to work with him anymore. We all love his character portrayal every week -- we really do. But as for the actual shooting of the episode, we're all professionals. And the set was still light, even though the material was dark.

Would you agree that this season on the whole has been very dark and dour? Everyone seems so depressed, or in dire straits.
Yeah, I think it's a tragic season. Everything's changing so fast, especially in the world around them, and that can put men of a certain age at a crisis point.

What about Pete? He's certainly changed a lot this season as well.
Well, Don Draper's been on love leave, and Roger Sterling doesn't really want to deal with that many accounts, and so in the office Pete is head of accounts, and he's a junior partner. He's running the boat. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing. I think he stays a bit late sometimes because he likes being in the city, and he doesn't look forward to the train ride back to the 'burbs. In his personal life ... his ego and his self-worth are shaken a little bit. As adults, we have this idea that when we accomplish things that we want to accomplish, it will give us a sense of importance, security and well-being. As most people know after a certain age, when they actually do accomplish these things, it doesn't really do all of that. It doesn't solve your problems, it doesn't make you feel better, and I think Pete is finally realizing that this season. You can get the respect of your peers and the respect of your competitors, but that's not necessarily going to right all the wrongs. That's why Pete reaches out in desperate ways sometimes -- the young girl at the school, or another man's wife.

Pete certainly upped the hate ante when he "pimped out" Joan. He's public enemy No. 1 now.
I'll say this: I would personally never do that, just to be clear. I don't think the fact that it happened in the '60s makes it any less despicable. It's despicable, regardless of how or when you do it. I'll also say: Businesses oftentimes have to resort to things that they would never want the public to know they resorted to, in order to get a foothold. What's the old saying? "Most great corporations were started with a great crime." It's true! And Pete is OK being the guy making that really rough call -- he can stomach it. He can stomach how the sausage is made. The rest of them sit around and say, "It's not my choice," and Pete stands up and says, "I'll do it. I'll go to him. I'll go to her. I'll go over Don's head." I don't respect him for it, but I do think sometimes it takes someone like that, someone ready to be accountable, in order to get ahead.

Pete's lust for success never seems to end.
No one's does. That's what ambition does to you. Once you have something, you always want more. And you also don't want to let go of what you've acquired -- status, money, all that. There's a reason why multimillionaires continue to go to work every day.

From all the research I've done about you, your real-life personality seems about as far away from Pete as can be. Do you ever feel like you have two different identities?
Nah. We all have different parts of ourselves, and I'm sure there are people out there who think I'm one way, and other people who think I'm the exact opposite. And you know, I think there's plenty of me in Pete Campbell. People on the show like to say that I'm very different from my character, but what else are they gonna say? I play a really despicable, ugly character. To most people, that summation is what the character represents. So my co-stars don't want to completely ruin my love life. They're trying to be nice. [Laughs].

How do you reconcile playing this type of character? Do you ever look in the mirror with disgust?
No, no. It's fun. And I can relate with most of the things Pete does. I'm not saying I do them, but most of his actions -- in those situations -- are justifiable. I don't think it's that far off from what other people would do.

On a lighter note, the fistfight episode. How fun was that to shoot?
Yeah, that was great. I loved that whole episode. John Slattery directed that one, and he's amazing at it. He helped me so much with my performance. I don't really gush that much about anyone, but he deserves every bit of it. It was really fun to delve into those corners of Pete's psyche.

Is John Slattery as awesome as he seems on the show?
The man is a laugh a minute. He's great. He is the coolest guy in the world. So charming. Jon Hamm is too. They're both really charming dudes; it's pretty ridiculous. When I'm around them, I don't even try to be funny or cute. I don't try to be any of the good adjectives because they have those on lockdown. [Laughs.]

And I know you're not going to be able to tell me, but what could possibly happen in the finale?
I can't tell you that, my brother. But watch and see. It's a great one.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/07/vincent-kartheiser-pete-campbell-mad-men-finale_n_1574886.html?ref=entertainment?ref=entertainment&ir=Entertainment&ref=entertainment
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« Reply #776 on: June 9, 2012, 04:24:01 PM »
not read any of this thread but have just watched season1 1&2 in a week.Now on episode 3 of season 3...
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« Reply #777 on: June 9, 2012, 04:32:11 PM »
not read any of this thread but have just watched season1 1&2 in a week.Now on episode 3 of season 3...
I take it you find it quite enjoyable then?

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« Reply #778 on: June 10, 2012, 03:07:17 PM »
Just watched the 12 episodes of season 5 in three days, in time for tonights finale. I don't think you can compare Mad Men to other shows as they are all so different but it's definitely up there with the best shows ever - funny, entertaining, uncomfortable, challenging and cerebral.

if you get time and haven't seen it before, watch it. Just a shame it's over again for another year, thank God for the Euros, that should keep me going until breaking bad.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #779 on: June 11, 2012, 04:05:16 AM »
I had tons to say, but then Roger at the end. He is so fucking great.

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« Reply #780 on: June 11, 2012, 04:08:08 AM »
Judging by that closing sequence, next year the return of the "Old Don Draper?" Personally, I think it's potentially more of a tease than a reality. Pete on the other hand....

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« Reply #781 on: June 11, 2012, 07:51:11 AM »
not read any of this thread but have just watched season1 1&2 in a week.Now on episode 3 of season 3...

It's just about to start getting verrrry good for you Pheeny.

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« Reply #782 on: June 11, 2012, 12:45:06 PM »
Wouldnt surprise me if we never see Megan in another episode. Don walking away from the commercial set seemed to be something like him walking away from the old and into the new ( even though his new is actually his old, but still.... ).

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« Reply #783 on: June 11, 2012, 12:57:25 PM »
Seemed like Sterling travelled the least distance out of anyone in that entire season.

He's still stuck in his purgatory, just as he was in episode one. Everyone else seems to have ended up in a different place except him.

It suits him though really. Considering he's done relatively little in terms of his characters development it's been incredibly gripping watching him be 'trapped'.

Lots of seeds have been sewn for Rodger for the next season though, cant wait to see what comes of him. Comfortably the best character imo.

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« Reply #784 on: June 11, 2012, 03:29:04 PM »
I thought Roger went through a lot this season; his potential obsolescence at work, his mind expanding activities away from work which seemed to make him much more open to different things, divorcing his wife and so on.

Another super boss episode anyway. It was a remarkably good season as well, the odd misstep like Don's crazy dream rampage apart, it was just about perfect and as good as season four for me. I want to watch whole thing again straight away.

The ending montage was just amazing, Don walking away from Megan into darkness, Peggy watching two dogs fucking (haha!), Roger ripped off his tits again all scored perfectly to You Only Live Twice. Don and everyone else in the show are now alone and dealing with it in very different ways

If anything Pete didn't get punched in the face enough this season
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« Reply #785 on: June 11, 2012, 08:28:09 PM »
I thought Roger went through a lot this season; his potential obsolescence at work, his mind expanding activities away from work which seemed to make him much more open to different things, divorcing his wife and so on.


He went through some stuff. But where did it get him? He'd been divorced before.

Still appeared to be in his rut chasing a meaning in life. Same promiscuity, same lax attitude towards his work, wanting to try LSD again just to escape for a while.

The fact he's living in a hotel mirrors his living day to day aimlessly through life.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #786 on: June 11, 2012, 11:01:56 PM »
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #787 on: June 11, 2012, 11:21:11 PM »
Utterly, utterly fantastic. I can't believe that season's finished. 12 weeks just flew by in a flash. That's testament to its quality though.

And Roger Sterling - brilliant right up until the end.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #788 on: June 12, 2012, 12:14:01 AM »
Thought it was kinda weak myself. We've seen an awful lot of Megan this season, and personally I could have done without her feeling down because she hasn't got any acting jobs. Well boo-hoo. There's more interesting characters that they could have spent more time on - Joan, or Roger for example. Great to see Peggy back, and as always, great to see Pete getting smacked.   
They're drawing the parallels between Pete/Trudy now and Don/Betty of the early years pretty thick though, even down to Pete boasting that on the new floor he'll have the same view as Don.

Loved the montage at the end (I think they always end a season with a montage) and the shot from the rear of the 5 partners viewing the new floor was a real hero shot.

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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #789 on: June 12, 2012, 12:14:07 AM »
It's up there with the best season of tv ever for me.

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« Reply #790 on: June 12, 2012, 08:53:51 AM »
great again, loved the shots at the end with partners standing in the empty office space. (possibly a name change to SCDC to reflect Pete Campbells) And his comment about having the same view as Don, this is the guy who in the first season was looking to take Dons office when they were expecting him to be fired
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« Reply #791 on: June 12, 2012, 10:01:22 AM »
I take it you find it quite enjoyable then?
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« Reply #792 on: June 12, 2012, 10:37:13 AM »
great again, loved the shots at the end with partners standing in the empty office space. (possibly a name change to SCDC to reflect Pete Campbells) And his comment about having the same view as Don, this is the guy who in the first season was looking to take Dons office when they were expecting him to be fired

Don't forget Joan either, she should get her name in the title. Don's "congratulations" to Pete after he said that was hilarious.
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #793 on: June 12, 2012, 01:37:36 PM »
And the floor above Don, right?

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« Reply #794 on: June 12, 2012, 02:06:52 PM »
Loved this shot



Almost as good as Don watching Megan's reel through the smoke, stunning.
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #795 on: June 12, 2012, 02:14:47 PM »
Great season, best of all so far IMO, hope they can keep it going.

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« Reply #796 on: June 12, 2012, 02:21:50 PM »

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« Reply #797 on: June 12, 2012, 03:05:32 PM »
And the floor above Don, right?
Yep even going to get his own city apartment now as well

Trying to think if there's any symbolism of Dons toothache throughout the episode as well
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« Reply #798 on: June 12, 2012, 03:11:45 PM »
Trying to think if there's any symbolism of Dons toothache throughout the episode as well

Rotten tooth = rotten soul re. Lane and his brother. It gives him pain but he'll get over it if he just carries on as normal. Typical Don.
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Re: Mad Men: US TV Show from Sopranos Writer
« Reply #799 on: June 13, 2012, 03:08:47 AM »
Just started watching season 2. Is Don still a partner in Sterling Cooper?  I thought at the end of S1 they made him and he took that guy's job, the one who had a heart attack, but now he's back in his old office taking orders from him.(was ordered to end Mohwak airline deal)
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