Pick two players out of a list of six and claim you must be right because they didn't go onto be world class ? Either of them would have been good squad players during houllier's darker day's.
Jesus, right then Duff or Nugent either. There's 4, the other one was over 30 years ago. And You don't know the details of those TRIALISTS for a start, because thats what they were trialists. They weren't at the club at that young age. Did Liverpool not choose Rooney or did Rooney not choose Liverpool? Duff picked Blackburn because he thought he'd find it easier to breakthrough. Maybe he was right, maybe he wasn't but that was long before Rafa's time and in fact it was before Geds time as well. You're putting these names out but you actually haven't a clue what the story was, you just know they had a trial here thats it.
The fact some weren't at the club despite them being right in front of you is a stronger argument (Rooney, it's said dominated the game during the trial, he also had an everton top on, but that's a whole other thing) given some of the tat that ends up at the academy, lampard and cole were also keen on going to Liverpool (the 90 mile rule never went against the likes of the mighty robbie foy and ryan wilkie who Liverpool paid a boatload to get to move closer) but Liverpool managed to fuck that up as well.
I mean here you are saying we fucked up by not bringing young players to the club in Lampard and Cole and yet that goes against your initial gripe that we are bringing a young player to the club. Why is it ok to bring Lampard and Cole in and not Garcia, exactly is your problem here? Again you're giving examples of English players we've missed out on being a problem. Well what if we miss out on a future foreign star because we didn't bother our arse looking abroad?
And again all before Rafa's time and even Geds.
Sir Bob was said to be immensely pissed off when he was told they'd let Dalglish slip through and who can blame him.
Well ok, but thats life it happens. United let Beardsley go, we benefited. These things happen in football because its not a perfect world. Are we going to base everything now on use missing out on Dalglish 30 years ago? Should we not sign anymore 20 year olds in case a 16 year old trialist might end up being the next Dalglish IF he chooses to pick Liverpool as his club?
What if United hadn't signed Ronaldo on the basis that Fletcher might be alright in a few years?
Would Garcia shift anyone in the current midfield ?
Might he in a few seasons is the point. Barton is not 20 anymoreand is still not at a top club, same with Nolan, same with Duff (who shone briefly at Chelsea), we're talking about potential in Garcia, and Lucas for that matter. And obviously our pretty successful manager likes the look of him, so again whats the problem? Especially if its potential that can contribute now.
I asked why there's no reflection, not that Liverpool are unique in this. Welsh and Mellor weren't just 'some players' as I pointed out, letting paul harrison and conal platt go is one thing, fucking up with them two is quite another.
Players who find themselves at the u20 world cup (south american teams aside who want to win every bastard and take it deadly seriously) rather than the world cup proper are disproportionately unlikey to make it at the highest level ?.
Hold on, what do you mean they weren't just some players. You said that based on their underage caps and then your telling me that players at that level are likely not going to make it anyway. Which is it?
And that applies to underage across the board, the U20's were just an example. Its the same at all, something like 10% of players from those sides will ever make it to the 1st team, even less will become established. Even less again will make it at a top club. Thats the price of being up with the best, the standards are higher.
Well, who could have guessed, darren caskey for one.
How highly does Rafa rate him, as highly as Duran ? Ajdarevic ? Idrizaj ?.
Honestly now, how on earth would I know that and why the fuck is that even relevant who he rates more? Seriously what is the point of that? He rates him is the point. Again why you have a problem with it is beyond me.
I'm not endorsing holding onto anyone for the sake of it, infact, I'm endorsing the exact opposite, not hording players for the sake of it like some sort of demented cat lady in the hope that one might come off. You know, a bit like the 'farce' of madrid do with senior players, one minute Cassano is one of europe's most promising strikers with an attitude problem the next he's at real madrid.
He is not pursuing Garcia for the sake of it. That is the whole basis of my point. Rafa must see something in the guy if he wants to sign him. Do you honestly think he's saying, 'oh there's a spanish kid, he's 20, lets sign him for the craic' ? He's not.
And what the hell does Cassano have to do with? Seriously, were are you going with some of these points, Are clubs not allowed make bogey signings now?
Liverpool reserves are fast becoming a black hole, maybe now the manager is in charge that'll change, either that or a decent network of clubs to whom players can be regularly sent out on loan is required.
A black hole??? Rafa's only started recruiting for the reserves in earnest last summer. How the hell is it a black hole? Most of the players are kids recently recruited by Rafa as players for the future, a bit like Arsenal. Its a little early to say its a 'black hole', maybe a bit of restraint and patience is what you need and maybe we could see how these kids are doing in a couple of season before you write off the whole reserve/youth policy of Benitez and his team.
Once again I'm going to point to the quality of Arsenals reserves. That is what Benitez is clearly aiming for, young players with buckets of talent and it doesn't matter if they're English, French, Spanish etc. once they're good enough. If the local talent is good enough it'll come through as well. Thats it. There's no conspiracy to force out English kids and I've no idea given a lot of what you've said above how you can have a gripe with the current recruitment policy.