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Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« on: May 25, 2007, 03:28:37 am »
Benitez attacks Liverpool over lack of funds
By Andy Hunter in Athens
Published: 25 May 2007
Disillusionment exceeded defeat in a European Cup final for Rafael Benitez yesterday as the Liverpool manager launched an extraordinary attack on the club and warned George Gillet and Tom Hicks his Anfield future rests on their largesse in this summer's transfer market.

Benitez was in no mood to curb the frustrations wrought by the loss to Milan in Athens, where Kaka-envy prompted an appeal to the club's American owners to invest in the expensive talent required for Champions League and Premiership success. Instead, he went much further; exposing a rift with chief executive Rick Parry by accusing Liverpool of prevaricating over transfers for three seasons, criticising the commercial arm of the club, challenging the sports tycoons to match the Glazers' spending at Manchester United - and all with the proviso that he has achieved as much as possible within the club's current financial framework.

By the standards of any leading manager it was a remarkable outburst but for Benitez, who has a history of confrontation with employers that belies his public persona and has spent £100m since his arrival from Valencia, this was a significant attack timed to capitalise on reaching a second European Cup final in three years and the Americans' first impending steps in the transfer market.

The Spaniard revealed that two "top class" signings in excess of £10m could be imminent at Liverpool - an outlay similar to his summer spending under the previous regime of David Moores - but what exists beyond that sum is uncertain yet liable to influence Benitez's stay on Merseyside.

"We must improve every department at the club, the sports and the business departments," he said. "If we don't change things right now and understand how crucial this moment is, we will waste one month, two months, two or three targets and then we'll start having to sign third-choice players and we'll have to be only contenders to be in the top four again. Nothing else.

"What do you want; to win the Premier League and the Champions League? The team that won the league this year spent £20m after winning the Premiership on one midfielder. Not a striker, £20m for a midfielder. Chelsea, Arsenal and United are spending money, big money, every year for the last five or 10 years. That means there is a big difference. We finished third with 82 points, a record for this club, but were nine points behind Chelsea. Now we've finished 21 points behind but reached the final of the Champions League because the work-rate of the team is fantastic and it is a knock-out competition. But we cannot keep the team for nine months at this level.

"We have some targets, cheaper [than £20m] but top-class players. We have one or two clear options and we must say: 'Sign him'. We can sign top-class targets for €15m to €20m (£10m-£13m) right now. Maybe we didn't have enough money in the past but now we have new owners who can invest £400m in the club. They want a new stadium full of people. Finishing 21 points behind United is something that, as a manager, you cannot understand. We need to do better things."

Benitez has never been afraid to challenge a club's hierarchy - he fell out with the then technical director Jorge Valdano at Real Madrid over interference in youth team selection and left Valencia because of financial restraints - and, worryingly for Liverpool, he compared his dilemma to that which drove him from the Mestalla in 2004.

"At Valencia we won the league for the first time in 31 years, but decided not to improve and we were fifth the next season," he said. "They thought we were winners and didn't need to sign anyone. It is the situation I am watching here in the last few years. They say we are close but we are not close."

Liverpool are at a critical juncture in their relationship with a manager who has won the European Cup and FA Cup in three seasons but is no closer to delivering the League than his predecessor, Gérard Houllier, and Benitez said he would no longer tolerate the hesitancy that has cost him high-calibre signings. In a loaded comment for Parry, whose position at the club may not be as secure as it appeared when the Americans assumed control in February, he said: "I am saying all this because, after three years' hard work, we have not progressed enough. I have confidence in the Americans because they say they will back me, but I want to see things happen now. There are issues that we need to resolve. We talk and talk but we never finish. I am worried about talking to players for six months, and then losing them."

Benitez confirmed that Bolo Zenden would be allowed to leave on a free transfer and Mark Gonzalez is close to a return to Spain with Real Betis. The release of two left midfielders may keep Harry Kewell at Liverpool for the final 12-months of his contract while, having started in Athens, Xabi Alonso is now inclined to stay.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/european/article2581119.ece

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It seems Rafa doesn't want anymore dithering in the transfer market.

Remember Simao, Alves, Vidic?
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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2007, 03:31:15 am »
Clearly the article is full of shit, the window is not even open yet.

Even James Milner deserves a place in the England squad before Pennant just to name one.


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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2007, 03:33:01 am »
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2007, 03:46:19 am »
"We must improve every department at the club, the sports and the business departments," he said. "If we don't change things right now and understand how crucial this moment is, we will waste one month, two months, two or three targets and then we'll start having to sign third-choice players and we'll have to be only contenders to be in the top four again. Nothing else.

"What do you want; to win the Premier League and the Champions League?
The team that won the league this year spent £20m after winning the Premiership on one midfielder. Not a striker, £20m for a midfielder. Chelsea, Arsenal and United are spending money, big money, every year for the last five or 10 years. That means there is a big difference. We finished third with 82 points, a record for this club, but were nine points behind Chelsea. Now we've finished 21 points behind but reached the final of the Champions League because the work-rate of the team is fantastic and it is a knock-out competition. But we cannot keep the team for nine months at this level.

"We have some targets, cheaper [than £20m] but top-class players. We have one or two clear options and we must say: 'Sign him'. We can sign top-class targets for €15m to €20m (£10m-£13m) right now. Maybe we didn't have enough money in the past but now we have new owners who can invest £400m in the club. They want a new stadium full of people. Finishing 21 points behind United is something that, as a manager, you cannot understand. We need to do better things."
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"At Valencia we won the league for the first time in 31 years, but decided not to improve and we were fifth the next season," he said. "They thought we were winners and didn't need to sign anyone. It is the situation I am watching here in the last few years. They say we are close but we are not close."
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"I am saying all this because, after three years' hard work, we have not progressed enough. I have confidence in the Americans because they say they will back me, but I want to see things happen now. There are issues that we need to resolve. We talk and talk but we never finish. I am worried about talking to players for six months, and then losing them."
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It seems Rafa doesn't want anymore dithering in the transfer market.

Remember Simao, Alves, Vidic?

Wow, that's brutally frank for Rafa.

He must be seething at the defeat, and he's turning to look for the reasons for it (he didn't have the players he'd wanted).

He may well be even more forthcoming in a Spanish interview, and more inclined to justifiy his own position.

The last part about complacency within the club (like Valencia), and endless talk (from the Americans or the management; with new targets or current players?), these sound very serious.

It's almost sounds like Gerrard's complaints of a few years ago, but far more pointed.
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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2007, 03:48:48 am »

He must be seething at the defeat, and he's turning to look for the reasons for it (he didn't have the players he'd wanted).


Did you see him after the game? Seething is right.

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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2007, 03:50:19 am »
In my opinion Rafa is 100% correct. Its about time too, might I add.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 03:55:04 am »
He's just being honest. Theres no need to sugar coat it when the evidence is as clear as day. For example, Simao was a fuckup of monumental proportions. That we left it THAT late to try and sign him, and still didn' get him was a joke, and understandably this time around, Rafa won't tolerate such incompetence.

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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2007, 04:03:37 am »
He's just being honest. Theres no need to sugar coat it when the evidence is as clear as day. For example, Simao was a fuckup of monumental proportions. That we left it THAT late to try and sign him, and still didn' get him was a joke, and understandably this time around, Rafa won't tolerate such incompetence.

Good thing we didnt sign Simao since he is wont do a thing in the Premiership.
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Aside from that Benitez looks to be playing a dangerous game, he has wasted quite a bit of money already, Rafa was the one who painted Mark Gonzalez in a picutre of glory, yet everyone was left disappointed,  Rafa himself also said that Mourinho should be careful about getting the sack if he spends all that money and gets nothing, if rafa gets the money and doesnt deliver, he will have put his money where his mouth is, and may lose his job remember Hicks said he holds people responsible for their actions .

On the other hand maybe Rafa made a smart move and got the cogs working already onsome signings making Gillett and Hicks work, and maybe in the next month we will see players agreeing to join on July 1st, but as we start to sign new players remember Lucas has already come for £7m

Even James Milner deserves a place in the England squad before Pennant just to name one.


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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2007, 04:06:33 am »
Good thing we didnt sign Simao since he is wont do a thing in the Premiership.

I actually agree with you on this. I was more pointing out the fact that we've had a recent history of not getting the players Rafa has wanted ie Simao, and the time it has taken when trying to sign them has meant we have missed out on others as well.

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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2007, 04:17:06 am »
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"There are issues that we need to resolve. We talk and talk but we never finish. I am worried about talking to players for six months, and then losing them."

yeah, I got sorta feeling like this. not only for the target players we want, it may be also for our current players. In the interviews back in this February, a player said clearly: "I'd like to stay and sit down to sign now if the club has a new contract on the table." But even till now (by the end of May), there is no any official news of new contracts signed. In news, they always say "they are talking about it", "they will sign soon", etc.

not want to blame the club or players, but I have no idea what's going on there, just like couldn't figure out what happened 2 years ago.


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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2007, 04:22:56 am »
Good thing we didnt sign Simao since he is wont do a thing in the Premiership.

Aside from that Benitez looks to be playing a dangerous game, he has wasted quite a bit of money already, Rafa was the one who painted Mark Gonzalez in a picutre of glory, yet everyone was left disappointed,  Rafa himself also said that Mourinho should be careful about getting the sack if he spends all that money and gets nothing, if rafa gets the money and doesnt deliver, he will have put his money where his mouth is, and may lose his job remember Hicks said he holds people responsible for their actions .

On the other hand maybe Rafa made a smart move and got the cogs working already onsome signings making Gillett and Hicks work, and maybe in the next month we will see players agreeing to join on July 1st, but as we start to sign new players remember Lucas has already come for £7m

He can afford to as he has choice.  He is that good.

I also agree with the rest of the post.  It goes two ways. 

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2007, 04:24:21 am »
Now's the right time to air out his frustrations.  What would Rafa achieve if he had the same war chest as the Mancs?  Once he can buy the same quality players, then he can really change his tactics to suit their strengths because once he's gone, it's going to be many years of waiting...

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 04:27:15 am »
Well, looks like Rick Parry screwed up on big players contract talk again, according to Guardian, Rafa is becoming increasingly uphappy that Xabi Alonso and Pepe Reina's contracts are still not settled yet.

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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 04:33:38 am »
Spot on Rafa.  If Hicks, Gillette & Parry have allthat faith in Rafa, then do what he bloody well says, give him what he wants, and see the results.  I'm pretty sure we'll all be satisfied.

If they don't think they can do that for Rafa then what is he, and what are they doing here?

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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2007, 04:40:04 am »
Crucial time right now in the life of this club and Rafa's place at the head of it. He has a vision, and he's starting to make his feelings known about those he doesn't feel share the vision. While it may seem harsh and some might complain that this is not how it's done, I think it is exactly what's required right now. Finishing 21 points behind United in the league is embarrassing, and I think he and his staff are very frustrated by things behind the scenes. Asking him this stuff right after losing the European Cup is going to give you answers heavy with anger and frustration, but the point is still valid. I think he's the man to drag this club to the top of the Premier League and keep it there, and Hicks and Gillett should pay close attention.

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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2007, 06:08:05 am »
I think Simao is overrated. I know it was just an example of how SSSSLLLLOOOWWW we have been moving for players in recent times but I don't think Simao is that good and I don't think he plays hard all the time either.

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2007, 06:47:26 am »
Rare anger from Rafa, but good to see he's more open about his concerns instead of bottling it up. Actually I disagree that Parry and Moores have never supported him, we bent over backwards to sign Alonso and Garcia, and stretched credit to the breaking point to sign Kuyt.

But Hicks and Gillett have come in at the perfect moment. We're facing one of the most important summers in our history, and I hope to God nothing screws up.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2007, 06:57:18 am »
I have never seen a more upset Rafa after the CL final.  He was almost in a rage.  He's right after all as we cant just rest on our laurels and content with a 3rd or 4th or sometime very soon that prick Platini cut one of the England CL place and we are in trouble. This coming summer is going to be very crucial for us and also for Rafa.  We'll see
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2007, 07:04:10 am »
Of course Rafa is upset - his players aren't performing, lapses in concentration; he knows the fans are sad.
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2007, 07:10:09 am »
Of course Rafa is upset - his players aren't performing, lapses in concentration; he knows the fans are sad.
He also knows that Milan were there for the taking in the final, even if the players we have now had produced their top game he knows we would have been strong enough to win. So its little wonder that he has turned his attentions immediately to our lack of quality in key positions, its good he is saying how he feels and airing his frustrations.
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2007, 07:39:02 am »
The window opens July 1st doesnt it? how can he sign someone untill then?
Its good that Rafa is saying that if he is, as come that time, he will already have players and money ready to deal early, as its best to get the choice of a full shelf, than the rest of the dregs in the reduced section at closing time !!  ;D
Only 5 weeks and 2 days! Lets get shopping!! I Cant wait to see who we are bringing in, just hope theres not to many leaving, apart from who we already know of!! ???

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2007, 07:44:20 am »
The window opens July 1st doesnt it? how can he sign someone untill then?
Its good that Rafa is saying that if he is, as come that time, he will already have players and money ready to deal early, as its best to get the choice of a full shelf, than the rest of the dregs in the reduced section at closing time !!  ;D
Only 5 weeks and 2 days! Lets get shopping!! I Cant wait to see who we are bringing in, just hope theres not to many leaving, apart from who we already know of!! ???
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2007, 08:08:26 am »
I think Simao is overrated. I know it was just an example of how SSSSLLLLOOOWWW we have been moving for players in recent times but I don't think Simao is that good and I don't think he plays hard all the time either.

Luckily Rafa does, and he knows vastly more than you about him. He is a genuis and we should trust him :)

Parry seems to have pissed Rafa off, dangerous if he crosses Rafa.
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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2007, 08:17:50 am »
Meanwhile the owners have vowed to back Rafa once more..

 Liverpool co-owner George Gillett has vowed to back Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez in the transfer market.

Benitez has warned the side needs major investment if it is to challenge for the Premiership next season.

Gillett and co-owner Tom Hicks are ready to make funds available so that Benitez can bolster the squad.

"If Rafa said he wanted to buy 'Snoogy Doogy', we would back him," Gillet told the Daily Telegraph.

Gillett also revealed he would back any move to bring Michael Owen back to the club, but admitted Benitez would have the final say on any transfers.

"He [Owen] is a great player but it is down to Rafa's recommendation, not us," added Gillett.

"Rafa's feeling is we need more depth because of the rigours of the schedule to be competitive.

"In every sport I participate in, there is a difference between a league season and the play-offs.

"That's where the genius of the manager is so essential and that's where Tom and I have to defer to his background and genius."

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2007, 08:18:57 am »
Basically, we were left with a sub-par squad - three or four players aside - after GH's departure and Rafa had to boost that. Yet it could've been boosted to a superior degree if he'd been afforded the cash to sign his top targets in certain positions. If he'd been handed an extra £20m over the last couple of years we could be seeing the likes of Alves and other first choice signings plying their trade in a red shirt already.

It's very easy to see why he is frustrated when the margins are so fine. Can you imagine Alex Ferguson going to his board and saying "I need 18m for Michael Carrick" and then having them say "Ohhh....can you cut that to 10m, Sir?". He'd probably have whoever denied him out of a job. Imagine if, when asking for 30m to capture Rio Ferdinand, they pointed to the availability of Titus Bramble?

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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2007, 08:19:10 am »
Taken out of context. Shame on the media

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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2007, 08:19:30 am »
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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2007, 08:20:44 am »
I hope he doesnt build up a player before he even put feet in Liverpool....im thinking of Gonzo here!  If we dont win anything next year and we spent loads of bucks expect Rafa to be on the gliotine! Lets hope he get it right!
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2007, 08:26:01 am »
 I thought Rafa was more commenting on how fucking useless Parry is, transfers cocked up, ticket fiasco and problems with players hotel rooms in Athens!

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« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2007, 08:28:05 am »
He was and is. Parry is obviously the target for this.
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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2007, 08:28:46 am »
I hope he doesnt build up a player before he even put feet in Liverpool....im thinking of Gonzo here!
He have to, otherwise he won't get a work permit. It was supposed to be a loan deal at first so he hardly had any trust in Gonzo.

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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2007, 08:32:40 am »
Quick question (off topic apologies) Is here a reason I can't start topics on this forum - is it a privelege reserved for a set few or am I simply not spotting where I should click!?

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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2007, 08:49:41 am »
He also knows that Milan were there for the taking in the final, even if the players we have now had produced their top game he knows we would have been strong enough to win. So its little wonder that he has turned his attentions immediately to our lack of quality in key positions, its good he is saying how he feels and airing his frustrations.

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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2007, 09:06:55 am »
for sure it must be frustrating for rafa.

i think in the last few seasons we could hope that we would win the premiership and rafa has turned the team into a very good unit. But realistically we have a lot of mediocre players in the team. The fact we have to play a final with Zenden on the left shows that. thats not too insult Zenden but he is nowhere near good enough.

We do need to spend money now on players who can do a job not money on players that might turn into greats.

in a strange way with parry when you have spent the last 10 years of the job trying to keep things tights when spending and always haggling than its hard to change your ways when you can spend.

i have faith that if rafa is allowed to spend than at least 2 out of his 4 buys would be a success, i dont think any manager could guarantee all would be.

I honestly believe next year will be the toughest premiership yet. Chelsea will want the title back and will spend to make sure.

united have bought a good player to cover the only weak area so will be a stronger force.

there are teams like newcastle / west ham / villa who now have new money to improve as well as everton / blackburn / tottenham who will get stronger.  Dont get me wrong none will be challenging for the title but they will be tougher away games next year.

we need to be spending big and not be be spending once we have got money from the sales of cisse / gonzalez etc etc like in recent years. 

i still dont think we will win the premiership next season (not saying we wont) but at least we may challenge longer than the first 4 months
 
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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2007, 09:16:32 am »
Sounds like an damning indictment of the incompetence of Rick Parry and about fecking time as well.

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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2007, 09:25:13 am »
Clearly the article is full of shit, the window is not even open yet.

ALthough officially the window is not open yet, transfers can be ironed out asap!
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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2007, 09:37:46 am »
it's Rick Parry he's a total fucking twat! It took him years to find investment, he nearly lost us gerrard and when he worked at the f.a in the compliance department couldn't bring anyone to book of corruption. so there's no wonder he can't close big deals, the blokes a total waste of fucking space, make moores the chief exec not honorary life president, this man  truly loves the club, a good business man that would get deals done!
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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2007, 09:39:26 am »
The window is open as far as signing Hargreaves is concerned. The mancs  can prepare the deal now in readiness for the official signing. This is exactly Rafas point. You crack on now. Get in first on players who you have identified.

We do not have experience with players contracts but we do deal with the TO and shop. They are both well below the standards you find on the high street nowadays. Customer service has improved so much in the last 10 yrs so that the guy with the money is treated well.They want us to part with our cash.

Not so at LFC. The ticket office has been lambasted for years and is still in the 90's. The shop is apathetic and rarely gets things right,especially through on line ordering. Maybe they make a profit too easily and don't have to try.

We all know who presides over this. Its time something was done to bring the club into line with what is happening in other organisations.
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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2007, 09:40:50 am »
For fucks sake i hope Hicks and Gillette give Raffa the money. I do not want to go through this losing again. Funnily enough i thought Raffa looked angry when interviewed esrait after the final. For fucks sake give him the cash!

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Re: Is Rafa losing Patience with our transfer blundering?
« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2007, 09:41:30 am »
Fuck Snoogy Doogy!