Author Topic: Bruce Springsteen  (Read 63742 times)

Offline Seebab

  • hit that post. We winced.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,467
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1480 on: February 17, 2012, 10:57:00 PM »
Been listening to Tunnel of Love recently. It's an album that seems to get quite a bit of praise whenever conversations turn to Bruce. Just can't see the attraction myself. Not saying it's his worst or anything, but aside from maybe Brilliant Disguise there's no real stand out track in my opinion. Anyone here explain what it is exactly they like about it?

This is one for Timbo to answer since it's one of his favourites I think.

Personally, I'm still waiting for the album to 'click' for me. Brilliant Disguise is superb and I do like Tunnel of Love, Cautious Man and Valentine's day but I still can't really get into the rest of the songs, which is a shame because so many people rate that album.
Some folks are born into a good life
Other folks get it anyway anyhow

Offline Carras Left Foot

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,127
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1481 on: February 18, 2012, 01:50:41 PM »
Love Ain't Got You, Spare Parts, Tougher Than The Rest, Brilliant Disguise and Tunnel of Love.

The Tunnel of Love Express Tour must rank with his best, too. Behind the Darkness and River tours anyway.

Online Trabolgan

  • Main Stander
  • **
  • Posts: 240
  • "For The Honour"
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1482 on: February 18, 2012, 02:38:20 PM »
For The Honour

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1483 on: February 19, 2012, 09:17:03 AM »
From this little spiel it sounds like we could be in for a treat. Sounds like Bruce had his rottweiler teeth in when he wrote this one!!

 ;D


PARIS (AFP) - Bankers, developers and deregulators come in for one of the fiercest lashings in the history of mainstream rock next month when Bruce Springsteen issues an album that he admits seethes with anger. "Wrecking Ball", presented to journalists in Paris on Thursday ahead of release on March 6 and a US and European tour, is a tableau of the American Dream that has gone horribly wrong. Anger at unfettered greed, sympathy for the poor and the unemployed, and gospel-style appeals for hope are the emotional threads that run through the 17th studio album in Springsteen's 38-year career. Springsteen said America had become a society where "people were locked into the strata under which they were born".

 "We've destroyed the idea of an equal playing field," he said. "(...) That's a big promise that's been broken. There's a critical mass point where a society collapses, and you can't have a civilisation with a society that's as factionalised as that."

 The 11-track album kicks off with the already-released "We Take Care of Our Own", which contrasts glib patriotic slogans with the dour reality for Americans fighting to keep a job or save their homes from foreclosure. Other tracks pour bile over the "robber barons" of the financial system and wave an angry fist at anonymous corporations, able to destroy a town without a shot being fired. "The banker man grows fat / The working man grows thin / It's all happened before and it will happen again," says "Jack of All Trades", which adds, "If I had me a gun / I'd find the bastards and shoot 'em on sight."

Springsteen said the album was triggered by the 2008 financial crisis, which he said was a culmination of three decades of deregulation and unbridled profiteering.

Until the Occupy Wall Street movement began last year, no-one was even deemed accountable for the disaster, he said. "A basic theft had occurred that struck the heart of just what the entire American idea was about, really. It was a complete disregard of history, of context, of community, and all about, 'what can I get today?'.

 "So it was an enormous faultline that cracked the American system wide open, and its repercussions were really just beginning to really be felt," he said. Springsteen said he had always had a close interest in inequality and unfairness in America and hit at those who chose to misinterpret his lyrics as unpatriotic, as happened in the 1984 classic "Born in the USA". "There is a feeling of patriotism underneath (...) in my best music, but at the same time, it's a very critical, questioning, often angry sort of patriotism," he said. "That's not something that I'm prepared to give up for fear that someone might simplify what I'm saying." He added: "My work has always been about judging the distance between American reality and the American dream. How far is that at any given moment?" he said.

 The first part of the album -- "very angry, particularly", said Springsteen -- cedes to songs that have an almost biblical feel in their longing for hope, solidarity and salvation.

Asked about this, Springsteen referred to a working-class Catholic childhood in New Jersey, where he lived next door to a church. "I got completely brainwashed as a child with Catholicism," he said. "(...) It's given me a very active sense of spiritual life -- and made it very difficult sexually," he quipped.

In musical terms, the album borrows on folk, gospel and 1930s recession songs for what Springsteen described as "historical resonances" to convey social themes. One of the strongest tracks is "Land of Hope and Dreams", an anthem that feels rooted in the "Born to Run" album that propelled Springsteen to stardom in 1975. It notably features the blasting saxophone of Clarence Clemons, aka "The Big Man", a close friend of Springsteen who died last year from complications of a stroke. Clemons' nephew, Jake Clemons, has been rostered to play sax on the upcoming tour, opening in Atlanta on Saturday. "Losing Clarence is like losing something elemental. It's like losing the rain, you know, or air," Springsteen said.

"That's a part of life. The currents of life affect even the dream world of popular music. There's no escape."

 
Steve Van Zandt:
"I'm going to let him talk about it but, basically, I will tell you this: I love the album. I just absolutely love it, I think you're going to love it and I think everybody else is too. The fact that a guy at his level of success, at his age, is still making records this vital and this relevant and this good, makes me just doubly proud to be his friend. I would love him anyway as a friend if he wasn't doing anything, but it really make me particularly proud to know him, that he would be this engaged, doing something this wonderful at this stage in the game."

Said long-time manager Jon Landau, "Bruce has dug down as deep as he can to come up with this vision of modern life. The lyrics tell a story you can't hear anywhere else and the music is his most innovative of recent years. The writing is some of the best of his career and both veteran fans and those who are new to Bruce will find much to love on 'Wrecking Ball.'

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1484 on: February 19, 2012, 09:29:30 AM »
This is one for Timbo to answer since it's one of his favourites I think.

Personally, I'm still waiting for the album to 'click' for me. Brilliant Disguise is superb and I do like Tunnel of Love, Cautious Man and Valentine's day but I still can't really get into the rest of the songs, which is a shame because so many people rate that album.

In brief, if you're looking for stand out tracks then you'll be disappointed . Other than Brill disguise, Tougher and possibly the title track, ToL is not that sort of album. It's sparse. low key but it's that sparseness that works for me. It's sort of halfway between nebraska and his more exhuberant stuff. A sort of halfway house that really works for me. If you take out I Ain't Got you - musically rather than lyrically - and Spare parts - lyrically rather than musically - I see the album very much as an entity that portrays the Bruce's relationship problems at the time. His initial attraction to his wife, his disillusionment at the rapid disintegration of that relationship, the betrayals and the subsequent realisation of his attraction to patti. It's jumbled. It doesn't run chronologically but for me it succeeds beautifully in capturing the essence of what went on with him and his relationships. Plus I love every track, the lower key ones such as valentine, walk like a man and One step up just as much as the more prominent ones. 

 :)

One other point i'd make. The album certainly didn't work in the stadium concert venues. It would I'm sure have worked in the more intimate venues in which he did the Tom Joad and devils tours.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2012, 10:26:18 AM by Timbo's Goals »

Offline Carras Left Foot

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,127
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1485 on: February 20, 2012, 01:38:27 PM »
The album has leaked... am I allowed to post a link to it on here? If not, PM me or have a scout round; the links should be everywhere.

Offline Jersey

  • Kopite
  • ****
  • Posts: 814
  • Belgian Red
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1486 on: February 20, 2012, 02:18:25 PM »
Holy crap, I really like it, wasn't expecting this :o
No retreat baby, no surrender

Offline Nick110581

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 7,719
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1487 on: February 20, 2012, 04:44:00 PM »
The album has leaked... am I allowed to post a link to it on here? If not, PM me or have a scout round; the links should be everywhere.

Holy fuck.

Is it good?
No, jazz. You fear jazz. You fear the lack of rules, the lack of boundaries. Oh look, it's a fence. But, no, it's soft.

Offline Carras Left Foot

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,127
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1488 on: February 20, 2012, 04:47:01 PM »
Holy fuck.

Is it good?

Decent I'd say. I'm not really a big fan of the Seegar sound and that's apparent throughout most of the album.

My favourite tracks are We Take Care Of Our Own, Land Of Hope and Dreams and Wrecking Ball - coincidentally the 3 most E-Street sounding.

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1489 on: February 23, 2012, 11:15:04 AM »
This is one for Timbo to answer since it's one of his favourites I think.

Personally, I'm still waiting for the album to 'click' for me. Brilliant Disguise is superb and I do like Tunnel of Love, Cautious Man and Valentine's day but I still can't really get into the rest of the songs, which is a shame because so many people rate that album.

Here below is an intersting take on the subjuct of T0L.

Coincidentally the writer also cites Blood on the Tracks with which I always compare ToL and which was my favourite of its type until Bruce ousted him on that score with ToL.

 :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/aug/31/tunnel-love-bruce-springsteen
« Last Edit: February 23, 2012, 11:53:33 AM by Timbo's Goals »

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1490 on: February 23, 2012, 11:17:59 AM »
Decent I'd say. I'm not really a big fan of the Seegar sound and that's apparent throughout most of the album.

My favourite tracks are We Take Care Of Our Own, Land Of Hope and Dreams and Wrecking Ball - coincidentally the 3 most E-Street sounding.

I've heard 5 tracks now. Certainly sounds great and really vibrant . As you say the Irish/Appalachian sound is very prominent. Initially strikes me as more suited to a concert/live setting than a concerted listen. best reserve judgement until I get the album.

Offline Strummer77

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,459
  • @AlexDavis90
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1491 on: February 23, 2012, 11:42:29 AM »
Really good. I really like it. Miles better than Working on a Dream.

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1492 on: February 23, 2012, 04:33:45 PM »

Offline Bennekov

  • McManaman (doo doooby doo doo!)
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,317
  • You'll see it when you believe it!
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1493 on: February 26, 2012, 09:58:20 PM »
I've been refurbishing my office this weekend and decided to spend some quality time with Mr. Springsteen. Been listening to Born to Run, Wild, Innocent etc and Greetings etc. Hadn't been listening to him for a while. Now I remember why I've been loving him ever since I first heard of him at age 9 back in the very early eighties.

I'm really looking forward to the new album... :thumbup
I use body glide, find it much better than Vaseline

Most of your eyes are about as much use as Stevie Wonders binoculars....

Even your ja ps eye is a busted flush

Offline itsgunnabebarnes!

  • hard and gagging
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,260
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1494 on: February 27, 2012, 11:32:34 AM »
Had one listen to the new album and first thoughts are its not for me. The lyrics seem good and powerful, its just the style of music is not me. It may grow on me though as all his records do.
'Tramps like us, baby we were born to run!'

Offline omerta

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,206
  • YNWA
    • radiofc.com
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1495 on: February 27, 2012, 02:05:21 PM »
In brief, if you're looking for stand out tracks then you'll be disappointed . Other than Brill disguise, Tougher and possibly the title track, ToL is not that sort of album. It's sparse. low key but it's that sparseness that works for me. It's sort of halfway between nebraska and his more exhuberant stuff. A sort of halfway house that really works for me. If you take out I Ain't Got you - musically rather than lyrically - and Spare parts - lyrically rather than musically - I see the album very much as an entity that portrays the Bruce's relationship problems at the time. His initial attraction to his wife, his disillusionment at the rapid disintegration of that relationship, the betrayals and the subsequent realisation of his attraction to patti. It's jumbled. It doesn't run chronologically but for me it succeeds beautifully in capturing the essence of what went on with him and his relationships. Plus I love every track, the lower key ones such as valentine, walk like a man and One step up just as much as the more prominent ones. 

 :)

One other point i'd make. The album certainly didn't work in the stadium concert venues. It would I'm sure have worked in the more intimate venues in which he did the Tom Joad and devils tours.
Listening to this fantastic album again now after reading this.  Perfectly summed up Timbo.  I remember listening to it when it was released (I was 11) and thinking it was really good but there's a danger the synth sounds will get really dated - they did but a bit like Neil Young and Leonard Cohen's synth tinged 80s efforts there's a beauty in the innocence of their attempts to embrace technology they (or their producers) must've felt was needed in order to remain relevant in the music market of the time...
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it"  George Bernard Shaw

radiofc.com | last.fm | soundcloud | @radiofc


Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1497 on: March 1, 2012, 06:57:19 PM »
Review by a fellow who's a huge fan of THE BAND like myself.

I pray it's as good as he seems to think. He's been around the block has Pete Stone Brown and has worked with many fine acts so his words are certainly not to be taken lightly.

Springsteen’s Wrecking Ball
by PETER STONE BROWN
In 1944, writing a script for a radio show Woody Guthrie wrote:

“I hate a song that makes you think that you are not any good.  I hate a song that makes you think that you are just born to lose.  Bound to lose.  No good to nobody.  No good for nothing.  Because you are too old or too young or too fat or too slim too ugly or too this or too that.  Songs that run you down or poke fun at you on account of your bad luck or hard traveling.  I am out to fight those songs to my very last breath of air and my last drop of blood.  I am out to sing songs that will prove to you that this is your world and that if it has hit you pretty hard and knocked you for a dozen loops, no matter what color, what size you are, how you are built, I am out to sing the songs that make you take pride in yourself and in your work.”

Bruce Springsteen must have had that quote somewhere in his mind when approaching, writing the songs, and compiling the array of sounds for his new album, Wrecking Ball.

The landscape for Wrecking Ball is as bleak as Nebraska and ultimately angrier than anything he’s yet produced.  The characters are familiar and echo those on past albums and songs, though this time the struggle is harder, perhaps impossible and the rewards, even the small ones are not necessarily in sight or likely to appear.  Despite this the overall effect of the album is curiously and strangely uplifting following the precept that songs are to elevate the spirit.

In recording these songs, Springsteen channeled into the indefinable spirit of creation that goes way beyond the subject matter.  Considering that Springsteen told Rolling Stone, the songs started as folk music, the production and instrumentation on the album at times is massive.  At times it seems as if he’s tapping into every sound he ever heard.  The result is an ambiance that is at times spooky and foggy that casts an overall feeling of what the hell happened?

Taking a cue from the Bob Dylan manual of cut and paste songwriting, Springsteen borrows and quotes liberally from a variety of sources both musical and lyrical, including Dylan himself, Johnny Cash, Curtis Mayfield, Guthrie and Irish folk music.

On the opening track, the fairly generic “We Take Care Of Our Own,” which replicates a classic E Street Band sound (though the full band itself is not on the album), Springsteen clues you into what’s coming with the line: “The road of good intentions has gone dry as a bone.”

The tone changes immediately on the next song, “Easy Money,” an upbeat country-tinged rocker about a guy going out to rob or burglarize someone.  The mood of the song is one of sheer joy and the opening lines which echo earlier Springsteen songs lead you to believe he’s going on a date, until you get to the second verse:

There’s nothing to it mister, you won’t hear a sound
When your whole world comes tumbling down
And all them fat cats they just think it’s funny
I’m going on the town now looking for easy money


From there Springsteen slips into a slow, sad ballad “Jack of All Trades,” apparently about someone out of work, struggling trying to reassure himself of his own worth.  Set to an almost Memphis soul ballad piano, with a mournful trumpet solo, Springsteen sings a line that could have come right out of a Woody Guthrie Dust Bowl ballad: The banker man grows fatter, the working man grows thin/It’s all happened before and it’ll happen again, concluding with: If I had me a gun, I’d find the bastards and shoot ‘em on sight, which is capped by a searing guitar solo from Tom Morello.

This is followed by the part field holler, part Irish dance tune, “Shackled And Drawn,” which again chronicles the work theme in a rather joyous manner though the lyrics are anything but.  On one hand there’s again the feel of self worth:

I always love the feel of sweat on my shirt
Stand back, son, and let a man work
Let a man work, is that so wrong?


Nut then the next verse again channels Guthrie:

Gambling man rolls the dice, working man pays the bills
It’s still fat and easy up on bankers hill
Up on bankers hill the party’s going strong
Down here below we’re shackled and drawn.


The song ends seemingly at a revival meeting, as the concertinas fade into a sample from Lyn “The Female Preacher” Collins’ “Me and My Baby Got Our Own Thing Going:”

I want everybody to stand up tonight, stand up and be counted tonight, you know we got to pray together.

This sets the stage for what is perhaps the key song on the album and definitely the angriest, “Death To My Hometown.”  It is easily one of the wildest things Springsteen has recorded, cast as an Irish ballad, with Springsteen taking on well an Okie via New Jersey sort of Irish accent, with background singers sing something incomprehensible behind him though one can make out at time “Yippee Ti Yi Aye,” over a sample of Alabama Sacred Harp Singers’ “The Last Word of Copernicus,” which was originally recorded by Alan Lomax.  The feel is like a crazy drunken Irish wake taking place in an Alabama church with whoopin’ and hollerin’ mixed in with a tin whistle march and an Irish battle ballad.  Never losing character, this leads Springsteen to intone in the second verse:

No shells ripped the evening sky, no cities burning down
No armies stormed the shores for which we’d die
No dictators were crowned
I awoke from a quiet night, I never heard a sound
Marauders raided in the dark and brought death to my hometown, boys
Death to my hometown


But Springsteen doesn’t stop there.  He saves the best for the last verse:

Send the robber barons straight to hell
The greedy thieves who came around
And ate the flesh of everything they found
Whose crimes have gone unpunished now
Who walk the streets as free men now
 

Serious shit indeed and one wonders what would happen if the millions of Springsteen fans acted upon the lyrics of this song.  Springsteen in his personal life may not have been affected by this depression masked by the media as a recession, but he’s certainly seen and felt it.  And hearing this song, I can’t help thinking about when a year ago, I returned to the neighborhood where I grew up to attend a function, and what had been a thriving shopping area when I was a kid, was boarded up and closed, a virtual ghost town.  Such a thing was unimaginable when I was kid, and I couldn’t believe it.

The totally mournful, “This Depression,” sets the stage for the climb back up.  In this song, Springsteen totally inhabits the feelings of someone who’s been economically crushed trying to hold onto to the faintest glimmer of hope:  I’ve been down/But never this down, I’ve been low/But never this low.  Again Tom Morello’s guitar perfectly captures the feel.

With “Wrecking Ball,” a little more than midway through the album, Springsteen starts to shift gears dramatically.  Musically, a classic Springsteen song which was written and debuted originally as a paean to Giants Stadium before its imminent demolition, in the context of this album it serves as a metaphor.  There’s no doubting what he’s talking about when he sings:

So hold tight on your anger, you hold tight on your anger
Hold tight to your anger, don’t fall to your fear
,

or in the next verse:

And all our little victories and glories have turned into parking lots/When your best hopes and desires are scattered through the wind, and then repeats almost endlessly: And hard times come, and hard times go before finally concluding with, Yeah just to come again.

The song starts with Springsteen solo on guitar, but builds and builds into a full band majestic trumpet interlude.  The placement of this song at this point in the album changes the mood from despondence to the search for a glimmer of hope.

Before getting there, he pauses for perhaps the reason, a simple song of pure sex and romance, “Baby, You’ve Got it.”

Then it’s straight to church for “Rocky Ground,” which among other things again samples an Alan Lomax recording, “I’m A Soldier In The Army of the Lord,” by the Peerless Four, and features a rap written by Springsteen but delivered by Michelle Moore which contains the key lyrics:

You pray that hard times, hard times, come no more
You try to sleep, you toss and turn, the bottom’s dropping out
Where you once had faith now there’s only doubt
You pray for guidance, only silence now meets your prayers
The morning breaks, you awake but no one’s there


The next song “Land of Hope and Dreams,” was debuted in concert in 1999.  Again he returns not only to his organ and piano sound augmented by a gospel choir, but basic Springsteen themes of escape, dreams and hope, incorporating the song “This Train Is Bound For Glory” into the lyrics combined with lines from Curtis Mayfields’ “People Get Ready,” and when he does so, he delivers one of the most passionate vocals he’s ever recorded, especially when he shouts out, “Dreams will not be thwarted.”

A sound of scratchy vinyl leads into the closing, “We Are Alive,” which borrows the riff from Johnny Cash’s hit, “Ring of Fire,” (which was actually written by June Carter and Merle Kilgore).  The song is one of the most poetic Springsteen has ever written, and the second verse which echoes the sentiment of the song, “I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill Last Night,” tells all:

A voice cried out, I was killed in Maryland in 1877
When the railroad workers made their stand
Well, I was killed in 1963 one Sunday morning in Birmingham
Well, I died last year crossing the southern desert
My children left behind in San Pablo
Well they left our bodies here to rot
Oh please let them know
We are alive
Oh, and though we lie alone here in the dark
Our souls will rise to carry the fire and light the spark
To fight shoulder to shoulder and heart to heart
   

Wrecking Ball will be released on March 6th, and as is the habit with major releases these days will come in a few editions.  The special bonus edition will contain two more songs, “Swallowed Up (In The Belly Of The Whale)” and “American Land.”

Wrecking Ball is easily the best album Springsteen has delivered in a very long time.  Considering the daring creativity he took in recording the songs, and especially the context of the times in which it was created, it is also one of his most important.


Offline bellinter

  • Infamous author of 'The Joy of Hate'
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 7,624
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1498 on: March 2, 2012, 10:13:36 AM »
I'll make a confession... I downloaded this illegally last weekend. I'll still buy it when it comes out but that’s another matter. What’s important right now is that I have been listening non stop for the week... and I have to say, its sublime.

Nebraska is my favourite Springsteen album and what he portrays on Wrecking Ball is every bit as bleak. But like the review Timbo has posted above, somehow it all adds up to something positive. But positive though it may be overall, Bruce is certainly an angry bastard throughout, and he makes for a brilliant, captivating angry bastard! And who better than Tom Morello to guest on an angry album?!

I have to say when I saw that ‘Land of Hope and Dreams’ featured on the album, I was disappointed. It seemed a bit lazy to include a song that was over 10 years old. But it fits so well on this album that it was more like it was always meant to be here. Its an unbelievable song, and one of the highlights.

Speaking of highlights, ‘This Depression’ is one of my favourite ever Springsteen songs. Its truly epic. In the hands of a lesser millionaire, talking about the struggles of the current economic climate might comes across as crass. But none of that here.

I cant add anything really to what Peter Stone Brown says in his fantastic, all encompassing review. But I will echo his closing sentiments, this is his best album in a long, long time. It comes a surprise too. I really didn’t think he had another masterpiece in him. How stupid of me.

Timbo, I cant imagine you will be anything except blown away.
In ceremonies of the horsemen, even the pawn must hold a grudge.

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1499 on: March 2, 2012, 03:23:16 PM »
I'll make a confession... I downloaded this illegally last weekend. I'll still buy it when it comes out but that’s another matter. What’s important right now is that I have been listening non stop for the week... and I have to say, its sublime.

Nebraska is my favourite Springsteen album and what he portrays on Wrecking Ball is every bit as bleak. But like the review Timbo has posted above, somehow it all adds up to something positive. But positive though it may be overall, Bruce is certainly an angry bastard throughout, and he makes for a brilliant, captivating angry bastard! And who better than Tom Morello to guest on an angry album?!

I have to say when I saw that ‘Land of Hope and Dreams’ featured on the album, I was disappointed. It seemed a bit lazy to include a song that was over 10 years old. But it fits so well on this album that it was more like it was always meant to be here. Its an unbelievable song, and one of the highlights.

Speaking of highlights, ‘This Depression’ is one of my favourite ever Springsteen songs. Its truly epic. In the hands of a lesser millionaire, talking about the struggles of the current economic climate might comes across as crass. But none of that here.

I cant add anything really to what Peter Stone Brown says in his fantastic, all encompassing review. But I will echo his closing sentiments, this is his best album in a long, long time. It comes a surprise too. I really didn’t think he had another masterpiece in him. How stupid of me.

Timbo, I cant imagine you will be anything except blown away.


Great stuff Bell. Sublime eh? Wow.

 ;D

Sort of makes me quite apprehensive, though, as I'm expecting my copy off Badlands in tomorrow's post. Really hope you and PSB are spot on. 

Offline bellinter

  • Infamous author of 'The Joy of Hate'
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 7,624
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1500 on: March 2, 2012, 03:40:29 PM »
Great stuff Bell. Sublime eh? Wow.


thats the first time I've used that word, I believe!

and I hope I havent built it up too much  ;)
In ceremonies of the horsemen, even the pawn must hold a grudge.

Offline itsgunnabebarnes!

  • hard and gagging
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 10,260
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1501 on: March 2, 2012, 04:10:52 PM »
Right, i have been listening to the album quite a bit now. My first reaction was it should have been a seeger project (which i still think it should have been) and that it is poor. The celtic/country feel to the music is not really my cup of tea. No surprise then that ORIGINALLY after a few listens the songs i liked were "We take car of our own", "Wrecking Ball" and Land of hope and dreams all  "E Street type songs".

However. after getting over the initial "Its not a typical E street album" disapointment and studying the lyrics in more depth the real disapointment has gone. The lyrics are extremely powerful and i would argue as powerful as anything Bruce has wrote before. Songs like " Death to my hometown",  "this depression" and "Jack of all trades"  are great songs.

As with any Bruce release i await to see how the songs come across in a live arena (i have doubts some of them will work).

I must admit that im dissapointed that this is a E street album, and somehwat surprised Bruce is using them over the other band.

I hope it grows on me, and more importantly hope the live shows in the summer contain a few of these songs and more from the promise.
'Tramps like us, baby we were born to run!'

Offline bellinter

  • Infamous author of 'The Joy of Hate'
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 7,624
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1502 on: March 2, 2012, 04:28:18 PM »
Disappointed to hear that Gunna…. The celtic/country feel to the music is EXACTLY my cup of tea. I was a massive fan of the Seeger Sessions, love that type of thing. Probably why I got into this so easily. Hope it grows on you a bit more.
In ceremonies of the horsemen, even the pawn must hold a grudge.

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1503 on: March 2, 2012, 04:42:15 PM »
There's few more devoted to bruce than Gunna so it really is confusing for someone who hasn't properly heard it yet. It certainly is splitting the vote. I wonder which way it'll hit me?

 :o

 ;D

Offline bellinter

  • Infamous author of 'The Joy of Hate'
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 7,624
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1504 on: March 2, 2012, 04:50:02 PM »
i hear you Timbo... when I read his opinion I wondered if I had downloaded the wrong album :)
But I have faith that it will continue to grow on him!
In ceremonies of the horsemen, even the pawn must hold a grudge.

Offline Andy @ Allerton

  • A Famous Grouse. Aaaand we're back in the room...Loves Mission Impossible theme tune.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 46,687
  • Meh meh meh meh meh.
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1505 on: March 2, 2012, 04:55:30 PM »
I must be the only person on Earth that thinks he's totally shit.

Not even sure why. I like similar kind of stuff but he just really winds me up.
Football has reached the ninth gate of farce and pathetic, unbelievable trite nonsense. It's supposed to be a game and it's turned into pantomime, hype, quilts and bellends.

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1506 on: March 2, 2012, 05:10:47 PM »
I must be the only person on Earth that thinks he's totally shit.

Not even sure why. I like similar kind of stuff but he just really winds me up.

You're not alone Andy. Last I heard there's also a guy in Transylvania.

 ;D

Seriously, there's many during the 80's who were alienated by the bombast and seemingly blatant commercial objectives of BITUSA. My own brother in law for one. Many have never been able to extend artistic credibility to the man for that reason. Not sure if that's what colours your own judgement. Those drawn towards him see it entirely differently. They see an artist who alone amongst his lofty peers has used for the entire duration of his career - including this latest apparent masterpiece/disappointment [delete as appropriate  :)] - his songwriting to target so many of the injustices and crises which plague ordinary folk, often sacrificing commercial success for social commentary wrapped up in at times quite extraordinarily beautiful and moving poetic narrative and melody . 


« Last Edit: March 2, 2012, 05:13:53 PM by Timbo's Goals »

Offline Jersey

  • Kopite
  • ****
  • Posts: 814
  • Belgian Red
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1507 on: March 2, 2012, 05:14:07 PM »
It's his best album since the Rising in my opinion. But it's true, it's not something people would expect of an E Street album and tour, so I understand why some people are not going to like this album. Give it a chance to grow on you though. Really looking forward to how he's going to play those songs with the band.

5 really great tracks: the first three songs, death to my hometown (!!!) and land of hope and dreams. Not really into jack of all trades and this depression, and I don't like that swallowed song, guess that's why they call it a bonus track. The other songs are decent/good. Love the intro of both land of hope and dreams and american land. But that's just my opinion.

Bring on the tour.
No retreat baby, no surrender

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1508 on: March 2, 2012, 05:23:53 PM »
It's his best album since the Rising in my opinion. But it's true, it's not something people would expect of an E Street album and tour, so I understand why some people are not going to like this album. Give it a chance to grow on you though. Really looking forward to how he's going to play those songs with the band.

5 really great tracks: the first three songs, death to my hometown (!!!) and land of hope and dreams. Not really into jack of all trades and this depression, and I don't like that swallowed song, guess that's why they call it a bonus track. The other songs are decent/good. Love the intro of both land of hope and dreams and american land. But that's just my opinion.

Bring on the tour.

Apart from the obvious ones Jack of All Trades is one that I have heard. I must admit I found it extremely moving and personal in the vein of my own family past - with the protaganist so earnestly heartfelt yet at the same time so forlorn in his conviction that things will turn out okay.

Offline Andy @ Allerton

  • A Famous Grouse. Aaaand we're back in the room...Loves Mission Impossible theme tune.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 46,687
  • Meh meh meh meh meh.
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1509 on: March 2, 2012, 05:26:54 PM »
You're not alone Andy. Last I heard there's also a guy in Transylvania.

 ;D

Seriously, there's many during the 80's who were alienated by the bombast and seemingly blatant commercial objectives of BITUSA. My own brother in law for one. Many have never been able to extend artistic credibility to the man for that reason. Not sure if that's what colours your own judgement. Those drawn towards him see it entirely differently. They see an artist who alone amongst his lofty peers has used for the entire duration of his career - including this latest apparent masterpiece/disappointment [delete as appropriate  :)] - his songwriting to target so many of the injustices and crises which plague ordinary folk, often sacrificing commercial success for social commentary wrapped up in at times quite extraordinarily beautiful and moving poetic narrative and melody . 




I think the commercialism was one, plus the bombastic THE BOSS!!! self grandiose portrayal of his stuff. Just never really taken to him. You hear the 'pinnacle' of his stuff and OK it's making a point, but a lot of bands, artists and organisations have also made points. When I listen to music, I want to listen to stuff I enjoy, not stuff I have to think "Yeah! This is ace cos it's making a valid point about an area of the world that I'm not all that interested in to be honest with you and people that although disadvantaged in this particular issue I wouldn't actually know even if I fell over them and actually there are many other areas of the world where bigger problems are faced like people dying and losing their homes and families."
Football has reached the ninth gate of farce and pathetic, unbelievable trite nonsense. It's supposed to be a game and it's turned into pantomime, hype, quilts and bellends.

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1510 on: March 2, 2012, 06:04:00 PM »
You hear the 'pinnacle' of his stuff ,

Genuinely interested to know the songs you see as his pinnacle, Andy lad. Just to see how they align or contrast with the sort of stuff that has appealed to his huge fans in this thread such as myself.

Offline Andy @ Allerton

  • A Famous Grouse. Aaaand we're back in the room...Loves Mission Impossible theme tune.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 46,687
  • Meh meh meh meh meh.
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1511 on: March 2, 2012, 06:52:42 PM »
Genuinely interested to know the songs you see as his pinnacle, Andy lad. Just to see how they align or contrast with the sort of stuff that has appealed to his huge fans in this thread such as myself.

The time I noticed him the most was through the "Born in the USA" era and a few years beyond that. I've always known he's been hovering around, but with the advent of more choice in music bars (Other than the magical and new! MTV when I was a kid) it means that I haven't had to/don't listen to his stuff really.

I didn't think I had that many albums of his to be honest but I buy albums in second hand shops/charity shops and looking now I've got a fair few but never really listened to any.

Which of these would you recommend?

18 Tracks, Born to Run, Human Touch, In Concert (MTV Plugged), Live 1975-85, Nebraska, The Rising, The River (Double),
Football has reached the ninth gate of farce and pathetic, unbelievable trite nonsense. It's supposed to be a game and it's turned into pantomime, hype, quilts and bellends.

Offline Timbo's Goals

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,526
  • JFT96
    • Timbos Liverpool
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1512 on: March 2, 2012, 07:21:02 PM »
Wow - you got all them second hand?

Impressive.

I know what you mean, though. you can buy stuff like that and it just accumulates but if you're no particular fan then they just gather dust without you listening to them.

From your list I could recommend most possibly save for Human Touch which save for the odd track is so so and doesn't come near to the others.

However, if you did want to try to get a feel for the guy then I'd start with his formative years prior to his arrival on the main stage which are condensed pretty reflectively on 18 Tracks. The initial track Growin Up was his initial impromptu solo audition for john Hammond whose eyes and ears popped out of his head when confronted by this scraggly upstart. I mean imagine a talent like that suddenly just fronting you.

The remainder of Tracks will tell you if - for your own particular musical taste - it's worth persevering with the fella. Most of it is his formative stuff. He only gives rein to his full potential to come on four of the tracks - Pink Cadillac, Janey Don't You lose heart, brothers Under the Bridge and one of his finest ever songs The Promise - but the rest [mostly - I'd skip part man Monkey and the Fever] provide a reasonable take on what was to come.

If you find something in what you hear then I'd go straight to The River album.

Good luck mate!!

 ;D   

Offline Not funny reecehenebry

  • Pitbull #2. Fanning the flames of debate since 03/06/10.
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,809
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1513 on: March 2, 2012, 07:36:30 PM »
The time I noticed him the most was through the "Born in the USA" era and a few years beyond that. I've always known he's been hovering around, but with the advent of more choice in music bars (Other than the magical and new! MTV when I was a kid) it means that I haven't had to/don't listen to his stuff really.

I didn't think I had that many albums of his to be honest but I buy albums in second hand shops/charity shops and looking now I've got a fair few but never really listened to any.

Which of these would you recommend?

18 Tracks, Born to Run, Human Touch, In Concert (MTV Plugged), Live 1975-85, Nebraska, The Rising, The River (Double),
Go with Born to Run and The River. Start by playing them in the backround, while reading a book or cooking. Then give them a closer listen.

Springsteen isn't a musician, he is more of a movement. Unless you have listened to the older stuff it's very hard to put Born in the Usa into proper context. He is the most self aware person I have come across with music, with everything having a meaning, without being overlording.

After born to run and The river, get the first two albums.
Why are you looking past this season?

Offline Andy @ Allerton

  • A Famous Grouse. Aaaand we're back in the room...Loves Mission Impossible theme tune.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 46,687
  • Meh meh meh meh meh.
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1514 on: March 3, 2012, 01:10:24 AM »
Cheers chaps. Got 18 Tracks playing in background now. Too long. I used to have music all the time. When did that stop? Maybe when my missus goes to bed and I chill and keep the noise down? I will give the man a chance. He must have something.

And let's face it. As people often say on here I'm not the best judge. But to be fair. I'm just me. :)
Football has reached the ninth gate of farce and pathetic, unbelievable trite nonsense. It's supposed to be a game and it's turned into pantomime, hype, quilts and bellends.

Offline KERRYKOP

  • Fiendish Bunny Slayer, Enemy Of The Lapine Race and founder of the Benitez band.
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,364
  • RIP Páidí Ó Sé
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1515 on: March 3, 2012, 02:40:14 AM »
Was always a Born To Run guy, but Iv slowly moved over to the Darkness camp. Its rawness which I dont equate with Bruce put me off before, also the album has a few slow burners, Racing in the street in particular, crazy to think I would have skipped this before.
Twitter
Blog
"My country is the world, and my religion to do good" (Thomas Paine)
"If some c*nt can fuck something up, that c*nt will pick the worst possible time to fucking fuck it up cause that c*nt's a c*nt" (

Offline Jersey

  • Kopite
  • ****
  • Posts: 814
  • Belgian Red
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1516 on: March 3, 2012, 09:15:39 PM »
No retreat baby, no surrender

Offline bellinter

  • Infamous author of 'The Joy of Hate'
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 7,624
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1517 on: March 5, 2012, 09:25:52 AM »
not sure about the inclusion of Green Day, but here is a quote from Dennis Lehane on Wrecking Ball

"Wrecking Ball is possibly Bruce's best album in a quarter century, for what my opinion's worth. It's bracing and subversive and furious and sonically fearless. It's going to give voice to a generation. Certainly to an era. In that regard I'd put it shoulder to shoulder with Born to Run, Highway 61 Revisited, Exile on Main Street, London Calling, and American Idiot. Indelible. I stand in awe of Bruce's ability to make music this angry and relevant and authentic at any stage of his career, never mind 40 years on. Thank God for him."
In ceremonies of the horsemen, even the pawn must hold a grudge.

Offline andym41

  • Kopite
  • ****
  • Posts: 799
  • Done the treble
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1518 on: March 5, 2012, 12:36:34 PM »
Amazon UK have Wrecking Ball as their MP3 download of the week for £4.99

Offline FinnishRed

  • Frog in a liquidiser.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 5,809
  • Possibilities...
Re: Bruce Springsteen
« Reply #1519 on: March 6, 2012, 02:14:42 PM »
Can anyone give an opinion about the audio quality of the Live 1975-85 Box between LP and CD? I have the 5 LP version of the box. Simply love nearly every track on it, but the problem is, the 80's pressed LP's seem to suffer a bit of poor audio on some of the tracks. Just interested if the 3 CD version would be better quality. The vinyls I have are mint and not played too many times, yet still some of the audio lets down I think. Anyone have the 2005 Japan remastered 5 mini replica vinyl box of this same release? That would be the definite choice, just hard to find and very expensive. All opinions welcome, ta.

The first few yards are all in the head