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Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« on: March 29, 2007, 09:09:10 PM »
dont jump on me guys but just a passing thought was why do we spend most of our time going after the above mentioned. They were not the first to broadcast the lies and slander and not the last. is there any reason we dont talk about the other rags that printed this crap. pls believe me when i say i am NOT sticking up for him or the S*n. i refuse to let that rag in my house and my JFT stickers adorn my motorbike with pride. its just an honest question. i believe the sheffield post were the first to print this crap. pls correct me if im wrong or out of order.


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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2007, 11:41:15 PM »
I think (only my understanding) is that they were considered the worst, and "The Truth" headline obviously was the boldest  out the lot. Ive seen the Star front page and it was nearly as bad. It surprises me that so many Reds , and generally lads in Liverpool, buy the STar. Anyway, if youre interested I remeber me sister done a project about Hillsborough, and theres an excellent book (its not an easy read in the sense that its just pages and pages of who reported what) think it was in Central Library, and its basically all about the press response to the disaster. Il try and find out what its called, was gonna get it out anyway.
Taylor Report 278 ""It is fair to say that over many years the South Yorkshire Police have given excellent service to the public...Unforunately, their policing on April 15 broke down in the ways described, and although there were other causes, the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control."
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2007, 12:36:29 AM »
in regard to mackenzie, it seems evident from the after dinner speech in newcastle and recent comments, that he still actually believes the story, despite forensic evidence against it, i.e. no evidence to substantiate "the truth" claims.

also the fact that that story was him on the warpath, the quote from the history of the sun about the incident in regard to it being a classic smear says it all really.

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2007, 01:26:08 AM »
Difference on the papers was the others realised they were telling lies and apologised. Mackenzie won't as he's a fucking twat.
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2007, 01:31:58 AM »
As Jon said, the others apologised - the Star within a couple of days if I remember correctly.
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 01:44:04 AM »
I'm biting my tongue here, but if you come on a site like this you really ought to be better informed. I know we are supposed to "educate" but sometimes I despair. Can you really not have done a bit more research - even on this very site - before asking a question like that?
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2007, 03:08:34 PM »
On 18th April The Sun’s comment piece reflected much that had been written and broadcast elsewhere as the media rushed to judgement. People had died ‘because thousands of fans, many without tickets, tried to get into the ground just before kick-off – either by forcing their way in or by blackmailing the police into opening the gates’.  On the same day, however, the Sheffield Star had a different front page: ‘FANS IN DRUNKEN ATTACKS ON THE POLICE: Ticketless thugs staged crush to gain entry’. It went on to describe ‘the sickening story the police are piecing together’, that ‘yobs’ had ‘attacked an ambulanceman’ threatened firemen and punched and urinated on policemen as they gave the kiss of life to stricken victims’. Significantly, the Daily Mail quoted the Police Federation’s Paul Middup who was ‘sick of hearing how good the crowd were … They were arriving tanked up on drink and the situation faced by the officers trying to control them was quite simply terrifying’. By the evening BBC TV broadcasts ‘drunkenness’ was identified by the police as a ‘major factor in the crowd problems that led to the deaths’. Middup reiterated his comments that fans had been ‘drinking heavily’. Irving Patnick, Tory MP for Sheffield Hallam, concurred with Middup. ITN’s News at Ten carried interviews with both and Middup stated that fans, the worse for drink, were ‘hell-bent on getting in’ and ‘500 plus’ were without tickets. Patnick commented that police officers had told him that ‘they had been trying to save lives, that they’d been attacked by some of the fans, they’d been kicked and punched when giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and people were urinating on them from the balcony above where they were working’.

And so to the 19th April. The Sun cleared its front page: ‘THE TRUTH: some fans picked pockets of victims; Some fans urinated on the brave cops: Some fans beat up PC giving kiss of life. Other front pages echoed the previous day’s Sheffield Star story: DEAD FANS ROBBED BY DRUNK THUGS (Daily Star); ‘vile fans fought us as we tried to help the dying’ (Daily Mail); ‘POLICE ACCUSE DRUNKEN FANS: Police saw ‘sick spectacle of pilfering from the dying’ (Daily Express); ‘Police hit back at the fans’ (The Times); Liverpool pickpockets ‘pounced on the dead’ (Yorkshire Post); ‘Yobs in ‘sex jibes over girl’s corpse’ (Sheffield Star); ‘Heavy drinking’ among fans who besieged ground’ (Daily Telegraph); ‘Police tell MP of attacks on them as they helped injured’ (Daily Telegraph).  The allegations were repeated on all news broadcasts throughout the day. What was and remains instructive is that the South Yorkshire Police was the source of all these allegations. Given that the Sheffield Star began the worst of the allegations, why was The Sun singled out? It was a national newspaper with the biggest tabloid circulation. Its editor at the time, Kelvin McKenzie was fully aware of the impact nationally and internationally of the ‘story’. Initially he favoured the headline ‘YOU SCUM’ but was talked out of it for ‘THE TRUTH’. It was so absolute because he trusted his sources … the South Yorkshire Police. As did Margaret Thatcher, Douglas Hurd and Press Secretary Bernard Ingham who were briefed by the Chief Constable and other senior SYP officers on the 16th April. Ingham later wrote: ‘I visited Hillsborough the morning after the disaster. I know what I learned on the spot. There would have been no Hillsborough if a mob, clearly tanked up, had not tried to force their way into the ground. To blame the police is a cop out’. This doesn't exonerate him or in any way mitigate what cemented in the public consciousness one of the oft-repeated myths of Hillsborough. As a well-known press photographer commented at a public meeting in Liverpool soon after the disaster: 'After all, it was The Sun, what did you expect?'

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2007, 03:19:23 PM »
The "Truth" - The background, the actual publication, and evidence
exposing the claims as being false.

Truth –
1.   the quality of being true, genuine, actual, or factual
2.   something that is true as opposed to false
3.   a proven or verified fact or principle
4.   faithful reproduction or portrayal
5.   honesty, accuracy

The start of the reporting of the ‘untruth’s’ can be traced back to around 4.15pm on Saturday 15th April 1989, when Graham Kelly, the then Chief Executive of the FA, was interviewed by the BBC and he told them that the police had implied (Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield - match commander, who was in charge of his first major match and who gave the order for the gates into the ground to be opened earlier, had told spoken in the police control box that Liverpool fans had rushed the gate) that the gates had been opened unauthorised by the fans, thus causing the tragedy.
Mud had been thrown and a lot of it was to stick…….Stories flashed around the world and many newspapers (that extended way beyond The Sun – most, if not all papers originally condemned Liverpool fans) reported that drunken Liverpool fans were the real cause of the disaster.

I put the dictionary meaning of ‘truth’ at the start of this publication..........please keep referring to the actual meaning of ‘TRUTH’ and you will see a common theme of lies, cover ups, lack of honesty and even less accuracy. The truth – far from it.

On Wednesday 19th April 1989, tabloid reporting reached a new gutter low when The Sun newspaper (with Kelvin MacKenzie the then editor and on his personal instruction) ran the hard hitting front page headline ‘THE TRUTH’.
The newspaper ran three bulleted sub-headings with the following text –
'Some fans picked pockets of victims'
'Some fans urinated on the brave cops'
'Some fans beat up PC giving kiss of life'

The story that accompanied these headlines talked of ticket-less drunken fans forcing the gates and attacking rescue workers (police, firemen, ambulance crews, etc). It spoke of the dead and dying being pick-pocketed and being urinated on. A quote, which was attributed to an unnamed policeman (isn’t it funny how they, in the main, remain nameless), claimed that a dead girl had been abused and that Liverpool fans 'were openly urinating on us and the bodies of the dead'.

The Truth – far from it.

This sensationalism journalism was used at a time when the media circus had already labeled and painted the picture that the city of Liverpool (and its’ people) were rebellious and anarchistic.
Negative images and stereotypes of ‘scousers’ were important elements in debates about complex political-economic issues affecting the city. Much of the national press reporting in the immediate aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster echoed well-worn themes and assumptions.
What better way to fan the flames to the world than to run headlines, only days after the disaster, that virtually said they had killed their own and that those involved were less than innocent victims -  a political agenda to further put down the people of Liverpool and to sell more newspapers, without any regard for the grieving families or survivors feelings.

In their history of The Sun (Stick It Up Your Punter), Peter Chippendale and Chris Horrie wrote:'As MacKenzie's layout was seen by more and more people, a collective shudder ran through the office [but] MacKenzie's dominance was so total there was nobody left in the organisation who could rein him in except Murdoch. [Everyone] seemed paralysed, "looking like rabbits in the headlights", as one hack described them. The error staring them in the face was too glaring. It obviously wasn't a silly mistake; nor was it a simple oversight. Nobody really had any comment on it—they just took one look and went away shaking their heads in wonder at the enormity of it. It was a "classic smear".'
The legacy for those directly affected by the disaster was one where grieving relatives, trying to deal with their loss, were faced with an additional burden of defending the innocence of loved ones, mainly due to these rash, early, sensationalised, headlines. Survivors, many of whom had witnessed profoundly traumatising events and suffered terrible injuries, both physically and mentally (and are still suffering), were themselves subjected to the ‘finger of blame’. Despite the efforts of the all connected with the Hillsborough disaster to counteract the persistent myths relating to blame and causation, misconceptions continued to (and still do) influence debate.
The Sun's coverage of the Hillsborough Disaster was both extremely inaccurate and damaging for the newspaper. By all accounts it was entirely the doing of the then editor Kelvin McKenzie, the man who coined 'Gotcha' to celebrate the deaths of 368 Argentine sailors during the Falklands War.
‘The Truth’ headlines brought out feelings of anger in Merseyside (and beyond) and an immediate ‘boycott’ was successful. Thousands of copies were stolen and burnt, and even to this present day many shopkeepers refuse to stock this comic of a newspaper. The Hillsborough Justice Campaign also organised a national boycott of the ‘paper’, which again hit its sales. Even fifteen years after the Hillsborough disaster, the circulation of The Sun in Liverpool is still believed to be only 12,000 copies a day where previously it was around 200,000.
As stated earlier, it wasn’t just The Sun (in the immediate aftermath of the disaster) that peddled the vicious lies but it was The Sun’s hard hitting headlines and their refusal to back down (a quick apology, etc….) that would stay, rightly, in the minds of many in the region.

Lord Justice Taylor's official inquiry into the disaster disparaged The Sun's story and was unequivocal as to the disaster's cause: 'The real cause of the Hillsborough disaster [was] overcrowding, the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control.'
Taylor had clearly laid the blame of the disaster with the police and general organisation (choice of venue, etc…..).
Nowhere did it mention drunken fans pick pocketing the dead or dying.
Nowhere did it mention fans urinating on the emergency workers.
Nowhere did it mention fans beating up a PC who was giving someone the kiss of life.
All the lies The Sun had peddled (which had been allegedly fed to them from un-named police sources) had been proved to be completely un-true……lies, lies and more lies had been used to cover up the real reasons of the disaster, from a panicking police force (amongst others), possibly worrying about their pension funds and early retirements, rather than the truth.
Taylor’s report proved that all these unsupported allegations from anonymous police officers or quotes from the Police Federation, were found to have been distorted or completely fabricated.
MacKenzie tried to explain his newspapers reporting on the disaster (specifically The Truth headlines and report) in 1993 when talking to a House of Commons National Heritage Select Committee.
Trying to wash his hands of any blame for publishing ‘The Truth’ headlines and story (and it’s not the last time) he said “I regret Hillsborough. It was a fundamental mistake. The mistake was I believed what an MP said. It was a Tory MP. If he had not said it and the chief superintendent (David Duckenfield) had not agreed with it, we would not have gone with it." This explanation (explanation not apology take note) was not accepted by the families and survivors of the disaster.
The Sun itself attempted a rather, to say the least, pathetic attempt at an apology. The apology was so called issued ‘without reservation’ saying it had ‘committed the most terrible mistake in its history’. This was issued on the 7th July 2004, over 15 years (yes, 15 years) since the tragedy and was also in response to criticism aimed towards Wayne Rooney, who had sold his life story to the rag. The so called apology was again widely not accepted.

So was ‘The Truth’ really the truth (or intended to be anything like the truth) ?
Truth –
1.   the quality of being true, genuine, actual, or factual
2.   something that is true as opposed to false
3.   a proven or verified fact or principle
4.   faithful reproduction or portrayal
5.   honesty, accuracy
The answer to all 5 points above, in relation to the ‘The Truth’ headlines of The Sun would unanimously be false. The truth – far from it. ‘The Truth’ was based on un-named sources, who, from minutes after the disaster, tried to cover up the real truth, to enable them to clear their guilty consciences.
I will end with an extract from Kenny Dalglish’s autobiography:
Kelvin MacKenzie, the Sun's editor, even called me up.
“How can we correct the situation?” he said.
“You know that big headline – ‘The Truth’?” I replied. “All you have to do is put ‘We lied’ in the same size. Then you might be all right.”
Mackenzie said: “I cannot do that.”
“Well,” I replied, “I cannot help you then.”
That was it. I put the phone down. Merseysiders were outraged by the Sun. A great many still are’.
After reading this, if you were in any doubt before, there is absolutely no excuse to buy or even read The Sun newspaper, Liverpool fan or not. Please continue to educate people of ‘The Truth’.
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2007, 09:56:47 PM »
I'm biting my tongue here, but if you come on a site like this you really ought to be better informed. I know we are supposed to "educate" but sometimes I despair. Can you really not have done a bit more research - even on this very site - before asking a question like that?

to be fair if you're not from liverpool and too young to remember what happened, and with so much disinformation still around. Perhaps we need a sticky Re. this, I don't know?


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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2007, 03:45:12 PM »
good reply NickoH..

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2007, 08:46:50 PM »
yeah i'll second lemmo.

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #11 on: April 1, 2007, 08:01:59 PM »
some good replies here but redchiz, surely part of education is the need to ask questions. give ANY student a book and the answers are always there. maybe they would rather hear it from the horses mouth. and as Phil Scraton said to me "  if there's a question, ask it because there's many others thinking it ... and its led to posts that people wouldn't have known the detail of "

so ill stand by my post lol
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #12 on: April 2, 2007, 12:19:03 PM »
some good replies here but redchiz, surely part of education is the need to ask questions. give ANY student a book and the answers are always there. maybe they would rather hear it from the horses mouth. and as Phil Scraton said to me "  if there's a question, ask it because there's many others thinking it ... and its led to posts that people wouldn't have known the detail of "

so ill stand by my post lol

You may be right lad and hats off to Phil Scraton and NickoH for taking the time and trouble to provide such detailed answers. I still feel a bit exasperated that people feel the need to ask though: I sdtand by the fact that the info posted in this thread has been widely covered before, both on these boards and elsewhere. That is not to say that there is no need to keep the debate going. I don't mind taking the time and trouble to educate people who are ignorant of the facts, but they tend to be non-matchgoers and/or non-Liverpudlians. But I just don't expect that level of ignorance from fellow Reds and that's what upsets me sometimes.
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #13 on: April 2, 2007, 10:04:24 PM »
my intention wasnt to upset. but the way i see it id rather ask than read, and read, and read. and tbh there is a LOT of material on this site and i dont have the time to trawl through it. 6 kids and a wife take it outta me lol. i do try to get facts from sites but sometimes i look for the easy way out. im not ignorant, just busy and inquisitive.  :wave
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #14 on: April 3, 2007, 12:31:40 AM »
im not ignorant, just busy and inquisitive.  :wave

And a bit lazy.  ;)

You have been very dignified and respectful in your follow-up posts. I am sorry if I came across a tad harshly at the outset.  :wave
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #15 on: April 3, 2007, 01:37:15 AM »
my intention wasnt to upset. but the way i see it id rather ask than read, and read, and read. and tbh there is a LOT of material on this site and i dont have the time to trawl through it. 6 kids and a wife take it outta me lol. i do try to get facts from sites but sometimes i look for the easy way out. im not ignorant, just busy and inquisitive.  :wave

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #16 on: April 3, 2007, 07:24:01 AM »
yea. one day ill look back and laugh. i hope anyway.  gotta say what you think redchiz. if not theres no point. your points are valid and noted and i appreciate the replies. ;D
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #17 on: April 3, 2007, 02:08:40 PM »


I'm biting my tongue here, but if you come on a site like this you really ought to be better informed. I know we are supposed to "educate" but sometimes I despair. Can you really not have done a bit more research - even on this very site - before asking a question like that?

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Don't think that's fair at all.

If you make people afraid to ask questions on one hand, then you can't really expect them to know the answers on the other. If 'education in the key' then questions have to be asked and answers given. That's my veiw anyway.

Harvest Fields, as has been said above The Star apologised the next day after it realised it's mistake. The Sun stuck with it, and McKenzie as recently as last year said he still believes he was "right then, and right now"  :wanker

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #18 on: April 3, 2007, 06:36:11 PM »
yea im all with the sun and star, and what happened. mackenzie was , is and always be lowlife. we will never get a heartfelt apology from that tossbag. any apology will be false. and im all for the campaign to keep him off our screens and radio. i suppose my original post wasnt best worded. not good like that lol. but thank you all for setting me straight.
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #19 on: April 4, 2007, 09:18:46 AM »
yea im all with the sun and star, and what happened. mackenzie was , is and always be lowlife. we will never get a heartfelt apology from that tossbag. any apology will be false. and im all for the campaign to keep him off our screens and radio. i suppose my original post wasnt best worded. not good like that lol. but thank you all for setting me straight.
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #20 on: April 4, 2007, 11:43:11 PM »
This isnt a backhanded dig at Grego or anyone else who asks questions....being a young'un at the time I had to educate myself to understand EXACTLY just what went on. The most enlightening information you'll find comes from survivors and people who lost loved ones, you'll find shitloads on here, and on all the other LFC sites...

But heres a few sites to read up on before you ask questions....just search "Hillsborough Disaster" on Google

The best one to research...
http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/home.shtm

Or if you'd like something abit more diluted...maybe for a young'un?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

Then if theres anything you feel unsure of-just ask someone...the more people know the truth the better.

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2007, 08:56:30 PM »
This isnt a backhanded dig at Grego or anyone else who asks questions....being a young'un at the time I had to educate myself to understand EXACTLY just what went on. The most enlightening information you'll find comes from survivors and people who lost loved ones, you'll find shitloads on here, and on all the other LFC sites...

But heres a few sites to read up on before you ask questions....just search "Hillsborough Disaster" on Google

The best one to research...
http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/home.shtm

Or if you'd like something abit more diluted...maybe for a young'un?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

Then if theres anything you feel unsure of-just ask someone...the more people know the truth the better.

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only just saw this. doesn't come across as a dig at all.  :) (altho for the record, i've only asked 2 questions)

now, after having absorbed every word on the HJC site x 1039584738 (and counting), i have no problem asking questions.

everyone has their own reasons for wanting to know particular things, e.g. the HJC site wouldn't categorically answer the original question in this thread.


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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2007, 11:09:15 PM »
only just saw this. doesn't come across as a dig at all.  :) (altho for the record, i've only asked 2 questions)

now, after having absorbed every word on the HJC site x 1039584738 (and counting), i have no problem asking questions.

everyone has their own reasons for wanting to know particular things, e.g. the HJC site wouldn't categorically answer the original question in this thread.

in search of truth and justice.............. :) :wave

In hindsight it probably wasnt the best use of words to start me original post off Grego, glad you took it how it was meant...

Your way of thinking should be taken up by more...

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #23 on: May 2, 2007, 04:34:22 AM »
Feel free anytime to ask any question.
Me too.  I was there ,and feel it's right that everybody should know what happened that day, I haven't checked in here that often in the past, but I will from now on. If anyone needs to chat / learn / vent anger....I'll listen
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« Reply #24 on: May 2, 2007, 11:11:51 PM »
Anybody who buys the star or the daily mirror or any of those scumfuck tabloids is just as much a twat as someone who buys The Sun.

Fact.

Hate it when i get some c*nt with the daily mirror under his arm lecturing people about The Sun.

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« Reply #25 on: May 2, 2007, 11:57:02 PM »
Anybody who buys the star or the daily mirror or any of those scumfuck tabloids is just as much a twat as someone who buys The Sun.

Fact.

Hate it when i get some c*nt with the daily mirror under his arm lecturing people about The Sun.


 the boycott  is specifically focussed on the Sun and MacKenzie.

loads of people on here know more about it than me but this from wiki is a summary.

On January 2005 The Sun's managing editor Graham Dudman claimed their coverage of the Hillsborough disaster was "the worst mistake in their history", he further added, "What we did was a terrible mistake. It was a terrible, insensitive, horrible article, with a dreadful headline; but what we'd also say is: we have apologised for it, and the entire senior team here now is completely different from the team that put the paper out in 1989." Although Dudman made this claim/apology in January 2005 he rehired Kelvin MacKenzie (the editor responsible for their biggest mistake in history) as a columnist in May 2006, furthermore, on January 11, 2007, MacKenzie went on record as a panellist on BBC1's Question Time as saying the apology he made after the disaster was a hollow one, forced upon him by the paper's proprietor, Rupert Murdoch. MacKenzie further claimed he was not sorry "for telling the truth" but he admitted that he did not know for sure whether some Liverpool fans urinated on the police, or robbed victims.[6]
Eddie Spearitt, who lost his son in the tragedy, said, "As I lay in my hospital bed, the hospital staff kept copies of The Sun away from me. It's bad enough when you lose your fourteen-year-old son because you're treating him to a football match. But since then I've had to defend him against all the rubbish printed by The Sun. The Sun made a full page apology on July 7, 2004 15 years after the disaster,



15 years to apologise !!- and then in a manner that was seen to be self serving.


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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #26 on: May 3, 2007, 08:55:45 AM »
mackenzie was almost solely responsible for the smear.
mackenzie still believes it is all true.

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« Reply #27 on: May 3, 2007, 10:49:33 PM »
youre wrong about the mirror. S*n has a far worst past. Mirror often talks about Hillsborough and has some good lads on like Reade and Derek Mcgovern. That said ive vowed to stop buying tabloids a while ago. Theyre all crap
Taylor Report 278 ""It is fair to say that over many years the South Yorkshire Police have given excellent service to the public...Unforunately, their policing on April 15 broke down in the ways described, and although there were other causes, the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control."
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« Reply #28 on: May 3, 2007, 11:58:50 PM »
Anybody who buys the star or the daily mirror or any of those scumfuck tabloids is just as much a twat as someone who buys The Sun.

Fact.

Hate it when i get some c*nt with the daily mirror under his arm lecturing people about The Sun.

If you refuse to buy the SUn, then you starve them of their beloved cash.

If you refuse to buy the Sun, AND buy the Mirror you starve them of cash while feeding their sworn enemy.

It's another way of hurting them, fact.

I worked in newspapers (neither of the afore mentioned I might add) for about 12 years and I know what I am talking about.



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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #29 on: May 4, 2007, 04:40:55 AM »
More informed people than me pointed out that the Mirror saw a business opening and took it.  Cynical BS all the tabloids

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« Reply #30 on: May 5, 2007, 11:24:54 PM »
Defo feel by buying the echo or mirror its 1 against News Int
Taylor Report 278 ""It is fair to say that over many years the South Yorkshire Police have given excellent service to the public...Unforunately, their policing on April 15 broke down in the ways described, and although there were other causes, the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control."
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« Reply #31 on: June 1, 2007, 01:46:23 AM »
If you refuse to buy the SUn, then you starve them of their beloved cash.

If you refuse to buy the Sun, AND buy the Mirror you starve them of cash while feeding their sworn enemy.

It's another way of hurting them, fact.


well said red-mike...starve the twats of income and they will go under, they spend tens of thousands on advertising and stupid give away gimmicks to try to lure the lost thousands on Merseyside...

well I got news for the Sc*m..

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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #32 on: June 1, 2007, 07:11:22 AM »
like another poster has said. all tabloids are shite. but i buy the mirror cos its better than the welsh papers i got down here.  ;) i only get papers for the footy etc.
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« Reply #33 on: June 1, 2007, 12:11:45 PM »
Sc*m = shite

MacKenzie = shite + a lying coward...

the Mancs = shite...
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« Reply #34 on: June 5, 2007, 11:07:53 AM »
Sc*m = shite

MacKenzie = shite + a lying coward...

the Mancs = shite...

Come on mate, don't bring the Mancs up on the Hillsborough forum.
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« Reply #35 on: June 5, 2007, 01:46:02 PM »
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sorry NickoH...

just force of habit...

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« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2007, 09:30:17 AM »
sorry to bring this up on this thread but didnt know where else to put this story (and didnt want to give this man and the S*n a new thread of their own)

I cannot find the exact quote(s) from the man, but as a Charlton fan (didnt know that to be honest) he was at the same game as me last saturday against Scunthorpe (Scunthorpe my hometown and first match in 2nd tier for 40 odd years).

In the paper he said something along the lines of 'when Charlton scored we all started singing We are Going Up, We are Going Up until 6 minutes later Scunthorpe scored. At which point I expected their fans to start singing We are Staying Up/You are Going Down but they didnt - instead they sang I'm Scunthorpe Till I Die. Now I am not scunnist or anything  ??? but I think if you sing that you are Scunthorpe till you die then you have very little aspirations in life'

Now I know this is like miles away from anything (offensive-wise) like the Hillsborough comments he has said in the past but still what a complete tosser. At best these comments about Scunthorpe fans last week are crass and offensive - at worst they show the mindset of the bloke. Bigoted, arrogant and yet for some reason alot of people like him.

If I had known he was there I would have made a banner and it would have been simple all right  >:(. Then I would have gone looking for him to twat him one.

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« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2007, 01:56:41 PM »
well said Rafa's 3rd leg...

any comparison with MacKenzie and journalism has to be taken with a very large dose of whatever is the most nastiest and poisonous...

the man is just a sad old fart who is trying hard to buy his way into the limelight by pissing us off because he knows that he will get the negative as well as his 'supposed' positive responses and attention..

spit on the twat if you ever see him...

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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2008, 07:17:25 AM »
Have the journalists that wrote the piece in the sun ever be sought after?
Harry Arnold and John Askill.

In the article they claim South Yorkshire Ambulance chief Don Page said one of his workers was badly assaulted. Has this man ever been held accountable over this accusation?

And Paul Middup. Whatever happened to him?
Promotion probably.

What gets me about the article is the bollocks about police being assaulted, while other police officers looked on.
Anyone with half a brain cell would know they would have called the riot squad out if there was any hint at police being attacked.
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Re: Why ONLY mackenzie and the S*n
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2008, 05:13:35 PM »
I've allways bought the mirror since.

Cant remember their headlines but after seeing the scums, well, it was the best thing to do anyway.
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