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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #40 on: November 6, 2006, 01:18:53 PM »
I was pissed off at the time for a few reasons:

Bolton v Wigan was a shite game Bolton had 0 shots on target Wigan 2 - no reason to show it early or in more detail.

Fulham v Everton was one of the televised games, mid-table with one goal  - as above

Watford was the free game on Football First (I'm on NTL).



As its been said Bolton v Wigan is a derby of sorts and Fulham versus Everton was a controversial game.

Aside from that we were on last to maintain viewing figures - its an obvious and reasonable decision.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #41 on: November 6, 2006, 01:21:41 PM »
The 'objective' policy was never anything more than talk.

You have to think like a television exec...

'Who the fuck wants to watch Everton?'
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #42 on: November 6, 2006, 01:23:41 PM »
They are top of the league and Chelsea are the champions, so they will usually be screened first.

Plenty of fans will wait to watch us, so we get put on last if we're playing chumps to keep up the viewing figures.

End of story.

End of story? Don't think so, chump.

If your little manc apologist theory is correct, why are Arsenal never on last then? They play great football, you'd think the scouse loving producers at the Beeb would save them until the end wouldn't you?


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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #43 on: November 6, 2006, 01:35:57 PM »
End of story? Don't think so, chump.

If your little manc apologist theory is correct, why are Arsenal never on last then? They play great football, you'd think the scouse loving producers at the Beeb would save them until the end wouldn't you?

Firstly, why are you calling me a chump?

Secondly, why are you inferring that I'm a Manc apologist?

Man U are top of the league, so they're first along with the champions Chelsea. What is hard about that to understand?

Arsenal are not always at the start - although they were when they were top of the league and reigning champions.

They also have nowhere near as many fans as us across the country, so putting them on last would have less of an impact on sustaining viewing figures.

If you wish to continue this discussion leave out the petty insults or fuck off.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #44 on: November 6, 2006, 01:42:50 PM »
I noticed our delayed slot the last few weeks as well and wished they could show a longer clip, including other chances. Are they trying to be fair to the other clubs or is this BBC's political correctness gone too far!

But in a way I'm glad that we are not in the limelight, yet. Let everyone ignore us and we'll be right in their faces come the end of the season and thats the time when we'll be the talk of the town.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #45 on: November 6, 2006, 01:47:24 PM »
I can't believe the crap people get upset about on here.

Firstly, our game was a "routine 2-0" victory against a poor side. We didn't pull up any trees or do anything so newsworthy that we needed extended highlights.

If you so upset about it (a) go to the game, or (b) watch Football First.

Worrying about a little comment from Lineker to Hansen which if you interpret correctly actually says "Alan, you're a Liverpool fan but we're out of time and I'm the leading presenter so haha."

There's no conspiracy there so let's not be so precious and if there is well who really cares.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #46 on: November 6, 2006, 01:49:29 PM »
MOTD concentrate on the 3pm Saturday kick-offs. That's most of our season written off. Liverpool against a newly promoted side is not a story unless they fail to win. It was expected. The goals were well worked, but not spectacular. The controversy in the match was Gerrard handling in the penalty area and the opposing forward being penalised. But even that was downplayed.

At a guess the producers were saving the prospects for the season until the Arsenal result. Then you could discuss both clubs prospects.

Off topic, but watching the bitters game on MOTD, I was struck by just how dirty they made AJ look. Was he that dirty before he was bitter?
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #47 on: November 6, 2006, 02:03:31 PM »
...and Bolton V Wigan is?

It is a local derby! 

Why do peolpe always think we have a god given right to be the centre of attention for everything?

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #48 on: November 6, 2006, 02:26:53 PM »
To be fair, i always felt that MOTD was very kind to us in the Des Lynam years, as half the BBC Sport team were Liverpool fans!!! Nowadays, i don't know. One thing for sure is Jockey hasn't got an agenda against Liverpool. Everyone knows he loves Liverpool, he is always going to defend us when we need to be defended but the great thing about us is that he doesn't hide behind some of the crap the club put out and tells it like it is.

Hansen clearly wanted to talk about us but the programme had run out of time - that is fairly obvious. It doesn't help that the anchorman now played for Everton and has no allegience towards us - especially after the Harry Kewell stuff. Plus they are proper bumming off Shearer now (probably to stop him doing a Redknapp and buggering off to Sky) and he doesn't particually like one of our strikers, does he?

These days, MOTD are becomming like ITV - always showing the top of the league teams first. Its Chelsea now and sometimes man u.

But to suggest that Jockey Hansen doesn't like us is stupid, so what if we are on last, whatever happened to saving the best to last eh? ;)
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #49 on: November 6, 2006, 02:34:20 PM »
What's the story between Gary Lineker and Harry Kewell anyway?

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #50 on: November 6, 2006, 02:36:33 PM »
If people think that we are hard done by by MOTD, they should speak to a supporter of Middlebrough or Man City or Wigan or or or.  We are consistently one of 2-3 best featured clubs in television generally, and MOTD included.  Other supporters have to deal with the 5 minute clip at 11:45pm on a consistent basis; so what that we had to for a week.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #51 on: November 6, 2006, 02:37:53 PM »
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #52 on: November 6, 2006, 03:14:54 PM »
Following  LFCs. excellent F.A. Cup entertainment last season shown all the way through on BBC  I think they soon forget how we put the sparkle back in that flagging competition. They have a lot to thank us for instead of being so dissmissive.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #53 on: November 6, 2006, 03:50:46 PM »
There's some serious paranoia in this thread. Most other supporters would probably say the BBC's coverage is biased towards us if anything. Everton themselves are convinced the media hate them. Bolton fans complain how they're portrayed as just long ball merchants. Likewise United with all this 'ABU' shite. Most of it is conspiracy nonsense.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #54 on: November 6, 2006, 04:03:04 PM »
I like Hansen..He's a Liverpool Legend and clearly loves the club.

Really tho', pundits are irrelevant and cause more trouble than they're worth, so sack all that shit off and get ART sport. The game + commentary, and that's all you need. If you know football you can form your own opinions without having to listen to ex pros (famous for their high IQ..) and failed managers tell you what to think.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #55 on: November 6, 2006, 04:07:35 PM »
If you get pissed off with MOTD you should try watching Jimmy Hill's Sunday Supplement. The discussion they had on how rubbish Rafa is (the day after we beat Villa) was almost hilarious it was so ridiculous.

Makes Lineker seem like a Red in comparison.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #56 on: November 6, 2006, 04:10:03 PM »
There's some serious paranoia in this thread. Most other supporters would probably say the BBC's coverage is biased towards us if anything. Everton themselves are convinced the media hate them. Bolton fans complain how they're portrayed as just long ball merchants. Likewise United with all this 'ABU' shite. Most of it is conspiracy nonsense.

And you're not wrong. I have spoken to loads of other fans who go on about how the media loves us (or United/Chelsea/Arsenal) and hates their club.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #57 on: November 6, 2006, 04:19:16 PM »
And you're not wrong. I have spoken to loads of other fans who go on about how the media loves us (or United/Chelsea/Arsenal) and hates their club.

Agreed - heard that one loads of times from fans of each of those protagonists. Although the Chelsea rent boys could have a point although they truly deserve it thanks to their bell-end of a manager.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #58 on: November 6, 2006, 04:42:03 PM »
If you get pissed off with MOTD you should try watching Jimmy Hill's Sunday Supplement. The discussion they had on how rubbish Rafa is (the day after we beat Villa) was almost hilarious it was so ridiculous.

Makes Lineker seem like a Red in comparison.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #59 on: November 6, 2006, 04:44:59 PM »
Really tho', pundits are irrelevant and cause more trouble than they're worth, so sack all that shit off and get ART sport. The game + commentary, and that's all you need. If you know football you can form your own opinions without having to listen to ex pros (famous for their high IQ..) and failed managers tell you what to think.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #60 on: November 6, 2006, 05:36:01 PM »
It's funny how everyone thinks the media has it in for their club isn't it?

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #61 on: November 6, 2006, 05:41:59 PM »
Think people are being a bit harsh on jockey;

For what it's worth, my take on what happened was this -
Hansen to me appeared desperate to comment on the game, either to praise Carragher for reaching 300 league games or Kuyt being a decent prospect?
Something was definitely going on, Lineker asks him to do a pieace on Fulhams right back & then cuts to the credits; lineker & shearer piss themselves & Hansen looks a twat & is fuming.

I also think people slag ex players off far to much these days, when your singing your we've won it five times or reminding other that we have won the league 18 times, just remember some of the player's who contributed to that success.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #62 on: November 6, 2006, 05:47:33 PM »
Think people are being a bit harsh on jockey;

For what it's worth, my take on what happened was this -
Hansen to me appeared desperate to comment on the game, either to praise Carragher for reaching 300 league games or Kuyt being a decent prospect?
Something was definitely going on, Lineker asks him to do a pieace on Fulhams right back & then cuts to the credits; lineker & shearer piss themselves & Hansen looks a twat & is fuming.

I also think people slag ex players off far to much these days, when your singing your we've won it five times or reminding other that we have won the league 18 times, just remember some of the player's who contributed to that success.

But I don't care about him being a Gooner. Alan Hansen hates the Arsenal. Every time we win it's because of the other team not playing well yet when we lose it's all about the other team getting in our faces. When United beat Bolton 4-0 it's the best performance ever yet when we beat Reading it's just because they gave us too much space. I bet he loved last night when we lost to the Hammers.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #63 on: November 6, 2006, 06:29:26 PM »
But I don't care about him being a Gooner. Alan Hansen hates the Arsenal. Every time we win it's because of the other team not playing well yet when we lose it's all about the other team getting in our faces. When United beat Bolton 4-0 it's the best performance ever yet when we beat Reading it's just because they gave us too much space. I bet he loved last night when we lost to the Hammers.

The same Alan Hansen who states time after time that the Arsenal side that went un beaten, played the best football he's ever seen in this country?

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #64 on: November 6, 2006, 06:32:46 PM »
Anybody up for some email writing to the BBC?

 :lmao to add to the million others some of us seem to send on a whole host of trivial subjects every fucking week it seems

And you're not wrong. I have spoken to loads of other fans who go on about how the media loves us (or United/Chelsea/Arsenal) and hates their club.

Exactly. Wasnt good form for the BBC not to give at least a little time for a post highlights analysis but to blame Hansen for that is ridiculous..it's just the BBC fucking up the scheduled timing of their programmes, not all this 'Southern/Manc media having an agenda against our poor little club' shite which gets wheeled out so often it seems some of our lot would be better off performing a violin concerto rather than concentraing their efforts on supporting our team. Seriously, it's getting tedious... :boring
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #65 on: November 6, 2006, 06:58:54 PM »
...and Bolton V Wigan is?

Seconded,
i watched the full 90 of this game and i swear to god the only and i mean only highlight of the game was wigans goal..that is it
if you're wondering why i watched wigan, i was in a wigan pub at the time.

back to the point, to put it bluntly the media hate us and are only prepared to talk about us when we lose.
personally i like hansen, i think hes fair and to the point with his comments
i didn't see motd on saturday so i cant really comment on hansen there but i think hes one of the best pundits around apart from townsend pleat crooks bright dixon peacock Adrian "I'm 1/millionth Croatian" chiles, they are awesome, as is john "autocue" barnes. he rocks my world

don't get me started on lawro, jesus christ... as soon as we lose...
rotation is shit, sack rafa sell gerrard burn anfield, zonal marking sack the board kill the players etc etc

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #66 on: November 6, 2006, 08:19:19 PM »
Too many people in this thread have a massive chip on their shoulder about Jocky. Have a word with yourselves will you for god's sake?

The man is class. Always was, always will be. Those who whinge about some of his comments or articles must have the minds of a pre-pubescent 16 year old who cant take any comments on board.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #67 on: November 6, 2006, 08:26:22 PM »
It's funny how everyone thinks the media has it in for their club isn't it?

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Second twenty minutes, the Mancs lost a thrilling game on-nil to a dodgy penalty, here's full highlights:
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Last five minutes, In other news, Arsenal won the title and West Ham, Watford and Reading were relegated. Good night viewers.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #68 on: November 6, 2006, 09:16:25 PM »
People should leave Hansen alone, if were good he'll praise us, if were shit he'll tell us were shit. I'd much rather ex players had that atitude than some of the gut wrenching shithouse ex pro's like the Paddy Crerands of this world who spend their lives sucking up to their former clubs and forget they have opinions of their own.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #69 on: November 6, 2006, 09:50:43 PM »
Not wanting to sound harsh but do you really need the BBCs view of Liverpool or even it want it?  Here's the BBCs view on football for the next 10 years

1) Man U - the best thing ever, Rooney Ronaldo best thing ever, Alex Ferguson best thing ever

2) Arsenal - amazing football, don't score enough

3) Chelsea - Jose is great, Terry, Lampard amazing(wolrds best)

4) Liverpool:

Won 6 - 0 - ok display but still look short defensively/upfront

Won 1 - 0 - wasn't great, could've easily lost....show opponents chances

Draw - Liverpool were lucky to get a point

Lose - rotation, Rafas shite, Gerrards leaving, crap all over, stadiums fell down, they aren't Man U, why do their fans bother


The BBC don't like us - am I arsed no, do I watch it no - I go the match and talk over a pint and thats usually the best opinion

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #70 on: November 6, 2006, 09:54:20 PM »
Not wanting to sound harsh but do you really need the BBCs view of Liverpool or even it want it?  Here's the BBCs view on football for the next 10 years

1) Man U - the best thing ever, Rooney Ronaldo best thing ever, Alex Ferguson best thing ever

2) Arsenal - amazing football, don't score enough

3) Chelsea - Jose is great, Terry, Lampard amazing(wolrds best)

4) Liverpool:

Won 6 - 0 - ok display but still look short defensively/upfront

Won 1 - 0 - wasn't great, could've easily lost....show opponents chances

Draw - Liverpool were lucky to get a point

Lose - rotation, Rafas shite, Gerrards leaving, crap all over, stadiums fell down, they aren't Man U, why do their fans bother


The BBC don't like us - am I arsed no, do I watch it no - I go the match and talk over a pint and thats usually the best opinion

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #71 on: November 7, 2006, 01:12:09 AM »
living in canada now (when I left England in 1990 we were still champions...wtf have you lot done to my team, eh?) i don't see MOTD but, judging by the posts here it, seems that the media are negative towards the Reds, right?

i know i am judging from afar and may have it all wrong, but it seems to me that it is not negativity towards the club. the simple fact is that for 25 years we set such impossibly high standards in terms of results and the quality of our players that everything now seems pretty feeble by comparison to anyone who witnessed that period. so, when reviewing a liverpool game or a player there is a natural tendency to talk in terms of our weaknesses rather than our strengths.

for the younger ones on here, say under 25, i can fully understand that we olduns must be boring harping on about "the good old days" but you just have to try and imagine how fantastic some of our players were. unless you saw them (e.g. dalglish, rush, barnes, beardsley, toshack, hansen, lawrensen, and on and on)you just can't believe that the current squad, with just a few exceptions, are simply not that good.

i believe rafa is doing very well with a collection of mediocre talents but i very rarely enjoy a reds game these days (some exceptions though...we seriously outclassed villa but they are slipping away anyway) because the overall quality of passing, movement and commitment are just not there to the standards (see above) that i grew accustomed to.

so, in conclusion, what i am suiggesting is that the media is simply viewing the current liverpool as i do...good but certainly not great and definitely still a way off chelsea. btw, this doesn't mean we can't yet pile up enough points to win the thing and i hope we do but.....i am not really expecting it unless the others fall down badly.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #72 on: November 7, 2006, 01:27:21 AM »
I think punditry is just shocking these days in general.  I never liked Lawro, but Hansen was all right, I had time for him but now he just comes out with unfounded, blase, poorly formulated opinions with excessive arrogance.  I seem to remember in the past (before ITV did the Premiership), there was far more insight into the game and better analysis but now it's all just pathetic weekly renditions of the same thing.

What really made me see the difference was at the World Cup when Leonardo & Desailly were so much more insightful and unbiased in their analysis compared to the British guys who were just repeating all the shit topics the tabloids were coming up with.  The best way to describe it is, there are certain things there to criticise in every team and those are consistently scapegoated e.g. for us it's Gerrard on the right & zonal marking, for Chelsea it's Shevchenko cant hack the PL, for Arsenal it's too elaborate or they dont have any English heart etc and the same old story is just adopted by everyone and regurgitated. 

Yesterday on MOTD2 when Leonardo actually came back randomly, it was really clear because Adrian Chiles (I swear he's an economics presenter), Lee Dixon & Ian Wright were all just looking at things subjectively but as if they were fact but he would actually speak very objectively and disagree.  However in the end, they sort of make out as if hes a weirdo or as if hes misunderstood the question when really hes just got far more depth of analysis than the rest of them.  I mean Ian Wright!  Good bloke but when it comes to football..

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #73 on: November 7, 2006, 02:25:07 AM »
they put us on last, because theres more liverpool fans out there (and we're the fans' biggest "2nd team") than just about any other club and we keep watching/ they want us to watch the whole show :D its true
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #74 on: November 7, 2006, 03:09:48 AM »
  you are seeing the coverage of lfc in isolation. football is a large part of liverpool culture nowadays. in the past it was just one element in a rich tapestry. try to see media coverage of liverpool fc in wider context. hansen is just parroting the opinions of his class, (superich). they are not like us. Thirty years ago they would have rather talked about knitting needle abortions than football. Now they understand that colonising popular culture is crucial to dominating the AGENDA. they are assuming dominance in an unconcious (sp.?) mode, same as like we are deferrent. they despise us the way some of us despise the geordies (justifiably). What to do?

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #75 on: November 7, 2006, 06:03:46 AM »
Hansen is an idiot. Simple as that.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #76 on: November 7, 2006, 08:51:43 AM »
I don't know who said it, but there is some paranoia in the comments on the BBC coverage and their commentators. As there is also a lot of immaturity in response to any criticism of any aspect of LFC in these columns.

We are not as perfect as we like to believe, both on and off the pitch.
As fans we display just as much bitterness and hatred as others that we like to debase.
Our team is by no means playing top class, entertaining and winning football each week.

We need to have the maturity to stand a bit of criticism, which is mostly fair comment.

Just because we have a history of high standards on the pitch and knowledgeable humour off the pitch, does not mean that we are entitled to continuous praise for ever when our standards drop from time to time.

I am certain that Alan Hansen is as Red as any corresponding on this forum, however, he does have a responsibility to present a balanced view and he does have a pedigree and history against which to balance his views on the current team.

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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #77 on: November 7, 2006, 09:46:58 AM »
I think punditry is just shocking these days in general. 

What really made me see the difference was at the World Cup when Leonardo & Desailly were so much more insightful and unbiased in their analysis compared to the British guys who were just repeating all the shit topics the tabloids were coming up with. 

I was going to mention this - I noticed it as well during the copa mundial. I noticed that they only put those to with O'Niell as well, who also knows his stuff rather than some lazy ex-pro making knee jerk assessments that he has been walked into saying by the presenter.

When O'Neill was on Linkerer seemed to ask him what he thought and then the opinion of the corresponding pundits would follow the same line if you know what I mean?
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #78 on: November 7, 2006, 09:58:06 AM »
  you are seeing the coverage of lfc in isolation. football is a large part of liverpool culture nowadays. in the past it was just one element in a rich tapestry. try to see media coverage of liverpool fc in wider context. hansen is just parroting the opinions of his class, (superich). they are not like us. Thirty years ago they would have rather talked about knitting needle abortions than football. Now they understand that colonising popular culture is crucial to dominating the AGENDA. they are assuming dominance in an unconcious (sp.?) mode, same as like we are deferrent. they despise us the way some of us despise the geordies (justifiably). What to do?

Football coverage as class war? Hansen is not super-rich. He pre-dates the stratospheric salaries paid to footballers. He is rich, but I doubt he has earnt any on the scale of Rio Ferdinand for instance.

I can't even begin to address the paranoia in your post. So I won't.
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Re: Alan Hansen – the small matter of his opinion?
« Reply #79 on: November 7, 2006, 10:16:04 AM »
I taped CHampions League Weekly and watched it last night and i cuaght the end of MOTD which was also taped cos i was out on saturday whle it was on.

Hansen looks shocked and annoyed when Linekar doesn't let him talk about Liverpool. Re watch it and you will feel sorry for slagging Jockey off.

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