Topic: I threw my mates' ashes over the Istanbul crowd

[hooded claw]

You've clearly not seen the Big Lebowski?





Much as I respect my fellow Liverpool supporters, I'm not keen on the idea of inhaling one.

A gobful of FO take your fancy? 

[۩ Imperator ۩]

A gobful of FO take your fancy? 

Is there an urn big enough?

[dalehunter]

You've clearly not seen the Big Lebowski?





Much as I respect my fellow Liverpool supporters, I'm not keen on the idea of inhaling one.

class

[hooded claw]

Is there an urn big enough?

 


 

[dalehunter]

 


 

mmm.....

[۩ Imperator ۩]

It must be really nice for the family to think that their relative entered the throats of several hundred Scousers who hoiked him back up with a big green loogey and  dispatched him onto the piss-soaked floor of the Ataturk Stadium toilets thousands of miles from home. Nothing like a bit of respect for the dead, like.

[dalehunter]

It must be really nice for the family to think that their relative entered the throats of several hundred Scousers who hoiked him back up with a big green loogey and  dispatched him onto the piss-soaked floor of the Ataturk Stadium toilets thousands of miles from home. Nothing like a bit of respect for the dead, like.

It's just not the right time to do it, wait till eveyone's cleared off, then say your goodbyes properly.  Simple.

[Filler.]

It must be really nice for the family to think that their relative entered the throats of several hundred Scousers who hoiked him back up with a big green loogey and  dispatched him onto the piss-soaked floor of the Ataturk Stadium thousands of miles from home. Nothing like a bit of respect for the dead, like.

You are the Dermot Murnaghan of RAWK. Fatuous, self-regarding and pompous with the mind of an average television presenter. Even Vernon Kay has climbed up the spiritual pole of evolution further than you.
Remind me not to come to your wake, for I foresee a declaration of Scrabble, shandy-drinking, and a back catalogue of Embrace being played.

[fatboy_scouse]

Thats what makes Liverpool fans so special.

This thread is what makes Liverpool fans so special.

[dalehunter]

This thread is what makes Liverpool fans so special.

what??

[Scarlet`]

Im sorry but EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

I agree...ewwww >.>

The Catholic Church do it every year.

That's PALM ashes

[dalehunter]

Jesus can someone close this please!!!

its a nice gesture, but if he waited until everyone had gone then it would have been appropriate to let go of the ashes.

[Elli]

That's PALM ashes

Aww, don't let facts and details get in the way

[bleublancRed]

Don't think so mate. Not dead people's ashes all over people surely.

You're not telling me that they put live peoples ashes over people are you  ?


 

Now that is disgusting. 

I agree...ewwww >.>

That's PALM ashes

They only use the hands then ?

[Al Bol]

That's PALM ashes

And that's different to human ash in what respect?  I mean, from a hygiene point of view say.

[Filler.]

And that's different to human ash in what respect?  I mean, from a hygiene point of view say.

sorry, I'm starting to wonder if I was born on a different planet here or maybe I'm not getting the gag, or maybe I'm smoking some bizarre Martian hashish, but what kind of diseases, in your opinion, can live beyond the pulverizing of 1600 degrees centigrade of fire for a lunch hour? I mean you tell me.. I'm fascinated...

[Scarlet`]

Palm as in palm trees.........

.........for people in England who hasn't been out of the country, go to Waterloo station and take a train to France, then go south to Italy, down to Sicily.....perhaps you'll see some palm trees along the way.  If you still can't, take a boat to Tunis

[Elli]

From a hygiene point it's probably not that much different, it's more the fact that the human ashes are the remains of someone's family member whereas the palm tree probably wasn't your great uncle twice removed...

I have a biiiiig problem with cremation, never mind what you do with the results of it, so I'd never get to this point I hope but I think it's a brilliant idea. I can understand people being a bit funny about it but for the people who threw it, they were letting their mate share the moment which I think's a great gesture. And the celebrating fans never knew a thing about it, so what's the point of getting your knickers in a twist on their behalf?

[philmcevatt]

If the person was a huge shopaholic would it be ok to walk into Marks and Sparks in town and chuck the ashes all over the customers?

[bleublancRed]

If the person was a huge shopaholic would it be ok to walk into Marks and Sparks in town and chuck the ashes all over the customers?

I think you'd really have to love marks & sparks to do it.

[zigackly]

Some squeamish types on here

It's only a bit of carbon.

[Filler.]

If the person was a huge shopaholic would it be ok to walk into Marks and Sparks in town and chuck the ashes all over the customers?

phil.. that's without doubt the worst analogy I've ever read. And I mean that.

Let's just get a little perspective going here! He had an envelope, so the story reads, and pulled out a pinch. A pinch ffs! and threw it into the air! At one of the greatest highs you could imagine! I've just used 4 exclamion marks! no...  five!

[۩ Imperator ۩]

You are the Dermot Murnaghan of RAWK. Fatuous, self-regarding and pompous with the mind of an average television presenter. Even Vernon Kay has climbed up the spiritual pole of evolution further than you.
Remind me not to come to your wake, for I foresee a declaration of Scrabble, shandy-drinking, and a back catalogue of Embrace being played.

What, pray, is a spiritual pole of evolution? I trust it is a real concept, rather than the fatuous, self-regarding, pompous imaginings of a none-too-intelligent RAWKtrooper?

If I am the Dermot Murnaghan of RAWK, perhaps you consider yourself more in the Ainsley Harriott mould?

[In case you were wondering, the three questions above are purely rhetorical].

[philmcevatt]

phil.. that's without doubt the worst analogy I've ever read. And I mean that.

Let's just get a little perspective going here! He had an envelope, so the story reads, and pulled out a pinch. A pinch ffs! and threw it into the air! At one of the greatest highs you could imagine! I've just used 4 exclamion marks! no...  five!

Tucked away in his pocket, in two red envelopes, were his friends' ashes.

As Liverpool clinched victory in a nailbiting penalty shoot-out, an ecstatic Karl threw a handful of Ronnie and Clive's ashes into the air, showering celebrating fans.

A4 envelopes? how big is a handful?

The analogy was meant to be tongue in cheek but make a point. Would this be accepted in any other arena? (and i dont mean would it be ok at the stadio delle alpi) I picked shopping at random but just because its footy and we all love liverpool its somehow different?

[nige]

Here we were thinking that all we'd get tonight were sentimental, cliched,  overblown  ramblings about some bore-draw last year in the god-forsaken moonscape North of Istanbul,  and instead we get  this top quality eschatological slanging match.  Keep it coming lads.

[Sorry Pres, can never find the accents  on a Mac]

[zigackly]

I just don't see the problem with it personally. Surprised people are upset.

[Dug]

Ashes throwing is deffo a new one to me.
Never heard of that happening before. OK, burying an urn under the pitch is well known but scattering them into a crowd? Good job no one thought it was snuff and took a pinch 

[Party Phil]

I'm kind of on the middle ground on this one. It wouldn't really bother me if a few specks of incinerated football fan nestled in my hair as I could soon be rid of them in the shower. Even if I were to ingest some of the ashes, not the end of the world, just a bit of carbon dust.
However I can understand why it is unacceptable for many people since as far as they are concerned it is still human remains. Because of that I don't think it was right that the lads who scattered the ashes did it over the fans as they didn't think of how people might be very sensitive to the issue. As mentioned earlier, chuck them on the pitch, not on other people.

[Dug]

What, if any, (and I'm sure there must be a few) are the legalities about transporting human remains from one country to another ?
 
 

[Filler.]

your questions are always rhetorical.

It's funny. I'm sat here typing away and I have my dads ashes literally 5 feet away from me in a plastic bucket (it's just co-incidence). As I look at them, I see my dad's ashes in a plastic bucket. Funny that. How reality merges with hyper-reality, or indeed with reality itself. 'Yawn'.

Being sprinkled, and we are talking here about being sprinkled with little dots of symbolic grey dust at a moment of ecstacy here... wouldn't inspire me to convulse with TVAM like revulsion, but could, perhaps, clothe me in a more deeper moment. Possibly. Becausehe/she would have, maybe, just maybe, have wanted to be there too. And in that madness... that gloriuous never to be forgotton type madness, I couldn't have given a shit if all the ashes of merseyside got tipped on top of me ffrom a JC fucking B. I'd have probably revelled in it.

[Liver Bird]

I have my brothers stepdad sitting next to me in an urn so to speak and the thought of putting me hand in the ashes and throwing them over myself has never actually occurred to me. Their is such a thing as respecting other people ,maybe next time I'll dig up my grandad and take him to anfield and when we score I'll try throwing his bones over to you ....to me to you etc.

[Party Phil]

No idea. I'm fairly sure it's illegal to carry dimembered corpses in your hand baggage (although I don't remember reading it on the Ryanair terms & conditions) so maybe it would be illegal to transport ashes?

[nige]

What, if any, (and I'm sure there must be a few) are the legalities about transporting human remains from one country to another ?
 
 

And if it were an offence under Turkish law to have undeclared human remains [ though a lot  of it is actually coffin ash] would they need to prove intention to smuggle human remains,  or could he say  he just picked up the wrong envelope as he ran out the house clutching his passport and Flight Options ticket wallet ?

"Funny beak this" [sneeze] "Never mind eh we've won the cup lad" [sneeze]
*Suddenly realises mistake and makes up a deliberate ashes-scattering cover story*

No idea. I'm fairly sure it's illegal to carry dimembered corpses in your hand baggage (although I don't remember reading it on the Ryanair terms & conditions)

Nah Ryanair just charge you extra to check it in, the spoilsports.

[Dug]

And if it were an offence under Turkish law to have undeclared human remains [ though a lot  of it is actually coffin ash] would they need to prove intention to smuggle human remains,  or could he say  he just picked up the wrong envelope as he ran out the house clutching his passport and Flight Options ticket wallet ?

"Funny beak this" [sneeze] "Never mind eh we've won the cup lad" [sneeze]
*Suddenly realises mistake and makes up a deliberate ashes-scattering cover
story*

LMFAO - Cheers Nige - and I have an order in for the CD (well I will have soon).

[bleublancRed]

The thread looks like it's pretty open but a bit of a touchy subject -

nobody likes to talk about death,

No exceptions we're all getting closer every second ( even fkin super heros like me )

Everyone will experience the pain death brings, more likely from others deaths than their own

 ( good luck to all us living )

For those of us living - and I've seen it recently with my father in law and will probably see this year with "me dad" / both having suffered  / suffering the same illness.

My old man wants to be cremeated - Why not burried ?

I know a couple of spots he would love to be scattered in. One in the Lake district, the other in Paris.

If I have the guts to get him out of the jar/enveloppe.....

For me, I'd love to be scattered close to my kids/wife/- among friends

Many years ahead of me I hope, but I can understand a good friendship and a great final sendoff for a good mate.

Hope my mates will do the same for me


GOOD STYLE.

[Mark_P]

Why didn't he just throw it on the pitch.  I wouldn't be happy someone throwing their mates ashes over me!

[bleublancRed]

And if it were an offence under Turkish law to have undeclared human remains [ though a lot  of it is actually coffin ash] would they need to prove intention to smuggle human remains,  or could he say  he just picked up the wrong envelope as he ran out the house clutching his passport and Flight Options ticket wallet ?

"Funny beak this" [sneeze] "Never mind eh we've won the cup lad" [sneeze]
*Suddenly realises mistake and makes up a deliberate ashes-scattering cover story*

Nah Ryanair just charge you extra to check it in, the spoilsports.

between you and me " Turkish Law" doesn't exist

[nige]

I think we need to write to the stadium authorities and get a sign put up  about what is and is not acceptable  ash-scattering  pratice. 

Who's printing the t-shirts :

Keep  Ashes off  Scouse People And  Flags (KASPAF)

between you and me " Turkish Law" doesn't exist

Well I know but let's keep it platonic  all the same

[Ken-Obi]

No exceptions we're all getting closer every second ( even fkin super heros like me )

Correction: It can happen at any time so don't wait in telling whomever mattered to you that you love them and make peace with your enemies.

As mentioned before, good intention carried out in an inappropriate manner.

It would be great to have it scattered over a place, the Kop or the pitch at Anfield, some lake where the geezer spent years of his life fishing etc, it's almost universally accepted; but scattering over the heads of unsuspecting people - that is just not right. I would object to it as many here had done - not everybody is keen on inhaling human dust or having it speckled over their hair.

[Dug]

Yes death. Hmmmm, you know there's a distinct possibility I may experience it one day.

Anon (could be Wilde).

Thinking about it, I'm coming down in the "Oh my fuckin God that's a bit on the gruesome side," camp.