Author Topic: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips (Read 177545 times)

BMW · « **Reply #5640 on:** July 24, 2011, 10:47:12 AM »

After reading about money management and Chris Ferguson's successful attempt to turn $0 into a $10,000 bankroll, it got me think about my proir attempts a trying of building up my bankroll and then I read this from article regarding this attempt of turning $0 into a $10,000 bankroll... there was a bit in there which really hit home because it's the pattern Ive been through more than once -

"Even today, people don't believe it's really me when I sit down at Full Tilt's small stakes games. They ask what I'm doing down here, and often tell me stories about how they turned $5 into $500 or $100 into $1,000. Usually, these stories end with the person telling me that they went broke. There's no surprise there. These folks tried to quickly build a bankroll by gambling. They'd play in a game that was beyond their bankroll and, if they happened to win, they'd move up to a higher limit and risk it all one more time. Inevitably, they'd lose a few big hands and go broke."

This is why I'm considering doing my own Chris Ferguson type project. Anyway his rules are;

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1.) He'll never buy into a cash game or a Sit & Go with more than 5 percent of his total bankroll.

2.) He won't buy into a multi-table tournament for more than 2 percent of my total bankroll but allowed to buy into any multi-table tournament that costs $1.

3.) If at any time during a No-Limit or Pot-Limit cash-game session the money on the table represents more than 10 percent of his total bankroll, he must leave the game when the blinds reach me.

eddymunster · « **Reply #5641 on:** July 26, 2011, 07:36:39 AM »

I'm Starting something similar myself tomorrow night (payday

)

Using basically the same rule as the ones you mention, without playing any cash tables as I am inexperienced playing cash games.

Putting £30 into my account, then starting on $5 buy in SNGs. I am trying to get my £30 starting bankrole from the 57p I had in my account (currently up to £3.74) but If I haven't reached that by Wednesday night I'll just top up to £30.

I plan to play $5 buy ins until I reach £100 bankrole
$10 til £250
$20 til £500
$30/$50 til my overall goal of £1000.

The key thing for me is having a set structure so I don't just blast my bankrole straight into 2 $20 SNGs where luck is much more of a factor.

Throxenby · « **Reply #5642 on:** July 26, 2011, 12:44:28 PM »

too many holes in that, where to start. sod it, i'll leave it to one of the proper players to explain.
let me just say, playing $5 sngs with a 30 roll, either yer going to have to be excellent an avoid any form of swing, or yer just too good for that level, an yer blown all of it on the stock market.

Fiend · « **Reply #5643 on:** July 26, 2011, 01:33:07 PM »

Eddy you'll have to run good to make that work. If you miss a cash on your first two tourneys you're already struggling.

I was a Full Tilt man before the madness of the last few months but I've switched to Stars now and I really cant recommend it enough for small stakes tourneys.
So much choice in the 1$ - 5$ range. I'd suggest you deposit in there and concentrate on volume. Maybe you think you're better than the 1$ monkeys (Play on Stars is reasonable actually) but maybe concentrate on gettin used to 3 tabling (to begin with) and being able to interpret stats from whatever HUD you use (essential). After a sample of at least 100 games you will see how good or bad you are.

eddymunster · « **Reply #5644 on:** July 26, 2011, 10:57:09 PM »

To be honest I'd love some advice from people that are more experienced than me on here.

I don't use a HUD for starters, so is there one (preferably free obv.) that you would recommend?

I do honestly consider myself a decent player (suppose a hud could really expose that as a myth

)and am really looking for ways to improve. I am glad to be honest I posted my plans on here before I jumped in balls deep.

Do you think playing multi tables at a time is the better way of improving or paying all attention to one. I have done both in the past and am comfortable playing up to 3 tables a time, 4 stretches me too much.

Your advice is really appreciated, best way to learn is to listen.

Fiend · « **Reply #5645 on:** July 26, 2011, 11:50:28 PM »

Get 'Holdem Manager' on trial for 15 days then get 'pokertracker' for 60 days. Google it. Watch the help videos. You can watch while your playing Play 2 dolla games. Try and work off some bonuses. Play some multis. Always less than 5 dolla. See how you go after 100 games.

eddymunster · « **Reply #5646 on:** July 27, 2011, 09:04:54 AM »

Cheers, I'll give them a go this weekend.

Have any of you ever used Pokeredge? If so what are your thoughts?

tucker1984 · « **Reply #5647 on:** July 27, 2011, 11:58:11 AM »

sorry for the change of subject lads, id like anyones thoughts on this hand-

10man sng $5.50,first 3 paid
8 left
blinds30/60
i have 1700 chipsin middle position, big blind has 2500 chips and i dont have any solid info on him yet

i got dealt JJ in middle position and raised to 180,
folded round to the big blind who raises it to 500, i called
rainbow flop of 3,5,8
big blind shoved, what do you?- ill let you know how it panned out later

my thinking was the following

preflop after his reraise i had him on AA, KK, QQ or AK- (so why did i call you ask, god only knows, was pretty stupid, i do silly things from time to time), from hispoint of view it was unlikely that i was raising from middle position with anything other than a strong hand so he must have felt his was stronger,
so down came the flop, he pushed all in,
at this point i was thinking to myself, its looking like a high pocket pair, i should fold, i shouldnt even have been there to start with,

so 3 questions as follows-

1) is my thought process along the right lines, should i have been folding to his reraise pre flop or how would you advise playing it?

2) so i have now called preflop, say you stepped in and finished the hand for me, how would you play it from here, he shovedon the flop, you have an overpair but still think you may be getting beat at the moment but not sure, so you can either put your remaining 1200 chips in to make a total pot of 3430, or fold sharpish and get out of there with 1200chips still in your stack and plenty still to play for,

3) and just for fun, how do you think it played out?

my answers to the first 2 questions would be the following

1) fold, i know i didnt, rush of blood to the head,

2) probably a fold if you think your beat, the odds are quite good to call and you could still win if you read him wrong or you hit trips, still i think its a fold, still plenty to play for

am i thinking along the right lines, how would you have played it?

JJ, a tough hand to play, 10,10 would definately have folded this early in the game after his reraise preflop i think, QQ,KK,AA i would definately have shoved prelop to his reraise, AK- i would either have folded or shoved preflop, thoughts on that as well if you like

eddymunster · « **Reply #5648 on:** July 27, 2011, 12:23:07 PM »

Really is a tough one.

I would suggest that he may have AK or something similar and has missed so is trying to take the pot down. If he has AA or KK with that flop maybe he would be betting a little smaller as he must presume he is clearly ahead. You showed strength with your raise, so he knows your not playing garbage. I would have been tempted to call. And the amount of players I see that don't even consider an opponent having a pocket pair is unreal.

Or he does put you on a Pocket and has you beat $:-\$

The fact that it is still early on though would probably push me towards folding. You still have time to regroup and continue to the money.

How did it turn out? Spoiler it so you can get more opinions.

DrTobiasFunke · « **Reply #5649 on:** July 27, 2011, 12:58:54 PM »

Quote from: eddymunster on July 27, 2011, 12:23:07 PM

Really is a tough one.

I would suggest that he may have AK or something similar and has missed so is trying to take the pot down. If he has AA or KK with that flop maybe he would be betting a little smaller as he must presume he is clearly ahead. You showed strength with your raise, so he knows your not playing garbage. I would have been tempted to call. And the amount of players I see that don't even consider an opponent having a pocket pair is unreal.

Or he does put you on a Pocket and has you beat $:-\$

The fact that it is still early on though would probably push me towards folding. You still have time to regroup and continue to the money.

How did it turn out? Spoiler it so you can get more opinions.

That would've been my thinking too but it's hard to tell without knowing what sort of style the other guy plays with. There are plenty of people who would've made his plays with a mid-range pocket pair, AK or even AQ. If I were in your position I would have probably called pre-flop too before regretting it and folding on the flop.

BMW · « **Reply #5650 on:** July 27, 2011, 01:07:29 PM »

Yeah I agree that it's more likely he is holding a AK or AQs and missed the fold and thinks you have to, than be holding AA, KK or QQ... over the long run I reckon you would win more money than losing if you called him in that situation, also if you hand was AA or even KK's and the flop came out 358 rainbow and first to act you would be tempted to check -hoping that your opponent picks up a card that could give him a weaker pair, seeing as there is no straight or flush draw on the flop and to raise from middle position means he isn't going be holding rubbish, meaning no two pair... the danger might be if he was holding 88 and flopped a set - the odds of that are 7/1 and you would sill be taking a risk but a small one, weather it's worth it or not is up to you.

tucker1984 · « **Reply #5651 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:02:50 PM »

thanks for the input guys,

as it turned out i called his shove,

he turned over QQ

i hit a J on the river to win the pot,

Farman · « **Reply #5652 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:09:06 PM »

I'd have shoved pre-flop personally, and I'd certainly call the flop shove. I wouldn't be entirely happy about it though.

Remember that he is more likely to have ak than he is to have aa, kk or qq combined. And you're happy against any other pocket pair or overcards except the very unlikely set.

As someone has said, with aa and kk you're probably betting smaller. You're happy with that flop in the light of your call of his raise.

Throxenby · « **Reply #5653 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:10:10 PM »

what site was it ?
different sites i find players play different.

yer pre flop call tells him yer happy to see the hand play out. if its a monster, hes expecting yer to reraise, therefore he puts yer on AK AQ JJ downwards. given yer can only have aq ak qq jj tt, he has a 40% chance yer have A high. hes got game (as hes already obtained chips) in getting them chips has he made a move ? some players will push because they havent got a hand, others will push cos they have AA pre nothing scared them, they want their chips in now. see if i had monster id CR after that flop. id call as dont want 20 BBs with 8 players left. another sng on the way. sng are all about decisions, an the nature of them mean sometimes yer in front an sometimes yer way behind. wouldnt shock me if he had 55 88 33. the art of the sng is finding out which players play what way.

Dread Breath · « **Reply #5654 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:26:36 PM »

Depends on the villains range. If wide enough, smaller raise pre 4bet jam pre. As played his range includes AK, AQ +, but also pockets probably 66 +. I agree the shove on the flop looks like "scared" shove and as played I'd probably be calling it. A thinking player might shove the flop for value with AA or KK, thinking that you're pot committed with your hand, though at that level I doubt it.

IMO it's either a 4 bet allin pre or fold to reraise pre - a decision that comes down to your villains range. Your bet pre should be slightly smaller (150) from middle position so you can get away from the hand. Flatting to the 3 bet pre is not an optimal line given your stack and leaves you in a bad spot on the flop. If you've decided preflop that you're calling any push or shoving yourself on the flop, that's fine, but you need to plan ahead for that, otherwise flatting pre/check folding flop you're just donking off chips over the long haul.

I'll run it through sit n go wizard tomorrow to find out what the ICM tells me about the hand.

tucker1984 · « **Reply #5655 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:43:32 PM »

thanks again guys,
playin on TITAN,
it was early in the game so didnt really have a read, the hand he won his extra chips on didnt go to showdown, he called the big blind from the button, 4 in the hand, it was checked to him on the flop, he bet 3/4 of the pot on the flop, bet 1/2 the pot on the turn and same bet on the river where the other guy folded, so he showed aggression, it was a drawing board for flushes and straights, nothing connected,

Throxenby · « **Reply #5656 on:** July 27, 2011, 04:09:32 PM »

on a $5 sng on titan that looks too bluffy for me not to call, equally on that site its got AA written all over it

tucker1984 · « **Reply #5657 on:** July 27, 2011, 06:24:12 PM »

another scenario for you guys,
9man sng again, 4players left, 3 get paid, its a hypothetical situation, but say for the sake of argument everyone has 8BBs left and i have 7BBs left, how would you play this,

im small blind with my QQ,

1st to act who is quite aggressive shoves all in,
button who is quite loose calls all in

from an ICM perspective is this an easy fold into the money?
or do you call and maybe have a massive chip lead with probably the best hand at the moment?

i had a hand played something similar last night when i was large stack, i called the all ins as i had over double what anyone else at the table had, we all turned our cards up, at that stage i was 62% favourite, 1 of the other guys hit a straight to win the main pot, i won a small side pot off the guy who then went out- hope that makes sense, i think in this situation i had to call without a doubt, again correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure im not

generic_name · « **Reply #5658 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:19:02 PM »

Quote from: tucker1984 on July 27, 2011, 06:24:12 PM

another scenario for you guys,
9man sng again, 4players left, 3 get paid, its a hypothetical situation, but say for the sake of argument everyone has 8BBs left and i have 7BBs left, how would you play this,

im small blind with my QQ,

1st to act who is quite aggressive shoves all in,
button who is quite loose calls all in

from an ICM perspective is this an easy fold into the money?
or do you call and maybe have a massive chip lead with probably the best hand at the moment?

i had a hand played something similar last night when i was large stack, i called the all ins as i had over double what anyone else at the table had, we all turned our cards up, at that stage i was 62% favourite, 1 of the other guys hit a straight to win the main pot, i won a small side pot off the guy who then went out- hope that makes sense, i think in this situation i had to call without a doubt, again correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure im not

Try: http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sngs/icmcalculator.html for these type of questions. I thought QQ would be a fold and KK+ a call, but it says AA only.

That said, it assumes villains push and call correctly, if they are pushing wider than optimal then KK+ probably becomes a call.

BMW · « **Reply #5659 on:** July 30, 2011, 05:32:33 PM »

Doyle Bruntson's - Super Systems.... its a must read for anybody serious about poker.

http://dominateonlinepoker.com/wp-content/image/pokerbooks/Doyle%20Brunson's%20Super%20System.pdf

Its a PDF link of the book -the whole 200 odd pages.

tucker1984 · « **Reply #5660 on:** July 31, 2011, 12:00:06 AM »

cheers BMW, was thinking of buying this,

just finished collin moshmans book, its impressive
and just ordered annie dukes book, getting really good reviews,

Lfsea · « **Reply #5661 on:** July 31, 2011, 01:56:25 PM »

Quote from: BMW on July 24, 2011, 10:47:12 AM

After reading about money management and Chris Ferguson's successful attempt to turn $0 into a $10,000 bankroll, it got me think about my proir attempts a trying of building up my bankroll and then I read this from article regarding this attempt of turning $0 into a $10,000 bankroll... there was a bit in there which really hit home because it's the pattern Ive been through more than once -

"Even today, people don't believe it's really me when I sit down at Full Tilt's small stakes games. They ask what I'm doing down here, and often tell me stories about how they turned $5 into $500 or $100 into $1,000. Usually, these stories end with the person telling me that they went broke. There's no surprise there. These folks tried to quickly build a bankroll by gambling. They'd play in a game that was beyond their bankroll and, if they happened to win, they'd move up to a higher limit and risk it all one more time. Inevitably, they'd lose a few big hands and go broke."

This is why I'm considering doing my own Chris Ferguson type project. Anyway his rules are;

By the way, I started a thread about this a while ago if you're interested and will be having a go again tonight:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=198494.0

If you haven't seen it before.

Ycuzz · « **Reply #5662 on:** August 1, 2011, 09:11:12 AM »

Quote from: BMW on July 30, 2011, 05:32:33 PM

Doyle Bruntson's - Super Systems.... its a must read for anybody serious about poker.

http://dominateonlinepoker.com/wp-content/image/pokerbooks/Doyle%20Brunson's%20Super%20System.pdf

Its a PDF link of the book -the whole 200 odd pages.

Thanks for that.

Team Sleep · « **Reply #5663 on:** August 1, 2011, 11:06:22 PM »

Interesting from PokerStars:

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We’ve not seen you for a while, but there’s never been a better time to get back in the game. Earn just 75 VIP Player Points (VPPs) this month and enjoy SilverStar status until the end of September!

PokerStars is dropping monthly VIP Club point requirements to just 10% of their normal level this August! That’s 75 VIP Player Points (VPPs) for SilverStar, 300 VPPs for GoldStar and 750 for PlatinumStar.

PaulF · « **Reply #5664 on:** August 1, 2011, 11:28:01 PM »

Quote from: tucker1984 on July 27, 2011, 11:58:11 AM

i got dealt JJ in middle position and raised to 180,
folded round to the big blind who raises it to 500, i called
rainbow flop of 3,5,8
big blind shoved, what do you?- ill let you know how it panned out later
am i thinking along the right lines, how would you have played it?

JJ, a tough hand to play, 10,10 would definately have folded this early in the game after his reraise preflop i think, QQ,KK,AA i would definately have shoved prelop to his reraise, AK- i would either have folded or shoved preflop, thoughts on that as well if you like

Somewhere in this thread, probably the first 50 pages, you'll see a discussion of how evil jacks are. They can get you into so much trouble and leave you with some very tricky decisions. Throwing them away in the face of any kind of possibility of a decent hand is the best strategy. I believe they are Jinxed.

Aquaman81 · « **Reply #5665 on:** August 8, 2011, 12:46:03 AM »

Hey there, I've been playing poker on full tilt until a month or so back but have recently moved to stars and just noticed the new home games they have and decided to set up a club for RAWK members.

Its simple to use if there's anyone here plays on stars then just log in and click the home games tab.

Then click" join a poker club " and enter club id: 501850
Invitation code: dalglish7

I'll just schedule the first tournament for this thursday at 8pm and it's a $3.30 freeze out. Not sure how many players will be playing but it will pay top 15%.

I can start scheduling more tourneys at higher stakes if there is enough interest and this is just to see how it goes.
Thought this would be the best place to put this but if anyone see's it and are not interested be sure to let another rawk member know if you think they might.

Hope to see some players at the table on thursday and feel free to make any suggestions or give some feedback.

GOOD LUCK ALL!

edit: nl holdem is the game

BMW · « **Reply #5666 on:** August 8, 2011, 11:51:34 AM »

Quote from: BMW on July 24, 2011, 10:47:12 AM

After reading about money management and Chris Ferguson's successful attempt to turn $0 into a $10,000 bankroll, it got me think about my proir attempts a trying of building up my bankroll and then I read this from article regarding this attempt of turning $0 into a $10,000 bankroll... there was a bit in there which really hit home because it's the pattern Ive been through more than once -

"Even today, people don't believe it's really me when I sit down at Full Tilt's small stakes games. They ask what I'm doing down here, and often tell me stories about how they turned $5 into $500 or $100 into $1,000. Usually, these stories end with the person telling me that they went broke. There's no surprise there. These folks tried to quickly build a bankroll by gambling. They'd play in a game that was beyond their bankroll and, if they happened to win, they'd move up to a higher limit and risk it all one more time. Inevitably, they'd lose a few big hands and go broke."

OK I started last week.... I transfered $400 into my account, meaning the 5% rule allows me to play .25, .10 cent No Limit and so far my bankroll is now $500.

Fiend · « **Reply #5667 on:** August 8, 2011, 03:47:13 PM »

I've put 45 euro into Stars this month in an attempt to grind my way to Platinum. I'm almost exclusively an MTT player. In great shape at the moment. Withdrawn $400. Left $140 in and about 30 VPP from Goldstar...

Aquaman81 · « **Reply #5668 on:** August 8, 2011, 04:11:39 PM »

if your on stars then you should join up for the club fiend

Farman · « **Reply #5669 on:** August 8, 2011, 04:47:23 PM »

I'm Supernova on Stars, and whilst the bonuses are great (about £250 per month plus some big free tourneys), I have to say it does sometimes feel like a massive albatross around my neck.

I will, over the course of a year, generally break even in cash and make money back off the bonuses, but it's very difficult to obey the very important principles like the ones espoused in the last few posts to avoid variance. I have a life, a job and a mortgage, so I can't afford the bankroll that would allow me to play two or three tables at 2/4 or 3/6 cash (short handed, fast), but that's what I have to do to maintain that status. I don't have the time to grind for the number of hours that are needed at lower stakes without playing 4 or more tables (again, remember, short handed, fast, cash), at which point my decision making suffers regardless of the opposition. Cap games help, since your faulty decisions only cost you so much, but still...

I'm on an awful run right now, the sort where your very soul feels crushed and you genuinely feel the site has it in for you, culminating this month in me defaulting on my mortgage. Playing bigger than you really should just makes the bad beats feel so much worse because of the consequences. That's when I decided to knock it on the head when the time is right - I'll play on to 100,000 points (I'm on 80,000 now), hitting it in time for the million dollar freebie in early November, then just withdraw everything spend my points, play Supernova free tourneys while I'm entitled to the end of February (except for new year when they have deposit bonuses so I'll work off 2,000 with that), then I'll just let it go. If I ever want to return there are plenty of sites offering sign up bonuses which will be more manageable.

Fiend · « **Reply #5670 on:** August 9, 2011, 01:03:08 AM »

Good story Farman. You're obviously a v good player to be supernova. Bad runs can suck the life out of you, I know meself.

Quote from: Aquaman81 on August 8, 2011, 04:11:39 PM

if your on stars then you should join up for the club fiend

I'll join it but I wouldnt be too confident we'll get many numbers. We tried this a few years ago and it kind of petered out after a few weeks.

Aquaman81 · « **Reply #5671 on:** August 9, 2011, 02:16:21 AM »

ok we'll see how it goes, I'm in a similar situation on stars myself at the moment, not too far away from platinum with this new promotion.
Really miss the rakeback from fulltilt but defo dont think I can maintain platinum every month.

I love mtt's but went a bit of a slump after a couple of nice cashes last month so i'm grindin the $3.50 and $7 hu hypers at the moment. I know the variance is gonna be wild but i'm off to a good start after about 160 of them so i'm gonna see how things are after about 1000 and see if it's feasible to grind them permanently. Will still play as many large mtt's as i can when i'm in the humour though.

BMW · « **Reply #5672 on:** August 9, 2011, 07:09:30 AM »

What is more fustrating than getting great cards (AA, KK, QQ, AK..) but getting zero action and just picking up the blinds.... over and over again and then when you get dealt KK some 3 hours later you lose your whole sack to J7 because he flop was J67.... god it pisses me off.

Dread Breath · « **Reply #5673 on:** August 9, 2011, 02:58:00 PM »

Quote from: BMW on August 9, 2011, 07:09:30 AM

What is more fustrating than getting great cards (AA, KK, QQ, AK..) but getting zero action and just picking up the blinds.... over and over again and then when you get dealt KK some 3 hours later you lose your whole sack to J7 because he flop was J67.... god it pisses me off.

Hey, I played live poker tonight and this dude jammed with 8 5 off into my SB because it was "his mates favourite hand". Obviously, I get it in with AA and he turns two pair and rivers a full house. Live poker - I tell ya its rigged.

Ycuzz · « **Reply #5674 on:** August 10, 2011, 09:41:20 AM »

Quote from: Dread Breath on August 9, 2011, 02:58:00 PM

rivers a full house.

Fecker did that to me last night. Gawdalmayghty! I lost money there.

BMW · « **Reply #5675 on:** August 18, 2011, 09:45:30 AM »

Quote from: BMW on August 8, 2011, 11:51:34 AM

OK I started last week.... I transfered $400 into my account, meaning the 5% rule allows me to play .25, .10 cent No Limit and so far my bankroll is now $500.

It's currently at $472.

BMW · « **Reply #5676 on:** August 18, 2011, 09:50:04 AM »

What site has the fishiest .25/.10 cent No Limit games? Pokerstars seems quite tight...

Throxenby · « **Reply #5677 on:** August 18, 2011, 11:57:16 AM »

i think that stars is the most difficult site to make money on.
my mate reckons pkr, i dont like the raphics so wouldnt know

PoorScouser · « **Reply #5678 on:** August 19, 2011, 10:19:37 PM »

Quote from: BMW on August 18, 2011, 09:50:04 AM

What site has the fishiest .25/.10 cent No Limit games? Pokerstars seems quite tight...

I play tourneys for a living on microgaming, ipoker and ongame networks - multiple skins for these, usually affiliated with bookies.

The odd times I have forayed onto the cash tables on these sites they have seemed as soft as fresh cow shit to me. Hope that helps

G1 Jockey 4(betfair) · « **Reply #5679 on:** August 19, 2011, 10:53:20 PM »

anyone else find it hard to translate the sng or mtt game to cash?

i play a lot of steps and mtts and do ok
i tend to build up the bonus poibts with the steps and get the odd shot at a final step to a major live event (not quite made it yet)
mtts i tend to float just under level till i hit the real money a several times a year.

yet when i play cash (which isnt a lot) my results are not good.

is there a level comparison ie...10$ mtt = ?? in cash game terms?
or is it just like a completely different mindset?