Topic: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?

[JoeTwerp]

No, he doesn't because of his loan to Greece I guess.

I don't think that has been 100% cleared up yet. The rules are vague, or at least what has been shown in the papers isn't specific enough.  Maybe in the official bylaws this issue will be addressed.

[bigbear]

I think 2 years of injury has cost Nemeth his chance here. You'd hope that a 21 yr old future striker for Liverpool would make a big impact at Olympiakos and whilst he's done ok and indeed well at times, he has still spent time on the bench aside from his injuries.

I doubt he'll make it here which is a huge shame because he looked a real player 2 years ago.

[RyanBabel19]

Do you know how long is on his contract mate? 

Dont know how long he has but if he is loaned out again then for me as you say he is as good as gone as I feel Rafa doesnt think he can make it here.

We all know that he have suffered this season due to lack of back up to Torres and we could of done with this lad but Rafa never recalled him which spells out to me that he could go down the route of Anderson and Hammill.

He signed a two-year extension (in August last year at the same time as Gulacsi signed his 3 year deal) which takes him upto 2012. Its hard to tell if he will stay here or not, from what i've read Rafa rates him highly but that means little as it could just be pure speculation. As i've said a number of times i really hope he stays, he's an exceptional talent and i think a large amount of our fans dont even realise just how good this kid can be for various reasons (injuries and him being away from the fans view being the main two)

Would Nemeth do well upfront together with Ngog? If so, I could see them being our alternative strike force if we ever want to play 442.

Nemeth fits/will fit the homegrown rule i think, which would be another reason to keep him.

Been saying for a long time i think he would make a great strike partner for Ngog with him as the second striker and Ngog more in the out and out strikers role. He's great at creating chances for another striker which he's shown in his games on loan setting up great chances for Blanco countless times (with mixed results from Blancos seemingly random finishing).

[MagicB8all]

I think 2 years of injury has cost Nemeth his chance here. You'd hope that a 21 yr old future striker for Liverpool would make a big impact at Olympiakos and whilst he's done ok and indeed well at times, he has still spent time on the bench aside from his injuries.

I doubt he'll make it here which is a huge shame because he looked a real player 2 years ago.

Could be true, but I hope Rafa gives him a chance here, both for Nemeth's sake and because we're cash strapped

[LFCfan4Life]

No, he doesn't because of his loan to Greece I guess.

he counts as homegrown becuase we still hold his registration even though he is out on loan

btw from highlights he always looked good but that idiot blancio managed to throw away alot the chances set up for him by Nemeth

to be honest i would hope he goes to a stronger league and maybe even another premier league team if he could - if that di santo lad can get games at blackburn then we should have no problems getting Ngog and nemeth PL loan deals

[cyador]

Why would we want to loan Ngog out? He's the only player in the squad that can play torres role. And its not as if we'll have any money to buy anyone else in the summer.

I hope we can find a role for nemeth in our squad at some point in the future. You have to say though, that if he got another bad injury next season, thats probably it for him as far as a liverpool career goes.

Pre season will be interesting anyway, as any lads that rafa thinks might be involved during the season seem to travel for the training camps.

Theres a lot of talent in the reserves and youth team, i'm just praying a good few are good enough and not another welsh, partridge, anderson or hammil.

[Ingumsky]

I don't think that has been 100% cleared up yet. The rules are vague, or at least what has been shown in the papers isn't specific enough.  Maybe in the official bylaws this issue will be addressed.

he counts as homegrown becuase we still hold his registration even though he is out on loan

Hmmm. Ok then. I thought any loan deal would break it.

[JoeTwerp]

Hmmm. Ok then. I thought any loan deal would break it.

well domestic loans certainly wouldn't have an effect.

The Premier League rule is slightly different from the UEFA rule in that it does not differentiate between LFC trained and 'trained in England or Wales.

UEFA: at least 8 spots for 'English' players and at least 4 of those are reserved for club trained only

Premier League: at least 8 spots for English players

[LFCfan4Life]

Why would we want to loan Ngog out? He's the only player in the squad that can play torres role. And its not as if we'll have any money to buy anyone else in the summer.

i hope to god we are not relying on Ngog or kuyt to lead the line for us next season

we simply HAVE TO sign another striker no ifs no buts

[DaveCharlie]

i hope to god we are not relying on Ngog or kuyt to lead the line for us next season

we simply HAVE TO sign another striker no ifs no buts

There is one big IF (and 2 big butts) holding Rafa back from having done that much much sooner...

[b_joseph]

i hope to god we are not relying on Ngog or kuyt to lead the line for us next season

we simply HAVE TO sign another striker no ifs no buts

If Ngog makes the same progression next season as he did this season, we wont need to get another striker in because he will do the job. His all around game this season has been quality considering his experience level.

[bigbear]

If Ngog makes the same progression next season as he did this season, we wont need to get another striker in because he will do the job. His all around game this season has been quality considering his experience level.

Don't agree. We need something else up front or a different shape.  Ngog cannot play up front instead of Torres.

[b_joseph]

Don't agree. We need something else up front or a different shape.  Ngog cannot play up front instead of Torres.

Nobody can play up front instead of Torres. Now, I agree that we could use a different type of striker within the squad but I dont feel it needs to be someone of huge financial expense.
And I dont think it needs to be someone who would stop Ngog from getting enough minutes to continue his rapid development.

[bigbear]

Nobody can play up front instead of Torres. Now, I agree that we could use a different type of striker within the squad but I dont feel it needs to be someone of huge financial expense.
And I dont think it needs to be someone who would stop Ngog from getting enough minutes to continue his rapid development.

If Fernando is not there we should be playing 4-4-2. Ngog has come on a great deal this year but he still has to do the same again this year and the next to be a first team Liverpool striker.

[RJH]

Don't agree. We need something else up front or a different shape.  Ngog cannot play up front instead of Torres.

I agree. I don't think Ngog is suited to playing the lone striker role. And at the moment, there's not really anyone in the first team squad suited to playing alongside him either.

[DaveCharlie]

I have a feeling (a feeling only) that we might have to shift on Ngog in this off-season. I don't think Rafa would like to do it, but if we can get 6 or 7 mill for him after the reasonably succesful season he's had for such a young lad, it might just work out best for him in the long term (more first team action somewhere else), and us in the short term (we don't have any money and need someone with more experience). It terrifies me that we could be going the way of becoming a selling club, but if its with a reasonable buy-back clause it might yet be a good bit of business...

[royhendo]

We were talking about Borrell last night in the boozer - here's a question - is he only contracted to the club for the year? Or is he being retained longer term?

[josemisuncle]

We were talking about Borrell last night in the boozer - here's a question - is he only contracted to the club for the year? Or is he being retained longer term?

Segura is the guy on a years contract.

[royhendo]

Good man, thanks for that. Wonder what's happening there - hope we've picked his brain to the max.

[hassinator]

We were talking about Borrell last night in the boozer - here's a question - is he only contracted to the club for the year? Or is he being retained longer term?

my head hurts

[JoeTwerp]

Good man, thanks for that. Wonder what's happening there - hope we've picked his brain to the max.

you might have to check the archives of this thread for stuff in the summer, but I think the plan was that he was just going to come  in and set up the system coach the coaches and then let it run. Sort of like an expert watchmaker or something.

[redbyrdz]

I have a feeling (a feeling only) that we might have to shift on Ngog in this off-season. I don't think Rafa would like to do it, but if we can get 6 or 7 mill for him after the reasonably succesful season he's had for such a young lad, it might just work out best for him in the long term (more first team action somewhere else), and us in the short term (we don't have any money and need someone with more experience). It terrifies me that we could be going the way of becoming a selling club, but if its with a reasonable buy-back clause it might yet be a good bit of business...

I think we'll keep him for at least another year,  because he's only 21 and won't coun't into the foreign players' spots. After that, we'll have to see how good he is compared to our home-grown strikers.

[JoeTwerp]

I think we'll keep him for at least another year,  because he's only 21 and won't coun't into the foreign players' spots. After that, we'll have to see how good he is compared to our home-grown strikers.

now that we can only have 25 players, and its likely we wont even have 25 senior players, it doesn't make sense to sell any U21 player that could contribute to the team in any significant way.

[Dr Cornwallis]

Does LFC invest in public playing spaces. or does it just run the youth academy?

If I were head of a footy club, and the youth rulings being as they are, I'd be diving in with some cash to help the local authority build and maintain lots of safe, quality playing surfaces around the city.  Bit of an outlay to begin with, but the long-term aim is to save us money and find some more Gerrard's.

[hassinator]

Does LFC invest in public playing spaces. or does it just run the youth academy?

If I were head of a footy club, and the youth rulings being as they are, I'd be diving in with some cash to help the local authority build and maintain lots of safe, quality playing surfaces around the city.  Bit of an outlay to begin with, but the long-term aim is to save us money and find some more Gerrard's.

but we don't have enough money for new players let alone some vague local investment. 

[josemisuncle]

you might have to check the archives of this thread for stuff in the summer, but I think the plan was that he was just going to come  in and set up the system coach the coaches and then let it run. Sort of like an expert watchmaker or something.

Maldini will know for sure, but there was something on lfc.tv saying he'd finished putting together the blueprint through the U12s or something like that.

[DannyLFCYNWA]

This is the second of three reserve games to be played at the Turf and Terry Pashley has a team of mainly young professionals with some apprentices at his disposal.

The Burnley team is: Danny McDonald, Ben Hoskin, Kevin Long, Neil Yadolahi, Jake McEneaney, Alex MacDonald, Chris Anderson, Adam Kay, Alex-Ray Harvey, Frédéric Nimani, Wes Fletcher. Subs: Diego Penny, Dom Knowles, Michael King, Joe McKee, Curtis Woods.

Liverpool, who beat us with a last minute goal at Tranmere's Prenton Park earlier in the season, line up: Martin Hansen, Steven Irwin, Alex Cooper, Victor Palsson, Chris Mavinga, Francisco Duran, Lauri Dalla Valle, David Amoo, Nikola Saric, Damien Plessis, Gerardo Bruna. Subs: Jakub Sokolik, Deale Chamberlain, Jordy Brouwer, Nicolaj Kohlert, Alex Kacaniklic

[redbyrdz]

We've just loaned out Gulacsi to Tranmere for a week.
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Stopper on the move

Hungarian stopper Peter Gulacsi has joined Tranmere Rovers on an emergency seven-day loan.

The Reserve team goalkeeper, who has been in tremendous form for the second string this season, will make his debut for Les Parry's side against Exeter City at Prenton Park tomorrow.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/stopper-on-the-move

[cyador]

I really rate gulacsi, in a year or so, with a bit more experience under his belt, he'd be a great no. 2, with the added benefit of being 'club trained'.

[DannyLFCYNWA]

any chance of a link for the reserve game tonight?

[Crazynumber9]

A concern for me is the lack of quality CM at our youth and reserve level, when I watched the u18s last season Pepper really seemed to make them tick this season he hasn't gotten a look in for whatever reason. Plessis has gone backwards and I just don't see Spearing being able to make it a Premiership level. Duran is undoubtably talented but can his body hold up over the course of a season, unlikely.  Palsson was brought in as a CM but is now played predominantly at CB, just where have all the CM's gone?

[bigbear]

A concern for me is the lack of quality CM at our youth and reserve level, when I watched the u18s last season Pepper really seemed to make them tick this season he hasn't gotten a look in for whatever reason. Plessis has gone backwards and I just don't see Spearing being able to make it a Premier League level. Duran is undoubtably talented but can his body hold up over the course of a season, unlikely.  Palsson was brought in as a CM but is now played predominantly at CB, just where have all the CM's gone?

It's a very hard position to learn to play compared to say full back/wide midfield. We seem to either produce the bigger, more physical player like Plessis/Pallson/Coady/Wisdom or the small skilful player like Pepper/Spearing who lack physicality.

We need a combination of both and none of them have got that.

[Madagascherano]

any chance of a link for the reserve game tonight?

[JoeTwerp]

very open game

[JoeTwerp]

Duran has put in some great through balls,  Bruna, Kaca, Saric, Amoo  all having some nice moments, we are passing much better, but need to defend set pieces better.

We are also a little too open at the back from open play

[Obviously]

very open game

Whats going on? I saw we were 2-0 down after 9 minutes or so..

[JoeTwerp]

also, Kaca does not fancy shooting with his right at all tonight

[JoeTwerp]

Whats going on? I saw we were 2-0 down after 9 minutes or so..

Saric scored around the 20 min mark.  Amoo got to the byline thanks to a few lucky bounces and a lot of hard work.  Somehow got it towards the goal and Saric just slid in and beat the defender and deflected it on a sharp angle into the goal

[JoeTwerp]

Amoo is sooo much stronger than his fullback

crossing is WAYward

[Niru Red4ever]

Thanx for the updates. Keep them coming.

So I take it we are now down 1-2?