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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11920 on: October 22, 2009, 02:35:22 PM »
Was talking to one of the unused subs from last night. He said that Aquilani farted whilst on the bench and it smelled like roses. Also, when Aquilani entered the fray, my mate took the opportunity to take a swig of his water bottle. Incredibly it had been turned to wine. Honest. 

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11921 on: October 22, 2009, 02:35:35 PM »
sounds like it was a good night, anyone got the goals?
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11922 on: October 22, 2009, 02:37:43 PM »
Was talking to one of the unused subs from last night. He said that Aquilani farted whilst on the bench and it smelled like roses. Also, when Aquilani entered the fray, my mate took the opportunity to take a swig of his water bottle. Incredibly it had been turned to wine. Honest. 


are you being serious?

did this really happen or is it a joke?

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11923 on: October 22, 2009, 02:39:41 PM »

are you being serious?

did this really happen or is it a joke?
Of course it happened. Rafa fined the player £500 for drinking alcohol during the match as well.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11924 on: October 22, 2009, 03:01:00 PM »
Anyone know what's going on with LDV lately? I haven't been keeping up with the reserve scene so much this season.

He's been "injured" and missing the u18s games.

The cynic in me says it's the type of injury that'll miraculously clear up come January the 1st when he'll look to move to Fulham once again.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11925 on: October 22, 2009, 03:02:22 PM »

The cynic in me says it's the type of injury that'll miraculously clear up come January the 1st when he'll look to move to Fulham once again.


I have the same feeling. I'm sure he'll make it big with Fulham, just to fuck us over.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11926 on: October 22, 2009, 03:08:56 PM »
He's been "injured" and missing the u18s games.

The cynic in me says it's the type of injury that'll miraculously clear up come January the 1st when he'll look to move to Fulham once again.

Hehe, yeah, and reading Tomkins piece, with Rafa being disappointed with a certain few young players already with entourages. You'd have to assume that one of those is LDV.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11927 on: October 22, 2009, 03:32:44 PM »
Eccleston is far too greedy and nearly always makes the wrong choice.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11928 on: October 22, 2009, 03:39:23 PM »
He's been "injured" and missing the u18s games.

The cynic in me says it's the type of injury that'll miraculously clear up come January the 1st when he'll look to move to Fulham once again.

since when is he moving to fulham - he has a pro contract(4 yrs) with anyway doesn't he
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11929 on: October 22, 2009, 03:55:37 PM »
Eccleston is far too greedy and nearly always makes the wrong choice.
He shows one of the highest potentials in our reserves. In my opinion of course.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11930 on: October 22, 2009, 03:56:03 PM »
Eccleston is far too greedy and nearly always makes the wrong choice.

I like the fact he is a bit greedy. As for making the wrong choice you have to remember he is young and learning the game.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11931 on: October 22, 2009, 04:14:42 PM »
Eccleston very rarely makes the right choice though.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11932 on: October 22, 2009, 04:47:11 PM »
With Threfall, Darby, Mavinga, Kelly we seem to have a glut of full backs coming through, would be glad  if atleast 2 make it (we dont need more anyway)

and how is  Darby playing. Feeling bad for this guy; kind of think he wont be able to make it, with Kelly jumping ahead.

What about Robbie Threfall? I thought he was a goner, but seems to have come back strongly.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11933 on: October 22, 2009, 04:56:25 PM »
With Threfall, Darby, Mavinga, Kelly we seem to have a glut of full backs coming through, would be glad  if atleast 2 make it (we dont need more anyway)

and how is  Darby playing. Feeling bad for this guy; kind of think he wont be able to make it, with Kelly jumping ahead.

What about Robbie Threfall? I thought he was a goner, but seems to have come back strongly.

Mavinga and Kelly are predominately Centre Backs though, usually playing as a full back is supposed to allow them to develop their passing game and positioning mentality, thats a guess :P worked for Carragher anyway :D
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11934 on: October 22, 2009, 05:39:58 PM »
Was talking to one of the unused subs from last night. He said that Aquilani farted whilst on the bench and it smelled like roses. Also, when Aquilani entered the fray, my mate took the opportunity to take a swig of his water bottle. Incredibly it had been turned to wine. Honest. 

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11935 on: October 22, 2009, 05:56:34 PM »
With Threfall, Darby, Mavinga, Kelly we seem to have a glut of full backs coming through, would be glad  if atleast 2 make it (we dont need more anyway)

and how is  Darby playing. Feeling bad for this guy; kind of think he wont be able to make it, with Kelly jumping ahead.

What about Robbie Threfall? I thought he was a goner, but seems to have come back strongly.

Was thinking earlier how Darby seems to have been overtaken in the pecking order.  Not sure he's going to get much of a chance in the 1st team with Kelly and Deggen seemingly in front of him.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11936 on: October 22, 2009, 06:01:47 PM »
Was thinking earlier how Darby seems to have been overtaken in the pecking order.  Not sure he's going to get much of a chance in the 1st team with Kelly and Deggen seemingly in front of him.

For this year; Degen is going to be history soon.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11937 on: October 22, 2009, 06:19:51 PM »
Threlfall has played CB in the ressies on occasion, but I couldn't see him playing there for any first team other than in an emergency.  Yes, he has shown improvements this season, but is it enough? I duno, I think what also seems to go against him is that it just doesn't seem like his cielling is all that high, and the same could be said of Darby as well.  I have said for a while now, mostly jokingly, but with a bit of seriousness behind it, that Kelly could be LFC's Sergio Ramos. In fact, he could prove to be even better because Ramos is prone to the odd (or sometimes not so odd) lapse at the back. I think that Kelly has so much to offer going forward that maybe he could offer more as a right back.


I wonder about how Mavinga would handle the physicality of the Prem as a CB, and I don't think I have seen him enough at LB to see how he plays there.  He certainly seems like a good option to play against pacier forwards, I would even think about him playing or being on the bench for the Arsenal Cup fixture.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11938 on: October 22, 2009, 06:30:24 PM »
Nemeth's playing for AEK against BATE Borisov in the Europa League now. AEK are 1-0 up apparently.

EDIT: According to uefa.com, they got a penalty after Nemeth was fouled and Blanco scored it.
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« Reply #11939 on: October 22, 2009, 07:21:19 PM »
Of course it happened. Rafa fined the player £500 for drinking alcohol during the match as well.


if thats true, then that is bang out of order from aquilani.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11940 on: October 22, 2009, 07:38:09 PM »
Nemeth's playing for AEK against BATE Borisov in the Europa League now. AEK are 1-0 up apparently.

EDIT: According to uefa.com, they got a penalty after Nemeth was fouled and Blanco scored it.

Didnt have the best of games i don't think looking at it. Seemed to have conceded lots of fouls, and give the ball away when he did rarely have it.

Guess it doesn't help that AEK went down to ten men away from a good Benfica side however.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11941 on: October 22, 2009, 08:08:49 PM »
With Threfall, Darby, Mavinga, Kelly we seem to have a glut of full backs coming through, would be glad  if atleast 2 make it (we dont need more anyway)

and how is  Darby playing. Feeling bad for this guy; kind of think he wont be able to make it, with Kelly jumping ahead.

What about Robbie Threfall? I thought he was a goner, but seems to have come back strongly.

That German kid too? Butchmann? Seems to be quite highly thought of.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11942 on: October 22, 2009, 08:20:03 PM »
if thats true, then that is bang out of order from aquilani.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11943 on: October 23, 2009, 12:26:28 AM »
With Threfall, Darby, Mavinga, Kelly we seem to have a glut of full backs coming through, would be glad  if atleast 2 make it (we dont need more anyway)

and how is  Darby playing. Feeling bad for this guy; kind of think he wont be able to make it, with Kelly jumping ahead.

What about Robbie Threfall? I thought he was a goner, but seems to have come back strongly.

Can't see Darby making it now and I think the championship beckons for him. Kelly was class against Lyon and with the homegrown rule coming in next season he should definitely be ahead of Degen now. Mavinga played as a CB for PSG reserves last season and this season for our reserves but he's size makes him more suited to being a full back imo. Talking of full backs where is Buchtmann? I was expecting him to be playing more for the reserves this season. Personally I think he is our most talented youngster. 

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11944 on: October 23, 2009, 12:36:05 AM »
pacheco is a diamond for me....he is what we need badly.
he has so much ability on the ball.
he can create ,and takes a great free kick.
would love to see him thrown in there.
some might say he is too small or light weight because he is young,but he would be getting free kicks for us in dangerous positions.hes tricky,positive,likes to go forward and for goal and can play forwards in,with sneaky little passes.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11945 on: October 23, 2009, 12:48:09 AM »
Not sure whats happining with Buchtmann but i think hes very highly rated and UEFA named him one of the top 10 stars of the future not that thats much to go on,the last i saw of him was in the u17 european championships where he played great and germany won it
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11946 on: October 23, 2009, 12:51:23 AM »
Not sure whats happining with Buchtmann but i think hes very highly rated and UEFA named him one of the top 10 stars of the future not that thats much to go on,the last i saw of him was in the u17 european championships where he played great and germany won it

He's with the German u17s preparing for the u17 world cup which will be held in Nigeria from October 24 to November 15, 2009.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11947 on: October 23, 2009, 12:58:29 AM »
Bit about the young players from Tomkins' blog in his day with Rafa;

http://tomkinstimes.com/2009/10/my-day-with-crisis-hit-benitez/

He talks glowingly about Francisco Duran’s ability, but after three cruciate injuries, there’s a chance the Spanish younger, who was coveted by Arsene Wenger but chose Liverpool, will never be the same again. Wonderful prospect in 2007, but fate has handicapped his development. He may not have become the next Cesc Fabregas, but then neither would Fabregas had he had three such horrible injuries.

He mentions young players now at other clubs that he thought he had done enough to sign, but when not enough urgency was shown by those he was asking to do the business.

I am invited around to look at his PC monitor, to see his database of the full Melwood cast list, and who he has in mind for each position, from first team through to young prospects. I learn which kids are showing a great attitude, and which ones are disappointing him; the kind of thing you just don’t get to see unless you’re part of the club. It’s great information, but something for him to discuss with the players in question (and not for me to mention). Some, it saddens him to see, seem to have entourages already. He dreads good young players losing their focus, or having their heads turned. That’s why mentality is so important.

He rates Pacheco, the fans’ darling-in-waiting, but although he doesn’t say as much, he is another small, clever player, the like of which is already in abundance in a team lacking height. But Pacheco definitely has a chance, if he can span the great gap that exists from the reserves to the first team.

I mention Nemeth, and Rafa clearly likes him; but he needs first-team experience to toughen up. He’s definitely not out on loan to be offloaded, but at this stage Voronin, with his added experience (given that the first team is still very young, on average), was felt to be the better option as back-up second-striker.

Gulasci (whom I earlier watched close up in a one-on-one session with a goalkeeping coach) is another prospect he has high hopes for; but young goalkeepers can get crucified after a mistake, and 20 is very young for the bench in that position.

Finally, Ayala is singled out for praise as someone with a great attitude and a very bright future. (Having walked past the 18-year-old, all I can say as I’d have hated him marking me! Jesus Christ, I almost shat myself when he looked my way…).

The difficulty, of course, is in finding loans for promising players that will see them get games; we discuss incentives for those clubs taking these young Reds, such as San Jose’s year in Spain.

Send them to rival Premier League clubs, as happened in the past, and it’s likely to be a struggling side who shows an interest (Chelsea aren’t going to want your best reserves, are they? – and nor will they get them), only for the manager to then panic (or get sacked) and the club jettison them to their own reserves when the going gets tougher. It happened with Mellor and Le Tallec. So the aim is to find clubs who will definitely develop them.

Finally, we discuss the sell-on clauses that some younger ‘flops’ (who are now succeeding abroad) have in their contracts. Again, I won’t go into details, but it’s nice to know that profits will be made on small investments.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11948 on: October 23, 2009, 06:30:52 AM »
So how was Nemeth yesterday? Heard that he won a penalty. Anything else?
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11949 on: October 23, 2009, 06:53:16 AM »
Get him in the team for United.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11950 on: October 23, 2009, 07:14:12 AM »
So how was Nemeth yesterday? Heard that he won a penalty. Anything else?
When I started watching the game, he was literally just coming off as as sub.  Didn't look too happy about being subbed, either.  Maybe he was just frustrated with the game, AEK had two men sent off in the match and eventually lost.  The pitch looked like shit too.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11951 on: October 23, 2009, 07:42:59 AM »
I think Butchmann might have had some small injury issues as the beginning of the season as well

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11952 on: October 23, 2009, 08:22:23 AM »
Was gutted to hear what Rafa said about Francisco Duran , hope he proves Rafa wrong ..
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11953 on: October 23, 2009, 08:53:22 AM »
I was in my barbers, must have been early this year (might have been earlier, it was a good few haircuts ago) chatting away and this fella walked in and sat down. Andy, my barber and a (thoroughly decent) millwall fan, introduced me and told me this fella works at millwall. can't remember what he did, but he might have been a youth coach or something similar. we got chatting about football and i told him i was a liverpool fan. He was really lamenting the fact that Amoo had come to us and saying he had a lot of talent and a bright future if he stuck at it and got a chance. Didn't begrudge him coming to us either although he seemed a bit narked (probably more at how shite milwall are that they had no chance of keeping him).
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11954 on: October 23, 2009, 01:48:09 PM »
Was gutted to hear what Rafa said about Francisco Duran , hope he proves Rafa wrong ..

ditto rocco.  a classy player and no mistake but he's just missed so much game time when he should have been polishing his act for the first team.  a crying shame if it doesn't happen for him so lets hope its not quite game over yet.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11955 on: October 23, 2009, 03:35:01 PM »
Was gutted to hear what Rafa said about Francisco Duran , hope he proves Rafa wrong ..

what did he say?

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11956 on: October 23, 2009, 03:56:46 PM »
what did he say?

its from mr miyagis post:

http://tomkinstimes.com/2009/10/my-day-with-crisis-hit-benitez/

He talks glowingly about Francisco Duran’s ability, but after three cruciate injuries, there’s a chance the Spanish younger, who was coveted by Arsene Wenger but chose Liverpool, will never be the same again. Wonderful prospect in 2007, but fate has handicapped his development. He may not have become the next Cesc Fabregas, but then neither would Fabregas had he had three such horrible injuries.

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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11957 on: October 23, 2009, 04:35:34 PM »
i thought Duran was gonna be a superstar when he arrived talk of how good he was on the ball and his technical ability all round but as someone said earlier, it's just like Rob Jones. But he's still young, maybe he can recover and become a good player.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11958 on: October 23, 2009, 04:56:04 PM »
"he is another small, clever player, the like of which is already in abundance" do we? In fact we are missing clever players who can create something out of nothing IMO only yossi, gerrard and maybe torres has the ability to create a chance out of nothing.


i thought Duran was gonna be a superstar when he arrived talk of how good he was on the ball and his technical ability all round but as someone said earlier, it's just like Rob Jones. But he's still young, maybe he can recover and become a good player.
I have only seen maybe 2-3 times and in that time i knew he had the talent to be special, the guy outplayed the likes of spearing and plessis (when he was good) and he only just came back from injury.  big shame really.
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Re: So what are these Youth/Reserve Lads like?
« Reply #11959 on: October 24, 2009, 08:04:49 AM »
any guesses as to the identity of "Later on, as I get the full tour, we pass one lesser known teenage reserve, and Rafa, pulling me to one side so the kid can't hear, makes it clear that this lad has something about him. "Look out for him."

I think the candidates are Kacaniklic, Mavinga, Palsson, Saric, Butchmann, or Pölöskei.

Also, I was just looking at the wiki page for our reserve team and someone has changed the flag of Pacheco's nationality to Mexican. Is this a prank?
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