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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2320 on: April 6, 2011, 04:27:05 PM »
Mysterious as soon as Roy fucked off he was fit again. Never did understand that. Proabably because he didn't get his lob wedge out at every chance.
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Re: Dagger out for the season
« Reply #2321 on: April 6, 2011, 04:27:44 PM »
So do we need two new CBs in the summer then seeing as our best one is a permacrock who we clearly can't rely on?
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2322 on: April 6, 2011, 04:28:14 PM »
read on twitter over the past 5 seasons he's averaged 26 appearances in all comps which is 1 more than aurelio, but perennial sick-notes ledley king and woodgate average 18 and 14 respectively!

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Re: Dagger out for the season
« Reply #2323 on: April 6, 2011, 04:29:35 PM »
Ayala will be coming back, hopefully Degen won't. Although it wont improve our full back options with either, Insua on the other hand would have done... Shame
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2324 on: April 6, 2011, 04:34:54 PM »
Getting more than one top CB could prove to be a very bad decision in regards to awesome young talent we have there. I agree we need one top CB, but Skrtel, an injury prone Dagger, Wilson Kelly and Ayala with Carra in cover should be good enough for a top 4 place and eventually for a title challenge.

I think you are right, let´s say if Agger won´t get fit enough to start.. If Ayala will be back, then we will be ok with one but realy top class, stabile defender, someone like Cahill, who we could rely on 100%.. then we have set of CB player who would be enough.. Don´t think it´s necessary to play Kelly on CB if he´s better on RB but he could be great alternative.. I have personaly faith in Wilson somehow, i like his style and he should get chance on CB now that Danny is out..
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2325 on: April 6, 2011, 04:35:47 PM »
read on twitter over the past 5 seasons he's averaged 26 appearances in all comps which is 1 more than aurelio, but perennial sick-notes ledley king and woodgate average 18 and 14 respectively!

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They average 18/14 in the league I think, whilst Agger averages 13.5 in the league over the last five years.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2326 on: April 6, 2011, 04:38:18 PM »
Play Wilson...

Agreed.  Give the lad a chance - it could save us some money in the Summer.

If he proves worth his place as one of the senior four, we can let Kyrgiakos go (whilst also replacing Skrtel with a senior central defender.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2327 on: April 6, 2011, 04:39:53 PM »
Play Wilson...

Yes please.  More chances for this lad.
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Re: Dagger out for the season
« Reply #2328 on: April 6, 2011, 04:41:10 PM »
So do we need two new CBs in the summer then seeing as our best one is a permacrock who we clearly can't rely on?

One starting, one backup. And cover in the fullback position. And wingers. So that's, what, at least 5-6 new players with 3 going straight into the starting XI. Gonna be an expensive summer. Easily around 60 mill needed
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Re: Dagger out for the season
« Reply #2329 on: April 6, 2011, 04:42:54 PM »
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2330 on: April 6, 2011, 04:44:16 PM »
read on twitter over the past 5 seasons he's averaged 26 appearances in all comps which is 1 more than aurelio, but perennial sick-notes ledley king and woodgate average 18 and 14 respectively!

thats care of tomkins if anyone cares
I wonder if any of Aurelio, Ledley King or Woodgate are on £70,000 a week though.

If Agger was on half of what we pay him, then it would make more sense to keep him. But paying him nearly £4m a year means that we can't afford to spend that money somewhere else in the team. Great player, but would rather have someone who was nearly as good as him, providing he was available to play for most of the season.


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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2331 on: April 6, 2011, 04:45:35 PM »
We should play 3 5 2

Carra.  Skrtel.  Wilson/Greek as the three at the back.


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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2332 on: April 6, 2011, 04:46:58 PM »
he would have had more appearances, if he didnt refuse to play for Roy as rumoured.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2333 on: April 6, 2011, 04:47:14 PM »
Who would we play as wing backs Einstein?

2 other centre backs of course :D
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2334 on: April 6, 2011, 04:47:38 PM »
They average 18/14 in the league I think, whilst Agger averages 13.5 in the league over the last five years.
Think it's closer to 15 in all honesty but either way a shite amount and to be fair and probably the most consistent thing about him. Read into that what you may.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2335 on: April 6, 2011, 04:50:09 PM »
on the plus side, at least we have nothing to play for this season....  :-\

new ball playing centre back is an absolute priority this summer, but selling Agger before we sign one and he proves his worth for at least a year would be madness. injury prone players are a problem but every squad can afford one or two. danny has such class he's worth the trouble.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2336 on: April 6, 2011, 04:50:22 PM »
he would have had more appearances, if he didnt refuse to play for Roy as rumoured.
He was rumoured to be injured. Funny one them rumour injuries, he even came out and mentioned it in the press, all rumour though. But hey, don't let me get in the way of some bone idle tittle tattle.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2337 on: April 6, 2011, 04:51:39 PM »
They average 18/14 in the league I think, whilst Agger averages 13.5 in the league over the last five years.

Holy fuck. That's an incredible stat.

We need to sell him. It's impossible to build a proper CB partnership with a player so injury prone in the side, and especially when everyone will bitch and moan as to why Agger isn't playing when he is fit for the few weeks a season.

That said, i'd give Bruckner and co. the final say. And i'm sure its been discussed at legth behind closed doors.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2338 on: April 6, 2011, 04:52:34 PM »
We need more quality players. Why would we sell one of the few we actually possess?

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Re: Dagger out for the season
« Reply #2339 on: April 6, 2011, 04:52:52 PM »
Well the rest of this season is going to be great fun. Hope Suarez doesn't develop a neck injury from Carra's marvellous passing.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2340 on: April 6, 2011, 04:52:56 PM »
on the plus side, at least we have nothing to play for this season....  :-\

new ball playing centre back is an absolute priority this summer, but selling Agger before we sign one and he proves his worth for at least a year would be madness. injury prone players are a problem but every squad can afford one or two. danny has such class he's worth the trouble.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2341 on: April 6, 2011, 04:54:13 PM »
We need more quality players. Why would we sell one of the few we actually possess?

No use being a class act if you're not on the pitch.

There are other defenders out there just as good as Agger, and they're available more than 1/3 of the time.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2342 on: April 6, 2011, 04:55:01 PM »
We need more quality players. Why would we sell one of the few we actually possess?
I agree, but if we can't get him on the pitch consistently enough (and this is nothing new with him) to show that quality, then maybe it's time to start thinking about something new.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2343 on: April 6, 2011, 04:55:07 PM »
Oh cunting hell.

The best defender we have by miles (footballing wise), and he'd get injured in a bouncy castle.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2344 on: April 6, 2011, 04:56:01 PM »
We need more quality players. Why would we sell one of the few we actually possess?

Bang on! What we need is an alternative and selling one of our best players.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2345 on: April 6, 2011, 04:59:29 PM »
If anyone has learned anything from the Torres debacle, it has to be this:

Take your time getting back, rushing in for a few matches that really mean very little is not conducive to your career or to the club.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2346 on: April 6, 2011, 05:01:29 PM »
he would have had more appearances, if he didnt refuse to play for Roy as rumoured.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2347 on: April 6, 2011, 05:01:39 PM »
We need more quality players. Why would we sell one of the few we actually possess?
Not saying he's not quality la. But if he's injured for half of the games, then his quality over the course of a season is halved.

There has to be a certain point where he's not worth keeping. You wouldn't choose to give someone £70k a week contract if you knew he would only play 5 league games over a season - no matter how good they are. I doubt you would for 10 games either.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2348 on: April 6, 2011, 05:02:06 PM »
Real dilemma for the future - How can you build a defence if the cornerstone is made of glass?

he can't be the cornerstone of the defence, but could be a great option/addition when available.

there may come a time when we can afford to dispose of a player like him (we can but hope), that time certainly isn't now.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2349 on: April 6, 2011, 05:10:10 PM »
We need more quality players. Why would we sell one of the few we actually possess?
And on the plus side of the "injury prone" thingy, he gives the medical staff a lot of experience for future references.

All jokes aside, I just hope he'll get this out of the way although the problems he´s been having could make him think about hanging his boots up.  I seem to remember him mentioning something similar during one of the spells on the sideline.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2350 on: April 6, 2011, 05:15:28 PM »
Oh cunting hell.

The best defender we have by miles (footballing wise), and he'd get injured in a bouncy castle.

Real dilemma for the future - How can you build a defence if the cornerstone is made of glass?

Exactly.

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« Reply #2351 on: April 6, 2011, 05:24:58 PM »
Very good player but we may as well sell him in the summer. Hopefully we can replace him with a cb with simililar attributes apart from his injury proneness.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2352 on: April 6, 2011, 05:28:02 PM »
he would have had more appearances, if he didnt refuse to play for Roy as rumoured.

Thought it was Roy not picking him because he wanted to play football, and not hoofball. As Agger said the footy under Hodgson was shit.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2353 on: April 6, 2011, 05:28:40 PM »
Real dilemma for the future - How can you build a defence if the cornerstone is made of glass?

You can't.

I wouldn't be looking at selling him, I feel w should have him and manage the games he can play in so that we can take advantages of the skills he has and the quality he brings to the team, when available.
But we are at a crossroads now with regards to the CB position, I feel we need to forge a partnership capable of starting games in Agger's absence.

We have Soto, who I believe will activate an option for a further year on his contract this summer, who is erratic and not of a high enough standard.
We have Skrtel, who is capable of being a good defender, who does well alongside Daniel, but is a recipe for disaster when partnered with any of the other CB's we have on our books.
We have Carragher whose legs are gone, whose decision making is becoming increasingly suspect and who derails the desired style of play with his long ball addiction who is on a bumper new contract.
We have Kelly who is a class act, and who has been brilliant at RB (a position I would like to see him stay at next season in fairness) but who I am in the next few years excited to see develop into our first choice CB.
We have Wilson, who has looked good when at CB on the few occasions he has been, but has been mostly deployed on the left to mixed success, and who isn't ready to be relied on week in week out at the heart of defence.

Wilson and Kelly are obviously staying out, Carragher should be relegated to squad player, I would let Soto go but he may be tough to shift, I would keep Agger and would be open to offers re Skrtel (is he on a new deal too?). I think we need at least 1 new CB's ready to start, have Agger there for when he is ready and the promising youngsters in Wilson/Kelly/Ayala, we will have Carragher regardless and look to see what else we do in the window to determine the future of Soto & Skrtel.

Agger is class, but we need to build a defense that can cope without him.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2354 on: April 6, 2011, 05:29:14 PM »
We definitely need another top quality centre back that can be relied on, whether or not to sell Agger though is another question.

If I was pushed for an answer I would have to say get rid, it's a hard choice though as the lad is undoubtedly pure quality.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2355 on: April 6, 2011, 05:58:11 PM »
We definitely need another top quality centre back that can be relied on, whether or not to sell Agger though is another question.

If I was pushed for an answer I would have to say get rid, it's a hard choice though as the lad is undoubtedly pure quality.

It is quite a difficult issue indeed, I would hold him for at least another season, and have him continue to work with the physios in hopes that in 6 months time we can put some of this to rest, but if not and he is still unable to preform then the club must look into selling. However, as a club a solid CB this summer is a must.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2356 on: April 6, 2011, 06:04:36 PM »
I'd rather have a 25-game-a-season quality CB like Agger than 50 games of an overpaid liability and hoof merchant like Carragher. Any talk of selling him is lunacy.

All this does is just further underline the need for a top notch CB as priority no.1 and I'm sure Kenny realises this.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2357 on: April 6, 2011, 06:24:30 PM »
we need to build for next season on the basis that agger is a squad player. seriously we can not be relying on somebody who has his injury record. he is the best defender we have, but if your not on the pitch your useless. harsh truth :(

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2358 on: April 6, 2011, 06:29:11 PM »
I agree, but if we can't get him on the pitch consistently enough (and this is nothing new with him) to show that quality, then maybe it's time to start thinking about something new.

That's how I am feeling about him. He just cannot stay fit.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #2359 on: April 6, 2011, 06:33:17 PM »
Thought it was Roy not picking him because he wanted to play football, and not hoofball. As Agger said the footy under Hodgson was shit.

something like that, whatever it was, he was fit to play quite a bit but Roy neglected to play him, or used him at left back after he got concussed and should not have played.
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