Topic: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?

[cptrios]

Don't kill this thread with transfer waffle.

I'd rather that than transfer pancakes.

*rimshot*

Really though, we've got enough exciting youth players at the club already. Don't need to be worrying about anyone we might be "interested" in.

[gazzathered]

On zaha I thought he was quality in the semi against Cardiff away.
I'm hoping our own prospects in sterling and silva can make the step up.
Both very good players, just age holding them back.

[tucker1984]

Anyone heard how silva is getting on Out on loan?? it will be interesting to see him play when he returns, in comparison with the likes of raheem, Suso, Ngoo etc to see the difference in a players attitude after being on loan playing proper competitive footbal for a bit

i think his first game he came on as sub and totally changed the game, he had an assist for the goal that won it(i think)  beating 3 men on the way, started the next game i think and there supporters weren't very impressed by his workrate and he was supposedy poor and on saturday he was on the bench and didnt get on,

there may have been more games im not too sure,

[ChaChaMooMoo]

I still feel that there is a big difference between the youth and reserves. And the difference between the reserves and the first team is even more.

[This-IZ-Anfield]

People just don't realize the gap between first team football and academy.
As everyone, I'm excited about the like of Sterling or Suso, but give them time. It's crazy, there are already high exceptatons. It won't help them to break through.

[soberphobia]

Don't kill this thread with transfer waffle.

+1

[ChaChaMooMoo]

People just don't realize the gap between first team football and academy.
As everyone, I'm excited about the like of Sterling or Suso, but give them time. It's crazy, there are already high exceptatons. It won't help them to break through.

I do realise the gap. And the amount of effort it takes to step up from an academy to first team. I was in the youth setup of my citys local team myself.

I meant, in England, the difference is pretty evident. Look at Spain for example. Barca B plays in the second division. Look at Bayern Munich. Look at the amount of youth players that they have in the first team. Look at the Ajax youth model. And the scouting methodology.

I am merely saying that the step (between reserves and first team) in England is so big that a new division could be accommodated.

[Cpt_Reina]

Don't kill this thread with transfer waffle.

This thread once spent a few days discussions Ravel Morrison. I think we're ok.

If you look closely you'll see talk of how young players develop physically and how that can affect their development. How said player would fit in to our squad and how he compares with young lads we already have.

[babraham]

Fuck! I might miss some of the mini derby tomorrow! Hopefully traffic isn't too bad!

[liverpool8348]

regards to toni silva...... had a little look as was interested in seeing what hes been upto.... i havent seen him kick a ball but his manager has said some interesting quotes, nothing direct about silva but things like he was disappointed with player workrate, would maybe have to make a few changes next match, ok to have talent but you need to mix it up in league 2 etc etc....next match silva spends whole game on subs bench so its obvious some of it was directed to silva.  He obviously needs more game time to settle down their but the moment he was sent to a league 2 team it screamed of lets toughen him, show him what the real world is like etc etc.   he is gonnna get alot out of this loan move it seems, he isnt going to get played on talent alone.

[kopitecrash]

Fuck! I might miss some of the mini derby tomorrow! Hopefully traffic isn't too bad!

What time's it on?

[babraham]

What time's it on?

Kickoff 2pm.

[kopitecrash]

Kickoff 2pm.

Just when I start work. Oh well.

[lamonti]

People just don't realize the gap between first team football and academy.
As everyone, I'm excited about the like of Sterling or Suso, but give them time. It's crazy, there are already high exceptatons. It won't help them to break through.

Yeh but the outstanding concern is that lads aren't even given a chance to fail. You can't prove anything at reserve level, as the level is so much lower than at full first team level.

However, at the same time, its the same sport. It's still football. Need to make a leap of faith sometimes.

[killer_heels]

Yeh but the outstanding concern is that lads aren't even given a chance to fail. You can't prove anything at reserve level, as the level is so much lower than at full first team level.

However, at the same time, its the same sport. It's still football. Need to make a leap of faith sometimes.

I don't think we have utilised loans effectively. Players can develop even in the Championship and its the reason to why Oxlade-Chamberlain is ready now.

[lamonti]

I don't think we have utilised loans effectively. Players can develop even in the Championship and its the reason to why Oxlade-Chamberlain is ready now.

Never even played Championship, Southampton were League 1 last year.

[One of these]

This thread once spent a few days discussions Ravel Morrison. I think we're ok.

If you look closely you'll see talk of how young players develop physically and how that can affect their development. How said player would fit in to our squad and how he compares with young lads we already have.

Fair enough, I was concerned that with all the newbies about this thread might get locked if it just became an U19 transfer thread.

[DanA]

Surely we can wait til the lads are 18 y/o before we say we've not used the loan system well. Oxlade is the exception, I'd rather we give our young lads a stable environment were they can get a proper football education before we loan them out. They're still kids. Next year and beyond is when we should be looking to loan this group.

[blacksun]

Surely we can wait til the lads are 18 y/o before we say we've not used the loan system well. Oxlade is the exception, I'd rather we give our young lads a stable environment were they can get a proper football education before we loan them out. They're still kids. Next year and beyond is when we should be looking to loan this group.

Whilst I agree with where you are coming from I still think certain players could have benefited from a loan already, Flanagan is the main one right now, hes barely played this season and so a 6 month loan in the championship would have done him the world of good. Wisdom is another that I think is ready for that step up too.

Problem is whilst you don't want to send them off too early if you look at Kelly's progress he went off on loan to Huddersfield at their age and it gave him a good basis to come back more ready to be involved with the first team.

[Red Genius]

Whilst I agree with where you are coming from I still think certain players could have benefited from a loan already, Flanagan is the main one right now, hes barely played this season and so a 6 month loan in the championship would have done him the world of good. Wisdom is another that I think is ready for that step up too.

Problem is whilst you don't want to send them off too early if you look at Kelly's progress he went off on loan to Huddersfield at their age and it gave him a good basis to come back more ready to be involved with the first team.

I think that's a fair point, some of lads are ready for first team football, exposure to week after week of competitive football. We should embrace that progress. It could be to our benefit ultimately.

[superjack]

Am I the only one that thinks that Ngoo should be given a chance on the right wing? He's 19 (old enough imo), pacey, big enough, can shrug off a tackle, can cross, can certainly dribble, has good instincts, and can poke a goal in. I think he does have the potential to be a very good player and one that would get a lot of the best out of the other forwards.

Ngoo wouldn't get a game for mk dons on the right wing. I hear people saying we should give the kids ago but besides sterling who else could you give a go to. Flanno is decent but he's not currently better than Johnson or Kelly the same is true for robinson. Wisdom has gone backwards this year and makes a lot of mistakes I think a league 1 loan would be good for him. Coady is too lightweight and not good enough yet. I can't think of anyone else knocking on the door.

[kiNki]

next gen news

SAINTS' Langtree Park home will host Liverpool U19s NextGen semi-final against Ajax on March 14. Kick-off will be 7pm.

The game was originally set to be played at Anfield.

Tickets are available from the St Helens ticket office on 01744 455052. You will also be able to pay at the turnstile.

Tickets are £5 for adults and £2 for concessions.

SAINTS' Langtree Park home will host Liverpool U19s NextGen semi-final against Ajax on March 14. Kick-off will be 7pm.

The game was originally set to be played at Anfield.

Tickets are available from the St Helens ticket office on 01744 455052. You will also be able to pay at the turnstile.

Tickets are £5 for adults and £2 for concessions.

http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/saints/news/9566673.Langtree_Park_to_host_Liverpool_FC_s_under_19s_clash_with_Ajax/

[hassinator]

why is it not happening at anfield?

[SteLFC91]

why is it not happening at anfield?

We play Everton the day before. Pitch probably wouldn't be able to hold 2 games in 2 days.

[hassinator]

We play Everton the day before. Pitch probably wouldn't be able to hold 2 games in 2 days.

fair.  shame though. 

[ReddyMac]

I've seen allot of people comparing Zaha to Victor Moses in terms of caliber.

I haven't seen much of Zaha...Cpt_Reina,Loco your thoughts?

[Vork+The Knights of Good]

Right, here we go:
http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2010-11.pdf
(I'm assuming it hasn't changed this season)

Page 71 - Rules, Section A

Thanks for looking that up. Doesn't make much sense to me why they would bother stipulating the clause as prior to his 21st birthday if they also include the season during which he turns 21. It's almost like they were intentionally trying to cause confusion. Whatever the reason, it's good to know as it could bring a few more lads under the umbrella of "home grown" than I previously understood. Ta.

[lfcmaster]

Some great posts in those last couple of pages. Pretty much agree with them all.

Zaha is an interesting one isn't he? I can't say I've seen him a lot; maybe 6 or 7 times? Which Isn't really enough time for me to be comfortable in terms of making a definitive judgement on a player. What I will say is that I can definitely see the Ronaldo comparison. Another player who he kinda reminds me of is Neymar. Zaha is probably a little taller and longer in the legs than Neymar, but the manner of his play is very similar I think.

Like Neymar, Zaha is someone who could end up playing through the middle, but for the moment is playing from wide left. It's not unusual of course. A lot of young players have cut their teeth in their early years playing from wide, before moving further infield.

Both Neymar and Zaha are probably a little bit too 'trick heavy' at the moment. Both can spend a lot of time not really getting involved too much in the game. But when you can get the ball to them on a consistent basis, they can do damage with their pace and dribbling ability (clearly both are playing at a different level, but there are definite similarities there IMO).

Zaha is very good at slowing the play down, then speeding it up when you least expect him too. I think in time, he'll develop more of an understanding of the game in terms of what runs to make and when to make them. If he does, then he'll be a huge weapon on the counter attack with his pace and movement. At the moment, he doesn't seem to have that in his locker. It was the same with Ronaldo at United. For years he was playing on the periphery of games, overdoing the stepovers, and contributing in fits and starts. Then, as Juan and Cpt_Reina pointed out, he bulked up and realised he could hurt teams on the counter attack. Now you can see he knows when to run in behind as well as fronting teams up with skill and natural playing talent.

It'll be interesting. Apparently Palace are looking for around 5 million. Deal.

EDIT: Got that mixed up. Bolton offered 5 million, and Palace want around 10 million.

Still, If you think he's promising, why not? Redmond is another that looks good, although he's only 17!

comparing neymar and zaha

wow think of the price difference

you are talking 50M + for neymar

[DanA]

Ngoo wouldn't get a game for mk dons on the right wing. I hear people saying we should give the kids ago but besides sterling who else could you give a go to. Flanno is decent but he's not currently better than Johnson or Kelly the same is true for robinson. Wisdom has gone backwards this year and makes a lot of mistakes I think a league 1 loan would be good for him. Coady is too lightweight and not good enough yet. I can't think of anyone else knocking on the door.

I haven't noticed Wisdom going backwards or too many of these mistakes and Coady is a big lad for a "lightweight".

But I agree it's only really Sterling, Robinson, Flannagan along with first team young players in Coates & Shelvey that are ready to be given a shot.

[Coolie High]

And Suso

[۩ Maximus ۩]

comparing neymar and zaha

wow think of the price difference

you are talking 50M + for neymar

In style, not substance.

[۩ Maximus ۩]

And Suso

Suso isn't ready yet, I don't think anyway. I think he's a year or two off.

[Cpt_Reina]

In style, not substance.

Pretty much. Think the Palace connection has led to the comparison more then anything.

Hope we get to see Joao Carlos get some minutes tomorrow. The big tease is keeping us waiting.

[lfcmaster]

And Suso

and ngoo

[El_Pistolero]

and ngoo

He isn't ready.

[iamrobk]

comparing neymar and zaha

wow think of the price difference

you are talking 50M + for neymar

No way Neymar will move for 50m.  Probably 35m-40m, but not 50m+.  And it's supposedly 10m for Zaha?  Not that it's even fair to compare the 2, but I'd rather spend 10m on Zaha than 40m on Neymar.

[Coolie High]

Suso isn't ready yet, I don't think anyway. I think he's a year or two off.

He has performed better than every player mentioned in the post i was replying to, why isn't he ready and the likes of Sterling, Coady, Wisdom are?

[Vork+The Knights of Good]

Not that it's even fair to compare the 2, but I'd rather spend 10m on Zaha than 40m on Neymar.

I wouldn't.

[Vork+The Knights of Good]

He has performed better than every player mentioned in the post i was replying to, why isn't he ready and the likes of Sterling, Coady, Wisdom are?

I disagree. I don't think he has performed better than Sterling or Wisdom over the past year plus. Maybe in the last couple months he has performed on par with those two, but Sterling and Wisdom have consistently been head and shoulders above the other lads for a sustained period of time. I'll agree about Coady, though.

[El_Pistolero]

He has performed better than every player mentioned in the post i was replying to, why isn't he ready and the likes of Sterling, Coady, Wisdom are?

To be fair, with Sterling and Wisdom, I watch them and I think "Shit, these are good, they could do this in the prem", with Suso... not so much. He's very good, and probably wouldn't be out of his depth for a 10-min cameo here or there but I do feel as though Sterling and Wisdom are more ready for league footy than Suso.

I'm undecided on Coady, don't think he's progressed since he's moved up to be honest.