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The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« on: February 27, 2007, 07:39:41 PM »
I was going to post this after the manc game but it fits with the RTK campaign I think (although not related to).


Istanbul 2005, The Ataturk Stadium and the half time whistle has just blown to signify the end of a devastatingly efficient 1st half of football; AC Milan 3 Liverpool 0.

The white shirted players walking off the field with a relief and realisation that the job was done. Long lingering looks at ol’ ‘big ears’ as they walk past it into the dressing room. The air filled with jubilation as the players reach the sanctity of the dressing room. Just forty five minutes of work remained before the party could begin in public. No talk of tactics, the game was all but won.

The same public at one end of a full to capacity stadium were now in complete jubilation, time to unfurl the flag, make phone calls to friends back home who couldn’t make the journey or just sit back and soak up the “I was there” atmosphere. For most it was just a forty five minute walk in the park that remained to others the thought of maybe the biggest ever winning margin in a major final would be just a formality.

Roll the clock on two hours; the cup is being paraded round the stadium ecstasy all over the faces of players and fans alike; the team in red have made the most astonishing comeback in football history. The team in white, their fans, the world even are in utter shock and disbelief that what was theirs hours before was now in the hands of the opposition.

Less than two years later in a packed conference room in Nyon, Switzerland the draw has just been made for the knock out stages of the 2006-2007 Champions League. Holders and favourites Barcelona have just been drawn against Liverpool. The press mingle amongst club officials hoping for a few sound bites that will fill their column inches. Barcelona officials all too eager to please with a smug grin and a throw away comment to dismiss their recently confirmed opponents. The best outcome they could have hoped for had paired them against their preferred opposition; an easy progression towards regaining the trophy. Players were also queuing up to add similar comments of how they could not have been happier with the outcome of the draw.

Roll the clock on to 9:35pm on Wednesday the 23rd of February and this time the team in white have just secured victory in a game of football played out like a chess match. The camera pans into the crowd and picks out Samuel Eto’o, one of the players quick to dismiss the challenge of Liverpool just two and a half months earlier. Lionel Messi’s head is also down in disbelief as is the head of Barcelona President Joan Laporta; both looking dismayed at what they had just witnessed. For a mind so convinced of only one possible outcome the pill is almost impossible to swallow when the opposite happens.

Roll the clock on to today and the shoe is on the other foot. The team who have twice benefited from the outright complacency of other teams must now not allow themselves to be drawn into the same mindset. The manager who has plotted the downfall of AC Milan and Barcelona is focused and he will not allow the players to drift into the “we are through” mindset. The fans though seem to be falling into the trap. We rightly celebrated a stunning victory in the Nou Camp; the only English team to ever win there and for the second time. The celebrations are now uncomfortable and seem to be lasting too long; whipped up by the media frenzy that was equally disbelieving that winning in the Nou Camp was impossible (up yours Merson).

What could be in jeopardy though? The manager and players will be focused and they have the benefit of hindsight; they have witnessed first hand what happens if you take your foot off the gas. As a supporter for over thirty six years could I be over reacting? Internet topics, pub conversations just seem to have that uneasy feel at the moment. There is a distinct relaxed attitude towards the defining game of our season. The legendary Anfield atmosphere on major European nights will carry us through. Or will it?

The mythical game against St Etienne 1977, more recently the equally legendary Olympiakos and Chelsea games are all now down in club folklore as defining moments in the history of Liverpool Football Club. However they share a common thread; they were must win games that carried that bit of doubt that helped focus the mind. The level of opposition is only a part of the anticipation but the European night “edge” is created by that little thread of doubt more than anything. It stirs feelings from deep inside the gut of the discerning Liverpool fan; the feelings that draw out the ‘twelfth man’ element as the Liverpool crowd has been dubbed. Without that churning inside can we reproduce another memorable European night? Will next Tuesday be remembered for the right reasons?

I can remember our treble winning season of 2001 that had more memorable European nights and again Barcelona and Olympiakos amongst them. The one that stands out to me though was the 2nd leg against Roma. It was a night of celebration; the legendary Bob Paisley would be honoured by the club and the crowd with a fantastic three sides of Anfield mosaic. The football was a formality after all we were 2-0 up following a stunning smash and grab raid in Rome. What later unfolded must have put ten years on me.

The display of affection for Bob Paisley was amazing; a fantastic tribute to the most successful English manager and a true gentleman of the game. Somehow this became quickly forgotten just after kick off. After all we were just playing out a 90 minute stroll in the park with a massive two goal cushion. The crowd almost decided to nod off and set the snooze button to “wake me up when the next round kicks off” mode. Nothing much wrong at half time and an early 2nd half opportunity to put the tie beyond reach culminated in a penalty won by Emile Heskey [emphasize the word ‘won’]. Up steps clinical finisher Michael Owen, “Just slot it home Owen lad and I can nod off again” was the thought emanating from the crowd.

He missed and from that point the crowd received that slap in the face they should have had before they left for the game that night. Roma must have sensed the uneasy feeling in the stands that quickly filtered through to the home side. Mistakes were made, the crowd reacting with an uneasy moan; no twelfth man now just anxiety.
The inevitable happened when Roma’s domination was rewarded with a long range strike from Giovanni that hit the back of the net. Now the crowd was awake but the trouble was the reaction now made things worse with certain players openly criticised. They struggled to muster a decent song as reality of what was unfolding overtook logic. The lifeline came when the referee seemed first to award a penalty for handball against Babbel and then unbelievingly changing his mind to award a corner; a decision that finally seemed to bring the punch drunk crowd back to its senses.

History will tell you that we hung on and went on to win the trophy in May of that year after beating Alaves in Dortmund. Fittingly we finished Barcelona’s challenge at the semi final stage. The final itself, as is now customary with Liverpool, went down as probably (a plug for our sponsors) the best UEFA Cup final of all time with a 5-4 scoreline to boot. We also completed other memorable feats of achievement that season by adding both domestic cups to make our famous treble.

So what does all that signify? Well it gives us the hindsight required to focus our minds in readiness for what should be another memorable European night. It is an early call to arms so that we can ensure that when we leave for the match next Tuesday we need to treat this game with the respect it deserves. Don’t let us rely on Rafa and the players to efficiently guide us through the game; it is only half time so we need to be fired up. We need to hit Barcelona with the same wall of noise that greeted Chelsea for 90 minutes of the 2005 semi final 2nd leg. Dust off those flags and banners and make sure that it is the Barcelona players who are sat ‘punch drunk’ on the pitch at the final whistle. Let us make sure that everyone connected with FC Barcelona leave Anfield in full understanding of what it means to play against Liverpool with the famous Kop behind them. If you possess a ticket for this game remember the word complacency and how it can wreck hopes and dreams.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2007, 07:57:32 PM »
What could be in jeopardy though? The manager and players will be focused and they have the benefit of hindsight; they have witnessed first hand what happens if you take your foot off the gas. As a supporter for over thirty six years could I be over reacting? Internet topics, pub conversations just seem to have that uneasy feel at the moment. There is a distinct relaxed attitude towards the defining game of our season. The legendary Anfield atmosphere on major European nights will carry us through. Or will it?

A good post - but i disagree with just this one comment.

Yes, Milan thought they'd one it, but i don't thing they took their foot off the gas, as much as we just battered them senseless, and took our chances in those glorious few minutes.  They might have taken one eye off the match, but I don't think they particularly took their foot off the gas and played worse then in the first half or anything.

More so...Didi took Kaka's foot off the gas!  ;D
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2007, 07:59:03 PM »
Didi might as well have taken him off the pitch for the second half  ;D

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2007, 08:03:08 PM »
I genuinely dont think anyone is being 'complacent' about Tuesday night.

If Arsenal and Benfica are capable of winning at Anfield, this current Barcelona side almost certainly are too.

The first goal is crucial.


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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2007, 08:11:54 PM »
I genuinely dont think anyone is being 'complacent' about Tuesday night.

If Arsenal and Benfica are capable of winning at Anfield, this current Barcelona side almost certainly are too.

The first goal is crucial.



As i said on Wednesday afternoon, there's no point sitting and sussing them out for twenty minutes, because they'll get into the groove like they did last week.  I say we get straight at them and try hard to take a 1-0 lead into the break.  Would leave us in total control.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2007, 08:39:15 PM »
I'll be on the Kop and I won't be complacent. Nor anyone else, hopefully. I'm even going to leave the pub early! The critical thing is for the lads to get stuck in from the start, hopefully unsettle them at the back, but crucially not allow them a sniff of a chance for half an hour. Their own lack of spirit etc. (witnessed for the final 15 minutes last week) should then do the trick. Anyway, let's get Saturday sorted first.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2007, 08:46:52 PM »
While I won't be at the game next week I can guarantee you that I will be shitting myself watching.  I would like to bet that most of Anfield will be papping their pants too.  But i can also guarantee you that it will be an electrified shared and thunderous chorus of communal pappin that will compliment your pre-confirmed state of faeces swilling, such that you will be sinking so deep you may wish there was a bit more cockiness.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2007, 08:48:53 PM »
Good post.

I felt quite complacent for a few days after last week, but as the 2nd leg approaches I am still confident... but realising that we are far from over the finish line.

Thankfully Rafa will know exactly how to control the match and the outcome.  Its times like these you realise how lucky we are to have the master at the helm.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2007, 08:59:13 PM »
I feel confident but i think it will be very difficult for us.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 09:01:53 PM »
Good post, definately agree that we should not allow ourselves to get complacent.

Given the scoreline I am a little concerned, as history has shown that Liverpool seem to do better when they know they have to win the game and they are up against it, eg.Olympiacos, Chelsea, 2nd half Istanbul. In this 2nd leg I wouldnt say we are 'up against it', this tie is different from those mentioned as we are in the driving seat, we are in control, and its Barca who are up against, they know they have to win and im sure they will go out all guns blazing. We don't have to win, a draw or even a 1-0 defeat would be enough to see us through, and this certainly conserns me, as know matter what Rafa says im sure in the back of the players minds they know theyd settle for a draw as it would ensure qualification.
I hope I am wrong and I hope that we do go out aiming to demolish Barca, but just a slight concern I thought id express.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2007, 09:06:25 PM »
Every time I'm complacent about our chances we lose! I thought we were dead certs against Arsenal in both games this season.

You'll all be pleases to hear that I'm VERY nervous about both of our upcoming matches.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2007, 09:13:06 PM »
In some ways I'm more nervous about this now then if we were going into the game needing to score goals. We've everything to lose here and to throw away such an incredible result in Barcelona by losing the second leg and the tie would be very very hard to take.

We can definitely do it but we need to be at our best and fucking go for them from the start. The crowd needs to help as well, big time, there's a danger too many fans might go to the game thinking we're comfortable, we are for from it, get at them make noise, lots of noise!

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2007, 09:41:07 PM »
In some ways I'm more nervous about this now then if we were going into the game needing to score goals.

I know this sounds awful, but Im starting to think that maybe it would suit us more to be going into the game not in a winning position. Perhaps a 1-1 scoreline would suit us more as we would then know we had to go at them and score goals and win. In our current situation we dont have to score, or win the game....could this work against us?
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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2007, 09:41:31 PM »
I know this sounds awful, but Im starting to think that maybe it would suit us more to be going into the game not in a winning position. Perhaps a 1-1 scoreline would suit us more as we would then know we had to go at them and score goals and win. In our current situation we dont have to score, or win the game....could this work against us?
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2007, 10:13:46 PM »
The first goal is crucial.

I'll be very happy if there is no goals at all :D

Of course, the players have to stay focused as we cannot give the Barca players any sniff of a chance to take advantage of any sloppy pieces of play.

Rafa will set us up to control the match from start to finish, I doubt that we will look to attack them from the start. I have a feeling that Masch may start along with Xabi to control the tempo and keep possession,

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2007, 10:22:01 PM »
I genuinely dont think anyone is being 'complacent' about Tuesday night.

If Arsenal and Benfica are capable of winning at Anfield, this current Barcelona side almost certainly are too.

The first goal is crucial.



Think I agree but the fact that they know they have to score at least 2 goals makes me uneasy. The importance of getting that first goal seems to decrease and makes you automatically think more defensively.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2007, 10:25:47 PM »
Think I agree but the fact that they know they have to score at least 2 goals makes me uneasy. The importance of getting that first goal seems to decrease and makes you automatically think more defensively.

You can't play like that against Barca though, or else you'll suffer. Barca's only real weakness is in defense, so we have to attack them. The less time they spend in our half with the ball, the better.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2007, 10:28:41 PM »
I am complacent as fuck.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2007, 10:35:44 PM »
A good post, and all very true. Tuesday night is going to be an excruciatingly long painful wait away.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 10:37:43 PM »
I genuinely dont think anyone is being 'complacent' about Tuesday night.

If Arsenal and Benfica are capable of winning at Anfield, this current Barcelona side almost certainly are too.

The first goal is crucial.



Its a good Post BCCC but I have to agree with anfieldanfield, Barca do not become a poor team over night and they will be hurting from the defeat in front of their own fans. They will be set to do the same to us, the night will be a special one it was always going to be that way, and all the lads I speak to say we need to keep it tight for the first 25 mins. and play Bellas up front on his own. pack the centre wear them down get the doubts flowing. The players have to be focused from the off, if they are and with a crowd as noisy as ours they won't find it easy to pick their way through us.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2007, 10:56:28 PM »
A good reminder. Walking home after the game at the Nou Camp I thought the sun was shining, but I believe I am a level headed person.. and the scoreline of 1-3 at Anfield kept kicking me in the nuts. Luckily tho, they're made of steel.

The game is as finely balanced as you could wish for with me. There are still many many opportunities for a bad line call, a dive in the box, a deflected shot, an early moment of genius for Barca for them to believe that they're right back in it. It's obvious.

But I'm enjoying balancing that out with how so many people keep underestimating our side. Let them.. I just absolutely love hearing it.

I doubt the atmosphere will be exactly like the one for the Chelsea game (with the game having that little bit more needle in it etc) , but I don't doubt it'll be utterly magical either.

But the reason for posting this drivel was hearing how the lads reacted after we won in Barca... they sat reasonably quietly in the dressing room. No songs, no bigging up, no excessive celebration. I reckon we should cheer that - it's exactly the right reaction to have. Job half done.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2007, 10:59:17 PM »
I'm going to the game with the same attitude that I had last Wednesday, that we're going to get walloped. It is Barcelona after all - Messi, Ronaldhino, Deco, Eto'o, etc.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2007, 11:18:59 PM »
If there manage to score first I can see it being a very nervy tense game
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2007, 11:29:37 PM »
But the reason for posting this drivel was hearing how the lads reacted after we won in Barca... they sat reasonably quietly in the dressing room. No songs, no bigging up, no excessive celebration. I reckon we should cheer that - it's exactly the right reaction to have. Job half done.


Great point. Really pleased to read that, shows how professional we will be. That's the attitude Rafa has instilled in his players - after all, he never gets carried away himself.

I don't think anyone thinks it will be easy, and for once the team really should treat the game as 0-0, despite an advantage of one goal and two away goals.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2007, 11:50:14 PM »
I think this is the game for Mascherano, Bellamy and Gonzalez

Barcelona's going to push up for sure and they'll be weaker at the back.  Mascherano's like our Didi Hamann now - he'll be the plug between midfield and defense.  Carragher and Agger need to be at the top of the game. 

When they push up, we can use Bellamy on the right and Gonzalez on the left to harrass Barcelona.  Kuyt can go in the middle...

Maybe something like:

                            Reina
           Arebola - Carragher - Agger
Finnan              Mascherano            Gonzalez
                     Gerrard - Alonso
         Bellamy         
                              Kuyt

Either that or...........

                         Reina
Finnan - Carragher - Agger - Riise/Arebola
                     Mascherano
            Gerrard            Alonso
Bellamy              Kuyt               Gonzalez
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2007, 08:08:20 AM »
A good post - but i disagree with just this one comment.

Yes, Milan thought they'd one it, but i don't thing they took their foot off the gas, as much as we just battered them senseless, and took our chances in those glorious few minutes.  They might have taken one eye off the match, but I don't think they particularly took their foot off the gas and played worse then in the first half or anything.

I think the point is that their fans did, and when things started going wrong, their nervousness manifested in that of their players, who became edgy for a good period of the second half.

Fair play to Milan, they wobbled for about 25 minutes, but got themselves together and pissed on us in the extra time - they're a class act and you'd expect that.

The point of the post is about fans, not players, i think. As he says, Rafa won't allow complacency amongst the players, but any amongst the fans can rapidly turn to nervousness, which can paralyse the support and sends the wrong message to bothour and Barcelona's players. Of all the supporters in the world we know how much difference the crowd can make.

It's wall of noise time, ladies and gentleman.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2007, 08:59:06 AM »


Fair play to Milan, they wobbled for about 25 minutes, but got themselves together and pissed on us in the extra time -


Really? Apart from the Dudek double save, they didn't create much. I was never worried.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2007, 09:47:36 AM »
I think all the talk of the significance of the first goal is misplaced.

Unless I've missed something - the game situation does not change one iota if we score first.  

As things stand we lead 2-1 and Barca need to score 2.  If we score first, Barca STILL need to score 2.

Psychologically, scoring first would be very welcome on the night - but that's it.  And Barca will know this before kick-off - they'll know they can afford to concede one goal in chasing their two.

Makes me think that a Juve-type early onslaught is not the way to go.  We should just keep it water-tight from the first minute.  This isn't going to be a glorious counter-attacking tonking to emphatically seal the tie.  It's gonna be tight, hard working, disciplined, pragmatic football.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2007, 10:07:23 AM »
I think Barca will approach this game knowing that if they score 3 they will most probably be through. They know we'll score at least one due to the paucity of their defending and so will need to come at us and open the game out.

On this basis they are very dangerous as they are capable of scoring 3 goals anywhere. The tie is not over but we are in a great position. If they score 3 we need 3 which won't be easy. Even if we go one up I don't think the tie changes massively (though I would take it)

Rafa is not stupid and he knows we have to get the right balance between attack and defence as he knows they are poor at the back. We cannot just invite these on and with Anfield being a much smaller pitch than the Nou Camp we can press them nice and high and hopefully knock them out of their rhythm.

Nervy moments are ahead and I am certainly not complacent.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2007, 10:11:53 AM »
Good post, definately agree that we should not allow ourselves to get complacent.

Given the scoreline I am a little concerned, as history has shown that Liverpool seem to do better when they know they have to win the game and they are up against it, eg.Olympiacos, Chelsea, 2nd half Istanbul. In this 2nd leg I wouldnt say we are 'up against it', this tie is different from those mentioned as we are in the driving seat, we are in control, and its Barca who are up against, they know they have to win and im sure they will go out all guns blazing. We don't have to win, a draw or even a 1-0 defeat would be enough to see us through, and this certainly conserns me, as know matter what Rafa says im sure in the back of the players minds they know theyd settle for a draw as it would ensure qualification.
I hope I am wrong and I hope that we do go out aiming to demolish Barca, but just a slight concern I thought id express.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2007, 11:33:46 AM »
Superb post. Says exactly what I've been thinking for the last week. Let's not get complacent. We still need to get a result.

More importantly - we still need to beat the Mancs on Saturday first. One game at a time.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2007, 11:57:12 AM »
A good post.  However, if a certain Mr Eto is playing as I assume he will after his goal last weekend, I dont think there will be a single fan feeling complacent!

With him in the the team I think we will need to score at least 1 more goal ourselves too feel anywhere near safe!
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2007, 12:34:40 PM »
Good post.

It's definitely reassuring at times like this to know that we have the best manager in the world at the helm. Small details can make a huge difference in ties like this. All it would take to give Barca a head start is for one player to take to the pitch believing it's over. I'm sure that won't be the case, however. I think Rafa has put together a mentally tough squad who won't be taking anything for granted, and even if one or two of them were, I think he'd recognise it and nip it in the bud.

It's definitely true that the supporters need to make this a special Anfield European occasion. The atmosphere inside the ground really pulled us through against Olympiakos, Juventus and Chelsea in '05. It's easy to forget now just how unfancied we were to get past those three teams, never mind win the whole thing.

As Bob Paisley once said, the "This Is Anfield" sign inspires the good players and intimidates the bad ones, and I think the Anfield crowd did much the same thing on those special nights. The club's run to its fifth European crown was magical, and a huge part of that magic was Anfield. There isn't a ground in the world with an atmosphere like it, and I think we need that again if we're to make a similar run this time. I don't doubt that Barca have some special players, but they have a few dodgy ones as well. How will the likes of Valdez (who was rubbish over there), Motta, Belletti or Gudjohnsen do? (Actually, we all know how Eidur did on his last visit to Anfield, don't we?).

As far as events on the pitch go, I think what the 2-1 lead does for us is two things:

(a) It means we don't have to force things like we did against Benfica last season, when an average side ripped us apart on the break. Imagine what Barca could do.

(b) It allows for one moment of brilliance on their part, or one mistake on ours. Granted, with Djimi Traore no longer at the club, our mistake-count has been cut down considerably, but it can always happen. And if it does, it won't be the end of the world.

Again, it needs to be remembered that we have a wonderful manager whose attention to detail and knowledge of European football (in particular Spain) has few equals. I have no doubt we'll be set up right from the get go, and if Barca are going to go through to the quarter final, they'll have to play about as well as any team had ever played at Anfield.

Just two things worrying me. Firstly, I think we need to keep them quiet for the first twenty minutes. If they score early, it will give them a lift and put us on edge. Secondly, I do think we need to attack their weakness, which is their defence. I dread the prospect of dropping deep at any stage of this match, giving them the ball back, and trying to hold on. Not a good idea against a team as strong as Barca, who were stung badly in the first leg and will be going all out against us to get themselves back in the tie (and prevent what could be an aggregate embarrassment if they lose at Anfield). I'm positive, however, that the team will approach the match in the right way and get a good result, probably a draw. The first twenty minutes are key, though.

Just one more thing. Last Saturday I watched as members of the Irish rugby team cried during the national anthem before the match against England at Croke Park. Hundreds of years of history came to the fore in a stadium where the last English men who set foot on the pitch were the soldiers who opened fire on players and spectators at the All-Ireland football final in 1920. I immediately knew that England were going to get trashed, I knew it. They duly were, by a record score of 43-13. It's not very often that you know the certain outcome of a match before it's even started. But Anfield is that kind of stadium, and hopefully come 7.43 on Tuesday, I'll be given that same level of certainty by the Liverpool supporters.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2007, 12:35:43 PM »
As things stand we lead 2-1 and Barca need to score 2.
...to win

If we score first, Barca STILL need to score 2.
..to force extra time at a very, very noisy Anfield (imagine 30 minutes, all level vs Barca!)



I agree, that all out, shock and awe, Juve style attack would be wrong, but so would sitting back and giving them territory and possession.

We should be looking to get behind them when they push on. They are shite at the back and we should look to score.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2007, 12:38:14 PM »
Really? Apart from the Dudek double save, they didn't create much. I was never worried.

they had the better of territory and possession, and had a few half chances/good positions. We felt the need to drop our best midfielder back to full back. It was very much a rearguard action, though I agree they didn't make a pile of clear cut chances. Unlike you, though, I was shitting myself, until the Dudek saves confirmed that destiny had made her mind up, and I relaxed and enjoyed the pens!
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2007, 12:52:56 PM »
Roll the clock on to today and the shoe is on the other foot. The team who have twice benefited from the outright complacency of other teams must now not allow themselves to be drawn into the same mindset. The manager who has plotted the downfall of AC Milan and Barcelona is focused and he will not allow the players to drift into the “we are through” mindset. The fans though seem to be falling into the trap. We rightly celebrated a stunning victory in the Nou Camp; the only English team to ever win there and for the second time. The celebrations are now uncomfortable and seem to be lasting too long; whipped up by the media frenzy that was equally disbelieving that winning in the Nou Camp was impossible (up yours Merson).

Spot on mate. Quite simply, spot on.

There were feelings of jubilation after the Barca match and rightly so. But it is only half-time and let's remember that Barcelona are still the best team in Europe, if not the world. So let's leave the celebrations and the "Fuck you Messi for under-estimating us" for after the second leg.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2007, 12:55:22 PM »
...to win
..to force extra time at a very, very noisy Anfield (imagine 30 minutes, all level vs Barca!)



I agree, that all out, shock and awe, Juve style attack would be wrong, but so would sitting back and giving them territory and possession.

We should be looking to get behind them when they push on. They are shite at the back and we should look to score.

We need to play the whole game exactly like the 2nd half in the Nou Camp. Defend a reasonably high line whilst being compact enough to pass quickly and hit them on the break. It would be madness to go gung ho or totally defensive.

Any way, let Rafa worry about the tactics whilst we worry about providing the most intimidating atmosphere.
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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2007, 01:03:10 PM »
Same battle plan as away to Barca will do......tight, tight formation and hit them on the break, hopefully a goal early on and then try to control the game and do it again.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2007, 02:56:58 PM »
I think all the talk of the significance of the first goal is misplaced.

Unless I've missed something - the game situation does not change one iota if we score first.  

As things stand we lead 2-1 and Barca need to score 2.  If we score first, Barca STILL need to score 2.

Psychologically, scoring first would be very welcome on the night - but that's it.  And Barca will know this before kick-off - they'll know they can afford to concede one goal in chasing their two.

Makes me think that a Juve-type early onslaught is not the way to go.  We should just keep it water-tight from the first minute.  This isn't going to be a glorious counter-attacking tonking to emphatically seal the tie.  It's gonna be tight, hard working, disciplined, pragmatic football.



good point, hopefully if we do score first we aren't going to become complacent, unfortunately i won't be there on tuesday, but i was as nervous as hell in the nous camp last week and i will be just as nervous come tuesday night.

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Re: The Bitter Taste of Complacency: A Call to Arms
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2007, 03:19:02 PM »
We rightly celebrated a stunning victory in the Nou Camp; the only English team to ever win there

Clive Tyldesley would tell you otherwise ;)