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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #680 on: November 23, 2007, 05:44:48 AM »
I have always maintained a belief that the owners were a couple of cheap bastards.  Clearly they haven't got the money to sign the Mascherano and a new centre half.  So they demanded that for some of the deadwood to be sold first.

Unlike most here, I don't rate this character Benitez.  I don't trust him.  I don't like his demeanour.  I don't his excuses.  I didn't like the way he badmouthed the Houllier legacy he inherited.  I don't like the way he makes us play.  I can't wait to see the back of him.

It promises to get even uglier.  Carson, Crouch, Riise and Sissoko could be out the door before the 3rd Round of the Cup.  This is a good thing.

I don't know which of the two sides I can't stand the most.  The owners or the manager.



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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #681 on: November 23, 2007, 05:56:18 AM »
It doesn't worry me who writes an article; Tony Barrett or Our Lord. I'm basing the 'Benitez refuses to commit his future to Liverpool' statement on what was said at the press conference that Tony Barret is basing his article on. Nowhere in that interview was he asked nor commented on his commitment to Liverpool FC. If you have listened or seen the interview you will know that the England manager comment was done tongue in cheek.
I have listened to the interview and seen the short clips linked to upthread and I agree with you; there was nothing therein to warrant that headline/claim. But I also have more than enough respect for Tony Barratt based on his previous writings to feel fairly confident that this is just not his style; he doesn't go around inventing sensational stories or drawing unwarranted conclusions. So why did he write this article? Either it's some immense joke which no-one has got or he knows more than he's saying or he has made a big but innocent mistake or been lied to by a source.

But add in the bizarre statement rushed out by G&T and it does look a little odd, no?
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I also heard Rafa say only this week that he was committed to Liverpool and could only see a long term future here. That's not based on a report, that's based on what the man actually said.
Same here and I remember posting a huge thumbs up to his eloquent words about 'my club, my fans and my city'. Lovely stuff. But even a day is a long time in football (remember Wednesday night?) and it's not inconceivable that in the last day or so Rafa has had conversations or arguments in which things he thought he had been promised suddenly failed to materialise. That's just one possibility.

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If you want to believe something because a journo who happens to be a Red says it then that's upto you.
Well it's a bit more than just that he's a red; I'm taking his previous history of writing strong, positive stuff about the team and always being upbeat and the opposite of 'sensationalist' into account. Seems a reasonable stance.

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I prefer to listen to what I have actually heard.
fair enough but isn't it possible that you haven't heard everything there is to hear?

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The comments from Hicks and Gilette would seem odd if they simply issued a statement without any reason. There is nothing in the public domain to suggest this comment needed to be made. It appears that they have been asked and have answered a question. There is no need to publish the question nor who asked it unless it's an official interview on .TV
That's reaching a bit, come on. Why in the world should the website publish - i.e. place on view for readers' attention - the answer to a question that no-one knew had been asked? If we're unaware of the question being asked we don't need to be told the answer.

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The other assumption of course is that they are making a preemptive strike. Given that only this week Rafa gave an interview on LFC TV and said that he was looking at a number of players but that's all. He would see where we are towards the end of the year and maybe things will be different.
Which appears to echo what was said in the  Hicks & Gilette statement.
Maybe but the wording of that statement just doesn't feel right to me...


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It's funny though how any negativity is believed far easier than anything positive.
Not funny really, perfectly understandable. We're a nervous lot; after years of underachievement we're potentially on the brink of something great. We can't help but be semeiotically attuned into any possible rifts, flaws, problems, snags or potential signs of the wheels coming off this wonderful future we've all dreamed about. It's normal

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All the ususal suspects come back out of the woodwork after their 2 week hibernation at the slightest hint of a bit of something to whinge about.
Yawn. That's just another way of saying forum members come and comment upon a Liverpool related story on a forum designed to enable them to come and comment. But your way allows you to have a dig eh? :)

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #682 on: November 23, 2007, 06:01:18 AM »
Why would I defend them? Their solution to any problem is to throw more money at it. It pisses me off just driving around here, you can imagine how I might feel about this.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #683 on: November 23, 2007, 06:14:41 AM »
If it is no money or no mash deal how would everyone feel?

I'm gonna go against the grain and say if it's in excess of 15m for Mascher would not be an ideal signing for us.  Of course, I would qualify this comment with *unless we offload some other CM talent.  But as it stands I think that a large wad of funds could be targeted at signings for other areas of the pitch, that is, not the area of the pitch where we are by far the strongest.

Personally, I think we would get by just fine with Gerrard, Alonso, Momo and Lucas... that's not to say I'm not a fan of Mascher, I'd be happy for him to sign, I just don't see the necessity.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #684 on: November 23, 2007, 06:16:51 AM »
I just do not think any reference to DIC is relevant or helpful to fan the temperature against the owners without much facts known.  Let's judge G & H on what they do, not what DIC might have done - something no one will ever know.

It is obvious that there is some bad blood between the most important people in our Club.  Not good at all.   Unless the differences are resolved I can see Rafa's stay become untenable which will be heart breaking.

My point is, a blanket defence of Gillett and Hicks is stupid right now, especially since some essential facts (such as Foster Gillett not being in Liverpool since the Arsenal game) have proven that it's not as clear cut as a misinterpreted quote.
I'm 'picking' on 4pool, because he's praised Gillett and Hicks ever since they got here. I don't like what's happening because it doesn't seem like they're being 100% honest.
I feel for Rafa, especially with the media and a section of fans being completely idiotic lately. It's ridiculous sometimes what's going on and it's clear that we're still far away from being close to completion. We still need changes in all aspects yet some people expect Rafa to win the quadruple without conceding any goals.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #685 on: November 23, 2007, 06:22:12 AM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article2926284.ece

Hmm according to Oliver Key the incidence of the phrase "I am focusing on coaching and training my team" has now risen from 10 to 25... :)

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #686 on: November 23, 2007, 06:30:12 AM »
Wow, just watched the clips. Can anybody say, 'blown out of proportion'? Shit headline - it implies something which clearly Rafa isnt saying. Seems like a standard, run-of-the-mill Rafa joke (funny only because its not funny :P)

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #687 on: November 23, 2007, 06:31:01 AM »
If G & T hadn't come out with their little statement then there's nothing in Rafa's interview to say he's in a spat with the owners. Nothing at all. This whole situation is an embarrassment for the club and as soon as this mess is cleared up the better. I'm extremely pissed off with the owners right now.

They need to learn fast to just shut the fuck up!!

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #688 on: November 23, 2007, 06:39:59 AM »
It was not long ago that Benitez was openly ruling out a move to Bayern Munich on the grounds that he is happy with the club, the fans, and the city. It seems likely he doesn't want to leave, but it's not unknown for him to put pressure on the owners through public statements, particularly where squad-building is concerned.

There could be a clash of egos, but these things happen when ambitious men, used to getting their own way, work together. It sounds like he's been told to wait until mid-December, i.e., when we know whether we are going to progress in the Champions League, before transfer budgets will be discussed. Hopefully that's all it is. One things for sure, if we get through in the Champions League and go on a decent run until the end of the year leaving us well placed in the league everything will seem rosy again...
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #689 on: November 23, 2007, 06:49:51 AM »
My point is, a blanket defence of Gillett and Hicks is stupid right now, especially since some essential facts (such as Foster Gillett not being in Liverpool since the Arsenal game) have proven that it's not as clear cut as a misinterpreted quote.
I'm 'picking' on 4pool, because he's praised Gillett and Hicks ever since they got here. I don't like what's happening because it doesn't seem like they're being 100% honest.
I feel for Rafa, especially with the media and a section of fans being completely idiotic lately. It's ridiculous sometimes what's going on and it's clear that we're still far away from being close to completion. We still need changes in all aspects yet some people expect Rafa to win the quadruple without conceding any goals.

You're essential complaint is that the owners son hasn't been to a home match since arsenal?
The lads must be beside themselves that Foster isn't helping out.


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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #690 on: November 23, 2007, 07:01:07 AM »
One things for sure, if we get through in the Champions League and go on a decent run until the end of the year leaving us well placed in the league everything will seem rosy again...


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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #691 on: November 23, 2007, 07:05:19 AM »
And if we dont ?

Err..."I'm focusing on training and working with my team"

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #692 on: November 23, 2007, 07:06:59 AM »
You're essential complaint is that the owners son hasn't been to a home match since arsenal?
The lads must be beside themselves that Foster isn't helping out.

No. The point is, according to some credible posters, one of the people involved in making transfers happen hasn't been in Liverpool for a while. The transfer window opens in 5 weeks.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #693 on: November 23, 2007, 07:09:19 AM »
Err..."I'm focusing on training and working with my team"

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #694 on: November 23, 2007, 07:16:22 AM »
If it's true and Foster Gillett is our newest bestest scout, I really hope he hasn't set foot in liverpool.  Unless Arteta  is our best hope in January.

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #695 on: November 23, 2007, 07:21:30 AM »
I wouldnt be surprised if Rafa comes out with a statement today that he is 100% committed to Liverpool. After the reaction to this article i think its important he does.
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« Reply #696 on: November 23, 2007, 07:29:08 AM »
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #697 on: November 23, 2007, 07:35:34 AM »
Well the media got a nice reaction out of a lot of you :)

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #698 on: November 23, 2007, 07:36:03 AM »
I think its been a case of qualify for the CL and still be in the title race by December and we have a deal, if not we cannot give you X amount of cash without the money the CL brings.

I also feel we dont need that many new players either a new defender is a must along with signing Mascherano permantley we will recieve a decent amount for Riise, Crouch, Sissoko and Carson.

But I am not happy with the dirty washing being brought out in public its not the Liverpool way, both Rafa and the Yanks need to get a grip of it.
Keep these things behind closed doors as it effects the players, the fans and not good for moral.

Just when things where going good something like this shite happens.
Its a good job Maclaren was sacked because this would have been the leading story plastered everywhere instead of the second leading story.

Not good.

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #699 on: November 23, 2007, 07:38:42 AM »
Transcript of Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez when questioned by the Press yesterday

Nov 23 2007 by Ian Doyle, Liverpool Daily Post

PRESS: Do you know how much you will have to spend from the American owners in January?

RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.

Have you had any assurances you’ll have what you want?

RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.

What about your long-term plan?

RB: My plan is training and coaching the team.

Is there anything upsetting you?

RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.

Do you have anything to say?

RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.

It’s clear something is up...

RB: You have my answer.

You’re very different from normal...

RB: You have my answer.

It’s clear that something is up, though. How can you focus on your training and coaching?

RB: I was preparing the training session before this Press conference. So I am always focused on training and coaching.

It’s not always possible, though...

RB: Yes, it is for me.

You said after the story linking you with Bayern Munich you were happy to stay here for a long time, is that still the case?

RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.

We’re not going to tease it out of you, are we? You’re not normally late for a Press conference. You were obviously preoccupied by something...

RB: Because as always I was focusing on the training session.

Is there anything you would like to say?

RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.

You always say you are focused on training and coaching, but you usually give answers to our enquiries, so how come it’s changed suddenly?

RB: Nothing. I’m just focused on training and coaching as always.

You did kind of suggest to the TV people that you were open to possibility of the England job. Is that something we should treat seriously?

RB: It’s your decision. You never know what will happen in the future.

Were you serious when you answered it?

RB: I was serious.

It would be dereliction of our duty not to point out that one day you say you are looking to stay here a long time, then the next day you are saying who knows about England for the future. Isn’t there a contradiction between the two?

RB: The future is the future. Now, as always I am focused on training and coaching my team, so I cannot say anything else. Just to keep preparing for the next game.

You’ve always said you wanted to stay here for years and years and talked about the future here?

RB: That is true.

So, what you’re saying suggests that perhaps the future here is in question?

RB: I am focused on training and coaching my team.

So who knows?

RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.

Are you being allowed to do that as you wish?

RB: I am focused on training and coaching my team.

Does everyone associated with the club share that opinion?

RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #700 on: November 23, 2007, 07:46:40 AM »
There's an awful lot of ostrich like behaviour going on in this thread.


Fair enough not to panic about these things but you can go too far in the other direction as well.

As Rushian said with the nationals carrying pretty much an identical story its pretty obvious Rafa was doing a bit of briefing after the main conference yesterday, he's also right that apart from the stadium plans (still unfunded as far as I know) and convincing a lot of fans that they put a lot of money into the club to buy players last summer (which they seemingly didn't from a brief look at the numbers), the owners haven't actually delivered a great deal to date to be worthy of the heavy backing so many of us are seemingly willing to give them.

As Dave U said its equally obvious from whats been said the Masch deal is currently in limbo, and the Americans clearly decided to get their view in with the  statement yesterday before Rafa's briefing hit the press.

Time will tell how it all plays out anyway

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #701 on: November 23, 2007, 07:47:37 AM »
But I am not happy with the dirty washing being brought out in public its not the Liverpool way, both Rafa and the Yanks need to get a grip of it.
Keep these things behind closed doors as it effects the players, the fans and not good for moral.

I think thats the main feeling among all of us. Unfortunately Rafa has a history of using the press in this way. Either he does it purposely, or doesn't have enough self control to put on a performance for the media. Personally I think the whole '7 finals and 4 trophies in 3 years' thing has got to his head a bit.

Either way, I love the man for what he's brought to this club - and if he ends up leaving us because of the Americans won't back him financially - well I'll respect him no less for it. But its really unprofessional of him to blatantly show that things aren't rosy behind the scenes. I understand if you've just lost a CL final, but this is definitely something that should be kept behind closed doors.

After reading that transcript though - there is no way that things are okay. He's quite obviously considering his future at this club.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #702 on: November 23, 2007, 07:49:56 AM »
Much ado about nothing.

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #703 on: November 23, 2007, 07:52:27 AM »
Much ado about nothing.

18 pages.....come back off the edge of the building.

You read that transcript and tell me honestly that there is nothing we should be worried about.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #704 on: November 23, 2007, 07:53:23 AM »
Well the media got a nice reaction out of a lot of you :)

No, Rafa did.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #705 on: November 23, 2007, 07:54:55 AM »
Rafael Benitez insisted he never enjoyed mind games with Jose Mourinho but he used his press conference yesterday to send a pointed message to Liverpool's owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, and cast major doubt over his future.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/11/23/sfnliv123.xml

Hicks and Gillett are not prepared to discuss transfer targets until they meet Benitez next month and the Spaniard is clearly deeply unhappy at being told he cannot immediately tie up Javier Mascherano, who is being targeted by Barcelona, on a permanent basis for a £17 million fee that he has negotiated.

   
Deeply unhappy: Rafael Benitez is concerned that Liverpool could miss out on two major signings
He is also worried that dithering could enable Manchester United or Real Madrid to beat him to the signing of Racing Santander's Argentine defender, Ezequiel Garay.

He believes that waiting could cost him both players and having volunteered that he would one day like to manage England, he refused to speak expansively on numerous topics yesterday, insisting that he was "focused on training and coaching".

That mantra, repeated 15 times in a nine-minute briefing with newspaper journalists, was a clear indication of his anger at what he perceives to be a crucial issue not being viewed as a top priority by the club's owners, who he thinks have told him just to get on with his job rather than complete key transfers.

Just two days after being linked with German club Bayern Munich caused him to speak about his long-term plans for Liverpool, his desire to win the league and his contentment at life on Merseyside, Benitez shrugged when he was asked if he stood by those statements and refused to deny that his future was in the balanc

Routine questions about tomorrow's opposition, Newcastle, and the issue with the Americans were met time and again with: "I am focused on training and coaching."

It is not the first time Benitez's friction with "the Americans" has come to the surface. In the wake of Liverpool's 2-1 defeat to AC Milan in the Champions League final in May, Benitez attacked the club's hierarchy over what he believed was a lack of funds and chief executive Rick Parry's sluggishness in the transfer market.

Hicks and Gillett backed their manager in the summer by spending in excess of £50 million on new players.

Despite that, Liverpool look no closer to mounting a serious challenge for the title.

Hicks and Gillett released a statement last night, which read: "We made a significant investment in the playing squad during the summer and desperately want this team to succeed. There are some very important games coming up and all of us need to focus on winning those games and getting the best out of the players we already have.

"We will leave any talk of buying or selling players until we come across to Liverpool in December and sit down with the manager then."



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2007/11/23/rafa-doubts-reds-future-89520-20149549/


Rafa doubts Reds future
By David Maddock 23/11/2007


The Spanish coach (left) revealed his anger over how he perceives his situation at the club, when he remarkably put himself forward as the next England manager, and refused to commit himself to a long-term role at Anfield.

Benitez has become increasingly frustrated at his long-distance relationship with American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, and has deep reservations about their hands-off approach.

He is known to be concerned over what he sees as a lack of action in the transfer market - particularly over his demands for the upcoming tranfer window - and has been approached by both Bayern Munich and Fenerbahce in recent weeks.

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 In an extraordinary public outburst yesterday, the Liverpool boss gave what amounted to a 'back me or sack me' ultimatum to the American owners, visibly shaking with anger at an exchange with them that occurred just a few minutes before.

Gillett and Hicks quickly responded with a statement that argued they have given the Spaniard millions of pounds worth of backing in the transfer market, and equipped him with a squad to win trophies.

They also pointed out their patience in dealing with outbursts of this type from Benitez, most notably when he berated them after the Champions League final.

Their approach seems designed to call the bluff of Benitez, and force him to back down or quit the club - a move that would cost him the millions he would be owed on his contract if he were sacked.

At a crucial time in the club's history a vicious civil war has broken out. It can only destroy the fragile peace that has existed since the manager's last outburst.

Benitez stopped short of verbally threatening to walk out yesterday, but his implication was clear, and he did insist that he was a candidate to become the next manager of England.

"I may be interested in the England job. In the future you never know. It could happen, maybe if I improve my English," he said, with barely a hint of a smile.

Later, when questioned whether we should take his suggestion seriously, he responded: "I was serious about England, yes."


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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #706 on: November 23, 2007, 08:02:47 AM »
You read that transcript and tell me honestly that there is nothing we should be worried about.
I read it...and I am not concerned one little bit.

If I have learned anything about Rafa,it is that he likes to talk and he likes to create a stir within the media.

Benitez has a job to do with us and I fully expect him to see it through.


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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #707 on: November 23, 2007, 08:04:14 AM »
I found it strange that when Benitez was asked on Spanish radio if he was staying at Liverpool he answered that he would not leave unless "they sack me". Maybe the frictions between him and the owners have been a constant issue.

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #708 on: November 23, 2007, 08:04:26 AM »
Do people believe that Rafa's agent leaks stories to the press about Bayern or real wanting him just to get what he wants in a mild form of Blackmail?

Or is there genuine interest?
And he would walk.

Its not a very good situation is it what about all these young kids he has brought in for the future if he doesnt plan to be here?

What about the spanish speaking players we have if he left I think most would follow him, then you would get another manager another squad overhaul with the players he would want.

Its just not the time to be arsing around like this its got me worried I may not agree with some of Rafa's rotation methods and I have been critical of him doing so but I dont want him to leave I dont think there is a better replacement out there and all this is totally unnecessary from both parties.

And the way Pako left was weird to say the least maybe more things have gone on that we are not aware of.

Your right hand man for 12 years doesnt become your enemy over night for no reason.

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #709 on: November 23, 2007, 08:05:48 AM »
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
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RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team.
RB: As always I am focused on training and coaching my team. :butt

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Seems to me if we had already been qualified for the next stage of the champions league , cash for Rafa would already be on the table , so if transfer funds are totally dependant on qualification , seems very short sighted my the americans
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #710 on: November 23, 2007, 08:11:14 AM »
I wasn't really that worried until i read the Owner statements and the Transcript of the Press conference.  It's clear there are a lot of things going wrong in the club and washing dirty linen in public is just the nadir of it all.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #711 on: November 23, 2007, 08:11:36 AM »
Benitez stopped short of verbally threatening to walk out yesterday, but his implication was clear, and he did insist that he was a candidate to become the next manager of England.

Later, when questioned whether we should take his suggestion seriously, he responded: "I was serious about England, yes." WTF  :-X

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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #712 on: November 23, 2007, 08:12:17 AM »
After reading the transcript of the press conference - something is up -  big or not - and whatever it is, it is bothering Benitez.   For the Yanks to issue a press statement - it must be causing an issue for them to do that (I don't buy into 'they are American and don't know how the press works', they are top business men) so there must be friction and disagreements about transfer budgets - that can be the only thing - especially after they said, we will wait to see what happens - meaning Champs League qualification, and like it or not, the next few league games could determine whether we are still in the race or not. SO if all goes well, then there will be money, if we don't qualify then not.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #713 on: November 23, 2007, 08:13:37 AM »
Benitez stopped short of verbally threatening to walk out yesterday, but his implication was clear, and he did insist that he was a candidate to become the next manager of England.

Later, when questioned whether we should take his suggestion seriously, he responded: "I was serious about England, yes." WTF  :-X


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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #714 on: November 23, 2007, 08:15:50 AM »
When  are Gillett and Hick's coming over ,..IMO THEY NEED TO GET OVER HERE QUICKLY AND SORT THINGS OUT.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #715 on: November 23, 2007, 08:20:22 AM »
this makes me worry  :'(
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #716 on: November 23, 2007, 08:23:27 AM »
any chance of us getting an update on things today? Or will we have to wait till the next press conf?
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #717 on: November 23, 2007, 08:23:43 AM »
This episode scares me. Scares me shitless. I'm not a psychologist or any sort of genius but reading the transcripts, G&H statement and some of your considered opinions I fear for our immediate future.

Whilst not everybodys cup of, Rafa has still been our best manager since Kenny,and offers our brightest hope of No 19. He has a long-term plan in place and this project has really only just started.

If he is forced out, or walks, what sort of limbo are we left in then?

And who would replace him? Mourinho-no way. Jol- you're kidding! Jewell, Lippi who? WHO?

I'm bricking it quite honestly. I pray that G&H have the vision and the cash to fulfill their promises, and back Rafa.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #718 on: November 23, 2007, 08:24:50 AM »
any chance of us getting an update on things today? Or will we have to wait till the next press conf?

If Rafa has anything about him he will clarify things today if he doesnt.
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Re: Benitez not happy? Also statement from Hicks and Gillett.
« Reply #719 on: November 23, 2007, 08:26:40 AM »
If Rafa has anything about him he will clarify things today if he doesnt.
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More worried if Rafa has to wait untill mid-december to trash things out....to long imo.
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