Topic: US Support Growing?

[americanscouser]

Except at least one Liverpool team has won a championship in the last 23 years 

as someone who lives in philadelphia, can see the parallels, and follows all the other major american sports,  that last comment hurts

we've come close a few times at least....

[KingKennyKhalsa]

Big Papi, David Ortiz, plays for the Boston Red Sox. He is the "designated hitter" (in baseball's American League, one player on each team is "designated" to hit instead of the pitcher, who hits for himself in baseball's National League).

Boston Red Sox..David Ortiz = Big Papi

Thanks all, so what happens when an AL allstar team plays an NL one, is it the AL rules or NL. 

I wonder which UK based channel shows the best baseball?, i know Ch5 show some games late at night....may have to get my dodgy,pervy european satellite system back up again me thinks...

[being sven]

Depends what ballpark it's played in... AL or NL (changes every year).... AL park, AL rules; NL park, NL rules.

And funny about Philly, in Simmons' last mailbag he addresses sports in Philly.... quite amusing.

[Garstonite]

Didn't realise how many Americans were in here.

It's like being in Iraq.

[being sven]

We all hitched a ride over with the Glazers.

*smirk*

[americanscouser]

And funny about Philly, in Simmons' last mailbag he addresses sports in Philly.... quite amusing.

he's right about us philly fans too....

Didn't realise how many Americans were in here.

It's like being in Iraq.

[polishmike]

Although, I AM hoping the Adidas megastore on Broadway and Houston starts to carry LFC apparel when it's finally released.  Cut down on the wait and shipping charges.

And that damn currency conversion ( 34 pounds = HOW many dollars?) 

they will but they don't know if it's going to happen before the season starts. also they will be either blanks or gerrard, maybe one more player.

[Jai]

Didn't realise how many Americans were in here.

It's like being in Iraq.

Shallow.

[shangtsung]

good to see you are able to generalize an entire culture of people with a ridiculous comment like that.

i'd like to see you announce a baseball game and then watch us take the piss out of you.

The only sport I deal with is football mate. I have no business with announcing baseball.

[americanscouser]

The only sport I deal with is football mate. I have no business with announcing baseball.

only serves to further confirm your narrow minded comments from before.  that and they were so far off base as to be ignored

[Cozmosis]

Want to have a real laugh, check this out:
http://www.gg-chat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=51673&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
"The Spurs" really pushed hard for Simmons it seems.  They're quite happy about their newest acquisition..celebrating like they've won something!

[potatomato33]

I'm just hoping that the megastore finds some way to do jersey letterings. The ones I do myself are crap =(

Like I said, I've seen quite a few reds at the 11th St. Bar, and saw one (he was about 14 years old) outside Nevada Smith's after the FA cup semi. It's great to see supporters, but a lot of the ones from 11th St. are foreigners passing through. I think. A very good friend of mine is going to England for foreign exchange this fall, and I'm trying to convert him to our ways before he gets snagged. Going to take him to the CL qualifiers 1st leg and the Community shield (he leaves on the 15th).

[NYCRedsFan]

It's great to see supporters, but a lot of the ones from 11th St. are foreigners passing through. I think. A very good friend of mine is going to England for foreign exchange this fall, and I'm trying to convert him to our ways before he gets snagged. Going to take him to the CL qualifiers 1st leg and the Community shield (he leaves on the 15th).

Well, I'm born in Brooklyn, and at 11th St. whenever I can.  There's a fair number of locals I believe.  Regardless, I'd rather be there than anywhere else in the city (except my living room when a match starts at 7AM  ) to watch the Reds.

[polishmike]

I'm just hoping that the megastore finds some way to do jersey letterings. The ones I do myself are crap =(

sorry but it won't happen. i know people who work for adidas and we'll get lucky if we get someone besides gerrard. also there are no plans to bring any leisurewear as of now. i'll know more details soon and might be getting a bigger order together.

[TheRedBull]

Unintentional Comedy: One of their goal scorers is named Paul Dickov (pronounced "dick-off") … did I mention that their nickname is "Man City?"

Unintentional Comedy: They have a Kafka-reading, gigantic Dutchman of a coach named Martin Jol who (A) has brothers named "Cock" and "Dick" (I'm not making this up), and (B) apparently talks just like Goldmember (in the third Austin Powers movie). Now there's someone who needs to be in my life.

Anyone who take this article too seriously need to look at those quote. Funny as fuck.

[SteeleRED]

...
4pool, I know what you're saying, but (and not to take things too off-topic here) these same "soccer families" play in suburbs, where the sport is kept "whiter than white" shall we say.  And I don't think you could argue that the current Barry Bonds witchhunt doesn't have a racial/-ist element to it?  Or the infamous Pacers/Pistons brawl a couple of years ago?  I don't think American sports have done that great a job either - fans ain't that much more enlighted, it's just that widespread integration has forced people to keep their mouths shut (for the most part).

Connie: not to go too far off topic myself, but maybe that "whiter than white" is the way it is in YOUR part of the world, but out here in SoCal, that's hardly the case. For instance, I'm part of American Youth Soccer Organization Region 13. We have over 3500 kids playing. The region covers La Cañada (white suburb), Pasadena and Altadena (largely mixed suburbs). I coached a U-8 team last year: we had 6 white kids, 3 Hispanics, 2 Asians (Korean and Japanese) and 1 African-American. And there is a separate "volunteer-only" league run by a local park program whose players are mostly Hispanic, with a few African-Americans, whites and Asians mixed in. Whenever I watch pick-up games in my community, invariably they include mostly Hispanic players: young, teen and old. So football, at least in my community, is not "whiter than white" (though I understand it largely is that way in lily-white Orange County).
As for the other comments: maybe. The Bonds witchhunt, I think, is more about one of the more surly superstars in recent memory. And folks want to see him fall, because he's been the least gracious superstar in that sport for awhile. Now, had you said the witchhunt vs. Terrell Owens...

[Lee J]

I travel to America a few time every year on business and have lots of American colleagues, I try my very best to dispel the myth that hooliganism is rife in the Premiership, but every time I meet someone new and we talk sport, it's always the same 

I have only been in town once when an American Football match was on, I was in San Francisco when the 49-ers were playing Dallas Cowboys and there were running battles on the street.  Should I believe this is the norm for their football game? Of course not.

In the last 6 seasons of 30 to 50 matches a season, I have witnessed 2 incidents that can be accredited to hooliganism, both from fans of FC Basel.  Then there was the Cologne incident when we played Leverkusen a few years back (Cologne fans not Leverkusen). Perhaps I just don't go to the right pubs 

Anyway, back on topic.  My latest trip to Boston, there were a smattering of Arsenal and Man U tops, no Chelsea and no LFC.  Mind you, the Red Soxs were at home, the game had been cancelled due to too much rain, and they were swarming the city.

[Stretch Armstrong]

Thats the best thing I've ever read - Arsenal are the most popular team in the EPL, extra-time CLs goal from Big-Pepe(or whatever it was) - don't support Everton because you don't want Liverpool as rivals - don't go to Liverpool on vacation but I've heard Newcastle is great 

[brightonpete]

hey lee,ya must be hanging out in the wrong part of boston.there are alot reds here.get in touch next time you're in town.

[americanscouser]

I travel to America a few time every year on business and have lots of American colleagues, I try my very best to dispel the myth that hooliganism is rife in the Premiership, but every time I meet someone new and we talk sport, it's always the same 

I have only been in town once when an American Football match was on, I was in San Francisco when the 49-ers were playing Dallas Cowboys and there were running battles on the street.  Should I believe this is the norm for their football game? Of course not.

In the last 6 seasons of 30 to 50 matches a season, I have witnessed 2 incidents that can be accredited to hooliganism, both from fans of FC Basel.  Then there was the Cologne incident when we played Leverkusen a few years back (Cologne fans not Leverkusen). Perhaps I just don't go to the right pubs 

Anyway, back on topic.  My latest trip to Boston, there were a smattering of Arsenal and Man U tops, no Chelsea and no LFC.  Mind you, the Red Soxs were at home, the game had been cancelled due to too much rain, and they were swarming the city.

you see i read this and i want to defend most fans.  but the answer to your question is simple.  one man seeing a fight in a parking lot doesn't start a worldwide labeling phenomenon.  but when all you ever see on the news in previous years is rampant hooliganism, it creates a stigma of the english football supporters, even though we all know its only a small contingent.  and even though the FA and supporters in general have helped change that around almost completely, the stigma remains because its easy for the media to refer back to it.

unfortunate yes, but for some people you will meet who only watch world news, that is the extent of the exposure that they have to the culture.  is it fair per se?  no but its the way it is.  and it isn't as if newspapers and tv people are going to put on a story about how all supporters are good people now. it just ain't what they do.

[A Day 2 Remember]

I've lived and coached footie in the US for the past few years. It is true that you cannot get a complete understanding of the game unless you go to the games because of the amount you miss on the TV. Its also impossible to truly have the desire and passion for the club like someone growing up in Anfield Road. You still can pull for a team and get pissed off when they lose.

Having a conversation with an American about football or Liverpool FC is frustrating as no matter how keen they are they really don't get it. Its like being with a puppy who wants to jump all over you and lick your face, when all you want to do is say 'Calm down, calm down" but the humour would go right over their heads.

Having said that who cares. I for one am well made up that the yanks want to start supporting Liverpool. The more the merrier I say. In fact I wish there were more fans around so we could get more watching the games.

[SteeleRED]

Having a conversation with an American about football or Liverpool FC is frustrating as no matter how keen they are they really don't get it. Its like being with a puppy who wants to jump all over you and lick your face, when all you want to do is say 'Calm down, calm down" but the humour would go right over their heads.

 WOW! How remarkably condescending!  How is it up there on your high horse?

 If an American wants to learn more about "the beautiful game", why would you be a "wet blanket" and roll your eyes at their ignorance? Would be like me rolling my eyes if you showed an interest in any of our sports but were coming from a novice's understanding. In fact, most Americans I know would be more than eager to explain the nuances of their particular sporting passion to you. But I guess that's the difference between us and you.

[Scarlet`]

Man Utd is our most hated rival?

[afc turkish]

WOW! How remarkably condescending!  How is it up there on your high horse?

 If an American wants to learn more about "the beautiful game", why would you be a "wet blanket" and roll your eyes at their ignorance? Would be like me rolling my eyes if you showed an interest in any of our sports but were coming from a novice's understanding. In fact, most Americans I know would be more than eager to explain the nuances of their particular sporting passion to you. But I guess that's the difference between us and you.

Steely:

easy...

plenty on these boards that aren't on a relative high horse about the nationality of the support.

and more than a few have a go to provoke a response as well.  

let posts like that one go and chat with those with open minds.  and keep your sense of humour.

[Glorious Future]

I thought that was a really good read - I'm not sure why some people take such a knock when someone wants to get involved in footie - he was at great pains to avoid being a bandwaggon supporter. Yeah, liked that article a lot. Thanks.

[Big Ig]

im based in thailand, they have an official website. this is a country where the more original clothing/electronics you have the higher you belong in society. why the fcuk havent we cashed in on that fact. when ushited and Chelsea are opening more shops than 7/11.

You should write to the club then.

[Hunts Cross]

Reading the comments on US coverage of football (OK, Soccer), and an expat here in Philly, its not the commentators that I find are the hindrance to quality coverage. Few US commentators are as annoying as the UK's very own John Motson, and the quality has risen sharply in recent years. Its now treated as a real sport here, and the world cup coverage was terrific.

No, my issue with US coverage is the replays.

Forget that we get no preamble before a game worth a tit.

Forget that coverage often starts as the ref whistles for kick-off.

Forget that we don't get the post match interviews outside the changing room "I'm over the moon really, though winning is more important than me scoring to be honest, and I'm just made up for the lads. We've just got to focus on our next game, take it one game at a time and see what happens." Brilliant, riveting journalism that I am managing to live without.

But on replays, they cut out any interplay before the goalscorer shoots. Its often cut so tight that the replay starts with the ball leaving the goalscorers boot. No build up is shown - and usually, this is the most important stuff to see when a goal is scored. Not the scuffed shot from the penalty spot.

To show you what I mean, take our second goal in Istanbul. It was only on the DVD that I saw Smicer's goal build up was us exploiting Kaka who, on their right midfield took himself out of the game by kneeling down to fix his shin pads. He was out of the game for maybe a minute, tieing his bits back on. We pressured on their right at Kaka's position to exploit the gap. By the time Sheva saw this and ran back to cover for Kaka, the ball went across the D via Didi to Smicer who scored. My US coverage only replayed Didi to Smicer. My Sky tape shows much more.

So, that would by my plea to US coverage - longer clips for goals to show the meaningful build up to goals.

[ssa]

Just come back from 3 months in the USA - was in New York during the World Cup. New York took to the World Cup , but thats cos its so mixed. The rest of the US did not care, as evidenced by the excitement of the NBA finals which were taking place during the WC.

I have a few friends in the American media who tell me that within the US sports establishment, there is a serious undercurrent of "lobbying" against the popularisation of football. Remember, all US sports are able to accomodate advertisement breaks every 10 mins (or even less). That is the singlemost important thing which sustains sport in America - advertising, and unlike buying a football club here in the UK (which is a rich mans hobby, i.e. Chelsea), there is actually huge profit to be made in buying sports franchises for NBA, NFL, Major League teams - see the Glazer approach to club ownership if you want an example. Those in the sporting establishment simply cannot contemplate 45 mins of sport with no advertising time.

Although, if the Americans really took to the sport, and it reached out to poor kids in the projects (where the most incredible athletes who populate the NBA and NFL come from), rather than being a sport for middle class college kids, then the world would really have to take notice. When the Americans decide that they are going to go for something, they really do it - they plough untold resources into it, and that, combined with amazing natural athletes would be a scary prospect.


"Thats a beautiful de-fense play in left field".......

[Immoral King Brian Blessed]

Weren't teh rules of hockey changed to add time outs or somesuch, so they could have commercial breaks, and thats when it took off on TV?

[Hunts Cross]

Untold resouces...amazing natural athletes...scary?

Its not so scary when you look at the USA's performances in the World Basketball Championship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_World_Championship

If football really took off in the US, commercial interests would learn to live with the 45 minute playtime if the viewership warranted it.

It is sad that other sports in the US have squandered their integrity to accommodate frequent, lengthy advertising.

[Red number seven]

By pricing out most of the common fans and overwhelming the ones who remained, professional sports leagues in this country made a conscious decision: We'd rather hear artificially created noise than genuine noise. That's the biggest problem with sports in America right now. And there's no real way to solve it.

Lesson in there somewhere, perhaps?

[ssa]

Weren't teh rules of hockey changed to add time outs or somesuch, so they could have commercial breaks, and thats when it took off on TV?

Every year, the Rules in American football are tweaked for numerous, but mainly insincere, reasons, namely "to keep the game exciting and popular". The number of Americans who sigh and groan at the prospect of a 0-0 "tie" makes me think that if they had their way, 0-0 would be a thing of the past. Remember, America is made of winners and losers - who wants draws?!!

[Red number seven]

Every year, the Rules in American football are tweaked for numerous, but mainly insincere, reasons, namely "to keep the game exciting and popular". The number of Americans who sigh and groan at the prospect of a 0-0 "tie" makes me think that if they had their way, 0-0 would be a thing of the past. Remember, America is made of winners and losers - who wants "drawers"!!

People with lots of underwear

[afc turkish]

Just come back from 3 months in the USA - was in New York during the World Cup. New York took to the World Cup , but thats cos its so mixed. The rest of the US did not care, as evidenced by the excitement of the NBA finals which were taking place during the WC.

I have a few friends in the American media who tell me that within the US sports establishment, there is a serious undercurrent of "lobbying" against the popularisation of football. Remember, all US sports are able to accomodate advertisement breaks every 10 mins (or even less). That is the singlemost important thing which sustains sport in America - advertising, and unlike buying a football club here in the UK (which is a rich mans hobby, i.e. Chelsea), there is actually huge profit to be made in buying sports franchises for NBA, NFL, Major League teams - see the Glazer approach to club ownership if you want an example. Those in the sporting establishment simply cannot contemplate 45 mins of sport with no advertising time.

Although, if the Americans really took to the sport, and it reached out to poor kids in the projects (where the most incredible athletes who populate the NBA and NFL come from), rather than being a sport for middle class college kids, then the world would really have to take notice. When the Americans decide that they are going to go for something, they really do it - they plough untold resources into it, and that, combined with amazing natural athletes would be a scary prospect.


"Thats a beautiful de-fense play in left field".......

nonsense.

in its entirety.

[ALPH1217]

I've lived in America for a long time and it's a safe bet to say that our sport has just never really captured the imagination of the American sports viewer. The popularity of the sport amongst youngsters is staggering as it seems every school and township in America has leagues for both girls and boys. This certainly wasn't the case years ago. Having said that, the so-called big 3: football, baseball and basketball are firmly embedded in the heart and soul of the USA sports fan. I've had dozens of discussions through the years with Americans regarding "soccer" and the biggest single complaint I've heard time and time again is that it's boring. Then again, Americans by and large demand to be entertained and practically insist on high scoring games regardless of the sport. When scoring drops, the powers-that-be will institute rule changes which we've seen in both baseball and American football. If an American attends a footie match and it ends nil-nil, he's not coming back. I certainly will, but the American won't.

[liverpoolynwa]

I suspect interest will grow considerably in the next 10-15 years, as it is really the main sport played by suburban youths right now. It would be almost impossible to get a baseball game going here, while football, especially, american football and basketball games can be organised almost at will. Right now I play 3 nights a week in 20-30 person pick up games and good skill level.
I refuse to believe that at least a good portion of this soccer playing youth won't become invested in pro leagues... even the MLS is improving.

[ssa]

nonsense.

in its entirety.

Well where's the evidence that it is "taking off" in America?

I don't for a minute dispute that there are numerous committed footy fans in the US, but in a country of 250 odd million, where "soccer" is behind American Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Tennis, and Golf in terms of popularity, what hope does it have unless there is a major effort by corporate America for it to subvert the long established pecking order of sports in America.

Can you name the 7th most popular sport in the UK? I thought not.

[ssa]

I've lived in America for a long time and it's a safe bet to say that our sport has just never really captured the imagination of the American sports viewer. The popularity of the sport amongst youngsters is staggering as it seems every school and township in America has leagues for both girls and boys. This certainly wasn't the case years ago. Having said that, the so-called big 3: football, baseball and basketball are firmly embedded in the heart and soul of the USA sports fan. I've had dozens of discussions through the years with Americans regarding "soccer" and the biggest single complaint I've heard time and time again is that it's boring. Then again, Americans by and large demand to be entertained and practically insist on high scoring games regardless of the sport. When scoring drops, the powers-that-be will institute rule changes which we've seen in both baseball and American football. If an American attends a footie match and it ends nil-nil, he's not coming back. I certainly will, but the American won't.

Spot on.

In its entirety.

[Hunts Cross]

Well where's the evidence that it is "taking off" in America?

I don't for a minute dispute that there are numerous committed footy fans in the US, but in a country of 250 odd million, where "soccer" is behind American Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey, Tennis, and Golf in terms of popularity, what hope does it have unless there is a major effort by corporate America for it to subvert the long established pecking order of sports in America.

Can you name the 7th most popular sport in the UK? I thought not.

Its happening. No subversion necessary. Every network and cable and dish co. in the US will be studying data like this:

2006 FIFA World Cup™ viewing figures in Germany up 51 percent on average over 2002
Zug, Switzerland, 27 June 2006 – Television audiences for the 2006 FIFA World Cup™ in Germany are being collated as the tournament progresses and it already looks as if they are heading for the record books.

Now that the first two weeks are complete and the tournament is progressing into the second round, it is clear that Germany’s quest for a fourth FIFA World Cup™ title has glued the host nation to the television, with viewing figures “at home” up 51% percent on average over the previous tournament in 2002.

 Meanwhile, from “overnight” audience research in 45 key markets, a positive picture is emerging, with some surprising and significant trends. They are being collated by Sponsorship Intelligence, a UK-based research driven consultancy appointed by Infront Sports & Media and FIFA Marketing & TV.

 Germany’s first four matches scored a combined TV audience on German public service broadcasters ZDF and ARD of 87.6 million, which gives an average of 21.9 million per match, according to data provided by Sponsorship Intelligence. This compares with an average 14.5 million viewers who followed each of the first four matches in 2002. It is also up on France 1998 – staged in Europe in the same time zone – which makes a fairer comparison.

 In 1998, the first four German games attracted a cumulative audience of 85.5 million, on average half a million viewers fewer per match than in 2006. Taking into consideration that huge public viewing is a feature of the 2006 event and not yet taken into account in these early figures, the total audience is likely to be much higher.

 In Berlin, for example, police estimated that up to one million fans converged on the official Fan Fest public viewing venue in front of the Brandenburger Tor on Saturday to watch the host nation beat Sweden for a quarterfinal berth.

 Also in Europe, the television rating for the live coverage of the Netherlands vs. Argentina match broadcast on NL2 was the highest of any broadcast so far. It achieved a rating of 52.5% (TVR*), an audience of 7.2 million viewers and a market share** of 80.3%.

 In England, 16.3 million UK television viewers watched England's first “sudden death” match against Ecuador, broadcast live by the BBC. The figure equated to a 79-per-cent audience share. The game was the second-highest-rated match of the 2006 FIFA World Cup™ thus far in the UK after ITV's coverage of the England vs. Sweden tie last Tuesday, which averaged 18.8 million viewers and peaked at 20.9 million.

 Elsewhere, the international appeal of the tournament was illustrated by the fact that more people in China tuned into the England vs. Paraguay game than the entire populations of England and Paraguay.  The match was broadcast in China on CCTV-5 at 9pm in the evening, attracting 62.9 million viewers, with 22.3% of China’s television viewers at that time choosing to watch the match.

 In South Korea, the France vs. Korean Republic match was watched by 11.2 million in Korea, a TVR of 24.9%, a staggering figure when considering the match was shown at 4am local time. The rating is only 7.3 points behind the rating of 32.2% by TF1 in France.

 Brazil’s two opening matches attracted 60.5 million and 54.5 million respectively, both achieving a market share in the region of 90%. The audience for Brazil’s match against Croatia was only 0.4 rating points short of the audience of 2002’s final match.

 16.8 million Argentinean viewers watched the Argentina vs. Ivory Coast game, an impressive market share of 93.6%.

 In the USA, the Argentina-Mexico match broadcast on Univision was the most-watched sports telecast in the history of US Spanish-language television, with an average of 6.7 million viewers. Univision’s overall audience figures are very good compared to the 2002 (+155%) and the 1998 (+91%) events.

 Infront is exclusively responsible for the worldwide marketing and sales of the broadcast rights to the 2006 FIFA World Cup™. It has made the event more widely available than ever before. There will be the highest number of broadcasters (more than 500) in the history of the FIFA World Cup™ and coverage provided in virtually every country of the world.

 The Infront press kit and full lists of the broadcast partners and new media licensees for 2006 FIFA World Cup™ are available at www.infrontsports.com/press/.

 * Expressed as a percentage, a television rating (TVR) is defined as the proportion of individuals viewing each broadcast in relation to the total potential audience of the channel. (Note: in some cases the potential audience is not the total population!)

 

**Market share refers to the proportion of people watching the broadcast as a percentage of all individuals watching television at that point in time. Whilst this figure may be high, it can in fact represent a small number of people, e.g. for programmes broadcast at unsocial times. Hence TVR's and Market Shares should be considered concurrently to appreciate the full picture.

 

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Also, if I can find the news item, I'll post it, but I read that more people watch soccer in the US than NBA and Baseball combined. It is FAR from the 7th sport in the US. But your post made me laugh. I'm surprised you didn't add fishing and competitive eating and called soccer the 9th most popular sport in the US.

[jockser]

They're always the 3 point shooters...

On another note, I have yet to see another Liverpool jersey out on the streets of NYC (minus the match days when they show them at the pubs). I see the Mancs, Gooners, Juve, Real, both Milans, and even Chelsea, but never Liverpool. Why? Because they don't sell the jerseys at the Niketown or the Adidas megastores. Which I feel, is a good thing. I don't want the LFC image to become a fashion statement, rather than a football statement. Once the Adidas kit comes out though, it'll all be over...

Also, I'd like to see any football club try to make up the volume of sales the OOT and foreign fans make by just sticking with local fans. Or wake up at 7am to watch grainy streams off a crappy Chinese satallite feed on PPLive. Or better yet, how about you try to support the New York Red Bulls. Yea, thought so. (Yes, that was a dig at someone from page 1.)

i was in NYC last saturday
i counted 1 chelsea jersey, 1 manc, 1 juve and 4 liverpool jerseys