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Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« on: February 6, 2008, 02:15:56 pm »
LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION
"Sons of Shankly"

You may or may not have heard of us. But here's a little bit about who we are.
 
To do exactly as it says on the tin. A Union for all Liverpool Supporters.
A voice that represents us all. A platform for us all to stand together and fight for what we believe in.
 
It is early days, and more details of how the organisation will grow will appear over the next few weeks and months. But the catalyst for our formation.....
 
We want Tom Hicks and George Gillett out of our club - why?
 
THEY LIED & HAVE JEOPARDISED OUR CLUB FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN
 
They promised that all loans would be would be secured against their own personal assets.
 
THEY LIED

•They have taken out a loan of £350m. £105m has been secured against the club and £245m against Kop Holdings – which owns 100% of Liverpool Football Club and has only one source of revenue: The Club.
 
•So, regardless of the smoke and mirrors, Liverpool Football Club has to pay all of the interest on all of the £350m.
 
•The interest payments alone for this debt will be around £30m each year. All of which will be payable by Liverpool FC – more than enough to wipe out the club's operating profit.
 
•Gillett and Hicks have only taken out this new loan over an 18 month contract. This is very unusual for a deal of this size; three years is the usual minimum term. Wall Street analysts believe that this is because they had difficulty in getting the banks to lend them the money. Which raises questions about:
 
THE STADIUM

• £60m of that loan has been earmarked for starting construction of the new ground.
 
•There is no funding yet in place to complete the stadium, nor has planning permission been granted for a 71,000 capacity. Existing consent is for 60,000, with any increase depending upon improvements to transport and car parking. With no underground car park, the new plans have less car parking than the original 60,000 design!
 
•If they can't borrow again in 18 months then they cannot complete the stadium. How can they pledge now that the stadium will be built? In the same way they pledged it would be well on its way to completion twelve months ago – by misleading us.
 
•So do they actually intend to complete the building of the new stadium?
 
•Should Hicks & Gillett get the loan to actually build the new ground, the additional interest payments will be £25m per year.
 
•This will leave Liverpool Football Club to shoulder annual payments of £55m in interest alone. Which begs the question:
   
WHERE WILL THE FUNDS COME FROM FOR TRANSFERS?

•  When they took over, Hicks & Gillett promised to back the manager in the transfer market.
 
•From the two transfer windows Hicks and Gillett have owned the club for, Benitez has spent £48.5m on players, and recouped £33.5m in player sales. A net spend of £15m. This is the up-to-date figure that includes the purchase of Skrtel and the sale of Sissoko.
 
•The club brought in around £30m from the run to the Champions League Final last season alone. On top of this there is the increased TV money the club's has received.
 
•Where is the money Gillett and Hicks have backed the manager with? They've lied to us, they've manipulated the press, and some people have believed the spin. We won't.
 
•In reality, after all the talk about money and Snoogy Doogy, the manager has spent £15m in the last two transfer windows. How is that backing him in the transfer market?
 
It is about time the real picture was painted for all Liverpool fans out there.
They promised to respect the club's heritage, history and traditions.
 
THEY HAVE LIED AND LIED.

They asked to be judged on what their actions. Well they have failed to make a start or produce the funding on the stadium, the major reason why David Moores looked for investment, they have failed to back the manager in the transfer market, They have not put one single cent of their own money into this club and they have undermined the traditions of the football club and the office of manager.
 
They have, however, managed to create huge debt for LFC to pay off without any end product.
 
How, exactly, is the football club in a better position now than it was twelve months ago under David Moores?
 
After the Sunderland game, we staged a 15 minutes stay behind protest at the end of the game. We intend to do the same again.
 
During the protest, Steve McManaman commented on Setanta that the Americans had backed the manager in the transfer market, secured their new loan bringing money into the club, and we should all forget about it and move on. We don't blame McManaman, a fair number of good Reds have been won over by their spin, so why shouldn't a blue?
 
So it's time to spread the message and get the real goings on from within Anfield to a wider audience.
It's about time the truth was exposed.
Hicks and Gillett have to be forced out of Anfield before they wreak more havoc.

Keep a look out for www.sonsofshankly.com which will be going live in the next few days. We'll be handing out flyers at the match with details of any future events.
 
We'll announce any future meetings on our website, everyone invited, all opinions welcomed.
 
Please send this announcement on to everyone you know. And keep an eye on our website for further updates and how to get involved.
 
 
The next meeting is scheduled for The Olympia at 12pm on Saturday 16th February – before the Barnsley game.
 
The Olympia
99 West Derby Road
Liverpool
L6 2AF
 
Everybody welcome - See you all there.
 
 
 
"Liverpool Football Club, Is In The Wrong Hands"
 
"The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards.
It's the way I see football, the way I see life"
 
LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION
"Sons of Shankly"

Join your Union Now online at www.spiritofshankly.com

Like SOS on Facebook and follow us on Twitter @spiritofshankly

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #1 on: February 6, 2008, 02:21:22 pm »
Quote
Existing consent is for 60,000, with any increase depending upon improvements to transport and car parking. With no underground car park, the new plans have less car parking than the original 60,000 design!


 ::)

This pair are a plague of locusts upon our soul

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Viva Sons of Shankly!

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #2 on: February 6, 2008, 02:24:46 pm »

 :wellin


SOLIDARITY!



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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #3 on: February 6, 2008, 02:26:21 pm »
"Sons of Shankly"


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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #4 on: February 6, 2008, 02:31:02 pm »
that website link doesn't work!!
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #5 on: February 6, 2008, 02:31:24 pm »
very good, looking forward to more of this in the future

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #6 on: February 6, 2008, 02:32:03 pm »
that website link doesn't work!!

Not ready yet..

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #7 on: February 6, 2008, 02:34:23 pm »
One of the most important times in our history. 

Liverpool Football Club is in the wrong hands.
Just GO you Yank twats.

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #8 on: February 6, 2008, 02:34:43 pm »
Keep up the good work and spread the word.  :thumbup
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #9 on: February 6, 2008, 02:38:40 pm »
Inspiring stuff lads! Keep up the fantastic work.
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #10 on: February 6, 2008, 02:39:26 pm »
look forward to seeing the site
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #11 on: February 6, 2008, 02:41:16 pm »
Is something happening on the 18th?

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #12 on: February 6, 2008, 02:45:34 pm »
 :wellin :scarf :champ

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #13 on: February 6, 2008, 02:48:57 pm »
Great Work...
Rafa Benitez, 19112007: "But even if I was approached I would tell whichever club it was that I am really happy with my club, my squad, my supporters and my city."

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #14 on: February 6, 2008, 02:49:30 pm »


Good work lads.



Now give Carra's cake back! ;)
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #15 on: February 6, 2008, 02:51:36 pm »
The message could have been slightly more professional (did Snoogy Doogy really need a mention?), but I'm fully behind this!

Well done to all involved!

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #16 on: February 6, 2008, 02:52:05 pm »
Is right boys, good to see things moving forward.
I hate this forum.

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #17 on: February 6, 2008, 02:53:08 pm »
Good stuff guys. Question though, what happens if DIC take over instead? Are you going to as for a voice on their board?
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #18 on: February 6, 2008, 02:58:34 pm »
is right

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #19 on: February 6, 2008, 02:59:06 pm »
Is something happening on the 18th?
:lmao

Great news guys, spread the word....


Copy n paste to all reds i know...
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #20 on: February 6, 2008, 03:07:09 pm »
:lmao

Great news guys, spread the word....


Copy n paste to all reds i know...

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #21 on: February 6, 2008, 03:16:33 pm »
Fuck fuck fuck fuck.
I just wrote a really long fucking post and it's fucking gone into the ether.

Bollocks.

Right - in summary, are SOS after answers or what?
If they are, they'd do well to summarise the questions they want answering and putting it clearly in that spiel above - which right now looks part manifesto, part questionaire, part evidence for the accused m'lord.
I'm not just playing devil's advocate here - we need a voice as supporters, and always have.  If this is going to be it, then great, I'm in.  But right now you're setting yourself up with the express purpose of getting G&H out, and that on the back of the gripes above.  Depending on their answers, you might be negating your current raison d'etre (sp?).

All I want to know is:
1. Will you ever transfer your purchase debt to the club?
2. Do you intend to take profits from LFC to specifically pay interest or capital on that £245m debt?
3. What's your high-level business plan for the next 10 years for LFC?
4. How much will you be giving the manager to spend (Net) each year?
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #22 on: February 6, 2008, 03:23:02 pm »
The time for questions and answers is past. Why should we give them another chance to lie to us?

Its clear…..

“more details of how the organisation will grow will appear over the next few weeks and months. But the catalyst for our formation.....
 
We want Tom Hicks and George Gillett out of our club”

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« Reply #23 on: February 6, 2008, 03:24:14 pm »
3. What's your high-level business plan for the next 10 years for LFC?
4. How much will you be giving the manager to spend (Net) each year?


I doubt anyone can answer those questions. Everything looks to hinge on getting increased revenue from a new stadium. There is no funding in place for the stadium yet. Even Hicks himself said he'd try "later down the line"

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #24 on: February 6, 2008, 03:42:50 pm »
Is there a bar at the Olympia??
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #25 on: February 6, 2008, 04:31:28 pm »
"I never wanted this for you. I work my whole life--I don't apologize--to take care of my family, and I refused to be a fool, dancing on the string held by all those bigshots. I don't apologize--that's my life--but I thought that, that when it was your time, that you would be the one to hold the string."

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #26 on: February 6, 2008, 04:40:02 pm »
power to the people.

Keep up the good work.

Like the man said, spread the word. Make sure everyone understands what's going on, if you work with reds, blues, mancs or anyone else, educate them. It's easy to do and makes a difference, there will be a lot of people who won't understand what's going on so tell them.
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #27 on: February 6, 2008, 04:52:49 pm »
Well done to those people who have begun Sons of Shankly, it has struck a chord with reds all over the world.  Also, there are a great many people outside of this club who are impressed with the what the fans are doing.
This shall be the end of the ego-boosting comments though, ego cannot form a part of your interest in Sons of Shankly.  Please, if you want to be a part of SoS, then you must be willing to think about the accumulative benefit for Liverpool Football Club.

I was an ex-Eseason subscriber and last month I ceased paying money to Liverpool Football Club and cited Hicks and Gillett as a reason for not continuing my membership.  If you are still a member of eseason, then do not just quit it, but also tell them your reasoning behind it.

As I have said in previous threads as well, i think SoS should be looking at stripping all merchandising from all supporters who will join.  That means standing in the Kop with no replica shirt on and no scarf.  We are vast in number and this is our greatest weapon.  A visual weapon.  Thousands of people in unison, behind an ideology, behind a movement. 

Suck it up, this is an important time in our history and we need people who are not afraid.  Stand up for what you believe in, but don't believe me or others.  Get all the sides to the story and then decide what you think is right.
I want players from all over the world to look at Liverpool and almost sprint towards us to be a part of a unique club.  Passion is almost banned from English games these days, so let's buck the trend and turn Liverpool's supporters back into the vicious crucible of sound and respect that it once was.

Thankyou SoS   :'(

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #28 on: February 6, 2008, 04:52:56 pm »
The message could have been slightly more professional (did Snoogy Doogy really need a mention?), but I'm fully behind this!

Kudos to all involved, but keep petty insults like the above out of your material.  You can be confrontative AND contemplative.

Why can't we fund a stadium instead of trying to buy a businessman out who can just raise his price because he knows we'll pay anything to get him out?  He's not gonna do us any favours.

At 5,000 per share or 100 quid per brick we could probably raise enough money to fund a fixed cost stadium and rent it to the Club allowing them to keep the gate while the Union keeps the concessions which could pay debt or contribute dosh to the Club for players.   I'm sure the Council would rather have LFC supporters own the grouund than foreign businessmen.
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #29 on: February 6, 2008, 04:53:20 pm »
well done lads   spread the word

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #30 on: February 6, 2008, 04:55:27 pm »
see you all at the olympia  :hally

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #31 on: February 6, 2008, 05:05:22 pm »
Wether dumb and dumber stay or go,wether DIC cum in,wether we buy OUR club ,this is just the start.
As one fella said in the Sandon meeting, this club has shit on the fans for years,lets do this for US !
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #32 on: February 6, 2008, 05:05:59 pm »
I like the little remark about Mcmanaman being a blue. He makes no secret of it and even said in his autobiography that if he has kids he will take them to Goodison as that's where his heart still lies.

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #33 on: February 6, 2008, 05:10:15 pm »
What if SoS set themselves up to make some money?
Sell shirts for £50 a throw (same as a replica...), scarves etc.
If it was marketed right, we could generate a transfer kitty to buy a player for Rafa eventually.
it's not a million miles off from the idea behind MSI, they buy players and ship them here there and everywhere.

Idea worked in the Championship with Coca Cola offering £250k for a club.

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« Reply #34 on: February 6, 2008, 05:17:34 pm »
excellent!

let's be crafty and hit them where it hurts - their global reputations and their wallets.

let's use all our skills to raise funds and spread the word.

i'll help! laptop died but i'm planning on some merch designs for you boys...

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=209581.0

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #35 on: February 6, 2008, 05:21:55 pm »
What if SoS set themselves up to make some money?
Sell shirts for £50 a throw (same as a replica...), scarves etc.
If it was marketed right, we could generate a transfer kitty to buy a player for Rafa eventually.
it's not a million miles off from the idea behind MSI, they buy players and ship them here there and everywhere.

Idea worked in the Championship with Coca Cola offering £250k for a club.

would rather we invested it to build long-term towards achieving shareliverpoolfc's goals, even if it takes 30 yrs.

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #36 on: February 6, 2008, 05:22:12 pm »
The SOS introduction is a great summary of G&H and what has happened, I wish before any pundit/journalist was about to write any bollocks about us they were made to read that first.

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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #37 on: February 6, 2008, 05:58:53 pm »
Is there a bar at the Olympia??

;D Important questions first.
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« Reply #38 on: February 6, 2008, 06:02:49 pm »
Life, why dont you turn up?
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Re: Liverpool Supporters Union - A Call to Arms
« Reply #39 on: February 6, 2008, 06:04:22 pm »
Would you rather win the lottery or Joe Royles head full of Fifty pence pieces ?