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Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« on: February 10, 2003, 03:02:39 PM »
Houllier backed into a corner
Richard Jolly

David Beckham specialises in taking corners. Gerard Houllier prefers turning them. In a three-month slump, Liverpool - according to their manager anyway - have turned numerous.
As defeat to Crystal Palace shows, these corners rarely lead the Liverpool manager to an open road. And with his side still under-performing, Houllier is under more pressure than at any time during his reign at Anfield.
Besides results, the most common gripe is Liverpool's style of play which, if less one-dimensional than some critics suggest, is not likely to suddenly mutate into as expansive and attacking a gameplan as that of Arsenal or Manchester United.
Received wisdom has it that Liverpool's manager undermines his team with his squad system. That, however, is simply wrong. Take away enforced changes due to suspensions, injuries or players becoming available again, and Houllier makes as many changes as Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson - and far fewer than Claudio 'Tinkerman' Ranieri, whose Chelsea team are in one of the Champions League places Liverpool covet.
And Liverpool have greater continuity of team selection than in Houllier's halcyon days of the 2000-1 season. Phrases like '14-man game' appear to have dropped out of his vocabulary, but served him well when Liverpool achieved a hat-trick of cup wins with far less consistent team selection.
Then, despite missing Jamie Redknapp for the whole season and Patrik Berger for most of it, Danny Murphy and Robbie Fowler made 19 appearances each as a substitute, Gary McAllister and Vladmir Smicer came off the bench 18 times, Nick Barmby 15 times, Christian Ziege 12 times and Michael Owen - dodgy hamstrings notwithstanding - on 11 occasions.
And it worked. Substitute Fowler scored in the UEFA Cup final, McAllister and Berger came off the bench to change the FA Cup final and replacement Emile Heskey scored the decisive goal away at Leeds to help them get there.
In contrast, Liverpool's substitutes boast a solitary Premiership goal - a Milan Baros strike at Fulham - between them this season. Owen and Murphy have just five substitute appearances between them. Where Houllier used to change a game with his replacements, now he struggles to make an impact if his starting 11 do not score early (recent wins against Sheffield United, Southampton and West Ham all include an early goal), with substitute Salif Diao's assist for Heskey's equaliser against Arsenal a rarity. So has the Liverpool manager lost faith in substitutions and his squad system?
The answer may be more painful. Unlike in 2000-1, Houllier lacks the players to change a game; quite simply, his £100 million squad is not good enough.
Liverpool do possess top quality players. But, with Chris Kirkland sadly out for the season, Houllier only has 12 at his disposal (Dudek; Carragher, Henchoz, Hyypia, Riise; Murphy, Gerrard, Hamann, Diao; Heskey, Owen and Baros). When that hardcore is depleted by injuries, suspensions or loss of form, he has to turn to lesser players, especially on the flanks.
Vladimir Smicer remains too inconsistent and is rarely at his best on the left wing, Bruno Cheyrou is yet to make an impact and El-Hadji Diouf specialises in locating blind alleys and charging straight down them; Markus Babbel and Berger have been hit by injuries; the unproven Neil Mellor may become a force but Igor Biscan and Djimi Traore never will be and the departed Bernard Diomede and Abel Xavier never were.
Despite a huge outlay, the likes of Fowler, McAllister and Jari Litmanen have not been adequately replaced, though Houllier maintains his imports will come good. That Dennis Bergkamp, Robert Pires and Juninho all fared far better in their second season in England than their first may encourage Cheyrou and Diouf, but the latter still needs to acquire a top player's ability to pick the right option.
And Houllier, deprived of too many options on his bench, may look enviously at Liverpool's supposed rivals, Arsenal and Manchester United. Francis Jeffers came off the bench to turn Arsenal's game against Fulham from a draw in to a win; Diego Forlan has done likewise for United this season and the doyen of substitutes, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, is often alongside him on the bench.
The Premiership's top two teams - and to, a lesser extent Chelsea - don't just have 12 quality players; they have 18 or 20. So Mr. Ferguson could afford to rest an out-of-form Ryan Giggs, while an over-protective Arsene Wenger was able to wait two months before giving Pires a full 90 minutes in the Premiership. Liverpool's key players come straight back into the team.
Once upon a time, Houllier could afford to treat Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard with similar kid gloves; instead he lacks the replacements. Instead of turning the corner, Houllier must wish he could turn the clock back.


Interesting article. Quite right on the fact that we are actually 'weaker' than where we were when we won the treble. We have not adequately replaced McAllister(gone), Fowler(gone) and Berger(not likely to be back to his best). And we indeed missed experienced contributors like Babbel, Barmby and Litmanen.

Our additions since then except for Dudek, Kirkland, Riise and Baros, have not been up to expectations. We need reinforcement for next season and this time around we should go for proven players who can make a difference. They don't have to be expensive. They just need to complement the projected stars that we have in our stable. How I wish Gary Mac is 5 years younger ...
 


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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2003, 06:42:54 PM »
A spot on article. We really do not have that extra class, whether it's coming off the bench or starting. We're in desperate need of some creativity to inspire the team. The summer is going to be a massive one transfer wise. Or it should be, as i'm not sure GH will buy any proven class. If he fails with his transfers again this summer it could be his ultimate downfall.
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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2003, 07:10:24 PM »
Another load of generalistic nonsense.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2003, 07:37:57 PM »
I dont think you can really argue with what is being said. Its not as if he is having a go, rather highlighting the lack of depth in the squad, a depth that was used so well by Houllier in past seasons.

Look at the remaining names that aren't mentioned in the 12:-

Xavier, Babbel, Smicer, Diouf, Heggem, Berger, Arphexad, Diomede, Biscan, Vignal, Cheyrou, Traore, Mellor

Sensibly Jolly acknowledges that Cheyrou, Diouf and Mellor are in their first season and that Berger and Babbel have suffered from injury/illness. If you take those names away then what your are left with looks decidedly lightweight.

Compare the remaining names with:-

Barmby, Fowler, Litmanen, McAllister, Redknapp and Ziege.

Can you honestly say any of these have been replaced this season, either from within or by buying?

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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2003, 09:46:08 PM »
A lot of work needs to be done in the next few months...the building process has seen issues

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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2003, 09:54:48 PM »
Just read some scary stats...

Owen + Heskey + Diouf + Baros = 21 goals
Beattie = 16 goals

Riise = as many as Heskey + Diouf together

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2003, 11:01:44 PM »
Stats can tell you a lot, or nothing at all Take your example:-

Beattie 16 goals
Owen, Heskey, Diouf, Baros 21 goals

Then add the following:-

Soton +28 goals 39 points
Lpool +38 goals 43 points

Or what about this:-

Top 5 Soton scorers
17 James Beattie
6 Brett Ormerod
4 Fabrice Fernandes
2 Michael Svensson, Chris Marsden

Top 5 Lpool scorers
15 Owen  
7 Baros  
6 Heskey, Murphy, Riise

Which team is better off?

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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2003, 11:13:35 PM »
lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2003, 11:19:25 PM »
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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2003, 04:14:27 AM »
All I am going to say is GH needs to realized that if he turns 4 corners he would end up at the same place where he starts ::)

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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2003, 09:42:35 AM »
Not sure about our 100 million sqaud not good enough.  In terms of depth we should be the best.  What we lack is experience in English games in our second string of players but it has been our policy to buy young and generally foreign because of exorbitant prices of anyone English before the market collapsed.  

We have that player who can make a difference and his name is Owen.  We know he is important but do not know how important until this season, when he just can't get any form going.  Probably this is an area to look into but then we also already have Baros, Mellor and the young French next season.  

Perhaps we do need a willy, old head with EPL experience aplenty like Gary Mac - this person can help steady the ship when confidence is lacking.  This might be the time for us to snap up someone in that mode.  

What we do need is to (1) get the confidence going and (2) find the right dynamics of the team - i.e. how to juggle the pieces.  That rest firmly with GH.

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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2003, 09:46:18 AM »
Forget the last sentence - the most important one:

Keep our faith.  This is what the team - GH included - needs now.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2003, 01:41:49 PM »
I don't agree that we haven't replaced Fowler, Baros is miles better than Fowler at the end of his LFC career. Plus, Litmanen hardly ever played, so how can we have not adequately replaced him? McAllister, possibly for experience, but our lads should have enough of that by now!

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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2003, 03:11:24 PM »
Barmby, Fowler, Litmanen, McAllister, Redknapp and Ziege.

Of these I can honestly say I only miss Macca (OK, perhaps Jari too)...

Barmby was a wonder in the treble season but fell away horribly after that. I doubt he'll do much in the wreckage of Elland Road... and if he manages to walk again he'll probably be sold again.

Fowler was a shadow of his former self (mid-nineties). Early reports from Maine Road were that he looked sluggish and disinterested. Deja vu anyone?

Redknapp is a true gent... but how many people would really have placed a risk on building a team around him?  Nah, not me... the time was right for him to leave, especially given the leaps and bounds made by Spud.

Ziege... because we like to play wing backs don't we?  Had a couple of defensive howlers and didn't fit the mould. The fact that we're still looking for the solution at LB doesn't make the square peg the answer. (Personally i think Riise might be able to learn to defend - but hey, I've been wrong before).



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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2003, 04:52:39 PM »
I think you are missing the point of what i'm trying to say. Those players (with the exception of Redknapp) all had an impact when coming off the bench, the ability to add something to a game and almost something to prove to the manager.

We dont have that now with our bench, with the exception of Baros, who really should be starting anyway.

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2003, 05:10:10 PM »
We have a squad capable of winning the league without doubt. On our day we would give any team in England a good game
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2003, 11:47:38 PM »
Great discussion guys!

I may be wrong but I do have this feeling that since the treble season, we have not really closed he gap between us and Arsenal & Man U.

In Dec 2000, we beat Arsenal 4-0 and we were awesome. A few weeks ago - we were quite pleased to snatch a draw at the death.

GH is putting the building blocks for the future. But we may need one or two proven pros (ala Babbel) to help navigate us through rough seas.

Diouf (though he's African Footballer of the Year; World Cup star), Diao and Cheyrou - all have quality and potential but they are still unproven. We may need to mixed it up this summer with our purchases.

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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2003, 10:03:14 AM »
lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2003, 12:22:11 PM »
(87.5% of statistics are made up...)

Good article though. Personally I beleive that with Marcus back, JAR sticking at left back, Vladi dropped, our central midfield duo (surely as good as any in the prem) back together after Stevie's suspension and Didi's injury things will look a lot rosier.

I think Danny should play right-mid. Left-mid presents more of a problem. Not Heskey! Paddy's last chance saloon? I wish, but I don't see it happening.

Diouf and Cheyrou can comfort themselves with the fact that they are both young, so they are unlikely to be be marginalised the way Jari was and they should have time to grow into the side.

Then there's The French Kids. Although they're going to have to deal with an unreasonable amount of expectation...
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2003, 12:23:26 PM »
Oh yeah and we should have some genuine competition for the striking places. Remember when it was Robbie and Michael fighting to partner Emile?
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Re:Houllier Backed Into A Corner?
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2003, 01:27:11 PM »
Actually the telling statistic, and the main point of the article imho, is our lack of goals from substitutes.

One goal from a sub all season!!

In our treble season, Houllier sent players off the bench and we nicked a goal for the win or draw. He enthused in the press how subs had to be ready to change the game. Now we send subs on and for whatever reasons, we're not getting goals that change the match.

This is why we are short of points in the League this season.
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