Topic: Lauri Dalla Valle offered a 4-year contract

[-HH-]

he was pretty anonymous to be honest. improved over the year, but not even dunfermline's best player to be honest (i work with a few pars fans and got regular updates ).

Read this from about page 3 onwards - the reports from the visiting Pars and those who went on Pars forums seems to be wildly different from those you work with:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=160939.0

[royhendo]

Read this from about page 3 onwards - the reports from the visiting Pars and those who went on Pars forums seems to be wildly different from those you work with:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=160939.0

fair enough - I only saw him in the cup final and he did ok. nothing special.

the pars I spoke to fretted about keeping mark burchill and jim mcintyre fit - they didn't talk much about hammill.

the statement about him being one of the best players in the SPL is nonsense though, that's for sure. the standard up here's not actually that bad, and there are some genuine quality players outside the old firm again.

he's not getting a game under burley, which is a shame.

[-HH-]

the statement about him being one of the best players in the SPL is nonsense though, that's for sure. the standard up here's not actually that bad, and there are some genuine quality players outside the old firm again.

Both Rangers and Celtic wanted him, surely that doesn't happen unless you're one of the best players.

[royhendo]

Both Rangers and Celtic wanted him, surely that doesn't happen unless you're one of the best players.

you could well be right. as I say, personally i've only ever seen him play once against a good side in a massive game, and he did ok. i'm in no position to argue with you

fingers crossed he makes the grade anyway.

[Durango]

you could well be right. as I say, personally i've only ever seen him play once against a good side in a massive game, and he did ok. i'm in no position to argue with you

fingers crossed he makes the grade anyway.

Delle Valle signed a 5 year deal on Wednesday,that's the good news, the bad news,. we've missed out on John Cofie(Burnley) who as agreed to go to Man Utd

[Dundalis]

Hleb and Eboue as world class dribblers?? I beg to differ - maybe at a push Hleb, but Eboue - never. Eboue is more of a power house ala Essien, while Hleb has quick feet and train of thought but not a dribbler as Ronaldo is.

By the way, give the kids a chance - there's not that many games that Rafa can use to blood them into the Premier League.

Shows how much you've watched Eboue. Eboue is quicker than Essien and is more of a dribbler in the Wright-Phillips mould, but bigger and stronger. Has very good feet. Essien is more of a player that will sit, hold and pass the ball. Nothing alike. Eboue has had injury problems this season and hasn't been able to play like he did last season at right back at right midfield, where he was on fire in pre-season. I can tell you right now he'd be our best dribbler should he be playing for us.

Hleb is a fantastic dribbler. If you are going to use Ronaldo as the benchmark for a dribbler you are going to come up short pretty much every time. Hleb can beat players in his sleep and has decent pace when he gets going.

[Redcap]

This thread seems to have become the youth team discussion thread.

[Helsinki Red]

Liverpool's U17 and U18 teams played against each other a few days ago. Game ended in 3-3 draw. Dalla Valle scored a hat trick. He played today for Liverpool against Everton's academy. Don't know the result though.

[MattLFC08]

Liverpool's U17 and U18 teams played against each other a few days ago. Game ended in 3-3 draw. Dalla Valle scored a hat trick. He played today for Liverpool against Everton's academy. Don't know the result though.

Interesting. Thanks for that. 

[Capon Debaser]

Sounds like a girl.

it was the mention of his tits and his mary that made u think that yes?

 

[Macedonian_Red]

Very interesting article on Lauri Dalla Valle ...

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Lauri+Dalla+Valle+-+training+for+personal+independence/1135232518277

[-HH-]

Very interesting article on Lauri Dalla Valle ...

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Lauri+Dalla+Valle+-+training+for+personal+independence/1135232518277

Dalla Valle has had six months of practice at living on his own.
      Do you miss your mother?
      “Nope.”
      But don’t Italian men always miss their mama?
      “I think I’m a bit more Finnish, then”, he smiles back.

[ptyson]

haha - he's leaving his girlfriend behind in Finland.

Admittedly, she's in the 9th grade!

[vicgill]

Wasn't Hammill one of the players of the year in Scotland last season? Barragan would possibly be playing now and is fairly regularly in Depor's first team.

Anyway, when you see the stick youngsters like Leto have had after a couple of games in the first team you wonder how anyone can break through in an environment where anything less than a title challenge isn't going to be easily tolerated.

Sad but true


Edit...Young players always need encouragement, I dread to think how they might feel if they came on this site and read some of the remarks

[RED-EAZY]

how many youth players has rafa brought to this club, i hope i am wrong but we will not hear a word on this lad then in 6/12 months time there will be a small post on liverpoolfc.tv saying lauri dalla valle has been relised by liverpool fc.
(feeling really optamistic about our club at the moment)

[Monkey Red]

Looks like this kid has bags of confidence, hopefully he wont find it too overwhelming when he does break into the first team.  I´m quite excited by him (in a none gay way, of course).

[SadRed]

I am a bit confused here. Is he already at Liverpool?

We have tied up a contract I know, but I am not sure if he has arrived already.

[Art Vandelay]

I am a bit confused here. Is he already at Liverpool?

We have tied up a contract I know, but I am not sure if he has arrived already.

Yep, he's scored a few good goals already as well, apparently.

[SadRed]

Yep, he's scored a few good goals already as well, apparently.

And the official site or the english media has never mentioned a word on his signing? We are hearing all from finnish sources.

[Monkey Red]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7mnVv_rH8Y

A few clips of him playing in Finland.

[Helsinki Red]

More young Finns coming to Liverpool.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_3110840,00.html

[Jack Slater]

how many youth players has rafa brought to this club, i hope i am wrong but we will not hear a word on this lad then in 6/12 months time there will be a small post on liverpoolfc.tv saying lauri dalla valle has been relised by liverpool fc.
(feeling really optamistic about our club at the moment)

Reserves doin well in the league.

Youth team FAC winners 2 years running, and have knocked Arsenal out this year too.

Course load of guys we sign will never make it.  Same for everyone, including Wenger.  It doesnt mean the scouting or coaching is at fault.  It just means that you can't be certain that any 15 year old - no matter how good for his age - will ever make it as a pro, let alone as a top flight pro, let alone at a European giant.

[ouestlereferee]

Reserves doin well in the league.

Youth team FAC winners 2 years running, and have knocked Arsenal out this year too.

Course load of guys we sign will never make it.  Same for everyone, including Wenger.  It doesnt mean the scouting or coaching is at fault.  It just means that you can't be certain that any 15 year old - no matter how good for his age - will ever make it as a pro, let alone as a top flight pro, let alone at a European giant.

agreed.

What I would like is competition for places throughout the club i.e. Ajdarevic pushes for a slot in the ressies because Dalla Valle is coming behind him in the ressies... at ressie level Ajdarevic can take the 10 shirt from Pacheco who pushes up to the first team & pushes Voronin out!

[Emo Phillips]

Reserves doin well in the league.

Youth team FAC winners 2 years running, and have knocked Arsenal out this year too.

Course load of guys we sign will never make it.  Same for everyone, including Wenger.  It doesnt mean the scouting or coaching is at fault.  It just means that you can't be certain that any 15 year old - no matter how good for his age - will ever make it as a pro, let alone as a top flight pro, let alone at a European giant.

Indeed. We have about 40-50 kids between 16 and 19 who are promising.

But the law of averages says hardly any will end up being as good as Gerrard, Torres, Mascharno, Reina and Agger, for example, because only a handful in the entire world are as good in their positions/roles, and until a manager can field 50 players at once, of course 90% of those will be released or sold.

The difference is these kids, if they don't make the grade, will be worth a bit of money. Guthrie is worth £3m. Carson is worth £7m. And Barragan came in for £200,000-odd, and was sold for three times that much. That all helps fund new signings.

And if two or three can push into the first team squad every year or two, we'll be in a good position.

[ouestlereferee]

And if two or three can push into the first team squad every year or two, we'll be in a good position.

This really would be fantastic....

Remember though that Nemeth, Dalla Valle etc are all different ages so they'd probably come through in different years....
E.g.
Year 1 - Insua, Nemeth, Spearing(?), Pacheco (?), Darby (?)
Year 2 - Pacheco (?), Bruna (?), Darby (?), Plessis (?), Ecclestone (?), Ajdarevic (?)
Year 3 - Ecclestone (?), Ajdarevic (?), Amoo (?), Pourie (?), Irwin (?)
Year 4 - Dalla Valle, Bouzanis

you get the idea.....

[LFCfan4Life]

The difference is these kids, if they don't make the grade, will be worth a bit of money. Guthrie is worth £3m. Carson is worth £7m. And Barragan came in for £200,000-odd, and was sold for three times that much. That all helps fund new signings.

Reality is though that these smaller 500-800k fees are probably just about paying back what we paid plus the wages and money spent on them through there time at the reserves. eg youve got to keep the youth squad etc all profitable so its not draining money which should be used on the ground or first team etc

only the big Guthrie Carson fees are pure big profit

[ouestlereferee]

Reality is though that these smaller 500-800k fees are probably just about paying back what we paid plus the wages and money spent on them through there time at the reserves. eg youve got to keep the youth squad etc all profitable so its not draining money which should be used on the ground or first team etc

only the big Guthrie Carson fees are pure big profit

true but it's kind of risk free.... we're always going to have enough of these 600k players to cover costs, and the great ones coming through are just a bonus...

[Jaska]

Update: Lauri has played 5 games. Scored 8 and assisted 1. Two of the games have been practise games between LFC youth sides though.

[Jaska]

There was an interview in a Finnish newspaper about Lauri couple of days ago. I have translated some bits which might be interesting:

Liverpool Academy scout Ian Barrigan doesn't save any compliments when he describes former JIPPO player Dalla Valle who moved to England in January.

"I would say he is the most natural finisher in the history of our academy. Everybody are talking about how many goals he has scored"

(he has scored 11 goals in as many games)

"Lauri has only once failed to score in U17 matches but apart from that it was his best game here"

Lauri trains with U18 team but has mainly played with lads one year younger than that because the striker of that team has been injured for a long time.

"He must play as an out and out striker even though his best position is behind the main striker"

Other comments were like

"Even though being such young he realises the importance of right diet and Lauri has the best physique in the whole academy"

"his attitude is very professional as is the case with all the finns (well I'm writing this while working  )"

When asked about his weaknesses, both Barrigan and Piet Hamberg replied practically at the same time saying he needs to get better on one on one situations and get more brave to take on oppositions.

I just hope all those nice things said are true.

[minusone]

Get the lad a haircut.

[red1977]

There was an interview in a Finnish newspaper about Lauri couple of days ago. I have translated some bits which might be interesting:

Liverpool Academy scout Ian Barrigan doesn't save any compliments when he describes former JIPPO player Dalla Valle who moved to England in January.

"I would say he is the most natural finisher in the history of our academy. Everybody are talking about how many goals he has scored"

(he has scored 11 goals in as many games)

"Lauri has only once failed to score in U17 matches but apart from that it was his best game here"

Lauri trains with U18 team but has mainly played with lads one year younger than that because the striker of that team has been injured for a long time.

"He must play as an out and out striker even though his best position is behind the main striker"

Other comments were like

"Even though being such young he realises the importance of right diet and Lauri has the best physique in the whole academy"

"his attitude is very professional as is the case with all the finns (well I'm writing this while working  )"

When asked about his weaknesses, both Barrigan and Piet Hamberg replied practically at the same time saying he needs to get better on one on one situations and get more brave to take on oppositions.

I just hope all those nice things said are true.

sounds very promising indeed, "most natural finisher in the history of the academy" that is some compliment.

[Crazyhorse7778]

sounds very promising indeed, "most natural finisher in the history of the academy" that is some compliment.

Indeed, some praise. Strange though, that they call him the most natural finisher in the history of the academy while also saying that he needs to work on his one-on-one's.

Thanks for the translation Jaska .

[buzzing]

Indeed, some praise. Strange though, that they call him the most natural finisher in the history of the academy while also saying that he needs to work on his one-on-one's.

Yeah, bit odd that.

[red1977]

Indeed, some praise. Strange though, that they call him the most natural finisher in the history of the academy while also saying that he needs to work on his one-on-one's.

true, must be a confidence thing.

[Jaska]

Well, Neil Mellor wasn't any good on one on ones was he? Same goes for Owen. He was a great finisher but only relied on pace when 1 vs 1

[Met]

This guy will be interesting to follow.

[Koogan]

Indeed, some praise. Strange though, that they call him the most natural finisher in the history of the academy while also saying that he needs to work on his one-on-one's.

I think there's something lost in translation(s) here. I think what that 'one-on-one' means is actually 'man-against-man' anywhere across the park and not only in the penalty box where there's only the goalie to beat.

[Adeemo]

Well, Neil Mellor wasn't any good on one on ones was he? Same goes for Owen. He was a great finisher but only relied on pace when 1 vs 1

Got to disagree there, Owen was usually pretty decent at the old dink over the advancing keeper.

[Jaska]

I think there's something lost in translation(s) here. I think what that 'one-on-one' means is actually 'man-against-man' anywhere across the park and not only in the penalty box where there's only the goalie to beat.

Yeh, that might be the case here. I meant originally "man against man" when I wrote. A duel anywhere on the pitch.

It was a bit tircky to translate as the original story isn't completely waterproof, in my opinion, regarding what they originally meant themselves. However, my mate is a sports journalist for that paper which ran the story. I'll try to find out.

[Jaska]

I think there's something lost in translation(s) here. I think what that 'one-on-one' means is actually 'man-against-man' anywhere across the park and not only in the penalty box where there's only the goalie to beat.

I got the answer:
The coaches sais Lauri should try to go past opponents more often more bravely because he can do it. Apparently Lauri likes to make a "good pass" instead of taking on onwards coming defenders.