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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #960 on: July 10, 2007, 11:04:40 PM »
Knob Jockey's all over Talkshite isn't it or are they all cloned in Mike Parry's image (this is why I dont listen to it).  That youtube segment was the first time in a long while.

maybe Jamie should be getting legal advice because Durham's comments were defamatory and it could be libel ?

Durham will probably hide behind the defence of honestly held opinion even though it smacked of the sensationalism inspired by the Gobshite founder of said station.  Merely a stunt with no thought (or indeed fact) constructed into his argument.  My opinion but there you go...
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #961 on: July 10, 2007, 11:17:12 PM »
Good article on Daily Mail site:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=467546&in_page_id=1951

Let's give Carragher his due and ignore the radio ga-ga

Jamie Carragher "a bottler"? The shockjock, phone-in culture that is such a poor imitation of the American model for on-air contrariness just about reached its nadir with that slander against one of our most spirited players.

"Carra" phoned in to contest the talkSPORT slur. But he needn't have bothered. The studio dunce who attempts to distil the player's threat to retire from England duty to a question of moral fibre can be dealt with via the off-switch better than the telephone.

Choreographed provocation hits home only when it's backed up by some measure of intelligent analysis which, in Adrian Durham's case on Monday night, was sorely lacking.

They call these kinds of attacks "hitting below the intellect", for it would have been far more challenging to examine the proposition that Champions League football is now a higher form than national service in the minds of the more sophisticated players.

Equally, that turning out for a country whose default mode is to go home in floods of tears at the quarter-final stage has lost some of its allure, especially when the protagonists in this 40-year tragi-comedy have to go into hiding when they return.

If there's one unanswerable criticism of the media these days, it is that it treats its users as village idiots. And so it is that Mr Durham could do no better than to reduce Carragher's entirely rational analysis of his predicament to a question of 'bottle', a quality which he happens to have in abundance.

Right near the top of Anfield's entertainment menu is the weekly spectacle of the local hero and heir to Tommy Smith throwing his body in harm's way.

talkSPORT's cheap shot has been topped in this week's league table of offensive assertions only by the idea that we should all help Alastair Campbell skip yet further away from the Weapons Of Mass Destruction debacle by buying his heavily sanitised diaries.

But in sport, there is no more inane interpretation of Carragher's probable retirement from the international game than the accusation of cowardice. Last month, against Brazil, every right thinking fan marvelled at the illogicality of rushing Ledley King back at centre-half while Carragher was shuffled across to right-back.

That miscalculation grew into an insult when the Liverpool man was left out altogether against Estonia in Tallinn in favour of Wes Brown.

Those who pointed out that King is a more cultured passer at least based their case on technical analysis.

Yet there was no escaping the counter-reality that Carragher is one of the world's best defensive centre-halves whose stubbornness, character and organisational skill far exceed those of, say, Rio Ferdinand who is going to turn into Franz Beckenbauer any day now, just you wait and see.

Even if you accept John Terry and Ferdinand as the first-choice central pairing (and Terry is certainly No 1 in that department), it defies reason to demote the trusty Carragher below the position of firstchoice understudy in his best position — at the core of the defence.

When Blackburn's David Bentley bleated that he was too tired to represent his country in the European Under 21 Championship, there was a stampede to bayonet his reputation on the basis that fatigue was no justification for a 22-year-old to turn his back on such a life-enhancing experience.

With Carragher, however, we start from the knowledge that here is a player who would swim across a piranha-infested Mersey to stop a breach of Liverpool's goal.

It's not pique or ego that are driving him out at 29 but a biting sense of injustice which tends to be a powerful guiding force on Merseyside.

To elevate King, Brown or Jonathan Woodgate above a Champions League-winning gladiator is bound to be taken personally by a player whose motivational energy is worth 20 or 30 supposedly silky forward passes from the back.

Silky passes, incidentally, that never quite seem to materialise. No wonder he reached for the blower.

Paul Scholes made his doleful England exit because he was not one of the teacher's pets and was consequently being shunted around the pitch to accommodate Sven Goran Eriksson's favourite showbiz names.

The difference was that his advancing age allowed him to hide behind the excuse that he wanted to concentrate on his club career.

Equally, he was not the sort to explain himself in a local newspaper or challenge radio ranters as Carragher has, again to his credit.

To us non-combatants, with our thwarted grandstand dreams, it's an article of faith that no one should turn their back on England.

Carragher's problem is that he thinks a great deal about the game, consuming magazines, books and midweek matches from far-flung lands and so his natural intelligence will not allow him to be conned.

It took more 'bottle' to confront that grievance than it does to shout into a microphone.



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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #962 on: July 10, 2007, 11:18:39 PM »
think that journo wants to write carras book if he ever brings one out.
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #963 on: July 11, 2007, 12:07:55 AM »
Heard the radio clip in full, and to be honest, the reports of Carra's response dont do him justice, Carra was superb, and it all came straight from the heart.

That knobjockey pooed his pants and his copresenters didnt let him forget it either

Carra has already said that, should they really really need him, he'd be happy to step in, so its not like he is refusing to wear the shirt again or anything. The more Ive thought about it since the weekend, the more I think it is a good decision for him and for us

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #964 on: July 11, 2007, 12:13:48 AM »
last night was much more fun
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #965 on: July 11, 2007, 01:00:27 AM »
What a legend... typical Carragher. How he will be missed when he can't play for liverpool anymore.

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #966 on: July 11, 2007, 01:06:37 AM »


After a little thought, I have come to the conclusion that the "Bottler" remark is hilarious!

I wonder if we could find one other person who could, hand on heart, say Carra was a "Bottler".


Such an obvious attempt to get a rise from someone!
It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #967 on: July 11, 2007, 01:12:06 AM »
anyone got a link for Carras phone in?

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #968 on: July 11, 2007, 01:14:23 AM »
anyone got a link for Carras phone in?

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It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #969 on: July 11, 2007, 01:20:11 AM »
I heard it before, its fuckin funny everytime i hear it. The part in it when Carragher says:

"Ey, who's a bottler, alright then i'll tell you what, you come down to Melwood and say that to me face then. We'll see who's a bottler then ey."

The prick says back: "Yes I will say it to yer face."

Carragher says laughin back to him: "Oh will yer, yer?"

Belter that Jamie lad.

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #970 on: July 11, 2007, 06:28:25 AM »
That Durham is a prat and I'm being polite. 

Carra a bottler? I have to laugh.

Jonathan Woodgate better?  Tell me when he manages 30 games a season. 

Glad to see some support from Paul Hayward and Phil McNulty.  It makes me so angry to read those 606 mails or phone-ins denigrating Carra.  Well, these people said England is blessed with CBs and Carra won't be missed. 

Suits us also.  Our gain.

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #971 on: July 11, 2007, 09:24:55 AM »
Does anybody know if the story about David Moores ring up to compain is true?

If so whose show did he ring?

The strory doing the rounds is that he was absolutely rabid but refused to go 'live'

Would be good to know that our ex-chairman still has that passion.......good on you Mr.Moores!
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #972 on: July 11, 2007, 09:39:43 AM »
fantastic article

It is.

But it's from the Daily Mail.

I'm confused...
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #973 on: July 11, 2007, 09:46:02 AM »
I listened to Dunhams radio program yesterday, and his co-presenter Micky Quinn, plus the weather girl, the traffic presenter, all told him he was wrong, but he wouldn't have it John Barns came on and told him he was wrong, and explained Jamie's logic he still didn't or didn't want to get it, and to me he's a no nothing who's looking for his 5 minutes of fame. He even admitted that Jamie Carragher doesn't bottle anythin on the pitch but refused to apologise because he has bottled the fight for a place in the England team which he was quite rightly told by Micky Quinn he didn't have and not likely to get under McClaren as by not playing him against Estonia he effectively let him know he was 5th choice center half. Mickey Quinn stood up for Carra the whole program but most of the callers where from the lower league side who don't have clue just like Dunham, and belched out a load of shite they think you should turn up wether you are picked or not and just watch lesser players take your place.  The guy is a class prick and headline seeker he is best ignored.

here's Jamie's view and link.

Listen to Jamie's Interview 
JAMIE CARRAGHER: ‘DON’T CALL ME A BOTTLER’ 
 Speaking to Adrian Durham and Micky Quinn on Drivetime, Carragher said: “Don’t ever call me a bottler on radio with all those thousands of people listening.”

Asked by Durham why he wasn’t prepared to fight for an England place, Carragher said: “There’s that many people he’s [England manager Steve McClaren] played ahead of me. It’s a game of opinions. But when you’re at my age they are all younger than me, they are all going to improve and maybe I won’t at my age.

“I played in the Champions League final. There’s not much more you can do at club football. But win it which we did a couple of years ago. He played Ledley King who is a top player. But he’s been injured all season so how would you feel in my situation, what would you do? When John Terry was out [Jonathan] Woodgate played.

“I’m 29, I’ve been doing it for eight years and obviously I haven’t proved it enough so it’s not going to change now is it? It’s not like I’ve just got in the squad and I’ve jumped out.

When asked by Quinn if he thinks he will regret retiring from international football, Carragher said: “Time will tell won’t it, who knows? But as I said, for me now it’s time to concentrate on my Liverpool career.”

Asked by Durham if he would regret not playing in the next World Cup, Carragher said: “If I’m not getting a game at 29 there’s no chance of me getting a game at 32. Every centre-half the manager has picked is younger than me.”

Asked by Durham if he would come out of retirement for his country like Beckham, Carragher said: “David Beckham was the captain; he was a regular for England. I’ve never done that in the first place. The manager said the door was always open [to Beckham] and it was because he came back.

“At the moment it’s not 100% official because I’ve still got to speak to the manager before the next game. But at the moment it’s looking like that and as I said, if there was a major injury crisis and the four centre-half’s who he obviously picks ahead of me are all injured and he’s absolutely desperate then of course I would, yeah.

“I’ve had the stomach to fight for my place for the last eight years. All I can do is play as well as I can for Liverpool. I’ve never really played centre-half for England and to be honest, I’ve never really played that well for England because I’ve played a lot of the time at full back. But at centre-half, I don’t think I’ve really played as much as maybe I deserved. But that’s opinions, that’s the managers choice and if he’s chosen people ahead of me then I don’t think anyone can really complain if I would rather concentrate and save myself for Liverpool games.”

Durham then drew comparisons between Alan Shearer and Paul Scholes who both ended England careers early to concentrate on club football. “There is a difference” said Carragher, I’m only a squad player with the England team so I’m sure the England team are missing Paul Scholes and Alan Shearer a lot more than they’re missing Jamie Carragher. So I don’t know why people are so worried about it to be honest.

“I was an Everton fan as a kid growing up and now I’m a Liverpool player and the club is always more important to me. I want to give as much to Liverpool as I possibly can over the next few years. Because I don’t play that much for England, you can’t really say it’s about the tiredness, it’s more about going away and being away from the club and being away from your family.”

Asked by Durham what McClaren’s reaction to the news was, Carragher said: “I’ve spoken to him a couple of times and he still wants me to apply for the squad and I’ll speak to him before the Germany game. But I told him my feelings and that I didn’t think they would change.”

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #974 on: July 11, 2007, 10:09:35 AM »
It is.

But it's from the Daily Mail.

I'm confused...

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #975 on: July 11, 2007, 10:13:48 AM »
And if Ingur-land somehow do mange to qualify for Euro 2008 - I will personally go to anfield and slice my knob off in the centre circle.  :D

I so hope we qualify for Euro 2008.

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #976 on: July 11, 2007, 10:16:45 AM »
That Durham is a prat and I'm being polite. 

Carra a bottler? I have to laugh.

Jonathan Woodgate better?  Tell me when he manages 30 games a season. 

Glad to see some support from Paul Hayward and Phil McNulty.  It makes me so angry to read those 606 mails or phone-ins denigrating Carra.  Well, these people said England is blessed with CBs and Carra won't be missed. 

Suits us also.  Our gain.


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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #977 on: July 11, 2007, 10:18:06 AM »
I so hope we qualify for Euro 2008.

"We"? fucking "we"

This is a Liverpool forum not a fucking England one!!

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #978 on: July 11, 2007, 10:32:52 AM »
"We"? fucking "we"

This is a Liverpool forum not a fucking England one!!

I'll dance the streets if England don't qualify.

Well you would, you're Welsh.
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #979 on: July 11, 2007, 10:35:20 AM »
Carragher is a fucking bottler




























































Don't really think that. Just trying to smoke out the bastards RAWK I.D ;)
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #980 on: July 11, 2007, 11:05:59 AM »

Paul Scholes made his doleful England exit because he was not one of the teacher's pets and was consequently being shunted around the pitch to accommodate Sven Goran Eriksson's favourite showbiz names.

The difference was that his advancing age allowed him to hide behind the excuse that he wanted to concentrate on his club career.

Wasn't Scholes 29 when he hung up his international boots?

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #981 on: July 11, 2007, 11:08:31 AM »
Wasn't Scholes 29 when he hung up his international boots?
I've just checked and the answer is yes!

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #982 on: July 11, 2007, 11:30:43 AM »
Well you would, you're Welsh.
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #983 on: July 11, 2007, 11:55:45 AM »
Just heard the phone in, and all I can say is Carragher is an absolute top man.

Fuck England and the Wes Brown cock sockers in the management set-up, it's their loss......

and only to our benefit.

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #984 on: July 11, 2007, 11:56:55 AM »
Well you would, you're Welsh.

That is really funny
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #985 on: July 11, 2007, 11:59:37 AM »
it's a great decision for Carra...he's Scouse he isn't English. none have respected his abilty in the national team so he preferred to play where he is loved and respected
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #986 on: July 11, 2007, 12:02:41 PM »
Welsh? English? I'm neither - FACT

I have no nationality

I hate both nations with a passion
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #987 on: July 11, 2007, 12:37:29 PM »
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #988 on: July 11, 2007, 12:46:10 PM »
It is.

But it's from the Daily Mail.

I'm confused...

A sensible article in the daily mail, isn't that one of the first signs of the apocalypse?  :o

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #989 on: July 11, 2007, 12:49:31 PM »
What makes me laugh is all these clueless idiots who have a go at Carragher, then ay all these defenders who are better than him

John Terryble is massively overrated who hs been lucky he has had defenders by him who are so much better than him, Calhavaro and Gallas.

Rio Ferdinand who is the best distributer ever but his defending is so laughable and shit he is no where near the level of defending of Carragher.

Woodgate - WHAT IN THE FUCK HAS HE DONE


Has he been diving in head first in top clas compettins againt top class defenders?  Er no.


Carragher is a Liverpool legend, if England dont want him why should Carragher need England anyway.

Even James Milner deserves a place in the England squad before Pennant just to name one.


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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #990 on: July 11, 2007, 12:57:02 PM »
Welsh? English? I'm neither - FACT

I have no nationality

I hate both nations with a passion

Fucking asylum seeker!!! no wonder you wear shite trabs.
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #992 on: July 11, 2007, 01:38:27 PM »
Sorry to bring this back off topic but dead interesting all this anti-English thing. I can see why people from both ends of the spectrum find it hard to understand the other extreme.

I think 4pool has inadvertently hit the nail on the head. It's all about how you view the game. Eleven fellas battling it out for 90 minutes and just that, or something deeper, more meaningful. I'm in the latter camp. I like to look off the pitch. Which gives me literally a million reasons to not to show any support to team representing the country on me passport.

I hate the way that anyone who voices an opinion away form the conceived norm is lambasted over here as a "vocal minority" (probably been guilty of it meself though) or anyone proud of being from Liverpool gets the professional Scouser treatment, but here's a couple of those reasons....

The players. I dislike the majority of them. There's a couple I hate. There's one or two I really hate. I've got the unhealthy revulsion of Rio Ferdinand. I hate him as a player. I hate him as a person. There's just no way I could support him. If he was on a peace mission to Dafur I'd struggle to, never mind on a football pitch. No way I could show any backing nearly all of them,

The fans. I'm into a bit of the arl fan culture and there seems to two distinct groups following England. The barmys in the kits, St George's cross wrapped round them, pretending to be a plane, or a knight, or John Cleese  and a flick of a switch away from switching on the tears. And the ones who don't wear kits. Who are just a flick or a switch away from being knobheads. Although in most cases the switch is permanently on. I've seen them first hand.

Think about who they support as well. Most of them hate us. Some of them really hate us. Every other week fans come to Anfield and think they're dead witty with little songs about Scousers. Every other week we go somewhere else and yer find yerself in a boozer with lads who want to put a bottle over your head cos you speak with a twang.

Y'know what they say  about y'never more than 10 ft away from a rat. well I reckon, no matter where you are in the world your never 10 ft away from some smarmy tit ready to crack a snide comment about his car keys. If you're in a place where England are playing you can reduce that distance by 90%.

And then there's the media. The circus. Joke. Why become part of it.

And this is all without mentioning the pride in our own city and it's unqiueness. But I've got things to be doing so I'll have to bring it to a close, but there's some reason why not all of us buy into the national team. Not saying everyone should think that way, far from it. Everyone should have their own thoughts, but there's mine for some of the people discussing it about 47 pages back.

 
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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #993 on: July 11, 2007, 01:43:58 PM »
I heard it before, its fuckin funny everytime i hear it. The part in it when Carragher says:

"Ey, who's a bottler, alright then i'll tell you what, you come down to Melwood and say that to me face then. We'll see who's a bottler then ey."

The prick says back: "Yes I will say it to yer face."

Carragher says laughin back to him: "Oh will yer, yer?"

Belter that Jamie lad.
He probably would say it to Carra's face because he knows he is too much of a pro to get into trouble for kicking shit out of a tool like that.

I bet he wouldn't agree to come and air his views in one of the many fine hostelries surrounding Anfield on a match day.
"You just have to give them credit for not throwing in the towel" - Gennaro Gattuso, May, 2005

And then we'll get 4th as well and everyone in the whole world can do one.

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #994 on: July 11, 2007, 02:05:09 PM »
just listened to the interview ... jamie is a really intelligent lad and a fuckin legend. i love the fuckin guy.

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #995 on: July 11, 2007, 03:01:10 PM »
Serious question answer honestly -

If you were a professional footballer born in Liverpool, A Liverpool fan and were told you would be in the starting eleven for England, would you play or make yourself unavaible?

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #996 on: July 11, 2007, 03:19:27 PM »
Very hypothetical question.

If I closed down my work PC tonight for the final time and rolled up at Melwood tomorrow morning with my boots to start a new life then yeah I would. I'd stick a big two fingers up to England. But I'd also do the same to agents, sponsors, hangers-on, tabloids, the FA etc... etc... and you'd probably find me sitting in me local every Saturday night with the European Cup.


In reality though, if you'd been striving to play at the top of the game and with the best players since you were a kid, would you turn down the best opportunity to get to that peak? Nah, no way you would. If you got the call and then were treated poorly then yer'd think twice...

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #997 on: July 11, 2007, 03:23:18 PM »
Serious question answer honestly -

If you were a professional footballer born in Liverpool, A Liverpool fan and were told you would be in the starting eleven for England, would you play or make yourself unavaible?

I would play. But I would also if I was selected for Scotland, Wales, Faroe Islands, Samoa, etc. Okay maybe not Wales, but deffo any other international side including England. Doesn't mean I'd give a fuck about them though. 

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #998 on: July 11, 2007, 03:27:46 PM »
still cant get it that people put so much emphasis on international football especially england who as a nation have never done f-all  apart from winning a home based tournament , club football is far Superior and far more important to the day to day living of the match going supporters , deep down if its down to a straight choice of england or your club being liverpool surely liverpool win hands down , and england or any other national team doesn't count .

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Re: Carragher to Quit England Duty?
« Reply #999 on: July 11, 2007, 03:27:47 PM »
Fucking great post Villiers.