Topic: Not another Istanbul Thread?

[Walton_Gary]

This post probably wont go down to well on here but im startin to get a bit sick of all this 'istanbul' 'One night in may', 'one year on' lark, no i wouldnt say sick of it id say a little tired of it because lets face it, its been over a year now. Ive just done a search for any related topic about being tired of it and couldnt find any but when i had a quick look in the past couple of pages there must be at least 20 thread that night.

Ye it was the greatest final ever and the biggest thing etc etc but we are Liverpool, not newcastle or tottenham or anyone that hasnt won anything for years, this is what we do, if you read any books about Ronnie Moran you'll realise the Liverpool mentality -'Well done, but next year it will be harder' and having just read 'a season on the brink' by that spanish fella from sky sports ive realised its Rafa's mentality as well. I was talking to a lad in work about it the other day and he said the same, its time we focused on the future and not always Istanbul.

It will never be forgotten, ever, which is great but we are more than that.

[The_Fisherman]

Worthy of ANOTHER thread, then?

[Garstonite]

So what now then, Mr. Paisley?

To do it all again next year.

[james_f]

Agree with you to a certain extent, it was the greatest night I've had, but I've read everything I can about it and said everything I can about it, don't even bother looking at most of the Istanbul threads now.

[dalehunter]

Ok, we'l try out some Rome, Paris, London, Dortmund and Cardiff threads out now!! 

[Mummy Spartacus (Mrs)]

You're not on your own in thinking that, to be honest I'm all 'Istanbuled' out.

But this is now another Istanbul thread

[Emlyn18]

I under stand what your saying but for a lot of people it was the best night of there lifes so your bound to get this every year when it comes round to the 25th of May. It could of all been said in one thread though.

[Sweet Silver Song]

Sorry Walton_Gary. You've got this totally arse about face mate. Yes, you are correct in the sentiments you mention concerning Ronnie Moran's attitude to victory and success, and also it would appear that Rafa is of the same ilk. Which is great, and which is how it should be. Because it's that focus which breeds further success, its that attitude of never resting on your laurels, and looking forward not backwards. We should know more than any other team. The years of continued success in the 70's and 80's was all down to that attitude. No other team in English football has had that length of supremacy. And the attitude the likes of Moran, Fagin, Paisley and Shankly had undoubtedly contributed.

However, this is the part where you have got things just ever so slightly wrong. We are the supporters of the club. We're not the manger, players or staff. For us to accept victory as another achievement, file it away quickly, and then think about what could be won next, is totally the wrong attitude to take. Imagine how dull, mechanical and processed that would be. Particularly at matches, when the players are relying on us to make a difference.  Instead, we should be celebrating each passing cup triumph, each passing win, ...hell... even each passing completed pass between players, as if it was our last. that enthusiasm, that desire and that passion, will be what keeps the players on the pitch, keep doing what they do best.. in the interest of the club.

I think part of the reason we fell from grace at the end of the 80's was because our supporters by that time had got too accustomed to success. We became blase about it. This may have transfered to the players.

So my advise to you, is to enjoy Istanbul as much as you can. It's not a sin.

[SMD]

The only people who should tire of hearing about Istanbul are the Mancs and the Bitters.

We shouldn't dwell on it but every now and then, I still watch the goals and penalties. Still gives me goosebumps and everything.

[Glorious Future]

I think part of the reason we fell from grace at the end of the 80's was because our supporters by that time had got too accustomed to success. We became blase about it.

So my advise to you, is to enjoy Istanbul as much as you can. It's not a sin.

Agreed with your post, and this point very much. But...

No, were not a club that will be happy with occasional success. But just, for me, to put this to bed, THAT night was special in oh so many ways.

I'll start by saying I looked around that night and saw the faces of so many young people savouring a moment they never thought would come. As a bit of an oldie now, that was special to me.

I'll also say that when I came back from Heysel, and our dreams were shattered in so many ways, the 'wait' seemed like it might be an eternal one.

Then I'll say that after other 'events' since Heysel, for so many of us our relationship with L.F.C. was often a painful one. I don't know if you went through the same, but for some years, going to the match was an empty feeling, one that reminded us of all we'd lost, not won. When we got to Dortmund, and took the UEFA, I spent days before going over and over the trip I took to Heysel and the journey home. I remembered the 96, and I kept the tears in just enough to reach the golden goal that reaffirmed us as heroes and not otherwise.

Imagine then Istanbul. The feelings I had, so many of us had, were surreal and extreme. It was like going HOME. Then there was the game.

I know you want us to win more, and we will. But that experience was one so many of us will never forget, for so many reasons. Im not advocating us getting stuck in time, but that moment will remain timeless, and will be looked on with greater enormity as the years go on and we reclaim our rightful place at the pinacle of English, and European, football. And we will.

[hoonin]

Its all well and good quoting the ethos of Ronnie Moran, who speaks as someone directly involved in the greatest footballing dynasty that this country has ever seen, but for some 2005 was their first experience of success on such a grand scale. I would include myself in that to a certain extend as well. I was a young kid in '84 and taking my first tentative steps in the world of football (on my own too, some of us are not born into football families!).

The whole "Istanbul Day" thing is not really my bag, but you can see where people are coming from. Many have had to live with the achievements of the past as nothing more than something they read in a book or saw on TV. Reliving last years CL run and final is no different to the auld arses who joyfully reminisce their memories of '77 or '78 or whatever.

All the drama of the game aside, 2005 is a modern day '77 Rome for many people. You should not lambast people for that.

[Mummy Spartacus (Mrs)]

No one has been lambasted.  It’s ONE thread with an alternative perspective and one that I totally agree with.  For me all this 'Istanbul day' stuff and one hundred threads all on the one subject has done is highlight how unaccustomed to success we some are.  Lets hope over the next few years that can be put right.

[_00_deathscar]

To an extent you're right.

But you do have to remember that for many who were there or watched it, this was the greatest night of their lives BAR NONE - including mine; and chances are nothing will ever top that 'emotional' ride.

So for once every year, surely we should be allowed to celebrate and remember the greatest night of our life right?

[Sweet Silver Song]

No one has been lambasted.  It’s ONE thread with an alternative perspective and one that I totally agree with.  For me all this 'Istanbul day' stuff and one hundred threads all on the one subject has done is highlight how unaccustomed to success we some are.  Lets hope over the next few years that can be put right.

Sorry mate, if you ventured over to Red Issue in the last few days you would have seen similar threads from their fans reminiscing over Barcelona 99. That was 7 years ago, they've fans have had arguably more success than us in the last 16 years, and it was a poorer final that apart from them, will not go down as one of the best finals in European history. Our fans in celebrating Istanbul with how many threads, is entirely justifiable. It has nothing to do with being unaccustomed to success.

[_00_deathscar]

Besides, to forget the final and not celebrate it would be 'not Liverpool like'. Yes you look forward to the next season, but you also celebrate history - for those who don't heed it fail in the long term.

[Mummy Spartacus (Mrs)]

Our fans in celebrating Istanbul with how many threads, is entirely justifiable.

In YOUR opinion.

In MY opinion its overkill.

It's all relative.

[_00_deathscar]

Eh did my post get deleted and why?

[hoonin]

Yes, deleted.

You were essentially  putting words into someone elses mouth. The comparison wasn't relevant and took the thread off topic. I think you know as well as the people that responded that your comparison is not what Christine was in any way suggesting.

[_00_deathscar]

No but it was a valid point - you mourn the sad times and celebrate the good times.

In this case, the sad times being the saddEST of times, and the good times being (for many) the best night of their lives.

[JoeK210185]

dont read them then is all ill say

i agree though, remember it but dont go on forever....

my opinion

[ben]

well, it doesn't really matter that much does it?

[sirjames]

oh istanbul...

[Ken-Obi]

Sign me up for the 'Bored of Istanbul' group.

With the number of threads one year on that reminisce the club's exploit midway between Europe and Asia you'd think we would never ever win it again.

[ScouserTom]

Sorry Walton_Gary. You've got this totally arse about face mate. Yes, you are correct in the sentiments you mention concerning Ronnie Moran's attitude to victory and success, and also it would appear that Rafa is of the same ilk. Which is great, and which is how it should be. Because it's that focus which breeds further success, its that attitude of never resting on your laurels, and looking forward not backwards. We should know more than any other team. The years of continued success in the 70's and 80's was all down to that attitude. No other team in English football has had that length of supremacy. And the attitude the likes of Moran, Fagin, Paisley and Shankly had undoubtedly contributed.

However, this is the part where you have got things just ever so slightly wrong. We are the supporters of the club. We're not the manger, players or staff. For us to accept victory as another achievement, file it away quickly, and then think about what could be won next, is totally the wrong attitude to take. Imagine how dull, mechanical and processed that would be. Particularly at matches, when the players are relying on us to make a difference.  Instead, we should be celebrating each passing cup triumph, each passing win, ...hell... even each passing completed pass between players, as if it was our last. that enthusiasm, that desire and that passion, will be what keeps the players on the pitch, keep doing what they do best.. in the interest of the club.

I think part of the reason we fell from grace at the end of the 80's was because our supporters by that time had got too accustomed to success. We became blase about it. This may have transfered to the players.

So my advise to you, is to enjoy Istanbul as much as you can. It's not a sin.

spot on there i reckon.