Author Topic: Morientes: I might be on my way out (Read 6276 times)

gramck24 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:48:49 AM »

I heard Beeky on talksport this morning saying that Morientes is on his way out in some kind of swap deal for Joaquin at Betis.

Also that we have already put one bid in for Darren Bent which has not been accepted.

Not saying he is right but he does claim to have good sources in Liverpool.

liamo3 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 17, 2006, 07:54:14 AM »

Quote from: Paul Tomkins on May 17, 2006, 07:03:02 AM

I think he was talking about playing more in terms of all those injuries, especially in his first year at the club.

I thought it was a very honest interview - "I haven't played well". Not many players are that blunt.

Agreed.

I think he has given what he can to our cause and without repeating everyone you can see that he does try but unfortunately his best is not good enough, admitted by himself.

I can see the frustration within him no matter what anyone thinks I don't believe Nando
goes out to give a bad performance and believe he wants to make LFC a real success.

Thanks for the honesty Nando

Zverko · « **Reply #42 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:01:03 AM »

The story is in Echo now also.

I would be happy to see the back of him. Always looked very slow, too slow for Premiership, and it simply never simply worked. His heading was also very poor quality, even worse then Crouch's heading.

gramck24 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:24:32 AM »

Benitez open to offers for MorientesMay 17 2006
By Ian Doyle, Daily Post

FERNANDO MORIENTES yesterday admitted he is facing an Anfield exit.

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is willing to listen to offers for the striker, who has scored just 12 goals in 60 games following his £6.3million move from Real Madrid last January.

Although Morientes helped Liverpool to FA Cup glory against West Ham United at the weekend, his joy was tempered by the news he failed to make Spain's 23-man squad for next month's World Cup finals.

Benitez will shake up his striking options this summer and is happy to let both Morientes and Djibril Cisse depart as he looks to prepare Liverpool for a genuine championship challenge next season.

Spanish La Liga side Espanyol have been keeping tabs on Morientes, while Marseille and Lyon are tracking Cisse.

Morientes accepts he has suffered a "terrible" season and will seek talks with Benitez to clarify his situation.

"People are saying that Liverpool are going to sign forwards and Benitez does not count on me any more," said the striker.

"But if I don't play, I can't stay. I've been at Liverpool a year-and-a-half, and with injuries and other things I've never felt right.

"I will have to speak to the manager to see if he wants me.

But I cannot stay if I don't play, if I do not feel useful. That's the reason I left Madrid."

Of his omission from the World Cup, Morientes added: "If I'd have played more, if I'd have scored 15 or 20 more goals, I'd have been able to expect something better, but I haven't played well.

"My playing style was my guarantee, but the terrible year I've had has put pay to that."

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_objectid=17089470%26method=full%26siteid=50061%26headline=benitez%2dopen%2dto%2doffers%2dfor%2dmorientes-name_page.html

lukas · « **Reply #44 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:32:27 AM »

Expected great things when he arrived here. Remember his first game against the mancs at home was so exciting to hear he was starting.

However its never really happened for Nando just wasnt meant to be.

You cannot fault his effort he always tried and never hides and fair play to him for admitting that 'he hasnt played well' not many would openly come out and say that.

Good luck Nando

-HH- · « **Reply #45 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:34:11 AM »

Quote from: gramck24 on May 17, 2006, 07:48:49 AM

I heard Beeky on talksport this morning saying that Morientes is on his way out in some kind of swap deal for Joaquin at Betis.

Also that we have already put one bid in for Darren Bent which has not been accepted.

Not saying he is right but he does claim to have good sources in Liverpool.

Not wishing to give more credence to a random talkshite rumour but the same idea was also posted by Figaro on YNWA, after a meeting with a Betis lawyer.

hooded claw · « **Reply #46 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:36:23 AM »

Quote from: -HH- on May 17, 2006, 08:34:11 AM

Not wishing to give more credence to a random talkshite rumour but the same idea was also posted by Figaro on YNWA, after a meeting with a Betis lawyer.

Which is probably where Beacroft got it from in the first place. On-admittedly scant- acquaintance with his output, he is about as close to inside knowledge at Anfield as Peter Kenyon.

Something Else · « **Reply #47 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:38:06 AM »

i posted in a number of threads that he has taken his kid out of school, and his kid gave presents to his friends and left sayin he was back off to spain

Walter Sobchak · « **Reply #48 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:40:06 AM »

a year and a half seem like very little time to prove yourself in the premiership to me. especially when he's been injured quite a lot. in a funny way i think his reputation went against him here. people were expecting instant success when in reality with foreign imports this very rarely happens. also the circumstances with his fellow strikers havent really helped. no doubt if we had a poacher playing alongside him this season it would have benefited moro greatly.

personally id love for him to have another season here to prove his doubters wrong but by the sounds of it we we've seen the last of him. he'll certainly make a good bargaining tool in any swap deals with the spanish clubs as his reputation is still good there.

NickoH · « **Reply #49 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:43:52 AM »

Quote from: lukas on May 17, 2006, 08:32:27 AM

However its never really happened for Nando just wasnt meant to be.

You cannot fault his effort he always tried and never hides and fair play to him for admitting that 'he hasnt played well' not many would openly come out and say that.

Good luck Nando

Sums my feelings up as well.......

The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society · « **Reply #50 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:45:57 AM »

Funny that Guilleme Ballague has been spot on with everyone of our spanish signings, perhaps he could be our scout in Spain

free_spirit · « **Reply #51 on:** May 17, 2006, 08:46:14 AM »

Quote from: -HH- on May 17, 2006, 08:34:11 AM

Not wishing to give more credence to a random talkshite rumour but the same idea was also posted by Figaro on YNWA, after a meeting with a Betis lawyer.

well said.

a glass of wine Sir? · « **Reply #52 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:04:58 AM »

In my opinion, we need to bring in a quick goalscorer - Defoe, Bellamy & Bent are all these; and a forward who can link up the midfield and attack, by all accounts DK from Feyenord can perform this role, although admittedly I havn't seen him player - just going on reputation, also Aimar maybe?

good luck Nando...guess you'll had back to a spanish club, for about £3m.

jackh · « **Reply #53 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:07:19 AM »

To be honest i will be disappointed if any of our four strikers leave, i really think that with a right winger on board we've got all the resources we need to mount a strong challenge.

Morientes has had a really tough 18 months - was in and out of the side due to being cup-tied for the champions league in his first 5 months. Didn't he play the first few months of this season with an injury? I just feel with two genuine world-class wingers, and gerrard just behind, Morientes could be a player transferred. He needs a few to go in off his arse to get the ball rolling and a bit of confidence flowing but the class is there.

If he was injured at the start of the season it suggests he has not had a proper pre-season for three years now - i'd give him one more year without doubt. Playing right up as a striker, not deep.

blert596 · « **Reply #54 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:08:59 AM »

I'm struggling to think of when I've been more upset over a player failing at Anfield. When he was signed I was absolutely delighted and thought he would turn round our forward line.

He had all the attributes needed to succeed here. Good control, good heading ability, cool finishing, a very good footballing brain, and the ability to spot a decent pass. Also, and equally important for me, he just seemed like a Liverpool player. No off the field histrionics and a consumate professional. I think his admittance that he hasn't played well for us is a sign of the class of the man.

All these people criticising him for being picked too much should maybe start a thread about Rafa instead of attaching some sort of blame to Nando. Do youse really expect him to say "No thanks boss."

I'll miss Nando if and when he goes? I spent so many games waiting for him top really get off the mark and start showing why we bought him. Unfortunately, apart from the odd bit of real quality he never really imposed himself on a match or the Premiership. In the end I kind of have the feeling that he'd started trying to force the issue, and whenever things didn't work, he seemed to get a bit more down and a bit more desperate.

So, we'll go on and buy somebody else and have another go. But like I said, one player that will always seem like a missed opportunity for us. I really wish things had worked out here for Nando as I think he could have been a real fans favourite.

Sad to see him feeling like this... but Liverpool will go on without him. Good luck.

Bullan · « **Reply #55 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:11:54 AM »

Given the good relationship and friendship between Rafa and Nando it wouldn't surprise me if they'd sat down and talked things over.

Nando aint stupid and it wouldn't surprise me at all if both men had agreed this was the best course of action for the club and for the player.

Nando is a model professional and I am sure he will do really well in Spain if he returns there it just didn't work out here as so often is the case.

During his year and a half here the club has gone forward not back and he can leave with his head held high.

Best of luck to him.

zen · « **Reply #56 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:14:04 AM »

He looked like the final piece of the jigsaw when he arrived, especially after seeing what he did for Monaco. But it's just really unfortunate that it hasn't worked out. He seems like a really nice, personable guy, and I'm sure he's well liked by his team mates. But he's got to do what he feels right, and it clearly doesn't involve staying at Anfield. I just hope that if he leaves there isn't a slanging match in the press. He just wasn't built for the Premiership, but I really hope that wherever he goes he regains his form. Good luck Nando

hooded claw · « **Reply #57 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:21:01 AM »

Quote from: blert596 on May 17, 2006, 09:08:59 AM

I'm struggling to think of when I've been more upset over a player failing at Anfield. When he was signed I was absolutely delighted and thought he would turn round our forward line.

He had all the attributes needed to succeed here. Good control, good heading ability, cool finishing, a very good footballing brain, and the ability to spot a decent pass. Also, and equally important for me, he just seemed like a Liverpool player. No off the field histrionics and a consumate professional. I think his admittance that he hasn't played well for us is a sign of the class of the man.

All these people criticising him for being picked too much should maybe start a thread about Rafa instead of attaching some sort of blame to Nando. Do youse really expect him to say "No thanks boss."

I'll miss Nando if and when he goes? I spent so many games waiting for him top really get off the mark and start showing why we bought him. Unfortunately, apart from the odd bit of real quality he never really imposed himself on a match or the Premiership. In the end I kind of have the feeling that he'd started trying to force the issue, and whenever things didn't work, he seemed to get a bit more down and a bit more desperate.

So, we'll go on and buy somebody else and have another go. But like I said, one player that will always seem like a missed opportunity for us. I really wish things had worked out here for Nando as I think he could have been a real fans favourite.

Sad to see him feeling like this... but Liverpool will go on without him. Good luck.

Class post Mr B.
I feel gutted for the lad himself. He has had an illustrious career, has done it at every level and won more medals than most players will see in a lifetime. And then... failure. It's hard to imagine the effect this must have had on his psychology. Whatever happens, I hope he goes on to rebuild his confidence and ends a famous career on a high note.

dragonpool · « **Reply #58 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:25:11 AM »

Quote from: jackh on May 17, 2006, 09:07:19 AM

To be honest i will be disappointed if any of our four strikers leave, i really think that with a right winger on board we've got all the resources we need to mount a strong challenge.

Morientes has had a really tough 18 months - was in and out of the side due to being cup-tied for the champions league in his first 5 months. Didn't he play the first few months of this season with an injury? I just feel with two genuine world-class wingers, and gerrard just behind, Morientes could be a player transferred. He needs a few to go in off his arse to get the ball rolling and a bit of confidence flowing but the class is there.

If he was injured at the start of the season it suggests he has not had a proper pre-season for three years now - i'd give him one more year without doubt. Playing right up as a striker, not deep.

Transformed maybe?

Good point about the wingers,(just for more heading opportunities)but he can't say he didn't get any chances. Can recall Robbie giving him a few tap-ins that were straight at the keeper or high and wide, missed chances, and easier than arsing them in.

byrnetred · « **Reply #59 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:31:43 AM »

i have to admit im so disapointed that it didnt work out for morients....ive read alot of posts above saying that he should be given one more year but the question i prepose...can we afford to give him another year...?this could be the most critical year in a long time so can we put our hope in morientes to bag us the 20+goals that we need next season it win the premiership...?

i wish it could be him but i cant see it...
good luck
morientes

Walter Sobchak · « **Reply #60 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:32:23 AM »

Quote from: hooded claw on May 17, 2006, 09:21:01 AM

Class post Mr B.
I feel gutted for the lad himself. He has had an illustrious career, has done it at every level and won more medals than most players will see in a lifetime. And then... failure. It's hard to imagine the effect this must have had on his psychology. Whatever happens, I hope he goes on to rebuild his confidence and ends a famous career on a high note.

seconded. can see him moving back to spain with a middle of the table team and maybe leading them into europe next year or to a cup final...a spainsh sheringham if you like

class player, class attitude as this quote illustrates:

"My playing style was my guarantee, but the terrible year I've had has put pay to that."

there's not many players that would openly blame themselves instead of blaming the manager for not picking them or use some other excuse.

JackoRed7 · « **Reply #61 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:34:32 AM »

Quote from: lisa.goodgirl.1984 on May 17, 2006, 01:52:24 AM

oh im so sad.....A gorgeous football player is leaving my beloved Liverpool

I bet it broke your heart when Tommy Smith packed in

The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society · « **Reply #62 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:36:08 AM »

Quote from: JackoRed7 on May 17, 2006, 09:34:32 AM

I bet it broke your heart when Tommy Smith packed in

and beardsley

dragonpool · « **Reply #63 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:39:02 AM »

Quote from: The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society on May 17, 2006, 09:36:08 AM

and beardsley

John Walk?

taxi

Rushian · « **Reply #64 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:49:48 AM »

Quote from: Life on May 17, 2006, 05:50:24 AM

Nine goals for this team - especially when he was getting a game week-in, week-out when we were creating upwards of 20 goal-scoring chances a game at times - it's a disgrace. And it'll leave a bloody bad taste in my mouth if he carries on with this "can't score if I'm not picked" nonsense - he was picked far, far more than he should have been ...

It's a mistranslation of the original interview - he's not whinging about the number of games at any stage.

mytemporallobes · « **Reply #65 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:04:17 AM »

Quote from: Living Legends on May 17, 2006, 05:26:31 AM

Don't have to be so smart mate. Make your point but remember while you are entitled to your view so to are others.

I'm sorry if i offended anyone. that wasn't my intention. certainly everyone's entitled to their opinion. However, we should also be prepared to justify our opinion.

It is generally recognised that players, esp foreign players need time to adjust to the premier league etc etc.

however, given morientes' age (especially), experience, world class & superstar reputation, we would expect a much shorter adjustment period. Rafa himself said at the start of the season that we will see the best of morientes this season. that wasn't to be.

make no mistake, don't expect ballack to be given much time to adjust to the premiership next season (almost similar in terms of age, experience, and status). he'll be given a "welcome" tackle in his first match and be expected to perform from there.

Derzyjudek · « **Reply #66 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:09:15 AM »

i will be glad to see the back of him to be honest..i was delighted when he signed but hes been a huge disapointment...too slow,powderpuff and poor finishing...lets replace him with someone who actually looks a threat ,is not easy to defend against and has pace...and i hope he takes cisse with him.

mulfella · « **Reply #67 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:11:51 AM »

Quote from: -HH- on May 17, 2006, 08:34:11 AM

Not wishing to give more credence to a random talkshite rumour but the same idea was also posted by Figaro on YNWA, after a meeting with a Betis lawyer.

Thats where Beeky got it from most likely

garcia's da man · « **Reply #68 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:15:36 AM »

It will be sad for him to go as he has not had his chance to shine... On paper he is an excellent footballer, but at Liverpool it just hasn't happened for him. For whatever reason this has happened am sure he will be disappointed by this overall contribution and be gutted to be leaving Liverpool.

Good Luck Nando and all the best for the future.

Rushian · « **Reply #69 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:16:36 AM »

Quote from: mulfella on May 17, 2006, 10:11:51 AM

Thats where Beeky got it from most likely

Beeky? Since when have Reds had this chummy co-existence with TalkShite presenters?

Something Else · « **Reply #70 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:17:14 AM »

Quote from: garcia's da man on May 17, 2006, 10:15:36 AM

It will be sad for him to go as he has not had his chance to shine... On paper he is an excellent footballer, but at Liverpool it just hasn't happened for him. For whatever reason this has happened am sure he will be disappointed by this overall contribution and be gutted to be leaving Liverpool.

Good Luck Nando and all the best for the future.

actually, thats very true, especially after the whole real madrid players being jealous of him and liverpool article

Danny Boys Dad · « **Reply #71 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:19:29 AM »

Don't think you can say he hasn't had his chance, he's been in the side far more often than his performances would justify. Just hasn't happened for him. I think he's been surprised by the pace of the game really, because he's looked horribly slow from the start and never seemed to be able to adjust. Some great touches though and a few cracking goals.

Can't see us getting much back for him either.

Good luck though Nando

RedZen · « **Reply #72 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:21:55 AM »

No No Moooooore,
Morientes Morientes.

Sorry.

Good luck Nando.

The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society · « **Reply #73 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:22:23 AM »

Quote from: Danny Boys Dad on May 17, 2006, 10:19:29 AM

Can't see us getting much back for him either.

I think his stock is still quite high in Spain, and he's proven there so I should think there would be a few clubs in for him.

dnkw · « **Reply #74 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:25:35 AM »

Quote from: jackh on May 17, 2006, 09:07:19 AM

I just feel with two genuine world-class wingers, and gerrard just behind, Morientes could be a player transferred.

Freudian slip, anyone?

luisgarcia080904 · « **Reply #75 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:27:04 AM »

he never experienced the same kind of rebirth fowler had which is why fowler got his contract extended and he more then likely wont.
i feel bad for him because he was such a huge player before he came to liverpool and the thought of under performing and not scoring goals probably didnt even cross his mind.

Good Luck Nando wherever you end your career!xxxx

Danny Boys Dad · « **Reply #76 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:28:16 AM »

Quote from: The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society on May 17, 2006, 10:22:23 AM

I think his stock is still quite high in Spain, and he's proven there so I should think there would be a few clubs in for him.

Hope you're right, but the fact that he didn't get in the World Cup squad probably hints that his reputation has taken a bit of a knock.

I think we'll struggle to get anything like what we paid for him, saying that the club will "listen to offers" doesn't sound like we'll be haggling too hard, sounds like we just want shut of him.

The article just sounds like paper talk at the moment though, Morientes says he hasn't even spoken to Benitez about it yet and I didn't think that was Rafa's style. Wouldn't like to think that the papers were getting these stories before it had been discussed with the player.

Hightown Phil · « **Reply #77 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:35:49 AM »

Quote from: El Campeador on May 17, 2006, 05:08:29 AM

He's one of those forwards that is DYING to score.

If he looked a bit bothered most of the time, maybe I'd agree. 65 minutes on Saturday, West Ham attacking down our left, he's on the left wing. He's our furthest player forward. A bit of effort goes a long way.

Onto Morientes. You can see that he's got great ability, there's times when i've sat there and been amazed by it. Take Saturday for example, balls being pumped to him, on one occasion he held it up by beating 4 men, retained the ball and laid it off. Then there was that Boro game in December when he scored both goals, not only were the two goals very good finishes, there was one ball, i think it was to Pongolle in the dying minutes, that will forever live in the memory. If you remeber it, you remember it, if you don't, then it's hard to describe it because it was just ridiculous, it was a chipped ball sort of back on himself through a gap that you or me couldn't have got the ball through had we tried 50 times.

That's the Morientes we've seen for the last 10 years, sadly not the one we've had in the last 18 months. He'll more than likely go back to Spain and flourish, give him time on the ball, something that you really, really, don't get in England and he'll be a huge danger.

Hopefully he's brought a few things to the table that can rub off on Crouch and the like and contribute to making them good players.

If you go, good luck. It's probably for the best. From both points of view.

redway101 · « **Reply #78 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:45:29 AM »

I think it's best if we offload Morientes and Cisse as ultimately neither are going to be good enough.

To win no 19 we're going to have to compete with a Chelsea side with Ballack and probably a top striker added to the squad.

I don't have anything against either player and yes the potential for Cisse is obvious. However Cisse was brought in to be added to a team that played completely differently to Benitez Livepool.

Morientes is a striker whose main assets are his physical attributes. Unfortunately these have been negated in the Premiership because of it's physical nature.

It's a real shame but I think as a club if we are really to challenge next season Rafa is going to have ensure that each position in the team has an in-form player who is delivering rather than only having the potential to.

reeop · « **Reply #79 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:46:44 AM »

Good luck Morientes!

I'm not going to be sentimental on this. If we really want to mount a serious challenge on Chelsea which might feature Shevcheko the next season then we simply can't afford to give this 30 years old another season to prove himself.