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The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« on: October 24, 2007, 09:26:21 AM »
The face of football is changing, and has been changing for years, ever since the money men got involved and sold our game to a wider audience. It's had it's benefits, but are things going too far?

Is this the time that our game goes global, too global, and takes away everything that we love about the game and it's roots?

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Economist Conferences in collaboration with the NFL have managed to pull together a star-studded group of global sports business figures in London for an event to discuss the key issues driving the development of the global sports industry.


‘Sport 2020: The Changing Face of the Global Sports Industry’, will be held at the Landmark Hotel in London on October 25th 2007.


The Wembley game on Sunday October 28th will match the Miami Dolphins against the New York Giants in the first competitive NFL game to be staged outside of North America, launching the league’s International Series of regular-season games.


Speakers for Sport 2020 on October 25th include many of the world’s most influential sports figures:


Koos Bekker, Chief Executive, Naspers
George Bodenheimer, Co-Chairman, Disney Media Networks, President ESPN, Inc. and ABC Sports, Chairman, ESPN Board of Directors
Dmitry Chernyshenko, CEO, Sochi 2014 Bid Committee
Paul Deighton, CEO, London Organising Committee of the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games
Dick Ebersol, Chairman, NBC Universal Sports and Olympics, Executive Producer, “NBC Sunday Night Football”
George Gillett Jr, Owner, Montreal Canadiens (National Hockey League), Joint Owner, Liverpool FC (English Premier League), Owner, Evernham Motorsports NASCAR Team
Roger Goodell, Commissioner, National Football League
Ma Guoli, Chief Operation Officer, Beijing Olympic Broadcasting
Tom Hicks, Owner and Joint Owner, Texas Rangers (Major League Baseball), Dallas Stars (National Hockey League), Mesquite Championship Rodeo, Liverpool FC (English Premier League).
Jerry Jones, Owner, President and General Manager, Dallas Cowboys (National Football League), Owner, Dallas Desperados (Arena Football League)
Danny Jordaan, CEO, 2010 FIFA World Cup Organising Committee South Africa
Robert Kraft, Owner, New England Patriots (National Football League) and New England Revolution (Major League Soccer), Founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, The Kraft Group
Stan Kroenke, Co-Owner, St Louis Rams (National Football League), Owner, Denver Nuggets (National Basketball Association), Colorado Avalanche (National Hockey League) and Colorado Rapids (Major League Soccer)
Michael Lynch, Senior Vice-president, Partnership Marketing, Visa US
Roger Mosey, Director of Sport, BBC
Ian Ritchie, CEO, All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club
Digvijay Singh, CEO, Nimbus Sports International
Daniel Snyder, Owner and Chairman of the Board, Washington Redskins (National Football League) and Six Flags
Malcolm Speed, CEO, International Cricket Council, Senior Executive, European Football Club
Jonathan Tisch, Treasurer, New York Giants (National Football League), Co-Chairman of the Board, a member of the Office of the President, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Loews Hotels, Loews Corporation
Peter Kenyon, Chief Executive of Chelsea Football Club



“Sport is not only an ever bigger industry, it is increasingly global,” said Daniel Franklin, Executive Editor of The Economist. “By bringing industry leaders together, Sport 2020 provides a forum for top-level debate and insight into successful strategies for the future.”


Attendees at the event will include Premier League football team owners, NFL team owners, leading industry experts and key executives from leading sponsors of sport, offering a unique opportunity to gain a clear understanding of the drivers of success.


“As the premier sports organization in the United States, the NFL is pleased to take part in what we believe is an unprecedented gathering of global sports leaders,” said Mark Waller, NFL senior vice president of International. “We are eager to engage in the debate and discussion about the future of global sport. We want to learn from our colleagues across the industry as well as have our international associates hear more about what makes NFL football the number one sport in the U.S.”



Our very own Gillett and Hicks will be attendance, along with the Glazier's, Peter Kenyon and all the yankee doodles......

Liverpool v Man Utd, 11am kick off, New York City?


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# What are the emerging strategies and prospects for the global sports industry?

# How do sports leagues and entities harmonize the demands of sport and business?

# What are the new trends in global ownership and what do they mean for sports?

# What is fuelling the increase in cross-ownership, and the purchasing of multiple sports brands by wealthy individuals?

# How can sport successfully harness the power of digital media to drive growth and attract fans?

# How will the changing viewing habits of the global fan impact the sport marketplace?

# How can sport be an effective catalyst for social and economic development?

# How can sport over-deliver by bringing optimal value to its corporate partners?


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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 09:29:23 AM »
American sports have always been money orientated, whilst it happens to our game on a Level (With TV rights, shirt sales) we'll never see anything like that... and thank god :D
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 09:39:15 AM »
*sticks fingers in ears*

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 09:43:56 AM »
American sports have always been money orientated, whilst it happens to our game on a Level (With TV rights, shirt sales) we'll never see anything like that... and thank god :D

Never say never, as the way things have changed in the past 15 years, anything can happen....
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 09:45:48 AM »
Never say never, as the way things have changed in the past 15 years, anything can happen....

Can you see fans of any English team letting their team play in yankville? No way lol. At the most and still very unlikely is something like America hosting Champions League final or something.
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 09:48:05 AM »
Can you see fans of any English team letting their team play in yankville? No way lol. At the most and still very unlikely is something like America hosting Champions League final or something.

Could you see the fans of a London club letting their club be relocated to Milton Keynes?

20 years ago, could you see pretty much every top flight game being televised and hardly any 3pm saturday kick offs?

Could you see the huge rise in popularity of the game worldwide?

No

And these vultures are out to milk that popularity for their own wealth. I'm scared.
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 09:52:52 AM »
The naivety of some on here is astonishing!  If they want it, they will get it.  Do you think the United States gets fair dibs on the Olympics?  Personally, my worry here is not a Liverpool V Man Utd league match or the FA Cup final being played in America but those games could well be played in the Far East for instance where our clubs have a massive fan base.  I wouldn't be so complacent as to think we will be playing all our domestic games at Anfield, or even in Europe for that matter.  So for all those of you who think the huge influx of money is a good thing for football (we can sign better players, games kick-off at my convenience etc), let this early warning shot be just that.  Unless we all stick together here and keep on our toes, I can definitely see this happening in the next 3-5 years. 
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 09:54:30 AM »
It does make you wonder.... maybe one day the CL would include Major League teams or something stupid like that

I can definitely see this happening in the next 3-5 years. 

Hmmmm 10-20 years maybe....
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 10:01:14 AM »
i'm not scared its already happend to a large degree. i think we've always had eyes on the way americans run sports. Even shankly had a certain admiration for how things were done over there - a professionalism and efficiency. From the 70's and the hooliganism - i think our government have cast eyes over to america in terms of stadiums, corp hosp, seating. And as money seems to be the key to success - from uniteds plc's thru to the cash cow of abramovich we've all looked towards getting even bigger money men in to compete as opposed to the local businessman done gud.

of course there's always clubs like barca - with a degree of fan control and success on and off the field.

i think the key is to create a happy medium - to try and accomadate all who happen to want to watch/get involved in this game - i'm sure there's room for us all.

that or have a semi professional game - like hurling or create your own fcum.

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2007, 10:03:29 AM »
Could you see the fans of a London club letting their club be relocated to Milton Keynes?

20 years ago, could you see pretty much every top flight game being televised and hardly any 3pm saturday kick offs?

Could you see the huge rise in popularity of the game worldwide?

No

And these vultures are out to milk that popularity for their own wealth. I'm scared.

And the people that will make the decisions are the same that pulls their teams halfway around the world to play in pre-season friendlies or during international breaks.

From a strictly commercial/business point of view, its not hard to argue why a liverpool-united game could be played in tokyo or new york
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2007, 10:10:30 AM »
Hmmmm 10-20 years maybe....

Could be sooner than that.  Could you have imagined a football team being ordered by their own government not to defend a trophy but to go instead and play a tournament in South-East Asia to help their Olympic bid?  Yet it happened.  I can see the Government ordering a team, maybe more, to play "domestic" or "European" games outside of the UK to help with a World Cup bid, for instance. 
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2007, 10:12:06 AM »
its no laughing matter, the way things are going we could very easily see a CL Final in the US, if the money's right UEFA will look at it, money talks and those yanks have it in bucket loads.  Like someone said above lets not get complacent about this, keep on your toes and make sure none of the above mentioned happens.......Period!!!!!!
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 10:12:18 AM »
From a strictly commercial/business point of view, its not hard to argue why a liverpool-united game could be played in tokyo or new york

As someone else said, it's therefore up to the rest of us to make sure it doesn't happen. Personally I think it would be club suicide if it ever happened as every fucker who traipses halfway round europe to aways, goes to Middlesbrough on a cold November evening etc, would turn round and say :upyours to the club. Rightly so, thus sounding the death knoll for the club. Of course there would be people to take their places but the heart and soul of the club would be gone and that is something that ultimately the club cannot afford to happen. (hopefully).
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2007, 10:15:43 AM »
You could already end up with a Liverpool vs Man U game played in the CL final in Turkey, or some other country just as far away: we played Portsmouth in the Far East....

If the Champions League became a 'World Champions' cup, then you could have a game in the US in that format.

Football is, and always has been a global game.  The likelihood of it expanding globally is inevitable.  The possibility of playing US sides is likely to happen in the next 20 years....just as it was extremely unusual to play Ajacks - as we used to pronounce it - 40 years ago.

Times move on, the game with always adapt and survive.  At one point, the leagues were regional.  The game has expanded from it's very inception.  That will not change.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 10:15:49 AM »
its no laughing matter, the way things are going we could very easily see a CL Final in the US, if the money's right UEFA will look at it, money talks and those yanks have it in bucket loads.  Like someone said above lets not get complacent about this, keep on your toes and make sure none of the above mentioned happens.......Period!!!!!!

Would that be so bad though?  The last two CL finals I've been to have been awful to get to.  At least there are plentiful and cheap flights to the US, loads of accommodation and easy transportation.  You know, I'm starting to talk myself round to this now! 
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2007, 10:17:54 AM »
Personally I think it would be club suicide if it ever happened as every fucker who traipses halfway round europe to aways, goes to Middlesbrough on a cold November evening etc,

And there's another one!  You can play our games against Middlesbrough (and Newcastle for that matter) in Outer Mongolia as far as I'm concerned (and the home games remain at Anfield).  Two veritable shit-holes where we always end up disappointed. 
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2007, 10:20:59 AM »
You could already end up with a Liverpool vs Man U game played in the CL final in Turkey, or some other country just as far away: we played Portsmouth in the Far East....

If the Champions League became a 'World Champions' cup, then you could have a game in the US in that format.

Football is, and always has been a global game.  The likelihood of it expanding globally is inevitable.  The possibility of playing US sides is likely to happen in the next 20 years....just as it was extremely unusual to play Ajacks - as we used to pronounce it - 40 years ago.

Times move on, the game with always adapt and survive.  At one point, the leagues were regional.  The game has expanded from it's very inception.  That will not change.

But the clubs have always remained engrained in their local communities, which is what football is all about, and some people forget at times.

When "home" games start being played away from those communities, football is finished as we all know and love it. The Milton Keynes situation is one that still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. What a souless club that now is. Take a club away from it's soul and community, and it's finished. It's no longer a football club, it's a franchise, a toy, a hobby.

Football clubs are deeply engrained in the society around the area. Always have been. And while the fanbase of certain clubs have become more global, the roots of the clubs have always remained within them communities.

The day that changes, I'm off. As we'll no longer be Liverpool Football Club. And I have huge respect for the AFC Wimbledon lads for doing what they did.
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2007, 10:23:12 AM »
After No.5 I said I didn't care if we never won another game. I was wrong.

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2007, 10:23:24 AM »
The irony being that the main chance of football being kept semi-decent is that it is actually a pretty boring game by definition..
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2007, 10:23:55 AM »
But the clubs have always remained engrained in their local communities, which is what football is all about, and some people forget at times.

When "home" games start being played away from those communities, football is finished as we all know and love it. The Milton Keynes situation is one that still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. What a souless club that now is. Take a club away from it's soul and community, and it's finished. It's no longer a football club, it's a franchise, a toy, a hobby.

Football clubs are deeply engrained in the society around the area. Always have been. And while the fanbase of certain clubs have become more global, the roots of the clubs have always remained within them communities.

The day that changes, I'm off. As we'll no longer be Liverpool Football Club. And I have huge respect for the AFC Wimbledon lads for doing what they did.

I said nothing in my post about home games.  ???

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2007, 10:27:58 AM »
Could you see the fans of a London club letting their club be relocated to Milton Keynes?

20 years ago, could you see pretty much every top flight game being televised and hardly any 3pm saturday kick offs?

Could you see the huge rise in popularity of the game worldwide?

No

And these vultures are out to milk that popularity for their own wealth. I'm scared.

So televised games and the rise in popularity are bad things now? The fact football is flurishing in Asia, Africa and other regions rather then just Europe and South America?

Too many people stuck in the past and sound like moaning old men. The games come leaps and bounds since 20 years ago and for the better as well.

Football is already a bloody global sport, it is THE global sport. The original story here comes from American Football trying to globalise because no one gives 2 shits about it.
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2007, 10:43:04 AM »
So televised games and the rise in popularity are bad things now? The fact football is flurishing in Asia, Africa and other regions rather then just Europe and South America?

In many ways yes.

Football is already a bloody global sport, it is THE global sport. The original story here comes from American Football trying to globalise because no one gives 2 shits about it.

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2007, 10:46:52 AM »

Football is already a bloody global sport, it is THE global sport. The original story here comes from American Football trying to globalise because no one (outside of America) gives 2 shits about it.

True. And it will take more than 3 - 5 years for it to become anything like established here. The british culture/weather/mentality/state of stadiums does not lend itself to 4 hour stretches of interupted/sporadic entertainment. American football will remain a niche sport outside of America for the forseable I think.

As for the other side of the coin. Does anyone really think that clubs owners would give a toss if they had to play a few big games away in Asia/Africa/USA/Canada as long as the stadium was full and they were getting a slice of the pie from a new market and corresponding TV rights.

Also, do you think the players would give a toss? I personally think they would, but money would alleviate any problems they have.

Interesting times ahead for a game that has been ripped from its roots in the last 10 years already.
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2007, 10:58:43 AM »
It's only £2973.50 per person. Why don't we all go?
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2007, 10:59:19 AM »
How do you "reclaim" a game that has sold its soul to the money men?

How do you go back to the "Good old days" of Eleven Local lads playing for the team, everyone walking to the match, riot police outside and fences in?

Even in the good old days, things weren't as good as we remember them - simple as.  We make a choice, either we deal with the fact that the game needs us fans less and less and we are just "window dressing" - but continue to support them because it is what we have always done - or -

We stop supporting them all together for selling her soul to the painted whore that is NewsCorp, form an AFC Wimbledon like club and satisfy ourselves that whilst we might no longer be going to the Camp Nou, we do at least have "our" club back.

I'm sorry to be so negative, but that is the way it is.  I love our Club, but it just is not our club any longer.  It guts me, but I can't turn off my love of Liverpool like a tap.  And I'll keep forking over the beer tokens to see them play.

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2007, 10:59:25 AM »
In many ways yes.

Does the average Miami Dolphins season ticket holder agree with you?

And the abundance of racism and riots in the English game (near to any way), guess thats a bad thing as well. ;)

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2007, 11:01:40 AM »
Imo, this is about American greed spreading eastwards rather than exporting 'soccer' over to where our forefathers landed 400 years ago.

American sports, are on the whole insular to the continent of North America and Canada (a sweeping generalisation, but you get what I mean), the demand to American sports operators is to enhance the reputation of their sports globally.

I understand that in small pockets on the world map, American sports are massive - Basketball in China, Baseball in Japan, but the power to generate large financial revenues comes from the rich states of Europe where sport for many is an all-consuming passion, where currently soccer is the major player.

For me, this meeting is just another desperate step by the US Media networks to try and crack Europe. But, BHB, I think our game is in safe-ish hands. We've had NFL Europe for some years now, and that's about as popular as some one rubbing shit into your face. Basketball is popular, but it doesn't fight for our affections the way soccer does. There are very few provisions for Ice Hockey players in the UK (certainly not enough to make it a national sport), and have cricket instead of Baseball.

Because, you see, it all comes down to education. We are taught sports like rugby and football and cricket in school, and the only American sport we play is a little bit of basketball when the tennis courts are flooded. We understand the rules of the games we play, the Americans likewise.

These fins gentlemen can do all they like to 'monitor our viewing habits' and pretend that they're all about social and economic development, but in Europe they will continue to struggle  like they have done for the last 30 years.

It's the reason why the baseball is stuck on Five with viewing figures in the low hundred thousands, and the Premiership matches are watched by, well, everyone.

For the CEO's of those multinational conglomerates soccer is the curates egg - it has the potential to be so lucrative for them, however it's equilibrium is so finely tuned that any small change will cause huge upheavals.

If they push the European fans away they push away the biggest source of money, and if they did, there sure as hell aren't enough fans in the US to keep them in Bentleys and racehorses.

****Postscript******************

If this is in anyway soothing for you let it be so:

I'm a journalist and was thinking about going to work in the states for a couple of years. At the interview I did a voice test.

After it they said - Wow, good media voice. But we have a problem?

What's that I said?

We really need soccer professionals for this?

I said that I've worked in football for five years blah blah blah

And they turned to me and said, ah but that's not soccer is it - the advert specifically said soccer.......... Heaven help us all.
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2007, 11:06:43 AM »
soccer?



*EDIT*  read the whole post now ;)
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2007, 11:16:54 AM »
Im more concerned about the football we play. If anything will make me give up the sports its our brilliant pass and move exciting football.

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2007, 11:17:29 AM »
Sorry - should have made that a bit clearer (if it's my post you were talking about :p) - It's bloody frustrating to keep writing british football and american football, so I just lumped for soccer... ;D
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2007, 11:19:04 AM »

Liverpool v Man Utd, 11am kick off, New York City?

Nah, I posted this yesterday and nobody seems to give a shit so fuck 'em, they'll end up with the football they deserve.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=196989.0

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2007, 11:22:02 AM »
Nah, I posted this yesterday and nobody seems to give a shit so fuck 'em, they'll end up with the football they deserve.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=196989.0

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2007, 11:34:10 AM »
didnt NHL have its premiere in london?
thank fuck my team is piss poor. i feel for you though, football has lost much of its soul and it hurts.

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2007, 11:37:04 AM »
How do you "reclaim" a game that has sold its soul to the money men?

How do you go back to the "Good old days" of Eleven Local lads playing for the team, everyone walking to the match, riot police outside and fences in?

Even in the good old days, things weren't as good as we remember them - simple as.

Everyone forgets Liverpool's first ever side was made up of eleven local lads....from Scotland.

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2007, 11:37:33 AM »
I doubt if it will happen beyond the exhibition tournaments we see now.

Football will never take off in the states, there aren't enough ad breaks for the tv companies to get interested.

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2007, 11:39:52 AM »
didnt NHL have its premiere in london?
thank fuck my team is piss poor. i feel for you though, football has lost much of its soul and it hurts.

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2007, 11:46:11 AM »
BHB & Cornelius are both right in their posts on this in the last couple of days.

I've been thinking on this last night and the only people I can think who will lose out here are the fans - but when do the FA, the Premier League or even our club do anything for us?

If there was ever deemed to be enough interest for this to happen then all the parties involved would see the pound (or dollar) signs and do it. 

Other sports already have meaningful matches played in other countries, such as the NFL, NHL & Rugby League. Football has already started to move towards it with all the pre-season competitions being played in Asia or America these days.

I'm not saying it'll happen every week but I certainly think there will be occasions in the future when this happens.

People who can't see this as a possibility are, IMO, being short sighted.
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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2007, 11:49:52 AM »
Yeah fuck em all coz your fellow reds don't agree with your opinion? Sheez YNWA indeed.
??? Fucking hell. Yes. Anyone who wants to see Liverpool v United in the US or Thailand can walk alone as far as I'm concerned. And apart from americans or thais, who is going to disagree with that?

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2007, 11:57:43 AM »
??? Fucking hell. Yes. Anyone who wants to see Liverpool v United in the US or Thailand can walk alone as far as I'm concerned. And apart from americans or thais, who is going to disagree with that?

Well - Not me.  But guess what.  If the money is there to make it happen, then happen it will.  And there is fuck all you or I or any of the other 40 odd thousand match going regulars can do about it.

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Re: The Globalisation / Death of OUR game?
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2007, 12:00:55 PM »
Well - Not me.  But guess what.  If the money is there to make it happen, then happen it will.  And there is fuck all you or I or any of the other 40 odd thousand match going regulars can do about it.


Yes there is - we stop going.

If it is proposed at anytime, we oppose it, in style. Not the same 200 that can be arsed to get off their arses, everyone, the moaners, the wools, the scouse lazy arses, everyone, opposes it and fights it.

If they carry on regardless, we stop going.

The lesson will soon be learnt.

And the same goes for any club that attempts it. Chelsea or United try and do something similar, I;d be right behind their fans in support against it.

Defending OUR game and everything it stands for.

I can't stand this "what can we do" attitude.
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