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Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« on: January 26, 2008, 04:31:09 PM »
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Be careful of what you wish for
By: Steve McMahon


Friday January 25, 2008


DIC in, Yanks out? Thanks but no thanks, I say. Be careful of what you wish for.

Talk on the ground and among the media this past week has all been about throwing George Gillett and Tom Hicks out of Anfield and inviting the cash-rich Dubai International Capital - the investment arm of the Dubai government – in.


Like what my Singaporean friends would say, it’s like getting a big fat Hong Bao during Lunar New Year if DIC comes rolling in. With money to spend, new players will be brought in and current players will be sold. And maybe even a new coaching staff as well depending on which papers you read. There will definitely be changes as the new owners will want to implement their own set of ideas and policies. But will it be for the better for Liverpool?


I cannot stress on how I value stability and how important that stability is for a club like Liverpool. I say give the owners more time. Give Rafael Benitez more time. There is still potential to bring Liverpool to the next level.


To be fair, the owners probably bought Liverpool at the wrong time. The whole world is under going a "credit crunch" that is making borrowing expensive.


Moving to a new stadium is always a big financial risk. Every club is looking to expand their capacity and Liverpool are not alone in thinking this way. On hindsight, Liverpool should have expanded their stadium in the eighties when our fan base was swelling to feverish heights.


Then again, buying Liverpool was a huge gamble by Hicks and Gillett and it still is now. Taking over Liverpool is not just a simple business plan. They are taking over a legacy, a historical monument and a representation of the people of Liverpool (Well the red half anyway).


So they have to understand the amount of emotion and faith invested by the Liverpool supporters. Just look at the Glazers and the backlash they suffered from their fans at the start of their reign. The off-field problems took their toll on Manchester United’s players. They suffered a dip in form and did not win the title for three seasons. But the Red Devils still bounced back after that minor set-back. And how. Just look at where they are now financially.


There is nothing to suggest that the Americans are in for the short-term. On the contrary, there are signs that the burger and fries loving Americans are in for the long haul. Hicks bought the Dallas Stars ice hockey team in 1995 and the Texas Rangers baseball team in 1998. Gillett bought the NHL side the Montreal Canadiens in 2000.


Also take a look at Randy Learner and Aston Villa. Aren’t they working well now?


For Liverpool’s long-term sake, let’s re-adjust our expectations. If not, impatience and irrational decisions will lead to even more turmoil on and off the pitch.


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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 05:00:30 PM »
Fuck off

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 05:03:31 PM »
No mention about them trying to fire Rafa
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 05:03:36 PM »
Fuck off

Please enlighten us with your specific objections to the above
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 05:06:35 PM »
just look at what has happened at the texas rangers

hicks has fucked them up god willing he doesnt do the same to us
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 05:07:02 PM »
Theres a lot of sense in that article, the one thing I strive for in the club is stability and that was one of the main reason for my anger the other week and earlier when G&H were creating anything but stability.

They have a long way to go before they win any respect off the fans after the way we have been treated to date, but it might be a case of better the devil you know. But the lying has to stop here, they need to back Rafa to the hilt and put their money where their mouth is.

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 05:08:30 PM »
Presumes that the Yanks will allow Rafa the time to build. No evidence at all for this.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 05:17:18 PM »
Oh shut up man....

after this: http://ickscorner.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/we-feel-your-pain-liverpool/

along with Hick's history of ruining "franchises" I don't see how anyone could be optimistic about this situation...

time will have to tell....

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 05:18:52 PM »
Oh shut up man....

after this: http://ickscorner.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/we-feel-your-pain-liverpool/

along with Hick's history of ruining "franchises" I don't see how anyone could be optimistic about this situation...

time will have to tell....
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2008, 05:19:45 PM »
Stupid fucking bitter fat c*nt.

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2008, 05:19:48 PM »
Presumes that the Yanks will allow Rafa the time to build. No evidence at all for this.

In spite of them continually since the December 16th meeting them saying that they back Rafa.

So when Rafa is here next August, then what?

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2008, 05:21:01 PM »
Stupid fucking bitter fat c*nt.
? explain if it was directed at me
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 05:22:09 PM »
In spite of them continually since the December 16th meeting them saying that they back Rafa.

So when Rafa is here next August, then what?



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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 05:24:35 PM »
Two faced bastard was calling Rafa for everything two weeks ago and was up the Yanks arses.

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 05:32:56 PM »
an unbalanced article lacking any facts.

he's saying give the yanks time and comparing us to utd when the glazers took over. but utd had their stadium in place when their yanks tookover. they could count on the massive revenue that it produces to help pay their interest payments.

and there's no mention of the inevitable next loan, when this money runs out to continue the work on the stadium.

he's right we need stability. but we also need owners who have deeper pockets. owners who can afford to pay off our loans and interest while also providing transfer funds

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2008, 05:33:59 PM »
Get a grip Steve.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2008, 05:35:28 PM »
? explain if it was directed at me

Not you mate, unless you wrote the article?

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2008, 05:57:43 PM »
He is right about one thing though and that is if a bit of fore thought had been put into investing in the future in the late 80s early 90s (v. early 90s) we could have had the stadium with the capacity we wanted a long time ago. You live and learn!
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2008, 06:01:19 PM »
Oh shut up man....

after this: http://ickscorner.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/we-feel-your-pain-liverpool/

along with Hick's history of ruining "franchises" I don't see how anyone could be optimistic about this situation...

time will have to tell....

at least we know one thing about DIC if nothing else, they're committed to excellence and being the best

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2008, 06:05:00 PM »
He won't be cowboy, He'll be riding out of this ghost town! yuk yuk yuk.
Oh no he won't..Rafa will be here next season.

Two faced bastard was calling Rafa for everything two weeks ago and was up the Yanks arses.

I know you don't mean me sunshine.

I am the one who was willing to wager 1,000 quid Rafa would be here with anyone in the media when they were reporting Rafa out. None took me up on it btw.

I was the one who was going to stop my financial support of LFC if Rafa was sacked over all that in November and Mourinho or Klinsmann brought in.

You however, can go support the Texas Rangers as you were more interested in their statistics than anyone elses. And I do wonder have you emailed their fans yet to let them know Hicks is spending 60 mil ( $120 mil US) of his own money on Liverpool FC and to ask them what they think of their profits being spent on us? Let me know their reply. And don't forget the Stars fans as well.

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2008, 06:11:09 PM »
Steve McMahon is a bellend anyway
He's a manipulative bastard. Another deliberate attempt to put pressure on people in the game, which he thinks he'll get away with because of his "standing" in the game and his fucking knighthood.

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2008, 06:12:56 PM »
Oh no he won't..Rafa will be here next season.

hmm okay maybe. But under this regime ? its highly unlikely he'll stay, unless this summer they give him all his first choices in the transfer market and also offload who ever he wishes. I think if they did that, there could be a chance. But I seriously doubt that will happen.

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2008, 06:13:38 PM »
Yes, that's it McMahon you genius- lets give the Americans MORE time. Lets allow them to mortgage the club up to its eyeballs in debt whilst WE pay it back.

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2008, 06:29:07 PM »
Yes, that's it McMahon you genius- lets give the Americans MORE time. Lets allow them to mortgage the club up to its eyeballs in debt whilst WE pay it back.

Didn't realize DIC were going to pay cash for everything and not use loans that "WE" have to pay back.

Unless I don't understand what you are saying : any ownership group expects to get something back and the ones who pay them are the fans, so nothing new there.


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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2008, 06:33:07 PM »
hmm okay maybe. But under this regime ? its highly unlikely he'll stay, unless this summer they give him all his first choices in the transfer market and also offload who ever he wishes. I think if they did that, there could be a chance. But I seriously doubt that will happen.

Yes under this regime unless Rafa leaves of his own accord. I don't see G&h getting rid and didn't last November in spite of the "miscommunication" saga.

Do you think G&H told Rafa to buy Babel? Or Benayoun? Or Lucas? Or Leto? Or even Heinze?

Do you think G&H told Rafa to sell Fowler? or Garcia?

Did G&H tell Rafa to buy Skrtel?

Rafa decides who to buy and who to sell. Now and in the future.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2008, 06:36:08 PM »
I'm all for some stabillity, with DIC in charge.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2008, 06:36:09 PM »
Out of intrest how much did we get when we SOLD God ?
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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2008, 06:37:01 PM »
I'm all for some stabillity, with DIC in charge.

As am I,LFC wont getc another penny (ticket aside) whilst those 2 shysters are in charge.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2008, 06:37:16 PM »
No mention about them trying to fire Rafa

Probably because they didn't.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2008, 06:39:04 PM »

at least we know one thing about DIC if nothing else, they're committed to excellence and being the best

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2008, 06:50:58 PM »
Out of intrest how much did we get when we SOLD God ?

Nothing..he was released on a free.

because G&H told him to do it and save his salary for someone else...;)
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2008, 06:52:59 PM »
Please show Steve McMahon some respect, he is fighting with the other pundits in Singapore for the sake of Liverpool. He was also a great player for us,rite? If Rafa goes what are the chance that McMahon take over? If it decided by only Asian fans i guess he will win for sure as he is so popular at this part of the world.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2008, 06:56:35 PM »
Didn't realize DIC were going to pay cash for everything and not use loans that "WE" have to pay back.

Unless I don't understand what you are saying : any ownership group expects to get something back and the ones who pay them are the fans, so nothing new there.




Of course they are using loans, everyone acknowledges that, but they don't rely financially on the cut throat market of Investment Banking (unlike Hicks). They borrow from their own funds (at a lower rate of interest), not from a bank.

With Hicks/Gillett we'll be mortgaged up to the eyeballs to the banks (at a higher rate of interest) who are already as jittery as hell over the current state of global finances.

It's just Fiscal Basics here 4pool....

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2008, 06:59:43 PM »

Steve’s done really well for himself to wing a gig in Singapore as a pundit for Asian TV about English football. A true scouser bringing authenticity to coverage of the EPL. A decorated insider of Anfield bringing the news on one of Asia’s most popular teams. I can imagine a few ex-players being faintly envious of Stevie’s post professional career. Hanging out in Singapore and being a celebrity across Asia definitely sounds better than a lifetime’s retirement playing golf at Hillside and drinking in the pubs of Southport every afternoon until the end of your days.

The problem comes when you lose touch with the scouse street, when you have to write anodyne opinion pieces on issues that you don’t even have the knowledge about to have an opinion, when you just make shite up, like comparing Liverpool’s situation now to Uniteds when the Glazers took over, as well as numerous other basic half-wit things he comes out with; and when you’re probably so in hock to corporate interests clinking glasses with businessmen at ESPN parties in your new life that you lose touch with reality and really do begin to instinctively side with, and call for ‘trust’ to be placed on a brace of snake-oil salesman in big business breeches.

Sort yourself out Stevie.



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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2008, 07:00:07 PM »
Stability is right, but you don't get stability by undermining your manager mid-season then flipflopping on your plans for the stadium. Or by entertaining bids from the middle east if you're truly in it for the long haul.

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2008, 07:01:23 PM »
Please show Steve McMahon some respect, he is fighting with the other pundits in Singapore for the sake of Liverpool. He was also a great player for us,rite? If Rafa goes what are the chance that McMahon take over? If it decided by only Asian fans i guess he will win for sure as he is so popular at this part of the world.

you have to laugh at that, to answer your question: hells cat chance in have doesn't a

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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2008, 07:06:01 PM »
He is a cock. Probably got paid by Hicks to say it. Got no respect for the fella.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2008, 07:07:04 PM »
That'll be ESPN, the American company, yes?
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2008, 07:12:34 PM »
Of course they are using loans, everyone acknowledges that, but they don't rely financially on the cut throat market of Investment Banking (unlike Hicks). They borrow from their own funds (at a lower rate of interest), not from a bank.

With Hicks/Gillett we'll be mortgaged up to the eyeballs to the banks (at a higher rate of interest) who are already as jittery as hell over the current state of global finances.

It's just Fiscal Basics here 4pool....

Oh, I understand all that. But it is a lot of assumptions.

The first question to answer is why were DIC shopping around in London for investors when they first approached the club? If they have ALL that money, their own banks, etc....why look for further investors if they themselves wanted LFC?

Which brings us to the current situation..if DIC are that interested, why not make an offer worthwhile to get the club away from G&H? Surely they know the financial package G&H are now involved in. Surely they have ALL their resources to pry the club from G&H. They are way more wealthy than G&H combined. But still they dither.

I think they aren't dithering at all. I don't think they will make an offer or have made an offer. I think the media are wishing/hoping/speculating on DIC and DIC really has little interest in wanting to buy LFC at what G&H value the club. And G&H value the club at a high rate because they know, as do DIC, what the potential is for the club especially when the new stadium is built. G&H also, like DIC, understand you need to win to keep things rolling along.

But only time will tell.

In the mean time we all need to support Rafa and the team. Let the rest sort itself out. If DIC want in then they know what they need to do.
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Re: Be careful of what you wish for(By: Steve McMahon)
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2008, 04:07:26 AM »
Please show Steve McMahon some respect, he is fighting with the other pundits in Singapore for the sake of Liverpool. He was also a great player for us,rite? If Rafa goes what are the chance that McMahon take over? If it decided by only Asian fans i guess he will win for sure as he is so popular at this part of the world.

Popular my a**. He conducts the stupid Football Focus.I've stopped watching that anti-Liverpool and pro-Manchestar,Arsenal show long back.The only episode I watched was when Rushie was there and he took the place of that idiot Shabby Singh the great Malaysian Football Expert who says:"Wish Tottenham got Torres and Liverpool would be no-where". Its for jokers and for people who don't understand football.