Topic: Texas Hold 'Em Poker Tips

[Throxenby]

anyone use the poker tools ?
have been using full tilt, however, anyone know any good offers going on other sites.

[jason42]

Pocket Jacks are fucking devious bastards and are not to be trusted at any stage. You'd be better off with 92 off...

[Throxenby]

Pocket Jacks are fucking devious bastards and are not to be trusted at any stage. You'd be better off with 92 off...

better than bitches

[Laughter is the best medicine...]

anyone use the poker tools ?
have been using full tilt, however, anyone know any good offers going on other sites.

what tools ?

[Throxenby]

poker analysis software

[PaulF]

better than bitches

I thought the rawk mantra was that JJ was the devil's hand?

Although I think it was you that pointed out, when you look at it, it seems quite good, pair of face cards. But anyone out there holding just one of A,k,q has to hit in 5 cards to beat you. Not really good odds.

The pearl of wisdom being that if you are dealt JJ, you are probably going to lose money, if you are, make sure you aren't planning to lose a lot!

Couple of other tips from the huge numbers of posts here, sorry I can't remember who originally posted what.

Get yer head around the concept of 'M' which is basically how many big blinds you have left in yer chip stack. Sometimes you can start to panic and do stupid stuff when you still have 10 Big blinds left. DONT.  Stick around ,play sensible and you can still afford to be waiting for a good hand.

Get an understanding of position.  If you are in an 'early' position you need to have a much stronger hand than in a late postion.

I don't know the name of this last tip, 'gap concept' perhaps.  Basically you need to have a much better hand to call someone that you do to raise. The idea being that a raise might be a bluff to push people off. But it probably isn't to call, you either have to have a VERY good reason to think someone is bluffing, or be confident you have them beat.

PS - how would you define ABC poker?

[Throxenby]

jj is something i can easily get rid of. (although not in tourneys)
bitches are the source of all things wrong.
had em in a tourney last week, 2nd in chips with 300 players left. (65000) raised, flop 44q, only player in was CL in whole fukin thing. (me working out how to double up off him) bet flop, he calls. j turn, check he bets i call. river card 7, i check he bets, i reraise AI, he calls with 44. (all women are evil)
ABC is no fancy shite, make the poor player pay for everything. nothing other than milking them.
 
 

[generic_name]

Another tip, under no circumstances play on i-poker unless you want to tilt off your roll to a 16 year old french kid who doesnt even understand the hand rankings.

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If you're serious about understanding poker, try reading Harrington.

A very easy and understandable read, covers a lot of basics and gives you a good grounding for how the game fits together in general.

[Farman]

Accept that, like most hobbies, it is going to cost you money, at least in the short to medium term. Don't think you can learn anything from play money other than very very basic concepts and how the software feels.

Buy a book or two (Harrington on Hold Em and Harrington on Cash Games are indeed both good, although you'll need to know the basics first), and alongside your reading, play the lowest stakes cash game or tourney (depending on your personal preference) that you can find. You will find plenty of idiocy at that level but at least if it's real money people will be playing a bit more seriously. Don't be too disheartened if you lose money, especially if you didn't deserve it...taking 'bad beats' is something you've got to live with and control your reaction to.

Some quick advice...most of the time you just have to be patient - at a full table folding the vast majority of the time. Especially as you're new - you need to play 'tight' (that is, folding marginal hands that others might play), so you don't loose too much while you're learning.

Also, it pays to play the opposite of the rest of the table. If others are throwing chips around (which happens a lot at low levels) then don't be tempted to follow them; you'll win more by only playing your biggies, just grit your teeth and fold. And if they're playing tight, then play more pots to steal.

When you fold, don't just do nothing until your next hand. Watch what others do and see if you can predict what they have. See if you can pick out good players from bad players, and tight players from loose players. You'll need to adjust your play accordingly (for example, if you have an above average but not great hand, you'll need to fold to someone who has raised that you have seen play very few hands, but you may want to play the same hand in the same position against a very loose player).

Finally, once you've picked it up, it's easy to think you're better than what you are. Don't get excited by moving up levels too quickly after a win or two. Stay where you are and be sure you are consistently winning before moving up.

[JimmyGrunt]

Accept that, like most hobbies, it is going to cost you money, at least in the short to medium term. Don't think you can learn anything from play money other than very very basic concepts and how the software feels.

Buy a book or two (Harrington on Hold Em and Harrington on Cash Games are indeed both good, although you'll need to know the basics first), and alongside your reading, play the lowest stakes cash game or tourney (depending on your personal preference) that you can find. You will find plenty of idiocy at that level but at least if it's real money people will be playing a bit more seriously. Don't be too disheartened if you lose money, especially if you didn't deserve it...taking 'bad beats' is something you've got to live with and control your reaction to.

Some quick advice...most of the time you just have to be patient - at a full table folding the vast majority of the time. Especially as you're new - you need to play 'tight' (that is, folding marginal hands that others might play), so you don't loose too much while you're learning.

Also, it pays to play the opposite of the rest of the table. If others are throwing chips around (which happens a lot at low levels) then don't be tempted to follow them; you'll win more by only playing your biggies, just grit your teeth and fold. And if they're playing tight, then play more pots to steal.

When you fold, don't just do nothing until your next hand. Watch what others do and see if you can predict what they have. See if you can pick out good players from bad players, and tight players from loose players. You'll need to adjust your play accordingly (for example, if you have an above average but not great hand, you'll need to fold to someone who has raised that you have seen play very few hands, but you may want to play the same hand in the same position against a very loose player).

Finally, once you've picked it up, it's easy to think you're better than what you are. Don't get excited by moving up levels too quickly after a win or two. Stay where you are and be sure you are consistently winning before moving up.

appreciate it.

I'm off to have a few games on facebook now.

Its a start.

[Chakan]

Banned Phil Ivey Commercial funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9X3h-avdFE&feature=related

[conman]

tryin to play a play money tournamet on Paddy Power Poker, and i really cannot stand the "all ins"
im at it 40-50 mins now, and its quite annoying to be honest.. fair enough, its play money..

[LCDP]

tryin to play a play money tournamet on Paddy Power Poker, and i really cannot stand the "all ins"
im at it 40-50 mins now, and its quite annoying to be honest.. fair enough, its play money..

You'd be better off learning on the 1c/2c tables and just depositing $20 in to an account. Full Tilt Poker offer an academy where people can watch lessons from the pros and do a couple of good teaching on starting out and playing on the low staked tables.
Plus you can get deals whereby you can earn free money also.

[conman]

You'd be better off learning on the 1c/2c tables and just depositing $20 in to an account. Full Tilt Poker offer an academy where people can watch lessons from the pros and do a couple of good teaching on starting out and playing on the low staked tables.
Plus you can get deals whereby you can earn free money also.

Im not allowed play on Full Tilt tables.

So i have to go elsewhere.. Im just playing a few freebee tourneys before i deposit some coins in an account, but im also checking out different poker sites to see which i prefer..

[LCDP]

Im not allowed play on Full Tilt tables.

So i have to go elsewhere.. Im just playing a few freebee tourneys before i deposit some coins in an account, but im also checking out different poker sites to see which i prefer..

What did you go to get banned?

[conman]

What did you go to get banned?

nah, I work for them

[jason42]

Just won another Double Heads Up Shootout to win $4

On my other table I was massive chip leader all in with AJ against KK. Flop comes AJ6 and I am chuffed and fucking turn was a King

[Throxenby]

nah, I work for them

as what ?
are yer the bastard that tweaks the software so some c*nt hits their kicker when over playing a dominated A ?

[Chakan]

nah, I work for them

oooh inside info... so is it really "totally random"?

[conman]

oooh inside info... so is it really "totally random"?

i work on the network infrastructure, not the server builds or the random generator..

as what ?
are yer the bastard that tweaks the software so some c*nt hits their kicker when over playing a dominated A ?

lol... not quite, thats just poor poker play by you 

[Chakan]

i work on the network infrastructure, not the server builds or the random generator..

But you must know some of the programmers or something... throw me a bone here!

[TOGH]

i work on the network infrastructure, not the server builds or the random generator..
 lol... not quite, thats just poor poker play by you 

Can I have a superuser account please?

[gazzathered]

Keep getting done when i've got a low pair, what do people reccomend before the flop, a check ,small raise or big raise ?

[PaulF]

Keep getting done when i've got a low pair, what do people reccomend before the flop, a check ,small raise or big raise ?

Depends on your position, stack size relative to other players in the pot/ likely to enter the plot, table image, how others have been playing , and what colour boots Torres is wearing

[Farman]

Keep getting done when i've got a low pair, what do people reccomend before the flop, a check ,small raise or big raise ?

Fold/check, call, small raise or big raise, depending on some things mentioned by Paul, also depending on what happened before you, table size, blind/ante sizes and tournament structure, prize money and your situation in it.

I once folded pocket aces pre-flop, purely due to the way the tourney was. There were 1,000+ entrants, 8 left, and the only prize was a big tourney ticket for each of the final 7. I had the second biggest stack, comfortable, with 3 low stacks hanging on for grim life. The big stack went all-in, and there was just no point in calling, even though I was likely to win.

If you have specific examples I'm sure people will give their opinions.

[Throxenby]

lol... not quite, thats just poor poker play by you 

thats where yer wrong, if yer checked yer accounts its got me down as a poor player, thats not to say i play poorly, just yer software has made me poor. if getting all yer money in with the river to come, with them only having a hope of hitting 3 outs makes me poor, well yer right, poor play. alternatively, it might just be that my big losing hands are usaully where ive been in against someone drawing.

dont play small pairs unless its cheap, or yer prepared to stick a small stack in pre flop. you need the odds to trip up, its no use raising to thin the field as the most profitable way to play smallish pairs is set mining.

serious question for the knowledgeable players.
if iam playing small stakes cash, if i think they're drawing (flush straight) an i think i have the best hand top pair top kicker, over pair, two pair or trips, supposing i bet an they check raise or purely just raise from later position, whats the best course of action. do i reraise all in, call and if they reraise me all in do i call because if i have the best hand an they're drawing they need the odds to call whereas i can take 1/1 money or better ? sometimes i lose too much money drawing, but if yer pass all yer draws people will continually push yer off them with fuk all. i understand a bit about odds, but is even money or better good enough to make the call with the best hand ?

[Hulting]

dont play

[Chakan]

serious question for the knowledgeable players.
if iam playing small stakes cash, if i think they're drawing (flush straight) an i think i have the best hand top pair top kicker, over pair, two pair or trips, supposing i bet an they check raise or purely just raise from later position, whats the best course of action. do i reraise all in, call and if they reraise me all in do i call because if i have the best hand an they're drawing they need the odds to call whereas i can take 1/1 money or better ? sometimes i lose too much money drawing, but if yer pass all yer draws people will continually push yer off them with fuk all. i understand a bit about odds, but is even money or better good enough to make the call with the best hand ?

It depends on a few things.

A. who you are playing against.

If you know this player is very tight, he/she will probably have a huge flush draw. AK KQ AJ. I mean if your top pair is a 10 and you have an have an A kicker, you have AK or AJ dominated to the point of them needing a J (the A doesn't help them) But you have to figure if it's heads up and it's on the flop they have 13 outs run twice... not great odds for you. You are still favorite but it's not ideal. Tight players usually don't reraise on a 10 high flush draw.

B. What is their stack size?

If I have a medium stack size and I reraise with my flush draw and you go over the top and put me all in... if I have committed half my stack to the pot there is no way I am folding. So be aware of it.

C. How high are the stakes?

If the stakes are low why not play around a bit, force then on the backfoot, the best defense is a good offense.... by reraising in that position you put the pressure back on them. It also tells them you have a hand and they will be behind and need to draw out on ya.

D. What type of player are you?

If you are aggressive then a push all in for them is the likeliest option. If you are conservative then maybe you just call and put pressure on them on the turn if they didn't hit.

Just some stuff to think about.

[Throxenby]

cheers
i aint really any type of player really. if the table is tight i'll see a few limps play post flop, if its quite loose i'll tighten up, but then go quite aggressive. i would say at the bigger stakes over $2 blinds iam quite weak, always think they will outplay me. because the pots get quite big, i cant afford to play marginal hands, however, if they work it out quick a great many price me out of it if a show any weakness. if a player looks like he wants to keep the poits small, its usually a signal yer can buy him off it. (not always but quite a few times, say their second pair will be laid down) i now dont play over 50/$1 or lower (depending on how much of me bank ive drawn on an pissed away)
against aggressive players i cant play post flop, too many times they check raise my continuation bet, an quite a few times i make a poor decision. either passing to a complete steal, or calling against a monster.

[Lethal]

Bad poker story for you's. Full tilt tournament, going well.

Get A A, decide to go all in. Chip leader calls me with K 10. Flop comes A J 5. I'm thinking grand, no Queen. Turns a 7. Rivers the Queen. Cruel game.

[Chakan]

Bad poker story for you's. Full tilt tournament, going well.

Get A A, decide to go all in. Chip leader calls me with K 10. Flop comes A J 5. I'm thinking grand, no Queen. Turns a 7. Rivers the Queen. Cruel game.

Had some thing similar in my poker league yesterday.
Final table 5 people left.

Me UTG blinds are 5,000/10,000 my stack is 45,000, pick up KK go all in... SB goes all in (Huge stack) BB calls (she all in)

SB = AQ BB= AJ

flop KQJ I am yaying, turn is a 10 they chop the pot and I got out

[TOGH]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh...... FML,  win this hand and I'm in great shape for the €2000 package and a weekend in gran canaria

Game # 1536524566 - Texas Hold'em No Limit 500/1,000 - Table "Tournament Table Team Devilfish EMOP GC Final 7250050 4"

Players(max 9):
kristobalZ                  (23,499.00 in seat 1)
SrBlufALot                  (17,090.00 in seat 3)
jlinnola                    (6,845.00 in seat 4)
JamieCarra                  (10,311.00 in seat 6)
rankbaajin                  (11,879.00 in seat 9)

Dealer:                     rankbaajin
Small Blind:                kristobalZ  (500.00)
Big Blind:                  SrBlufALot  (1,000.00)

JamieCarra was dealt:       4h - 4s

jlinnola                    Fold
JamieCarra                  All-In      (10,311.00)
rankbaajin                  Fold
kristobalZ                  Fold
SrBlufALot                  Call        (9,311.00)

Flop                        Qd - 4d - 9s
Turn                        Qd - 4d - 9s - Js
River                       Qd - 4d - 9s - Js - Tc

SrBlufALot shows:           Jc - Jd (three of a kind, Jacks)
JamieCarra shows:           4h - 4s (three of a kind, Fours)

SrBlufALot wins:            21,122.00 (with three of a kind, Jacks)

Game ended 2010-01-14 22:12:48 GMT

[TOGH]

Just shipped a seat for the Manchester UKIPT

[generic_name]

January's started well, a solid 50 bi downswing, sweet.

[TOGH]

January's started well, a solid 50 bi downswing, sweet.

50bi??? Holy Shit, what type of games you playing?

[TOGH]

Just shipped a seat for the Manchester UKIPT

And one for the European Deepstacks tonight (50k starting stack for this one!)

[generic_name]

50bi??? Holy Shit, what type of games you playing?

180's, 90's and 45's mostly, but other mtt's too. Im on 47 now with only 1 min cash in a 45 to show for it. Im well in profit at these over a reasonable sample, so it's not like im a losing player. And it's not like ive had a run of super sick suckouts, i haven't, i just seem to lose every single flip.
Im also down a few bi's in plo, not sure how much exactly ive only just started tracking plo properly and ptr seems to have missed the relevent hands, im winning plo player too overall, so it's not like im spunking off bi's all over the show.

Also gratz on the sattie scores. That deep stack could be murder, the ones on stars and ftp start with 5k chips and take 11-12 hours, hopefully the blind increases are favourably otherwise you will still be there at christmas

[PaulF]

lol.  I see you edited your reply.

I still have no idea what you are talking about though!

[generic_name]

lol.  I see you edited your reply.

I still have no idea what you are talking about though!

Ok, should i lose the abbreviations? Ive played 47 MTT's and sit n go's  cashing only once for the minimum amount possible.  I have also lost around 5-10 buy ins at pot limit omaha cash in the last week.
It's no where near the worst i've ever heard of, but i think im right in saying that it's my worst run. Not huge sums involved but it's like half my roll in just over a week.