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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2007, 09:12:51 PM »
Because Gerrard had growing problems. Kompany hasnt. 5 years top experience? If hes had 2 long term injuries and got 5 years top experience, what age did he start getting a game for Anderlect/Hamburg? 15?

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2007, 09:15:56 PM »
Since the start of this year Crouch's shortcomings are noticeable; Hit it beyond the defender and he will never catch it; put a fast cross in he doesn't need to jump for it so he gets not power or direction in any of his headers.  The problems is we now have a world class striker and we are comparing him to him. Crouch pales on comparison to Torres however if we get rid of Crouch who are we going to replace him with.  Who is like Crouch.   How does he control the ball the way he does HE IS TOO TALL & GANGLY,  no one can explain it defenders shit themselves and either foul him or seemed to get fouled by him (depending on the referee)
I think Rafa rates him, rated him for god knows how many games before he scored whilst every hack and tabloid laughed at the £7m Price tag.  He came good.   The problem is if Torres is fit the the fight is who will play with him up front.  I would like Crouch to stay however his agents will want him playing and earning

If someone is willing to pay stupid money nobody is indispensable but I do not think Rafa is looking to off load him Crouch or his agent may be the ones touting him around   

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2007, 09:24:31 PM »
Seems to me he has really upset Rafa - it looks like a done deal to me. These stories come out, build up and the deal gets done. But yes we now have a world class striker and boy can you tell the difference! If we sold him and Carson and got another player of Torres ability either January or in the summer then it would be great business!

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2007, 09:26:40 PM »
if we're going to be truly world class, we better get used to players leaving to make room for better ones, that's for sure.

less at the crouchie level, more at the torres level, thank you very much. :D
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2007, 09:26:44 PM »
20million for those two, id take it definately. 

For that money we could get in a quality left winger and push babel up as the replacement for crouch as our other striker and still have some left over for CB cover so its good deal for us.
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2007, 09:39:32 PM »
20mil is good money but I'd hold off until summer before selling Crouch until a worthwhile replacement is available. Otherwise I wouldn't be too confident with Kuyt/Voronin leading the line alone if Torres was to get injured.
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2007, 09:48:14 PM »
20mil is good money but I'd hold off until summer before selling Crouch until a worthwhile replacement is available. Otherwise I wouldn't be too confident with Kuyt/Voronin leading the line alone if Torres was to get injured.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2007, 09:57:44 PM »
Given how useful Crouch is still in the squad (and his goal-scoring stats say that he is useful regardless of how awkward he looks), Rafa much already have someone else in mind if he is going to do this.  It may be Babel moving up front (which I'd like to see), but then there would be a stack of money available to buy a LW.  Either way, £20m for Carson/Crouch is terrific money, and if we get another £6m+ for Riise, and the owners top it up with a reasonably small sum too, then suddenly you're looking at £30m+ for Rafa to spend on a CB and a striker or LW.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2007, 10:05:00 PM »
£20M for both Carson and Crouch is good business, there is no doubt about that.

Now to Crouch.  He is a player, who forms part of a very good strikeforce, which has strength in depth (whoever is considered 4th choice striker in our squad, beit Crouch, Voronin or Kuyt, then they are the best 4th choice striker in the Premier League) but if he is not happy with the amount of games he is getting, we cannot do anything about that.  to be honest, he deserves better, however if he wants to remain, as 3rd or 4th choice striker, then great.  You can't really blame the lad for having a problem with the amount of games he is getting atm.

What to do with the potential money we get from these guys?

Mmm, there are many options, but one thing is for certain, there is no way we need to balance the books.  Benitez brought in approx. £25M in the summer, through sales, so there is no way the net outlay from the previous transfer window needs correcting.  If anything, we should have some money left over from the previous transfer window.

We have been linked with Pandev, and this is one player I would love to see play for LFC.  He has that bit of magic we lack and has the strength of a bull, like Luis Figo.  Very hard to knock of the ball and a glorious left foot.  Mancini has also been linked and this is another player who would be an addition to our squad.  In an ideal world, I would like to see both these lads signed.  I am sure both have 18 months left on current deals so perhaps cut price fees can be agreed.

A central defender is a must and I am not sure who Benitez will line up but we can be sure he will bring somebody in.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2007, 10:37:17 PM »
What to do with the potential money we get from these guys?

Mmm, there are many options, but one thing is for certain, there is no way we need to balance the books.  Benitez brought in approx. £25M in the summer, through sales, so there is no way the net outlay from the previous transfer window needs correcting.  If anything, we should have some money left over from the previous transfer window.

we had 7 million set aside for heinze at least.

A central defender is a must and I am not sure who Benitez will line up but we can be sure he will bring somebody in.

kompany hopefully (superb player - a rolls royce)
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2007, 10:38:20 PM »
Can't see Villa spending 20m at this time, maybe in the summer, but not in the upcoming transfer window.  They haven't been the biggest spenders, even last summer when teams like Man City, West Ham etc were splashing the cash.

Can see the Carson deal getting done, because if they don't do it, someone else will come in and gazump them.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2007, 11:26:06 PM »
Kenwyne Jones?Puhllease.I can understand the fantasists talking about foreigners we will never get near but Kenwyne Jones as a Crouch replacement?If that happens Benitez really has lost the plot.Also if Crouch goes the goals apart from torres will come from  where?Old 'no goals' Kuyt?Do me a favour.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2007, 11:27:19 PM »
we had 7 million set aside for heinze at least.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2007, 11:37:35 PM »

Yeah one that's always in the garage being repaired.


Spot on ... Since the summer of 2005 (when his injury troubles started), Kompany has played in only 25 league games for Anderlecht and Hamburg (out of possible 81) ...

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #94 on: November 18, 2007, 12:12:27 AM »
Spot on ... Since the summer of 2005 (when his injury troubles started), Kompany has played in only 25 league games for Anderlecht and Hamburg (out of possible 81) ...

http://touchline.onthespot.co.uk/guardian/StatsCentre.asp?Lang=0&CTID=12&CPID=1&pStr=Player&PLID=179981&TEID=85

time will tell. sometimes though, just sometimes, injuries are genuinely injuries. 2 serious knocks I read, unrelated to each other. if it was a chronic problem like a robben or owen i'd understand the concern, but he's back and playing very well indeed as far as i'm aware, both at CB and in midfield.

but let's agree to disagree cos time will tell.
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #95 on: November 18, 2007, 12:20:52 AM »
Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch

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A £10m deal is thought to be already in place for Carson to turn his season-long loan spell at Villa Park into a permanent move while the club's manager Martin O'Neill has told Liverpool he intends to bid for Crouch. He would also cost upwards of £10m. (Upwards of £10 million. £15 million more like it! After all he is English!)

With Daniel Agger injured, although soon to return to fitness, and Sami Hyypia an unconvincing replacement, Benitez desperately needs to shore up his defence for the rest of the campaign having been prevented, by an arbitration panel, from signing Gabriel Heinze (6 goals conceeded in PL, unbeaten in the league. Hypia has been a fine replacement. And why would Benitiz nee d to desperately  shore up his defence if Hypia is the problem, Agger is returning, and the solution lies in a youth player who has played 38 games for Racing since 2005. Bollox!)

Garay, a 21-year-old and, like Heinze, Argentinian, is also likely to cost around £10m with Benitez expected to seek a buyer for John Arne Riise as he attempts to balance the books further and keep the club's American owners happy. Riise has just 18 months left on his contract and is unlikely to be offered a new deal.

It means that Liverpool could be one of the busiest clubs when the transfer window opens. It's also a clear sign that Benitez got his calculations wrong during the summer while selling two English players and buying another foreigner will only add more fuel to the growing debate over quotas – especially as the Liverpool captain, Steven Gerrard, has already expressed his concern. (What the fuck is that statement about! Seriously! Rafa got his calculations wrong. Like Parry, Gillet and Hicks didnt sanction and broker the deals. Fucking moron!)

The departure of Carson is wholly expected, given that the 22-year-old has spent virtually all of his Liverpool career on loan, including last season at Charlton Athletic, since he joined from Leeds United for £750,000 in 2005. The sale represents a tidy profit for Liverpool even if some will be disappointed Benitez never gave any indication that the highly regarded goalkeeper would be allowed to challenge Pepe Reina as the club's No 1. (Some...adequate numbers quoted there. Some...3 people is some. I dare anyone to contend that having Carson who is good, challenge Reina who is phenomenal in a time when Rafa was getting slated for rotating, and putting unnessecary rotation on the goalkeeper would have been a good idea. Seriously step up!)

No price has yet been discussed for Crouch (apart for the £10 this idiot pundit quoted above £20 mill minus £10 mill for carson leaving, wholly fuck , £10 million. If no price has been discussed then how can this guy claim that Villa will buy Crouch and Carson for £20 mill) although Villa will probably have to break their transfer record which was set only last January when they bought Ashley Young – who also made his England debut against the Austrians – from Watford for £9.65m.

Crouch has prospered since Liverpool beat West Ham to his signature two years ago with a £7m move from Southampton, winning 23 caps for England and scoring 12 goals for his country, (Purchased for £7 mill, become Liverpool's top goal scorer, and England international and this wanker adds £3 million to the value. Hasnt he heard of inflation!)

There has been some talk of friction within the Liverpool camp, and claims that Crouch has an attitude problem, but these are wide of the mark. (So why mention it?)

Benitez himself has rejected such suggestions and, even though he has used Crouch, who remains extremely popular with Liverpool fans, sparingly he said recently: "He's a nice boy, a good professional, a good players. It is clear that this team now, with four strikers, creates more competition for places, but I don't have any problems because Crouch is a good player."

It seems certain that his departure is driven mainly by economic reasons, given Liverpool's high spending under Benitez (I think there has been plenty discussion on this forum highlighting that Rafa has adequately balanced any spending. Why the fuck did we bring in Rich Americans if it wasnt to spend their money? For the benefit of their cultual experience?) , who will now use Babel more in his preferred position as a central striker rather than seek a replacement for Crouch. (What indication has there been that Rafa is going to use Babel as a striker to replace Crouch! Just because Babel keeps shooting from stupid positions rather than pass because HE thinks he is a striker doesnt mean he's gonna be one. What can Babel offer that Torres can't up front. Nothing. But Crouch can offer a different option, particularly when Liverpool need to play the long ball to break down teams)

Carson will go. That much is planned
Riise might go, but probably not until the summer.
Babel is a poor option up front, particularly for Crouch.
Hypia has been a great stand in. And a kid  as his replacement with 38 games in 3 years under his belt as replacement. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With Agger coming back. Hobbs in reserve. Bollox to the reporters reasoning.
Crouch might go, but it will be because he wants to leave, not Rafa selling him for economic reasons. And it wont be for a mere £10 mill. £15- £20 mill

I think I have ranted enough here. Apologies for the occasional swearing but the reporter of this article is a complete clampit!

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #96 on: November 18, 2007, 12:36:12 AM »
Yup, Rafa to Bayern, swap Crouch for Zat Knight or Claude Davis, sell Carson - buy Richard Wright and Emile Heskey, what else, oh yeah, new manager, we poach Roeder from Norwich. See, my crystal ball's as shit as anybody's........

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #97 on: November 18, 2007, 12:39:28 AM »
Yup, Rafa to Bayern, swap Crouch for Zat Knight or Claude Davis, sell Carson - buy Richard Wright and Emile Heskey, what else, oh yeah, new manager, we poach Roeder from Norwich. See, my crystal ball's as shit as anybody's........

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #98 on: November 18, 2007, 12:46:19 AM »
Selling Crouch would be a massive mistake.

I for one will be gutted if he leaves. I sincerely mean that, gutted.

3 of our 4 strikers are worth their place - Kuyt, i'm afraid, isn't. The guy is a total waste of space. £10m for him represents bad, bad business. £10m for Crouch? I'd say he's worth maybe a bit more, but in terms of what he offers our team, how do you explain it?

Does anyone think that since Crouch started playing [i.e. Beşiktaş], we've looked a lot better? He gives us a focus to the attack, something Kuyt can't do, because he lacks touch, skill, quick feet etc.

Sell Kuyt - don't sell Crouch - that would be a nightmare. I don't understand why Rafa would sell a player who is so valuable to the team, despite his attitude. [Not everyone can be humble Rafa...]

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #99 on: November 18, 2007, 12:50:48 AM »
Kuyt would be worth a lot more to the team if Benitez hadn't ruined him, to be fair.

He's playing with no confidence and told to do a role he's not done before.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #100 on: November 18, 2007, 12:52:15 AM »
Selling Crouch would be a massive mistake.

I for one will be gutted if he leaves. I sincerely mean that, gutted.

3 of our 4 strikers are worth their place - Kuyt, i'm afraid, isn't. The guy is a total waste of space. £10m for him represents bad, bad business. £10m for Crouch? I'd say he's worth maybe a bit more, but in terms of what he offers our team, how do you explain it?

Does anyone think that since Crouch started playing [i.e. Beşiktaş], we've looked a lot better? He gives us a focus to the attack, something Kuyt can't do, because he lacks touch, skill, quick feet etc.

Sell Kuyt - don't sell Crouch - that would be a nightmare. I don't understand why Rafa would sell a player who is so valuable to the team, despite his attitude. [Not everyone can be humble Rafa...]
I entirely agree with everything you wrote. Your last line sums up everything. Rafa clearly prioritizes 'attitude'.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #101 on: November 18, 2007, 01:01:12 AM »
I'm just not convinced that Rafa really understands or trusts forwards, they seem too individual to fit into his grand teamwork plan. Its clearly why he has so much time for Kuyt and Voronin.

nice point. I think Rafa is the new George Graham. Remember Anders Limpar on the wing, good old george hardly played him even though he terrorised defences and scored lots. In  Rafas perverted world i'm sure he wakes up with morning glory to the image of Voronin and Alan Smith leadig our team to the title....

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #102 on: November 18, 2007, 01:54:08 AM »
but the effect on each club's fans?

1. man u - we're great. the only debate we need to have is 'just how great are we?'

2. arsenal - - we're great. the only debate we need to have is 'just how great are we?'

3. us - fucking journos, what are they like? shit - do we really need to sell to buy? is rafa really under pressure? are bayern sniffing around our manager? blah blah blah.

admittedly these things go in cycles, and every club gets its fair share, but the media is feeding us a non-stop supply of shite this season.

I guess some fans get wound up with this sort of stuff. Personally, I couldn't care less about these sort of stories. The media is always going to be fickle and is always going to be looking for a story with varying degrees of truth to it. At the end of the day, if you want immunity from the media, you have to make yourself immune. As much as I hate to say, both Ferguson and Wenger have generally done that as a result of what they've achieved in the Premier League. It Benitez hangs around the Premier League for another ten years and wins the title a few times, he'll have the same of sort of media 'immunity' that Utd/Arsenal seem to enjoy. If we hadn't blown hot and cold this season, I'm sure we would have got alot more praise in the media.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #103 on: November 18, 2007, 01:58:50 AM »
I think some of you are dilusional over how good Crouch is. He has his moments where he's amazing, but overall he's very inconsistant and not a great finisher.

I'm not about to say Kuyt is a world-beater, but if we could make a nice profit on Crouch I think it'd be a worthwhile deal.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #104 on: November 18, 2007, 02:12:41 AM »
What is all this nonsense about Crouch means goals? When has he ever scored goals in the time of need? I can think of plenty times when Kuyt has stepped to the plate when a goal was needed or being chased...but nothing for Crouch...perhaps someone can enlighten me.
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #105 on: November 18, 2007, 02:20:51 AM »
Crouchie is a true footballing enigma. He can be astonishly poor as with his lack of pace, heading, and missing sitters. However, he does step up to the plate when we least expect and scores some bizarre goals which are srtaight out of the brazillian school of wonder goals. he scores goals which look logically impossible. He scores enough goals to make him a valueable player and right now i'd pick him second to torres.

Personally if we really need to make money then sell Alonso, just dont need him and he aint that good.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #106 on: November 18, 2007, 02:27:14 AM »
Selling Crouch would be a massive mistake.

I for one will be gutted if he leaves. I sincerely mean that, gutted.

3 of our 4 strikers are worth their place - Kuyt, i'm afraid, isn't. The guy is a total waste of space. £10m for him represents bad, bad business. £10m for Crouch? I'd say he's worth maybe a bit more, but in terms of what he offers our team, how do you explain it?

Does anyone think that since Crouch started playing [i.e. Beşiktaş], we've looked a lot better? He gives us a focus to the attack, something Kuyt can't do, because he lacks touch, skill, quick feet etc.

Sell Kuyt - don't sell Crouch - that would be a nightmare. I don't understand why Rafa would sell a player who is so valuable to the team, despite his attitude. [Not everyone can be humble Rafa...]

I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Kuyt's misses against Blackburn weren't as bad as Crouch's against Blackburn last season. The guy has not been as bad as you make out and Crouch is a more inconsistent finisher.

The reason we've started playing well since Beşiktaş has everything to do with the fullbacks and nothing to do with Crouch. The reason Crouch was not played when we had a rough patch was to stop the defence from having a target to hoof the ball to and force them to pass it out. It eventually worked and they finally got the message (moreso when we got progressive fullbacks who were good offensively and defensively)

Not everyone can be humble? If King Kenny can do it then who on earth does Crouch think he is? He certainly ain't Ronaldinho neither is he close to being the best in the world. If he got an attitude problem, get rid. After all, no one is bigger than the team.
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #107 on: November 18, 2007, 02:33:26 AM »
Personally if we really need to make money then sell Alonso, just dont need him and he aint that good.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #108 on: November 18, 2007, 02:57:07 AM »
20 mil for 2 england internationals isn't that bad a piece of business for Villa, good for us too.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2007, 03:15:50 AM »
IF this is true it doesn't make any sense to me. Actually, to be honest, perhaps it does, all too much.

Rafa doesn't rate Crouch too much and the owners are tightening their financial belts...just what we need.

Crouch is more effective than Voronin or Kuyt in terms of goal scoring though I acknowledge the others have other attributes but, overall, I rate Crouch second only to Torres in our setup. Presumably Rafa doesn't agree.

But what I can't understand is why we would need to sell now after making such a big effort to build up the squad over the last two years.

What if we sustain injuries or suspensions? We'll be scraping the barrel for goals again.

Reina is great but he could break a leg tomorrow...WTF then? I don't care about Carson being pissed off, he's under contract and we should keep him.

This is all madness if you ask me.

Again, IF the article is true then we clearly have some financial issues and....


that would not surprise me too much. A stadium that has leaped up nearly 150 million in costs, the US owners struggling to refinance the loan at favorable rates, our basic underlying ongoing loss-making (as far as I know we haven't suddenly started making money, have we? we lost 40 million last year I think. Perhaps Tom and Jerry have decided to tighten the belts?) and it all looks pretty concerning.
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2007, 03:20:42 AM »
:lmao

You're right about one thing, this is indeed madness.
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2007, 03:26:17 AM »
I think if Crouch goes, we may see a bit more of 4-3-3, with Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano all in the team at the same time. And two of Pennant, Babel, Kewell, Bennayoun, Voronin or Kuyt buzzing around Torres.

I'd love to see that.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2007, 04:20:38 AM »
:lmao

You're right about one thing, this is indeed madness.

may i second that.....some of the worst posts ever in this thread......

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2007, 04:41:13 AM »
I don't think we'll sell Crouch. He's been in good form recently and would be an asset to any team. In fact, I don't think our strikeforce will change until the summer at least.

I think we might sell Carson. We paid 6m for Reina and could sell Carson for 10m? Not too hard a decision to make IMO. Carson is a fine keeper but he'll never be as good as Pepe.

The only area we might need cover for is central defence. We are doing quite well in defence (even through Agger's absence), but we will eventually need to sign a long-term replacement for Hypia.








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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2007, 05:55:37 AM »
During the Holland game last night Babel came on the last 10 minutes and went straight upfront with Kuyt, the dutch commentator said Babel will now be happy playing in this position regulary for Liverpool with Crouch leaving.

So he must have heard something from either Babel or Kuyt.

Make what you will from the comment I thought it was weird, this commentator isnt like Andy Gray or Shrieves he is with the dutch squad all the time.


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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #115 on: November 18, 2007, 05:58:23 AM »
During the Holland game last night Babel came on the last 10 minutes and went straight upfront with Kuyt, the dutch commentator said Babel will now be happy playing in this position regulary for Liverpool with Crouch leaving.

So he must have heard something from either Babel or Kuyt.

Make what you will from the comment I thought it was weird, this commentator isnt like Andy Gray or Shrieves he is with the dutch squad all the time.



Hmm. How did Babel and Kuyt do up front together anyway?
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #116 on: November 18, 2007, 06:03:42 AM »
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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #117 on: November 18, 2007, 06:30:34 AM »
Hmm. How did Babel and Kuyt do up front together anyway?

Babel only played ten minutes Kuyt came on for Van Nistlerooi at half time done well playing in his proper position in the box and not running around the midfield like a headless chicken.

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #118 on: November 18, 2007, 06:47:56 AM »
To topic:

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Re: Independent: "Villa ready to offer £20m for Carson and Crouch"
« Reply #119 on: November 18, 2007, 07:01:24 AM »
To topic:

Bite fingers, hands and elbows off.

Bit hasty. 25mill I'd start thinking about it. If Darren Bent alone went for 18, 20 for the pair is bollocks.
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