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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #280 on: March 19, 2007, 04:14:19 PM »
Why do people assume that Real Madrid would only give Rafa a few months to get things going? This thing about them sacking managers and interferring is overplayed. As I said before, the tide is turning at Madrid. Different board with different attitudes, all this galacticos stuff is gone.

There's elections due soon. There's no indication the board has changed one iota.  They still sack managers regularly and it may be argued that Rafa's style of football would hardly prove popular with the Madrid fans.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #281 on: March 19, 2007, 04:19:37 PM »
There's elections due soon. There's no indication the board has changed one iota.  They still sack managers regularly and it may be argued that Rafa's style of football would hardly prove popular with the Madrid fans.

Never thought of it like that- Rafa's a similar manager to Lippi- and I don't think that his style of play has gone down too well?

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #282 on: March 19, 2007, 04:21:29 PM »
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #283 on: March 19, 2007, 04:32:36 PM »
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Rafa's a similar manager to Lippi- and I don't think that his style of play has gone down too well?

No, especially as he's not their manager, Fabio Capello is.


But fair point, Capello structured game with two sitting midfielders and only Van-Horse-Face up front has not exactly gone down a treat. Although they did get a 3-3 at the Nou Camp.....not as good as 1-2 though!

The only type of manager they want is a successful one. And Rafa fits the bill perfectly there.

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #284 on: March 19, 2007, 06:18:32 PM »
Never thought of it like that- Rafa's a similar manager to Lippi- and I don't think that his style of play has gone down too well?

I feel there are some confusion between Lippi and Capello in this thread, earlier as well someone said Capello had got to three CL finals in a row, that was Lippi, Lippi has been in 4 CL finals, he has won one and lost two on penalties.

He also said after the European Nations celebration match at Old Trafford that the language barrier might be a problem for him in England, so it would probably not be a good idea to move there.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #285 on: March 19, 2007, 06:23:14 PM »
Never thought of it like that- Rafa's a similar manager to Lippi- and I don't think that his style of play has gone down too well?

Your obviously talking about Capello.

Lippi teams always play good football. His Juve team in the mid nineties was class.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #286 on: March 20, 2007, 06:59:23 PM »
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #287 on: March 20, 2007, 07:02:26 PM »
Focusing entirely on Liverpool at the moment.
Important to know the ideas of the new owners & for them to know his.
If Madrid offered him the job with money and power, what would he say? "I'm focusing on Aston Villa at the weekend"

Well, nothing new, didn't say he would tell Madrid to piss off if they came to him but hardly expected him to. Think Mark Bolton and Guillem Balague hyped that interview up a bit
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #288 on: March 20, 2007, 07:04:32 PM »
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #289 on: March 20, 2007, 07:05:25 PM »
Rafa is really pissing me off at the moment. Give us a fucking answer one way or the other.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #290 on: March 20, 2007, 07:13:00 PM »
I think if Rafa wins us number 6 he'll go.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #291 on: March 20, 2007, 07:16:11 PM »
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Lippi has been in 4 CL finals, he has won one and lost two on penalties.

What happened to the other final coz I only count 3?
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #292 on: March 20, 2007, 07:18:22 PM »
I think the one think they did get right was that it comes down to Gillette and Hicks and what they can offer Rafa and how much they will get behind his ideas and what he wants done at the club from top to bottom.

I'm confident that at this stage of his career and with LFC where it is, and with a new stadium on the way, that given assurances that good money would be available and the youth setup was to be sorted then he'd stay.

We're a good opportunity for Rafa to really build a legacy over a decent spell, something less likely at Madrid. He'll go there in time, but I don't think it'll happen just yet.

The other thing in that program that really grated was how well Alves has been doing and how teams are likely to be bidding £25m for him. I think it's this kind of thing that may push Rafa to leave. If from now on he's confident that the board will back him to get players like Alves as we supposedly could have last summer, for about £15m by all accounts, then he'll stay put!
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #293 on: March 20, 2007, 07:19:29 PM »
Rafa, don't take us for fools, mate.

We can see the big big plans that the new owners have for Liverpoool FC.  It's becoming pretty evident.  So don't use that red herring, to get yourself off the hook.  (sorry, but i do like my puns)

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #294 on: March 20, 2007, 07:25:18 PM »
Doesn't make sense, he's been previously talking about staying for 5, 10, 15 more years. He's said the club needs investment to compete - we get it. Even if we win no.6 the job is only half done. If Gillet and Hicks give hime the cash, he'd be a fool not to have a crack at bringing home no. 19. I think the problem is Madrid have offered him a whoppingly massive deal of a lifetime, all our boys have to do is match it and he'll stay.

If he does go, well at least we have a better squad than when GH left and as long as we get a decent manager (Hiddink, Maureen, Lippi - I'm sure there are plenty of other up and coming) we'll be alright.

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #295 on: March 20, 2007, 07:30:29 PM »
We're presuming cash will be there for Rafa in the summer because of the investment, Rafa just wants assurances, something concrete so he can start planning, if he hasnt sat down with the yanks yet there is a good chance he does not yet know what their plans are...

once he sits down with them hopefully his fears (is he has any) will be allayed and he'll commit his future.

cant say I blame him, if I got a new boss tomorrow i'd want to know what his plan for me was before commiting myself to anything

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #296 on: March 20, 2007, 07:36:08 PM »
I think it's all a red herring.

Isn't it so much of a coincidence, that this crops up now, at the same time Madrid have been linked.

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #297 on: March 20, 2007, 08:12:18 PM »

The other thing in that program that really grated was how well Alves has been doing and how teams are likely to be bidding £25m for him. I think it's this kind of thing that may push Rafa to leave. If from now on he's confident that the board will back him to get players like Alves as we supposedly could have last summer, for about £15m by all accounts, then he'll stay put!

This is what really pisses me off. Alves cost £2m more than we were prepared to pay. The reason we didn't have the money was because of the money pissed up the wall on making signings like Gonzalez and possibly paying the wages for Aurelio. Rafa, has had the money. He spent more than the Mancs this summer. So why should he be pissed that he wasn't backed. He was. If there's any problems, its his own doing. You can't blame the board on that score.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #298 on: March 20, 2007, 11:44:17 PM »
This is what really pisses me off. Alves cost £2m more than we were prepared to pay. The reason we didn't have the money was because of the money pissed up the wall on making signings like Gonzalez and possibly paying the wages for Aurelio. Rafa, has had the money. He spent more than the Mancs this summer. So why should he be pissed that he wasn't backed. He was. If there's any problems, its his own doing. You can't blame the board on that score.

we needed players on the left, traore left (thank god) and kewell has never stayed injury free. aurelio was free and gonzales was a necessary signing (despite his underperformance)

we needed alves as well and in addition. for god's sake, moores had to 'lend' us £10 mil to get kuyt, if we are going to compete we should be able to pay the asking price (which was quite decent at the time) for alves or anyone else that rafa likes.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #299 on: March 21, 2007, 12:10:11 AM »
bidding £25m for him.

They were talking in euros I think mate. The only time they mention the price in pounds is when an English club is involved and they were talking about his potential move to Barca/Real.

S'only about £18m isn't it? More than we should have paid but a price worth paying nonetheless.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #300 on: March 21, 2007, 12:27:01 AM »
I think that's naiive at best.

Real want a top top top manager. Rafa is one of 3 on the list. Real Madrid are his team. They will no doubt offer huge money to him.

I think what Ballague said is fair. Rafa is considering Madrid. He'd be stupid not to. Imagine if one of us got the chance to manage Liverpool? You wouldnt dismiss it out of hand, would you? But then I also think Rafa's a clever man. Real Madrid is not an environment he'd enjoy working in at the moment, and he still has a lot of unfinished business here. If Gillett and Hicks make the right noises and they agree to give Rafa what he wants (large transfer bugdet and complete control of it? new facilities?) then Rafa will stay.

It's all down to the new owners now. They can either say "no we're in control", in which case Rafa walks. Or they can say "we trust you, you are the man who will bring us the success we're after" in which case, Rafa's job is safe for the next 3 or 4 years, minimum. I'm fairly confident that he'll stay.

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #301 on: March 21, 2007, 12:33:13 AM »
S'only about £18m isn't it? More than we should have paid but a price worth paying nonetheless.

this summer will really show the ambition of the new owners, we need a couple of quality signings and they will cost.

alves and a striker (my choice would be darren bent) would come to around £25-30 mil

gillett and hicks need to show their intentions, their decisions this year will decide whether or not rafa commits longer term.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #302 on: March 21, 2007, 12:37:06 AM »
if we spend good money on Darren Bent, i will be very depressed

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« Reply #303 on: March 21, 2007, 12:52:55 AM »
I wish they would fuck off with their tapping up in the papers.  :no

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Real Madrid have identified Rafael Benítez, rather than José Mourinho, as the leading candidate to become their new coach and are planning to lure him from Liverpool by making an offer that they believe he cannot refuse. With the Spaniard unsettled at Anfield, as he awaits reassurances from Liverpool’s new American owners, Real believe that they can tempt him back to his native Madrid by offering greater control than any other coach has had at the Bernabéu.

Benítez rejected an approach from Real 12 months ago, partly because his misgivings about the regime that was taking shape in Madrid, but a series of changes behind the scenes have laid the groundwork for a renewed bid to sign the Liverpool manager. In recognition of the need to allow their next coach more power than they have given the beleaguered Fabio Capello, Real have made moves to marginalise Predrag Mijatovic, the sporting director, and to promote a friend of Benítez, Juan Ángel Sánchez, in a role as general manager that has been designed to avoid any conflicts of interest with the next coach.

Real plan to sound out Benítez via his agent, Manuel García Quillon, in the next fortnight, having detected that his position at Anfield is becoming unstable. The Spaniard expressed concern last week at the fact that he had not been contacted by George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, the American sports tycoons, since they bought a 62 per cent stake in the club in early February.

He was piqued by their failure to speak to him when they visited Anfield for the Champions League match against Barcelona two weeks ago. While he has since been placated by a number of conciliatory e-mails from the United States, Benítez is understood to be demanding serious reassurances when the Americans, whose takeover is complete, return to Merseyside for the Barclays Premiership match against Arsenal on March 31.

Last night, Benítez offered observations on the new regime at Real in an interview with Revista de La Liga, Sky Sports’ Spanish football programme. “From a distance, you know that they are changing things,” he said. “They have enough quality and players with experience. It’s difficult when you are in another country to talk about their squad, but they have very good players.

“I know that the people are talking [about him], but I like to be focused on my team because we are trying to finish in the top four [in the Premiership] and we are playing in the Champions League.”

That at least is encouraging for Liverpool, but Benítez is eager to know whether he will have the money to strengthen the squad in the summer. Although Liverpool have had success in the Champions League this season, Benítez believes that they are at least two top-class players short of a team who will challenge for the Premiership title next season. Gillett and Hicks have offered assurances that there will be money available — with those assurances backed by Rick Parry, the chief executive — but Benítez wants to know how much, with uncertainty about whether he will have the funds to compete for a centre forward of the calibre of David Villa, of Valencia, or Samuel Eto’o, of Barcelona.

“It’s important to know the ideas of the new owners and they need to know my ideas,” Benítez said. “It’s important to know what will happen in the future. Will there be a new stadium and maybe more money coming in? We need to do the right things.”

Liverpool are confident that Benítez will stay at Anfield beyond his present contract, which expires in 2010, and are encouraged not only by his commitment to investing in better players at youth level but also by his decision to buy a new house for his family in The Wirral. But they also recognise that the attraction of Real is strong for a man who was born in Madrid, supported the club and played for their reserve team before spending several years on their coaching staff.

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #304 on: March 21, 2007, 12:57:44 AM »
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #305 on: March 21, 2007, 01:00:45 AM »
if we spend good money on Darren Bent, i will be very depressed

but why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx8mQdjLmOY

ok it's a compilation but he's been great these last 2 seasons. he had 18 last season and is on par with any of our strikers this season, and that's in a crap team.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #306 on: March 21, 2007, 01:07:18 AM »
if we spend good money on Darren Bent, i will be very depressed
Me, too. I think we need to raise our standards and Darren Bent would not do that for me.

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« Reply #307 on: March 21, 2007, 01:10:17 AM »
What happened to the other final coz I only count 3?

They got spanked by Borussia Dortmund.
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« Reply #308 on: March 21, 2007, 01:10:28 AM »
Me, too. I think we need to raise our standards and Darren Bent would not do that for me.

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« Reply #309 on: March 21, 2007, 01:12:11 AM »
I'd take Darren Bent in a shot. He's a quality goalscorer and will thrive with better player around him.

The more British players the better, in fact, if the quality is available anyway. Not as many teething problems with the language and culture, and no season long setting in periods while they adjust to a faster, more physical league.

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« Reply #310 on: March 21, 2007, 01:14:13 AM »
The more British players the better, in fact, if the quality is available anyway. Not as many teething problems with the language and culture, and no season long setting in periods while they adjust to a faster, more physical league.

Aye. Bellamy and Pennant slotted right in.
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« Reply #311 on: March 21, 2007, 01:16:46 AM »
Aye. Bellamy and Pennant slotted right in.

Aye. Just like Cisse, Morientes, Biscan, Diouf, Diao, etc...

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« Reply #312 on: March 21, 2007, 01:19:11 AM »
but why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx8mQdjLmOY

ok it's a compilation but he's been great these last 2 seasons. he had 18 last season and is on par with any of our strikers this season, and that's in a crap team.

like Obi and Terry, I just don't rate the lad highly enough.

And compilations on youtube, mate,  give no indication as to how effective a player can be playing at a higher level.

You say he's had two good seasons.....but this year Charlton have been fighting relegation, so he obviously hasn't been that hot.

I watched him again on Saturday evening, on Match of the Day, and  i thought that he was very poor (despite the commentator raving about him when he was subbed late on)

If we were to get him for 3 or 4 million, then yes, well worth a punt.  but at 10 to 14 million, i would not be vaguely interested.


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« Reply #313 on: March 21, 2007, 01:23:13 AM »
Aye. Just like Cisse, Morientes, Biscan, Diouf, Diao, etc...

But you know best.

You're right. Every foreigner has taken atleast a year to adapt and most never have. Whereas every Brit has taken to a new club like a duck to water. My mistake.

Certainly no Francis Jeffers, Shaun Wright-Phillips or Jermaine Pennant situations in recent years.
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« Reply #314 on: March 21, 2007, 01:24:43 AM »
You're right. Every foreigner has taken atleast a year to adapt and most never have. Whereas every Brit has taken to a new club like a duck to water. My mistake.

Certainly no Francis Jeffers, Shaun Wright-Phillips or Jermaine Pennant situations in recent years.

This could go on for a while, so I'll leave gracefully.

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« Reply #315 on: March 21, 2007, 01:26:15 AM »
like Obi and Terry, I just don't rate the lad highly enough.

And compilations on youtube, mate,  give no indication as to how effective a player can be playing at a higher level.

You say he's had two good seasons.....but this year Charlton have been fighting relegation, so he obviously hasn't been that hot.

I watched him again on Saturday evening, on Match of the Day, and  i thought that he was very poor (despite the commentator raving about him when he was subbed late on)

If we were to get him for 3 or 4 million, then yes, well worth a punt.  but at 10 to 14 million, i would not be vaguely interested.



Bit unfair to judge him on this season because he's had a few injuries, but I agree.

To be honest, there's nothing about him in particular I dislike as a player. He's got 'good' pace and he's a 'good' finisher but there's nothing at all about his game that makes me think he'd be a resounding success at any one of the big 4. I just feel that he's neither a good enough all round player, nor does he have any spectacular traits to his game.

By comparison, someone like Tevez has had a far worse season, but there's clearly certain traits in his game that he is good at and could be world class at. His vision and sheer power, for example. I don't see similar traits in Bent's game.

Maybe that's just me...
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #316 on: March 21, 2007, 01:26:52 AM »
I think D.Bent could do a better job for us than some people like to believe, he is still young and he has scored goal all his life.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=28055

I would like us to aim higher, but if we should get one from England he would be my first choice.
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Just fuckin sign him!
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #317 on: March 21, 2007, 01:28:24 AM »
I think D.Bent could do a better job for us than some people like to believe, he is still young and he has scored goal all his life.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=28055

I would like us to aim higher, but if we should get one from England he would be my first choice.

Ruud Van Nistlerooy has scored goals everywhere he's been. As has Roy Makaay.

Wouldn't touch either with a barge pole though.
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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #318 on: March 21, 2007, 01:29:38 AM »
I think D.Bent could do a better job for us than some people like to believe, he is still young and he has scored goal all his life.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=28055

I would like us to aim higher, but if we should get one from England he would be my first choice.

Bent definitely isn't a big name player, Kaizer!  LOL I saw that before you deleted it!

We need bigger names. 

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Re: Benitez: It’s time for us to talk
« Reply #319 on: March 21, 2007, 01:31:28 AM »
We need bigger names. 

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