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The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« on: October 26, 2006, 07:34:44 PM »
It may well be quotes from some newspaper tomorrow, but guaranteed they spoke to no one at the club.

there is such a thing as quotes given anonymously. Now it's been known for a while that one member of the board has been disenchanted with the way Parry has been running things .... I just hope whoever it is puts has the courage to put his name to the comments and resigns on the spot.

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here's the article:

ROUGH FOR RAFA
By Martin Lipton

RAFA BENITEZ'S position at Liverpool is under pressure after a senior Anfield board member admitted the club is concerned about the direction the Spaniard is taking them.

With Liverpool already 11 points off the Premiership pace set by Manchester United and Chelsea, directors are already giving up hope of ending the championship drought that has already lasted 16 seasons.

And one influential figure on the six-man board revealed that Benitez's leadership of the team was being questioned.

"We have paid too many inflated prices and inflated wages for players who are not doing the job," said the director, who is concerned for the future of the club but wants to remain anonymous to avoid a boardroom split.

"When it comes to any manager, the view of the board has always been to let them get on with it. We do not believe in interfering.

"But the day will come when we may not be that way inclined any more. We have always been very respectful of any manager we appoint. The view has always been the same one, the right one - that the manager must stand or fall by his efforts.

"But one thing that we can't hide is that we have to be in the Champions League every season and if we do not qualify it will be a major problem.

"The budget we have set up is still in balance if we do not get into the Champions League. But if we are to make investment in the team we are talking about £20m of income we need to have every season."

Criticism of Benitez - who still has the backing of chairman David Moores - was aimed at his constant team changing and the lack of any pattern or passion in last weekend's Old Trafford defeat.

"We were looking to do something in the league. We thought it would be this year and it's not going to happen now.

"Normally, by the time you get to October, you'd expect the manager to know his best team and stick with it but there are no signs of that happening now. I don't think he could tell you what his best team is."

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27 October 2006
HOW PATIENCE IS FINALLY WEARING THIN AT ANFIELD
By Martin Lipton

IN THE bowels of the Millennium Stadium in May, as the celebratory beers began to flow, Rafa Benitez looked down the Liverpool team coach.

The FA Cup and the winners' medals may have been shining but it was relief, rather than joy, which was running through Benitez's mind.

He knew that the shoot-out victory over West Ham had masked the reality of a squad that was nowhere near good enough to compete for the Premiership crown.

Five months on, Benitez finds himself under question as never before on Merseyside, Liverpool's abject display at Old Trafford the catalyst for a bout of boardroom backbiting.

At this stage, Benitez's doubters prefer to stay in the shadows, but their criticisms are fierce and the targets wide-ranging.

"Sunday was bloody awful," conceded one board member. "There was no resolve in our performance.

"At Old Trafford we played one up. If you're going to do that, you've got to have the right five in midfield, playing in the right positions, and it didn't look that way at all.

"We have paid too many inflated prices and inflated wages for players who are not doing the job.

"And when the manager decides they are not doing the job, we cannot get rid of them because nobody wants them for the sort of money we want back.

"It means we're losing money we can't afford to lose. We have too many players of poor quality and from the way the manager keeps on changing the side it looks as if he doesn't know what his best team is."

Benitez accepts that he must take his share of responsibility for the disappointing start to the campaign, although he maintains his policy of constant rotation will bear fruit at the business end of the season.

After all, Liverpool are only two points worse off now than they were at the corresponding point in each of the last two seasons.

Privately, the Spaniard maintains that his first two years have represented an over-achievement that should have bought him the time to make the changes he feels are needed.

For Benitez, it is a bigger job than he imagined in 2004. "The first year we were here, if we had finished fourth, people would have said fantastic," he said. "But we won the Champions League and expectations were raised. People want something like this every year, but we can't spend a lot of money like the top sides do.

Money is a pressing issue. Benitez feels the tight purse-strings have forced him to buy too many players who were second or third on his wanted list.

Discounting Djibril Cisse, bought before he arrived in 2004, Liverpool have spent less than Chelsea, United and even Tottenham, although more than twice as much as Arsenal.

The summer saw him once again operating in the transfer market with one arm behind his back, unable to find the money to sign Sevilla full-back Daniel Alves and having to wait until the last minute to bring in Dirk Kuyt.

The board, though, are less convinced. "The signings in the summer cost us a lot of money and they've not worked. It's the same old story," said the board insider. "We were happy to spend £9m on a centre-forward but we were told we should be spending £30m. You can't go out and get a Bentley all the time."

It has made Benitez reassess his targets. Where he had believed that this could be the year when Liverpool pressed Chelsea all the way in the Premiership, it is now about trying to close the gap.

He has to do that by cajoling and energising his current crop of players. Benitez knows he cannot criticise his players publicly because doing so would "lose" the dressing room.

In his private moments, though, the 46-year-old is harbouring doubts about the attitude of too many of his players.

He is understood to feel that not enough players have the courage to come out and push their colleagues on, not merely by screaming at them but by leading by example.

The Spaniard's relationship with skipper Steven Gerrard, never the best, has declined with the England star clearly unimpressed at not playing in his preferred central role.

It has not gone unnoticed, with the boardroom perturbed to see Gerrard looking "a miserable sod" on Sunday. Benitez has rebuffed unofficial approaches from both AC Milan and Inter and is determined to see his job through.

But if he feels the players are not responding and he senses the boardroom is slipping away, that may change.

'From the way Benitez keeps changing the side it looks as if he doesn't know his best team..'
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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2006, 07:34:54 PM »
looks too dodgy, i'll make such a statement when i see it, and no i won't accept some bs like a source very close to the club said xy and z.

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2006, 07:41:16 PM »
Seems very un-Liverpool this, and I would be hugely disappointed at any board member of ours making such quotes to the press even if that happens to be their opinion. A wrong opinion in my book, but that's besides the point.
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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2006, 07:44:42 PM »
Yes,I like the Board of Liverpool FC yearn for the pre-Rafa days when everyhting in the garden was rosy.

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2006, 07:45:38 PM »
Liverpool's board are less threatening than that when they're actually sacking a manager. If this is true, I am certain it will be unattributable and denied by Parry within about an hour of publication.

There shouldn't be any pressure on Rafa at this stage, beyond his own high standards.
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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2006, 07:46:42 PM »
I believe Parry is in Dubai all week ...
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2006, 07:49:18 PM »
I believe Parry is in Dubai all week ...

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2006, 07:52:37 PM »
there is such a thing as quotes given anonymously. Now it's been known for a while that one member of the board has been disenchanted with the way Parry has been running things .... I just hope whoever it is puts has the courage to put his name to the comments and resigns on the spot.

I know but usually there made up by which ever paper ran them.

I assume your talking of a certain builder that was?

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2006, 07:57:39 PM »
Locking this until the papers come out. If it's bullshit it will be deleted. If it isn't we'll into our bomb shelter and come out when the air raid sirens stop.
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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2006, 07:09:46 AM »
Anyone read this story in the mirror yet?

Can't see anything on their website.
Rafa - "I'll always keep in my heart the good times I've had here, the strong and loyal support of the fans in the tough times and the love from Liverpool. I have no words to thank you enough for all these years and I am very proud to say that I was your manager.

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2006, 07:14:45 AM »
Just talked about is on TalkSPORT.

Martin Lipton has supposedly talked to an un-named Liverpool Director (Senior!!!) who has questioned Rafa's rotation and buying policy.

Probably a load of Bollocks as yesterday the same Reporter (Litpon) claimed that Sven was going to the Hammers and had had secret meetings, where as his agent came on the radio and shot all the accusations down!

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2006, 07:18:44 AM »
Anyone read this story in the mirror yet?

Can't see anything on their website.

In short they claim to have quotes from a member of our board, making - basically - the following points:
  • He questions the direction Rafa is taking the club
  • Thinks we've spent too much money on players who aren't doing their jobs
  • Is upset that Rafa keeps changing the team and that it shows he doesn't know his best XI
  • Is concerned about Rafa playing Gerrard wide right instead of the middle and their relationship and how it's affecting the player

The board member wishes to remain anonymous "to avoid a boardroom split".
"It is easy for these so-called experts to talk about the game when they don't see the training. . . . . it is easy for people to criticise on television; they have never managed a team that has lost a game - or won one."

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2006, 07:18:57 AM »
If true then today's board meeting will be interesting.  If false then expect the lawyers to get involved.
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2006, 07:19:46 AM »
Just showed the Headline on SSN, But didn't talk about it.

I wonder who the un-named Director is.

I guess it's the one who could benefit most from unsettling the team and manager, what other reason can he have for coming out with this.

Do a witch hunt and sack him I say.

And the fans should show our support for Rafa tomorrow.
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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2006, 07:20:19 AM »
If its true, the guy who said these things is a twat of the highest order... lets go back to the good old days of Houlier eh? Fuck sake, some people dont know what they've got...

If this stuff is true, we've got to sing Rafa's name twice as loud on Saturday, we can't let board meddling undermine him and watch him walk away as he did at Valencia.

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2006, 07:33:22 AM »
If its true, the guy who said these things is a twat of the highest order... lets go back to the good old days of Houlier eh? Fuck sake, some people dont know what they've got...

If this stuff is true, we've got to sing Rafa's name twice as loud on Saturday, we can't let board meddling undermine him and watch him walk away as he did at Valencia.

Totally agree, Rafa's the man, he needs our support tomorrow, as does the team.  If the board have any problems they should go to Rafa as one not sneakily do it to the tabloids.  IMO, I think Parry & Moores are more than happy with Rafa.

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2006, 07:38:11 AM »
Load of bollocks in my opinion.  The club should take legal action and knock this bollocks on the head.  Any member of the board ever speaking to the press without the full backing of the board should be removed.

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2006, 07:47:44 AM »
In short they claim to have quotes from a member of our board, making - basically - the following points:
  • He questions the direction Rafa is taking the club
  • Thinks we've spent too much money on players who aren't doing their jobs
  • Is upset that Rafa keeps changing the team and that it shows he doesn't know his best XI
  • Is concerned about Rafa playing Gerrard wide right instead of the middle and their relationship and how it's affecting the player

The board member wishes to remain anonymous "to avoid a boardroom split".

what a load of Bulls***. we dont need this crap at the moment and they are trying to make it worse for us....fuppin hell it makes me angry!

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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2006, 07:48:20 AM »
Absolutely fucking brilliant timing as usual.

Important league game tomorrow against a side that is still unbeaten and this shite comes out.

Some people are just never satisified.

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2006, 07:48:25 AM »
Got the mirror here. Load of fucking shite.
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2006, 07:55:12 AM »
Oh you mean the rotation policy, the one were Rafa has only named ONE unchanged side since the begining of the  2001/2002 season. The one that has won in 5 seasons:

2 x La Ligas
1 x UEFA Cups
1 x European Cup
1 x FA Cup
1 x UEFA Super Cup
1 x Charity Sheild

I think the big question is, why do managers who insist on playing the same team week in, week out, and win FUCK all, not get questioned about thier team sleection. RANT OVER!

I think this director needs to look at the big picture and stop listening to the likes of Richard FUCKING Keys!

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2006, 07:56:53 AM »
Absolutely fucking brilliant timing as usual.

Important league game tomorrow against a side that is still unbeaten and this shite comes out.

Some people are just never satisified.

Must've run out of "Gerrard's fucked off with playing right side, so he's doing one in January/July" stories for now.
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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2006, 07:58:49 AM »
Houllier OUT

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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2006, 07:59:19 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2006, 07:59:54 AM »
The board member wishes to remain anonymous "to avoid a boardroom split".
Is that a euphemism for 'to avoid getting murdered by the supporters.'

If it's true, he's a coward of the first order who does not belong on our board.
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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2006, 08:00:01 AM »
If its true, the guy who said these things is a twat of the highest order...

That would make it then  :wave
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2006, 08:04:53 AM »
This is utter bullshit. As we all know Rafa left Valencia because of board was interference, and now this shit.. nice fucking timing, eh? Hopefully this wanker can be identiflied and sent packing... the last thing we need is Rafa to feel like the board is turning on him...
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2006, 08:05:16 AM »
Houllier OUT

Houllier IN surely?!?!?!   :P
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« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2006, 08:08:30 AM »
Boardroom politics, given some iffy results and the Dubai speculation, possibly it's Morgan putting another hat in the ring.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/premiership/article1756800.ece

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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2006, 08:11:49 AM »
Boardroom politics, given some iffy results and the Dubai speculation, possibly it's Morgan putting another hat in the ring.

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/premiership/article1756800.ece

Feel quite sorry for Morgan, he's not on the board, wants desperately to be on the board and yet gets the blame for when one of them 'allegedly' * cough, goes running to the papers.

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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2006, 08:12:09 AM »
Oh you mean the rotation policy, the one were Rafa has only named ONE unchanged side since the begining of the  2001/2002 season. The one that has won in 5 seasons:

2 x La Ligas
1 x UEFA Cups
1 x European Cup
1 x FA Cup
1 x UEFA Super Cup
1 x Charity Sheild

I think the big question is, why do managers who insist on playing the same team week in, week out, and win FUCK all, not get questioned about thier team sleection. RANT OVER!
Exactly mate, excellent point.

If Benitez's (not any other manager who chooses to) rotation policy is the reason for our poor results then how come he has been so successful over the past few seasons.

My personal feeling is that influential members of the media have got it in for Benitez.  Once they don't like you they make it very difficult for you to succeed with propaganda such as this.

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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2006, 08:17:39 AM »
The Mirror reports 'in his private moments, [Benitez] is harbouring doubts about the attitude of too many of his players. He is understood to feel that not enough players have the courage to come out and push their colleagues on'.
If they're private moments, how do they know what he's harbouring doubts about? Could be about what to get the Missus for Chrimbo, ffs.  :butt
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2006, 08:29:43 AM »
If the club don't sue for this, we're fucked.Rafa will be gone, latest end of season
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2006, 08:31:19 AM »
If the club don't sue for this, we're fucked.Rafa will be gone, latest end of season

I doubt he would go over some bollocks in the paper. Although, I hope they do get the mirror or the c*nt who said it.

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2006, 08:31:32 AM »
I wouldn't get worked up about the article in the daily fascist.  Basing an article on quotes from an unnamed board member is the shoddiest form of journalism out there.  Did we get any new information from this secret source?  No.

There's nothing new in the statement and I'll be singing Rafa's name twice as loud tomorrow.  Providing I don't sing myself hoarse on the drive up!!

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2006, 08:37:08 AM »
I'm sure Rafa knows by now that this kind of tabloid shit goes with the territory, not only in the Prem but with LFC in particular.  If Moarinho's psychobabble hasn't fazed the man, I'm sure an unsourced bit of crap in The Scum Mk II won't either.
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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2006, 08:38:57 AM »
I wouldn't get worked up about the article in the daily fascist.  Basing an article on quotes from an unnamed board member is the shoddiest form of journalism out there.  Did we get any new information from this secret source?  No.

There's nothing new in the statement and I'll be singing Rafa's name twice as loud tomorrow.  Providing I don't sing myself hoarse on the drive up!!

We can't let this go. If a board member has said it then he needs to be named and shamed, and if they didn't then we need to take legal action.

This is not what we do at this club, it might happen at real madrid or chelsea but it isn't us.

I'm sure Rafa knows by now that this kind of tabloid shit goes with the territory, not only in the Prem but with LFC in particular.  If Moarinho's psychobabble hasn't fazed the man, I'm sure an unsourced bit of crap in The Scum Mk II won't either.

No, it isn't with the territory, our board don't "anonymously" attack our managers. Something mourinho says is a completely different thing.
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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2006, 08:41:13 AM »
Without attributing the source, the whole thing is speculation.

Just something to fill some column inches, on a "slow" Friday before "Big Match Saturday".

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2006, 08:43:15 AM »
Without attributing the source, the whole thing is speculation.

Just something to fill some column inches, on a "slow" Friday before "Big Match Saturday".

IF it was "gerrard to chelsea" or whatever, then yeah, fill them inches right up. Unsettling the manager (wether it works or not) and claiming the board are unhappy with the most successful manager in years is just out of order.

Why the fuck are people trying to breeze over this?

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Re: The Mirror, Rafa and the anonymous board member
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2006, 08:43:46 AM »
ROUGH FOR RAFA
By Martin Lipton

RAFA BENITEZ'S position at Liverpool is under pressure after a senior Anfield board member admitted the club is concerned about the direction the Spaniard is taking them.

With Liverpool already 11 points off the Premiership pace set by Manchester United and Chelsea, directors are already giving up hope of ending the championship drought that has already lasted 16 seasons.

And one influential figure on the six-man board revealed that Benitez's leadership of the team was being questioned.

"We have paid too many inflated prices and inflated wages for players who are not doing the job," said the director, who is concerned for the future of the club but wants to remain anonymous to avoid a boardroom split.

"When it comes to any manager, the view of the board has always been to let them get on with it. We do not believe in interfering.

"But the day will come when we may not be that way inclined any more. We have always been very respectful of any manager we appoint. The view has always been the same one, the right one - that the manager must stand or fall by his efforts.

"But one thing that we can't hide is that we have to be in the Champions League every season and if we do not qualify it will be a major problem.

"The budget we have set up is still in balance if we do not get into the Champions League. But if we are to make investment in the team we are talking about £20m of income we need to have every season."

Criticism of Benitez - who still has the backing of chairman David Moores - was aimed at his constant team changing and the lack of any pattern or passion in last weekend's Old Trafford defeat.

"We were looking to do something in the league. We thought it would be this year and it's not going to happen now.

"Normally, by the time you get to October, you'd expect the manager to know his best team and stick with it but there are no signs of that happening now. I don't think he could tell you what his best team is."