Author Topic: Inquest into the depressing 0-2 defeat at Old Trafford (Read 2101 times)

grahamlfc · « **on:** October 23, 2006, 01:46:53 PM »

Tonight on BBC Radio Merseyside (95.8 FM) there will be an inquest into the depressing 0-2 defeat to the Man United at Old Trafford yesterday. on the Alan jackson Football phone-in show, the show starts tonight at 7.05pm to 9.00pm.
You can also listen to the show on the internet on www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool and then click on the LIVE LISTEN link.

Fanxxxxtastic · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:52:13 PM »

This show will be fun.

But I will have to listen to it.

Well until it pisses me off, which I guess will be after about 5 mins.

JayCee · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:57:00 PM »

Their is always one old fella on there who will slate the team, then admit to not having seen the game.

grahamlfc · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:00:08 PM »

No, the old guy is not on the show anymore.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:01:30 PM »

I look forward to a reasoned, insightful, considered discussion about the issues as they'll play out in the long term ......

Stretch Armstrong · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:02:22 PM »

How much can you beat a dead donkey - if people can't work out for themselves were it went wrong by just watching it yesterday then they don't deserve an opinion and especially be allowed to call up a radio station and talk about it - lets face it Rafa won't be listening in

Rhino · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:06:18 PM »

Two hours!

Christ, should take about 5 minutes, no pride, passion or desire

beardsley4ever · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:10:04 PM »

When does "uneducated bitching and moaning" become an "inquest"?

GBF · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:13:59 PM »

sounds like late Evans and of GH years these days....doom and gloom....

I thought you'll get used to it by now

Comon cheer up....UEFA spot still in play!

a glass of wine Sir? · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:16:33 PM »

Quote from: GBF on October 23, 2006, 02:13:59 PM

sounds like late Evans and of GH years these days....doom and gloom....

I thought you'll get used to it by now

Comon cheer up....UEFA spot still in play!

don't worry though mate, a couple of wins in a row, and we will be going to catch Chelsea and Utd and win number 19

GBF · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:20:17 PM »

Quote from: a glass of wine Sir? on October 23, 2006, 02:16:33 PM

don't worry though mate, a couple of wins in a row, and we will be going to catch Chelsea and Utd and win number 19

I'm not bothered about catching up the big 3 (arse, mancs and Chelsea)....we should forget about them...we aint in the same "league" as them....we just need to focus in getting our way of playing right, get consistent and then we'll have a look at their league position and start worrying!

garcia's da man · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:02:09 PM »

Quote from: a glass of wine Sir? on October 23, 2006, 02:16:33 PM

don't worry though mate, a couple of wins in a row, and we will be going to catch Chelsea and Utd and win number 19

yeah an I woke up and eat my cornflakes.

stoa · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:23:06 PM »

Quote from: GBF on October 23, 2006, 02:20:17 PM

I'm not bothered about catching up the big 3 (arse, mancs and Chelsea)....we should forget about them...we aint in the same "league" as them....we just need to focus in getting our way of playing right, get consistent and then we'll have a look at their league position and start worrying!

No need for worrying then. We have to find our game and not think about the others. If we win games or at least get a point in difficult games we'll have done what was in our hands. If other teams have more points at the end of the season then so be it, but at least we'll be able to say that we did everything we could. I don't care about people talking about our season being over now or before the start of the season that we could win it. We have to get as many points as possible and next year in May we'll know where that took us.

As for the reasons we lost or played bad in our last games, I don't think it has to do with tactics, rotation or whatever. You can't win games with players who aren't in top form. If there's no confidence in the team you'll always lose games especially if there's nothing really working in our favour.

It's just the little things like at Bolton. If we had scored first, we'd have won that game and maybe we would now be happy with a 2-0 win at OT. We need to change the momentum in our favour and that will only work with a solid win and not like at Bordeaux where we scored one, but then almost shit a brick.

koppy · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:29:28 PM »

Crunchy nut??

The inquest is.........

LEAVE GERRARD IN TH F***IN MIDDLE.......

JEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!

GBF · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:39:48 PM »

Quote from: stoa on October 23, 2006, 04:23:06 PM

No need for worrying then. We have to find our game and not think about the others. If we win games or at least get a point in difficult games we'll have done what was in our hands. If other teams have more points at the end of the season then so be it, but at least we'll be able to say that we did everything we could. I don't care about people talking about our season being over now or before the start of the season that we could win it. We have to get as many points as possible and next year in May we'll know where that took us.

As for the reasons we lost or played bad in our last games, I don't think it has to do with tactics, rotation or whatever. You can't win games with players who aren't in top form. If there's no confidence in the team you'll always lose games especially if there's nothing really working in our favour.

It's just the little things like at Bolton. If we had scored first, we'd have won that game and maybe we would now be happy with a 2-0 win at OT. We need to change the momentum in our favour and that will only work with a solid win and not like at Bordeaux where we scored one, but then almost shit a brick.

exactly!

I dont know why many were expecting a win at OT...we hardly played to their level in the last few days...

we need to go back to the basics and try to get the simple things right....would be nice if the fans put a bit more voice...

Garstonite · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:56:35 PM »

Quote from: GBF on October 23, 2006, 04:39:48 PM

exactly!

I dont know why many were expecting a win at OT...we hardly played to their level in the last few days...

we need to go back to the basics and try to get the simple things right....would be nice if the fans put a bit more voice...

I think the manner in which we lost is what has upset people the most.

koppy · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2006, 05:03:16 PM »

When you captain admits defeat with 20 mins to go then whats there to sing about??

The axe needs to wielded.......A spell in the reserves would do 6 or 7 players a little bit of a kick up the arse.

GBF · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2006, 05:05:53 PM »

Quote from: Garstonite on October 23, 2006, 04:56:35 PM

I think the manner in which we lost is what has upset people the most.

was it as bad as we lost against Everton? was it as bad as we lost against Blackburn...its just because this one it was United...the scale got amplified...

Even against Bordeaux...we were disgusting in the first half...

I thought we had a bit more teeth in the first few minute before Scholes scored....then we were back to our regular catch up play

Peeker · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2006, 05:14:30 PM »

Dont know everyone is surprised to be honest. Everytime we play Chelsea, Arsenal or Utd away from home, our 'tactical genuis' of a manager picks the same formation. One up front with a support player just behind who gives the ball away, is slow as fuck, and is soft as fuck....called Garcia..

Since Rafa has been manager, we have picked up 0 points of a possible 18. Yes...6 defeats out of 6.

IT DOESNT WORK RAFA. If you insist on playing with one up front in these big games that you need to have pace. I know Bellamy was injured yesterday (or was he??), but please please start showing more confidence and ambition in your team and have a go at the big boys.

Chelsea were there for the taking a few weeks ago if Rafa had been more positive. So were Utd yesterday. So stop setting us up to combat the opposition for fucks sake. Concentrate on our strenghts for once and let them worry about us for as change.

One last thing Rafa....if you play the same team and tactics against Arsenal in a few weeks, then we will getting absolutely ripped to shreds. I am not looking forward to that game.

Brother Mouzone · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2006, 05:16:39 PM »

We could have played Marine on Sunday and we would have lost. Just abject. But I don't really want to listen to people moaning about it in the 'inquest'. Unless Quincy is on it. You've got to respect his abilities in Post Mortems. Never lets you down.

Garstonite · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2006, 06:03:57 PM »

Quote from: GBF on October 23, 2006, 05:05:53 PM

was it as bad as we lost against Everton? was it as bad as we lost against Blackburn...its just because this one it was United...the scale got amplified...

Even against Bordeaux...we were disgusting in the first half...

I thought we had a bit more teeth in the first few minute before Scholes scored....then we were back to our regular catch up play

The fact that I thought we wouldn't get back into the match after they had scored was a massive disappointment for me. On the basis, sure, we had some decent spells, but we didn't dominate large sections of the match, like we had done against Everton and Chelsea. We're lacking self-belief and confidence, that will come in time, and coincide with the new boys settling in completely and the senior players get back to their best. Until then, we will be lucky to scrape wins like we did against Bordeaux.

Withnail · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2006, 06:23:16 PM »

Quote from: Garstonite on October 23, 2006, 04:56:35 PM

I think the manner in which we lost is what has upset people the most.

The words 'hit', 'nail' and 'head' spring to mind.
Nobody would give a fuck if we had gone out there and lost a proper 'end to end' thriller 3-2. We would all be raving about our lovely flowing football and saying how unlucky we were to have come away with nothig.
instead,........................well, instead.............................................

Withnail · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2006, 06:28:04 PM »

Maybe Raffa could actually try treating the players like human beings instead of cogs in a machine. According to Gerrards biog,he has no contact whatsoever with the players on a social level. Maybe the team bonding should start at the top, because i fail to see how its possible to build team spirit and raise morale when he insists on treating the players in this way. I would love to see Raffas tactical nous combines with the social skills and team bonding skills of a Keegan or Allardyce.

!ZED! · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2006, 07:21:22 PM »

Quote from: Sir Withnail the Welsh on October 23, 2006, 06:28:04 PM

Maybe Raffa could actually try treating the players like human beings instead of cogs in a machine. According to Gerrards biog,he has no contact whatsoever with the players on a social level. Maybe the team bonding should start at the top, because i fail to see how its possible to build team spirit and raise morale when he insists on treating the players in this way. I would love to see Raffas tactical nous combines with the social skills and team bonding skills of a Keegan or Allardyce.

As much as i despise Mourinho, he does keep the team togethor well and they do have a great team spirit at the club. im in no doubt whos tactically better between rafa and mourinho but you have to give him credit for the way his team sticks togethor.

paulcompton · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2006, 07:41:47 PM »

Quote from: grahamlfc on October 23, 2006, 01:46:53 PM

Tonight on BBC Radio Merseyside (95.8 FM) there will be an inquest into the depressing 0-2 defeat to the Man United at Old Trafford yesterday. on the Alan jackson Football phone-in show, the show starts tonight at 7.05pm to 9.00pm.
You can also listen to the show on the internet on www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool and then click on the LIVE LISTEN link.

Anybody listening ? Some beaut on now

The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2006, 07:46:15 PM »

bluenose on now, saying kuyt shit and liverpool aren't gonna do anything

paulcompton · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2006, 07:48:39 PM »

Who is the studio guest ?

acd · « **Reply #27 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:44:40 PM »

this phone in has been excellent, if you havent listened, listen again on the bbc website

Red_Isle_Chap · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:51:52 PM »

Quote from: GBF on October 23, 2006, 05:05:53 PM

was it as bad as we lost against Everton? was it as bad as we lost against Blackburn...its just because this one it was United...the scale got amplified...

Even against Bordeaux...we were disgusting in the first half...

I thought we had a bit more teeth in the first few minute before Scholes scored....then we were back to our regular catch up play

Funny..i thought we drew to Blackburn...but that aside. Like someone replied it's the manner of the defeat. I could take getting fucked 4-0 by those c*nts (and in fact i predicted that we were going to get tonked), IF the team fought for their lives and we conceded goals on the break. Playing the first 5 mins and then going "Oh, wait a minute, we're at Old Trafford....we surrender" is what's got my fucking goat.

xavidub · « **Reply #29 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:55:03 PM »

Quite a few of the calls have been reasonable and well argued and restrained.

hazzalfc · « **Reply #30 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:00:21 PM »

Quote from: Peeker on October 23, 2006, 05:14:30 PM

Dont know everyone is surprised to be honest. Everytime we play Chelsea, Arsenal or Utd away from home, our 'tactical genuis' of a manager picks the same formation. One up front with a support player just behind who gives the ball away, is slow as fuck, and is soft as fuck....called Garcia..

Since Rafa has been manager, we have picked up 0 points of a possible 18. Yes...6 defeats out of 6.

IT DOESNT WORK RAFA. If you insist on playing with one up front in these big games that you need to have pace. I know Bellamy was injured yesterday (or was he??), but please please start showing more confidence and ambition in your team and have a go at the big boys.

Chelsea were there for the taking a few weeks ago if Rafa had been more positive. So were Utd yesterday. So stop setting us up to combat the opposition for fucks sake. Concentrate on our strenghts for once and let them worry about us for as change.

One last thing Rafa....if you play the same team and tactics against Arsenal in a few weeks, then we will getting absolutely ripped to shreds. I am not looking forward to that game.

Garica didn't play against Chelsea (wasn't even a sub) and we played with Bellamy and Kuyt up front against Chelsea (not with just one up front), so it ain't really correct to say "Everytime we play Chelsea, Arsenal or Utd away from home, our 'tactical genuis' of a manager picks the same formation."

Curva Nord '77 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:02:28 PM »

Quote from: Peeker on October 23, 2006, 05:14:30 PM

Dont know everyone is surprised to be honest. Everytime we play Chelsea, Arsenal or Utd away from home, our 'tactical genuis' of a manager picks the same formation. One up front with a support player just behind who gives the ball away, is slow as fuck, and is soft as fuck....called Garcia..

Since Rafa has been manager, we have picked up 0 points of a possible 18. Yes...6 defeats out of 6.

IT DOESNT WORK RAFA. If you insist on playing with one up front in these big games that you need to have pace. I know Bellamy was injured yesterday (or was he??), but please please start showing more confidence and ambition in your team and have a go at the big boys.

Chelsea were there for the taking a few weeks ago if Rafa had been more positive. So were Utd yesterday. So stop setting us up to combat the opposition for fucks sake. Concentrate on our strenghts for once and let them worry about us for as change.

One last thing Rafa....if you play the same team and tactics against Arsenal in a few weeks, then we will getting absolutely ripped to shreds. I am not looking forward to that game.

25.05.2005

How easily people forget.

He's got us to every fucking cup final we could have got to and we are 11 games into the first season where possibly he is approaching the squad he wants.

FFS give him a break.

If he was to leave, just WHO would you replace him with?

paulcompton · « **Reply #32 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:03:00 PM »

yeah was not the worst phone in you will ever hear

Peeker · « **Reply #33 on:** October 23, 2006, 11:41:52 PM »

Bellamy didnt play up front mate against Chelsea. He was shunted out on the left hand side. He is a centre forward, not a left winger.

Its the tactics that dont work. Maybe i should have been clearer in the original post. In the 6 games we have lost against the big boys(make that 8 including this season), he has played just one up top. He may have played 2 strikers in some of them, but he has never had 2 up top. I just cannot understand why he is so reluctant to do this?? Is he that worried about the opposition that he doesnt trust the players??

Houllier used to get slated for this sort of approach, yet it seems that at the moment Rafa is doing the same. Picking a team that is based on unsettling the opposition, not a team that is focused on our strengths.

By the way, i dont want to see Rafa go, but he simply needs to understand that his desire to turn us into the premiership Valencia will not work. the players simply do not have the tactical ability or technical ability to make it work. Rafa keeps saying that the players will be frsh after the new year, but whats the fucking point in that if we are 15-20 points behind the leaders??