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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5240 on: April 16, 2010, 03:16:14 PM »
I had pocket aces in a 10 seat SNG tournament the other day and I raised something like 7 times the BB and had one caller. Flop came A, K, 6. I bet half the pot and he raised putting me all in. I thought he had a hand but would be behind to my trips so I called and he showed JQ. Turn was something like a 4 but the river was a 10 giving him his straight.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5241 on: April 16, 2010, 10:21:21 PM »
Was this a foldable hand?

Live tournament - 2nd hand of the tourney - stacks start at 100 times the BB.

I had pocket 6's on the button
Old mate (notoriously loose player in the BB) had J 4 c, which he raised 6 times the big blind with.

I flat called

Flop comes 6 c, j h, 5 c giving me a set, and him top pair with a flush draw

He raises 20 times the big blind, I reraise on top as much again. He calls.

Fourth street is 4 d, giving him two pair,  he's first to act and pushes all in. I call.

River is 9 c giving him the flush and the win.

Did I make a mistake in this hand, or should have folded it given it was the second hand of the tourney?

Any advice appreciated.


It looks standard, can you clarify what happened pre-flop, did you raise from the button and he re-raised or did you limp, did anyone limp before you?

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5242 on: April 16, 2010, 11:47:01 PM »
It looks standard, can you clarify what happened pre-flop, did you raise from the button and he re-raised or did you limp, did anyone limp before you?

 My crude way of looking at is, he's got a slightly worse than one in four chance of hitting his flush card . If I play and he hits, I go home. If he misses I've doubled up. Currently I can fold and have lost half my chips early on.
Depends on how seriously I want to stay in the tourney. I'd be inclined to fold. Which in the long run is probably not the right thing to do. But then I'm more interested in the here and now.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5243 on: April 17, 2010, 08:25:01 AM »
It looks standard, can you clarify what happened pre-flop, did you raise from the button and he re-raised or did you limp, did anyone limp before you?

8 person table - the fella who was second to act preflop limped (I put him on two high cards, standard read for this player, and I was right as after the hand was over he said: "I'm glad I folded my A J") , I limped (rationale for me was I was hoping to hit a set - and hope he hit one of his high cards - didn't want to indicate any strength) The fella with the J c, 4 c was in the BB and last to act, and he raised it in the manner I described in the first post. Very hard to put a player like that on a hand, he plays with a very wide range. The fella with the A J called and I called as well - the A J fella dropped out after the flop.

That's what happened pre-flop - maybe I should have raised, but the way I played it led him to put all his chips in when he was quite a big underdog, as he thought his two pair was good - in the end it was the draw that saved him.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5244 on: April 17, 2010, 08:38:57 AM »
My crude way of looking at is, he's got a slightly worse than one in four chance of hitting his flush card . If I play and he hits, I go home. If he misses I've doubled up. Currently I can fold and have lost half my chips early on.
Depends on how seriously I want to stay in the tourney. I'd be inclined to fold. Which in the long run is probably not the right thing to do. But then I'm more interested in the here and now.

Yeah - I was certainly considering that contrarian view as well - right about the time the 9 c was flippped over and he made his flush!
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5245 on: April 17, 2010, 01:22:29 PM »
8 person table - the fella who was second to act preflop limped (I put him on two high cards, standard read for this player, and I was right as after the hand was over he said: "I'm glad I folded my A J") , I limped (rationale for me was I was hoping to hit a set - and hope he hit one of his high cards - didn't want to indicate any strength) The fella with the J c, 4 c was in the BB and last to act, and he raised it in the manner I described in the first post. Very hard to put a player like that on a hand, he plays with a very wide range. The fella with the A J called and I called as well - the A J fella dropped out after the flop.

That's what happened pre-flop - maybe I should have raised, but the way I played it led him to put all his chips in when he was quite a big underdog, as he thought his two pair was good - in the end it was the draw that saved him.

Yeah seems fine then, i suppose if you were playing laggy then you could raise the 66, personally i would limp behind too. If he wants to try and iso limpers out of pos with j4 then good luck to him.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5246 on: April 17, 2010, 02:10:12 PM »
that just shows yer defferent players, an their types. i aint sure yer played it wrong, however, yer playing an extremely aggressive player that isnt arsed about cards. against them i like to ask serious questions. if i limped 66OTB with 1 limper, the BB (who yer already know from yer post) who likes to be the aggressor an isolate limpers, when he raises i am pushing all of it. (pre flop) sure sometimes i get caught but other times i claim chips of someone that dont want to call with j4. the aggressive players win because they're allowed to dominate the game. dont allow them that. admittedly yer have to be careful, an yer going to make the wrong decision at the wrong time, however, no poker player on the planet makes the right decision everytime.
my newest rule for poker (the last 12 months) is when aggressive players come to the table choose yer spot an then ask them the questions as oppossed to weakly answering them.
still wasnt the wrong way to play it, just hindsight gives a differing slant.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5247 on: April 17, 2010, 05:35:46 PM »
that just shows yer defferent players, an their types. i aint sure yer played it wrong, however, yer playing an extremely aggressive player that isnt arsed about cards. against them i like to ask serious questions. if i limped 66OTB with 1 limper, the BB (who yer already know from yer post) who likes to be the aggressor an isolate limpers, when he raises i am pushing all of it. (pre flop) sure sometimes i get caught but other times i claim chips of someone that dont want to call with j4. the aggressive players win because they're allowed to dominate the game. dont allow them that. admittedly yer have to be careful, an yer going to make the wrong decision at the wrong time, however, no poker player on the planet makes the right decision everytime.
my newest rule for poker (the last 12 months) is when aggressive players come to the table choose yer spot an then ask them the questions as oppossed to weakly answering them.
still wasnt the wrong way to play it, just hindsight gives a differing slant.


You're intending to put 100BB in preflop with 66?
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5248 on: April 17, 2010, 06:41:39 PM »
You're intending to put 100BB in preflop with 66?

My thoughts exactly!!!

As for the player in this hand I think he played it spot on and just got unlucky.

PaulF, U would seriously fold on turn with second set on that board? What do U think your opponent has? 3 hands at most that he may have that have u beat JJ, 78 and 23. As a LAG player Im doubting he has that strong a hand .

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5249 on: April 17, 2010, 07:00:23 PM »
You're intending to put 100BB in preflop with 66?
when hes a mega aggressive player YES. if i know hes capable of that hand, an DB says he is. then i'll ask him for it yep. if i know he wants to bully limpers i like to fire back. admittedly when iam wrong it hurts, but it also allows some table control as well. maybe i aint that good, but i like to fire back sometimes rather than wimper out. also DB calls with 66, hits his set, then considers passing. if ive been unlucky enough to come up set for set, then thats the poker gods day. good thing about modern poker, even when yer bust out or make a poor decision, theres always another game about to start.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5250 on: April 18, 2010, 05:06:27 PM »
My thoughts exactly!!!

As for the player in this hand I think he played it spot on and just got unlucky.

PaulF, U would seriously fold on turn with second set on that board? What do U think your opponent has? 3 hands at most that he may have that have u beat JJ, 78 and 23. As a LAG player Im doubting he has that strong a hand .

Yep, I know I am looking at doubling up in this situation three times out of four. But it's early on and I could easily lose those chips. I don't want to go home early.  ( I do agree it's not the right strategy, but it's how I'd normally play that position).
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5251 on: April 19, 2010, 02:27:28 PM »
Shite like that happens mate. Would have played it differently myself but I'm fairly sure the result would have been the same against that particular player. Wouldn't over-analyse the hand too much.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5252 on: April 22, 2010, 01:08:04 AM »
Last week i started playing on an old i-poker account i havent been on in years, i've been doing ok the last week so i thought i'd sharkscope myself to see what my roi/profit was. I've played 226 games on that account $101 profit, but an roi of -1%. I only have a rudimentry understanding of roi%, does anyone know how i can be in profit overall but have a negative roi? Shouldn't it be closer to +40%?

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5253 on: April 22, 2010, 04:13:30 AM »
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Never mind, ive figured it out.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5254 on: April 23, 2010, 02:08:48 PM »
Baddest beat I've ever had tonight - final table and some muppett goes all in with 4 5 offsuit. Anyway, he hits runner, runner, runner for the straight and overturns my pocket AA. And I got chipped for swearing at the table about 2 seconds after the river came down. I'm like, how the fuck do you think I feel? Am I not allowed to let an expletive fly in such a situation? Play really good poker for 4 hours then get tossed by some fucking muppett? Had a real shot at winning it as well, which really rubs salt into the wound.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5255 on: April 23, 2010, 02:12:27 PM »
He call you or you call him?

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5256 on: April 23, 2010, 02:17:46 PM »
He call you or you call him?


Sounds like he called him with pockets aces and he got caught trying to rob the blinds.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5257 on: April 23, 2010, 02:19:09 PM »

Sounds like he called him with pockets aces and he got caught trying to rob the blinds.

Can't really complain about calling someone who is trying to steal the blinds. Can be pissed off about a bad beat. But that's poker. People catching 1 outers on the river happens.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5258 on: April 23, 2010, 02:24:08 PM »
He called me.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5259 on: April 23, 2010, 02:24:44 PM »
He called me.

Ah that's different complete muppet and donkey. Fully in your rights to jump across the table and beat him senseless

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5260 on: April 23, 2010, 02:25:56 PM »
Ah that's different complete muppet and donkey. Fully in your rights to jump across the table and beat him senseless

Yeah - I was not particularly happy, as you can understand!
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5261 on: April 23, 2010, 02:26:57 PM »
Yeah - I was not particularly happy, as you can understand!

Can completely understand that. Bet he gave you that cheeky shrug and smile afterwards. Argh hate people like that.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5262 on: April 23, 2010, 02:28:02 PM »
Damn in that case thhat is a  bad beat! how can any real poker player call that  with  4 5 of,  they deserve to lose!
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5263 on: April 23, 2010, 02:29:14 PM »
Can completely understand that. Bet he gave you that cheeky shrug and smile afterwards. Argh hate people like that.

You have this player down to a 'T' - a smug bastard.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5264 on: April 24, 2010, 11:28:02 AM »
Can't really complain about calling someone who is trying to steal the blinds. Can be pissed off about a bad beat. But that's poker. People catching 1 outers on the river happens.

BTW, if this fella had of been under the gun, do you think stealing the blinds is a defensible play, with 5 or 6 people to act after him? With that hand? Just interested on your perspective.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5265 on: April 24, 2010, 11:54:05 AM »
the reason he can steal the blinds AI from UTG with 4/5 is simple. if he gets a call he has a hand that plays better against big hands than say AT. also stealing blinds from UTg is the strongest place to nick em from. the first to act is considerably a stronger looking position than say the cut off point. he may have been uninvolved in a few hands recently, therefore he thinks possibly his table image allows him that steal. who actually knows what goes on in players heads nowadays.
only last night playing a SNG, 9 players left but not much action. blinds 50/100 a girl shoves AI for 1300, (99) only to be called by the BB, with AKs. she then berates him for being a fish. she wins the hand an tells him its good so many fishs make that many bad calls. no one is playing any hands therefore its cards an not actually poker that wins the day.


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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5266 on: April 24, 2010, 12:05:37 PM »
the reason he can steal the blinds AI from UTG with 4/5 is simple. if he gets a call he has a hand that plays better against big hands than say AT. also stealing blinds from UTg is the strongest place to nick em from. the first to act is considerably a stronger looking position than say the cut off point. he may have been uninvolved in a few hands recently, therefore he thinks possibly his table image allows him that steal. who actually knows what goes on in players heads nowadays.
only last night playing a SNG, 9 players left but not much action. blinds 50/100 a girl shoves AI for 1300, (99) only to be called by the BB, with AKs. she then berates him for being a fish. she wins the hand an tells him its good so many fishs make that many bad calls. no one is playing any hands therefore its cards an not actually poker that wins the day.


Well, the situation is hypothetical - but I think if he tried to steal UTG with 4 5 offsuit, that is pretty bad play - I'd even call it muppet-like. With numerous people to act afterwards, some quite aggressive, if he's trying the steal from that position by representing something else he has to get through a quite a number of players to do so. Effectively he's staking his tournament life on 4, 5 offsuit. It'd not be just bad play, it'd be terrible play. Anyone with a pocket pair could call, and anyone with an A with a decent kicker could call. anyone with suited connectors could call - and if they did he'd be a big underdog. 

The player concerned is not known for being tight - as you can understand calling an all in with 4, 5 offsuit, as he did in reality, so trying to steal from under the gun with that hand doesn't make any sense at all - but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5267 on: April 24, 2010, 12:58:19 PM »
BTW, if this fella had of been under the gun, do you think stealing the blinds is a defensible play, with 5 or 6 people to act after him? With that hand? Just interested on your perspective.

Myself being a tight aggressive player I hardly try to steal the blinds UTG. Personally I think shoving with 45 off UTG just to pick up the blinds would be a bad move. You have far too many people to act behind you, and the chances of 2 people picking up a decent hand are quite good. Whereas if you are in the CO or on the button the chances significantly decrease of someone having a big hand, if they do then it's bad luck and not necessarily bad play.

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5268 on: April 24, 2010, 01:50:27 PM »
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PokerStars Game #43117561156:  Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10 USD) - 2010/04/24 8:40:22 ET
Table 'Ciurlionis' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: BarneyG4mble ($706 in chips)
Seat 2: Angelchip ($1477.60 in chips)
Seat 3: kuckanun ($1915.25 in chips)
Seat 4: SipRocketBoy ($541 in chips)
Seat 5: chino285 ($2914 in chips)
Seat 6: OMFGo_OSYLAR ($792 in chips)
BarneyG4mble: posts small blind $5
Angelchip: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Angelchip [Ah Kh]
kuckanun: calls $10
SipRocketBoy: raises $22 to $32
chino285: folds
OMFGo_OSYLAR: folds
BarneyG4mble: folds
Angelchip: raises $118 to $150
kuckanun: calls $140
SipRocketBoy: calls $118
*** FLOP *** [6h 7c 3d]
Angelchip: bets $400
kuckanun: raises $400 to $800
SipRocketBoy: folds
Angelchip: raises $527.60 to $1327.60 and is all-in
kuckanun: calls $527.60
*** TURN *** [6h 7c 3d] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [6h 7c 3d Jh] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Angelchip: shows [Ah Kh] (a flush, Ace high)
kuckanun: shows [6c 7d] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Angelchip collected $3107.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3110.20 | Rake $3
Board [6h 7c 3d Jh Th]
Seat 1: BarneyG4mble (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Angelchip (big blind) showed [Ah Kh] and won ($3107.20) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: kuckanun showed [6c 7d] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 4: SipRocketBoy folded on the Flop
Seat 5: chino285 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: OMFGo_OSYLAR (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)



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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5269 on: April 24, 2010, 01:52:43 PM »
Calls a reraise with 6c 7d? Deserves to get beat!

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5270 on: April 24, 2010, 01:54:23 PM »
Well, the situation is hypothetical - but I think if he tried to steal UTG with 4 5 offsuit, that is pretty bad play - I'd even call it muppet-like. With numerous people to act afterwards, some quite aggressive, if he's trying the steal from that position by representing something else he has to get through a quite a number of players to do so. Effectively he's staking his tournament life on 4, 5 offsuit. It'd not be just bad play, it'd be terrible play. Anyone with a pocket pair could call, and anyone with an A with a decent kicker could call. anyone with suited connectors could call - and if they did he'd be a big underdog. 

The player concerned is not known for being tight - as you can understand calling an all in with 4, 5 offsuit, as he did in reality, so trying to steal from under the gun with that hand doesn't make any sense at all - but that's just my opinion.
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well thats different to calling. he either called or pushed. the rules of poker allow any steal with any 2 cards at any stage. final table means if yer just hoping yer big hand plays against his smaller hand then thats cards not poker. the nature of it requires poor play to be successful at times. if yer complaining about the beat, well theres a few stories knocking around on here, (however we elected to ban them) they happen.
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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5271 on: April 24, 2010, 04:07:37 PM »
Chakan, it's hard to explain how bad he was playing. This is 5/10 short handed ring game remember, not some $2 donkathon.

Two examples. One time he was bb. The man under the gun raised to 30, next guy calls, then this fella raises to 100. Under the gun man raises to 1000. Next guy folds. This fella CALLS and turns over 94! Unreal at this level!

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Re: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips
« Reply #5272 on: April 24, 2010, 04:09:46 PM »
Chakan, it's hard to explain how bad he was playing. This is 5/10 short handed ring game remember, not some $2 donkathon.

Two examples. One time he was bb. The man under the gun raised to 30, next guy calls, then this fella raises to 100. Under the gun man raises to 1000. Next guy folds. This fella CALLS and turns over 94! Unreal at this level!

Another time I bluffed a $120 pot with a $100 bet on the river. I had jack high. He called, and lost!

People with far too much money to throw away.... definitely someone who doesn't care how bad he plays

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« Reply #5273 on: April 25, 2010, 06:20:27 PM »
Anyone in the $1 Main Event Seat Qualifier ? starts in 10 min top 5 people win a package worth $12,000 to the WSOP in Las Vagas! lets see how long it takes me to crash out

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« Reply #5274 on: April 25, 2010, 07:50:09 PM »
Anyone in the $1 Main Event Seat Qualifier ? starts in 10 min top 5 people win a package worth $12,000 to the WSOP in Las Vagas! lets see how long it takes me to crash out

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« Reply #5275 on: April 25, 2010, 07:51:47 PM »
I'm in it, Up to 5k so far

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« Reply #5276 on: April 25, 2010, 07:52:46 PM »
And now I'm busted, apparently someone couldn't fold their QT preflop :(
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« Reply #5277 on: April 25, 2010, 07:53:08 PM »
And now I'm busted, apparently someone couldn't fold their QT preflop :(

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« Reply #5278 on: April 25, 2010, 07:56:18 PM »
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« Reply #5279 on: April 25, 2010, 08:30:22 PM »
Finished 3000 in the end, played a bit lose in the end didnt wanna crash out in the top 100 would of hurt a lot more.
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