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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #120 on: September 3, 2015, 04:48:57 pm »
For the record, while I am generally positive about Obama's presidency overall and think he has done a very good job given the circumstances, I am more than willing to discuss areas where I feel he has failed, of which there are some big ones.

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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #121 on: September 3, 2015, 09:52:03 pm »
I'd love to discuss this some. What policies of his are scary to you, and what policies do you think would not work here? It's so odd to me in general that we had a major recession caused by a number of factors merely 7 years ago that we're still recovering from and listening to the candidates its as if everyone has forgotten the why's and how's of it except Bernie. I was just talking about this with a friend last night actually...Republicans (of which I know you are one) seem to think that all liberals or Dems want to increase the size of government when its definitely not necessarily true. I don't think we need more govt bloat or even to raise taxes, I think we need to rid the govt entirely of the cronyism that renders it ineffectual in many senses to be the appropriate check and balance for the supranational corporate class. The revolving door of industry to govt to industry where the henhouse is being guarded by wolves needs to end. We need to diminish the failed experiment with private contractors getting sweetheart deals and public-private partnerships that almost never create a good ROI for the taxpayers given the outlay. Military waste (F35 anyone) is rife and needs overhaul. The off the books black budget for DOD and NSA is absurd and there is absolutely no oversight whatsoever, just a secret money pit. There are plenty of opportunities to tweak the govt that will not grow its size and stature, merely make it more effectual and efficient, more liberty driven and beholden to the people, and it only takes a budgetary reshuffle and some intelligent policies that I think Bernie has a grip on. The way we elect people and the insane money existing in politics only serves to entrench the problems and that's another area that Bernie addresses. I for one am weary of the oligarchy we have fashioned for ourselves and capitalism that's run amok to the point where it only works for the few. Bernie will not turn this country socialist, I can guarantee you that, he just understands that at the moment money and business have entirely co-opted the founding purpose and functionality of our govt, and proposes solutions that, each in isolation, will solve specific problems and regain parity within the public/private relations.

About to leave work and then am leaving for out of town for the long holiday weekend. Will happily address this early next week, just wanted to make sure it didn't seem like I am evading the question. I think his $15 minimum wage proposal is silly, his tax all the rich to make the poor richer stance using Scandinavia as an example is a farce, and his oft-repeated rhetoric that all the successful people are selfish, self-serving and the reason why we have a bunch of homeless and starving children is off base. Sure sounds good at a rally though.

I'm certainly not against everything he says, and there is a part of me that would laugh happily if he somehow defeated Clinton and/or Biden.

By the way, I'm not a Republican. Registered independent and while I've voted for the two Republican candidates the last two presidential elections, I do not tie myself to one party.
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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #122 on: September 3, 2015, 09:58:22 pm »
About to leave work and then am leaving for out of town for the long holiday weekend. Will happily address this early next week, just wanted to make sure it didn't seem like I am evading the question. I think his $15 minimum wage proposal is silly, his tax all the rich to make the poor richer stance using Scandinavia as an example is a farce, and his oft-repeated rhetoric that all the successful people are selfish, self-serving and the reason why we have a bunch of homeless and starving children is off base. Sure sounds good at a rally though.

I'm certainly not against everything he says, and there is a part of me that would laugh happily if he somehow defeated Clinton and/or Biden.

By the way, I'm not a Republican. Registered independent and while I've voted for the two Republican candidates the last two presidential elections, I do not tie myself to one party.
Sure thing, I'll be indisposed myself starting tomorrow anyway. Sorry for calling you Republican, registered independent with conservative leanings maybe? Libertarian? Labels don't really matter tho, policy does, I look forward to tossing some ideas around.

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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #123 on: September 4, 2015, 02:12:34 pm »
I have a feeling that what I view as extreme or just not smart when it comes to Sanders' views is basically just the norm in western Europe. I think his views on the economy are downright scary and while they may work in Europe, they will not work here and would do way more harm than good.

Not trying to start a debate here (don't have the mental agility for one right now) but isn't that pretty much the same argument used when people talk about setting up NHS-style healthcare in the US?
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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #124 on: September 4, 2015, 02:27:48 pm »
About to leave work and then am leaving for out of town for the long holiday weekend. Will happily address this early next week, just wanted to make sure it didn't seem like I am evading the question. I think his $15 minimum wage proposal is silly, his tax all the rich to make the poor richer stance using Scandinavia as an example is a farce, and his oft-repeated rhetoric that all the successful people are selfish, self-serving and the reason why we have a bunch of homeless and starving children is off base. Sure sounds good at a rally though.
Do you think there should be wealth redistribution?

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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #125 on: September 4, 2015, 02:35:29 pm »
Do you think there should be wealth redistribution?

Why not phone up Robin Hood?
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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #126 on: September 5, 2015, 05:17:07 am »
We all know it's going to be Bush vs. Clinton, no use in thinking otherwise.

Hats off to Trump for making it interesting though. He's a proper nutcase. I'll have some of what he's having every time before he steps out in front of a camera.

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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #127 on: September 5, 2015, 06:01:21 am »
Do you think there should be wealth redistribution?

Calling it wealth redistribution is bit misleading IMO. It should be called wealth re-redistribution. For decades now the politicians and the rich have told us that cutting taxes for rich is the sure shot way to prosperity. Trickle down economics hasn't made middle class richer or helped solve income inequality but it has made the rich richer for sure.

Now people will call even a slight reversal of those policies communism go figure.

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« Reply #128 on: September 5, 2015, 08:34:32 pm »
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Edward Snowden has branded as “completely ridiculous” the idea that Hillary Clinton’s personal email server was secure while she was secretary of state.

The National Security Agency whistleblower was speaking in an interview with Al-Jazeera.

In 2014, Clinton accused Snowden of inadvertently helping terrorists. Since then she has toned down such criticism and said the NSA needs to be more transparent.

On Thursday, Snowden was asked what he would say to Clinton now that she is being investigated for sending emails containing classified information while using a private server.

“This is a problem,” Snowden said, “because anyone who has the clearances that the secretary of state has, or the director of any top-level agency has, knows how classified information should be handled.”

He added: “If an ordinary worker at the State Department or the CIA … were sending details about the security of embassies, which is alleged to be in her email, meetings with private government officials, foreign government officials and the statements that were made to them in confidence over unclassified email systems, they would not only lose their jobs and lose their clearance, they would very likely face prosecution for it.”

Asked if Clinton “intentionally endangered US international security by being so careless with her email”, Snowden said it was not his place to say.

He did comment on Clinton’s choice of email server, Platte River Networks.

“When the unclassified systems of the United States government, which has a full-time information security staff, regularly gets hacked, the idea that someone keeping a private server in the renovated bathroom of a server farm in Colorado is more secure is completely ridiculous,” he said.

Snowden was also asked if he was concerned about what the Republican frontrunner Donald Trump might do to him if he is elected president in 2016. Trump has called Snowden “a total traitor” and “a bad guy” and said “there is still a thing called execution”.

Snowden was not concerned.

“It’s very difficult to respond in a serious way to any statement that’s made by Donald Trump,” he said.

He went on to question the credibility of politicians like John Kerry, Clinton’s successor as secretary of state, and compared “the good that they’re doing for the country” to the work of people like Jimmy Wales, the co-founder of Wikipedia, who he said was “improving the world”.

Snowden added: “But it’s not about who’s right and who’s wrong. The arguments about whether I’m a good guy or a bad guy are a complete red herring.”

The full interview with Snowden will air on Al-Jazeera English on Friday.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/03/edward-snowden-hillary-clinton-email-server

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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #129 on: September 5, 2015, 09:42:07 pm »
@ShayGuevara:  It's sad when a guy accused of treason and on the lam in of all places Russia is the trusted voice of the state of US government technological security.  Thanks for posting that.

Note:  I'm a Bernie backer and have given him money.  No party registration yet, but left leaning.

The idea that Hillary is the shoe-in Democratic nominee at this point is highly questionable. 

Sure, she has raised the most money and she has her husband's fundraising network available, but she has a huge trust image problem in the party base and public at large. 

Her campaign has handled this email server issue very badly by allowing it to drag on and on.

IMO it was indefensible behaviour and the issue is difficult to explain, let alone explain satisfactorily enough to sweep it under the rug. 

And the R's haven't even started on Whitewater yet.

She was the pre-annointed nominee in 2008, then out of nowhere Obama came along and blew her out of the water for the same reason:  She doesn't connect with the liberal Democratic base and she doesn't stand for anything. 

Why is she running?  I couldn't tell you other than a vague feeling of entitlement.  She needs an issue to fix some great need in the country and she needs to make that issue hers.

IMO, Obama won on healthcare reform and a Tiger Woods-like sense of black reparation in the voting public.

She needs to stake out something similar, but Bernie has taken the big one, income inequality, already.

Biden's interesting.  I think he can be competitive with Hillary for the centrists, but with a lot less baggage.  I don't know if he's charismatic enough to be a front runner.  If he discovers some public magnetism and can steal Bernie's issues he's got every chance.

It'll be a fun campaign season for both parties :-)
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« Reply #130 on: September 5, 2015, 10:53:48 pm »
Yes, the other day I was only saying it'll be extremely difficult for Sanders. Now I'm actuallly starting to believe he has a chance. Not sure how he would fair against Biden though.

Should certainly be an entertaining race, I don't think the US ever disapoints in that regard. I just hope the right person wins it, for me that's Sanders.

Agree regarding Snowden, his treatment just sums up what's wrong with the world. Hopefully Hillary reaps what she sows with a little trip to prison herself, not that it'd ever realistically happen.
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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #131 on: September 6, 2015, 07:13:29 am »
Biden's got to overcome the lead that Hillary has in gathering sponsors, and the only way that happens is if the money men see her as a lost cause.

She's trying to dissuade him from entering the race by waving her warchest around, but she's just so awful that many centrists are looking for an alternative.

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« Reply #132 on: September 6, 2015, 09:25:48 am »
I'm surprised Trump hasn't put a $20m bounty on Snowden's head already.  But I suppose as a private citizen that would be illegal. 
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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #133 on: September 6, 2015, 01:58:06 pm »
I feel sorry for the american people having to choose between another Clinton and Bush.

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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #134 on: September 6, 2015, 02:10:57 pm »
I feel sorry for the american people having to choose between another Clinton and Bush.

Next UK election will be a choice between George Osbourne and Jeremy Corbyn.

I'd save your sympathy for us here.

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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #135 on: September 6, 2015, 03:55:24 pm »
I feel sorry for the american people having to choose between another Clinton and Bush.
hasnt sanders got a fairly big following in America?

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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #136 on: September 6, 2015, 05:25:04 pm »
hasnt sanders got a fairly big following in America?

He's enjoying a surge in popularity in the Democratic base, which is important because we're talking about a primary race for the Democratic nomination. 

I've gotten pro-Bernie emails from ActBlue, an internet PAC that backed Obama last election, whereas I've heard zero from the pro-Hillary camp.
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« Reply #137 on: September 7, 2015, 03:32:46 pm »
I'm so much more invested in Bernie miraculously winning the democratic primary, than Corbyn and Labour over here. Getting close in Iowa, ahead in New Hampshire. Hope more troubling stuff from the emails start filtering through.
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« Reply #138 on: September 8, 2015, 03:24:30 pm »
I enjoyed this nice summary on Donald Trump's campaign by the BBC's Nick Bryant, "his rhetoric can be so flamboyantly incoherent that it ends up being usefully inclusive".
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« Reply #139 on: September 10, 2015, 05:37:53 pm »
Bernie Sanders takes the lead over Hillary Clinton in Iowa poll

Poll released Thursday found 41% of likely Democratic primary voters in the crucial early voting state would vote for Sanders, versus 40% for Clinton

Vermont senator Bernie Sanders has taken the lead from former secretary of state Hillary Clinton for the first time in a poll in the crucial early voting state of Iowa, as the self-declared socialist Democrat continues to tighten the race with the party establishment favorite.

A Quinnipiac University poll released on Thursday found that 41% of likely Democratic primary voters in Iowa said they would vote for Sanders, while 40% said they would vote for the former secretary of state. Though Sanders’ edge is within the margin of error of 3.4 percentage points, Clinton led Sanders by double digits in Iowa in July. Averages of all polling in the state show Clinton with a quickly eroding lead that nevertheless remains in the double-digits.

The poll comes as Clinton continues to be dogged by the controversy over her use of a private email server, which she apologized for in an ABC interview this week after twice declining to do so. The release of the poll also comes amid ongoing deliberations over a potential run by Vice-President Joe Biden, who is said to be seriously considering a run against Clinton in the Democratic primary.

While Clinton remains on top in national polling and is still the party’s frontrunner, the surprising success of Sanders’ insurgent campaign has excited the Democratic primary the party once worried was going to be a coronation. Nonetheless, the shift is a marked one, recalling the 2008 race when Clinton, then the presumptive nominee, faltered and finished a disappointing third behind Barack Obama and John Edwards.

“[Sanders] is the candidate of the Democratic left, against his own party’s bosses and their prized presidential candidate, secretary Hillary Clinton,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University poll.

The last Quinnipiac poll of the state, in July, found that 52% of voters said they would vote for Clinton compared with 33% for Sanders.

Other Democratic candidates, including former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley and former Virginia senator Jim Webb, have struggled to gain traction in polling so far. O’Malley gathered 3% and Webb failed to register above the mark while undeclared Biden came in third in the poll, with 12% of respondents saying they would vote for the vice-president.

The Quinnipiac poll also found that Sanders and Biden have a higher net favorability rating than Clinton and score higher ratings for honesty and empathy. A bright note for Clinton: more voters believe she has the leadership and temperament to handle an international crisis.

In the latest NBC News/Marist poll released on Sunday, Clinton led Sanders 48% to 37%. The poll also showed Sanders ahead 9% in New Hampshire, another crucial early voting state.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/10/bernie-sanders-tops-hillary-clinton-iowa-polls
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« Reply #140 on: September 10, 2015, 05:44:20 pm »
It's happening, but can it last? Iowa and New Hampshire mainly white states with few African Americans or Latinos. For some reason Hillary seems to do well with those two demographics.  Love the passion of his speeches, think I've pretty much internalised them now. They speak to my concerns.
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« Reply #141 on: September 10, 2015, 05:56:08 pm »
Tommy Carcetti is based on Martin O’Malley isn't he?

It's happening, but can it last? Iowa and New Hampshire mainly white states with few African Americans or Latinos. For some reason Hillary seems to do well with those two demographics.  Love the passion of his speeches, think I've pretty much internalised them now. They speak to my concerns.

Don't know, but I'll be following with interest. Stranger things have happened. Especially over here during the past few months.
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« Reply #142 on: September 10, 2015, 06:01:04 pm »
It's happening, but can it last? Iowa and New Hampshire mainly white states with few African Americans or Latinos. For some reason Hillary seems to do well with those two demographics.  Love the passion of his speeches, think I've pretty much internalised them now. They speak to my concerns.


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« Reply #143 on: September 10, 2015, 07:59:30 pm »
Sharing because I found it interesting.  I have not researched or cross referenced anything so apologies in advance if it turns out to be bullshit.

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« Reply #144 on: September 10, 2015, 08:28:31 pm »
A Trump / Cruz 2016 ticket, Europe better get ready for another mass migration........
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« Reply #145 on: September 10, 2015, 08:31:07 pm »
A Trump / Cruz 2016 ticket, Europe better get ready for another mass migration........

I don't follow politics at all, what's the realistic chances of Trump actually becoming president?

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« Reply #146 on: September 10, 2015, 08:31:08 pm »
Sharing because I found it interesting.  I have not researched or cross referenced anything so apologies in advance if it turns out to be bullshit.


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« Reply #147 on: September 10, 2015, 08:33:46 pm »
I don't follow politics at all, what's the realistic chances of Trump actually becoming president?

If he can ride the current wave of political discourse then I can see him winning the GOP primary, as for POTUS, I think that would be a step too far - many of those on the center-right think he's too much of a loose cannon.
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« Reply #148 on: September 10, 2015, 08:36:01 pm »
If he can ride the current wave of political discourse then I can see him winning the GOP primary, as for POTUS, I think that would be a step too far - many of those on the center-right think he's too much of a loose cannon.

Fair enough. Stranger things have happened I guess, but he does have some fantastic sound bites.

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« Reply #149 on: September 10, 2015, 09:03:27 pm »


Tommy Carcetti is based on Martin O’Malley isn't he?
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« Reply #150 on: September 11, 2015, 02:28:53 am »
I weep for the United States, and indeed the world, if Trump ever got elected President. But then again de Maistre did once say that every country has the government it deserves...

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« Reply #151 on: September 11, 2015, 03:31:00 am »
The GOP clown car is fun, but it'll likely end with a Jeb (or another mainstream candidate) nomination.

Herman Cain and Rick Santorum were good fun, but it was Mitt in the end.

Now, Trump has far more of a profile, but he's also said utterly ridiculous things.  If the GOP wants to get back in the White House, they have to hold NC and nab OH and FL and then steal a VA/IA/CO/NV combination or something like that.  Trump isn't going to be able to do it.  Some swing voters might be very frustrated with the status quo but on election day, will swing voters actually vote for Trump or get cold feet and go for Hillary?  I'd say the latter.

As popular as Sanders is on Reddit, on here, with progressives, etc, he's likely not seen as electable by others.  He calls himself a Democratic Socialist, which is fine.  Except in America, where you've said the magic word.  Anything to do with "Socialist" and such will set you back.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx?utm_source=Politics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles

Gallup's been doing this poll since 1937 and while Americans have become more accepting, socialists don't do well at all.  When asked "If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person who happened to be ____, would you vote for that person?"

When the term "socialist" is used to fill the blank, 47% said yes while 50% said no.  Democrats are more accepting (59%) but it's still the least popular characteristic of those chosen.  Younger voters are more accepting but getting that turnout can be difficult.

There will be plenty of party-line voting (especially if someone like Trump is on the other side), but Sanders' national appeal will be questionable.

I think Sanders could do some great things for this country, but this country isn't exactly on the progressive side of things relative to Western Europe.
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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #152 on: September 11, 2015, 06:51:08 am »


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« Reply #153 on: September 11, 2015, 07:50:32 am »
Not bullshit :)

Would be interesting if Biden stands.  I have to say I don't know much about the guy - less than I knew about Al Gore - so I can't comment on his ultimate chances.  But I can't help but wonder if he would end up splitting Clinton's vote and letting Sanders in by default.

As for GOP, a Bush/Trump ticket would be hillarious, but I'm not sure if it would be good or bad funny.
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« Reply #154 on: September 11, 2015, 02:36:44 pm »
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From 2 years ago, but still.
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« Reply #155 on: September 11, 2015, 02:56:02 pm »
Would be interesting if Biden stands.  I have to say I don't know much about the guy - less than I knew about Al Gore - so I can't comment on his ultimate chances.  But I can't help but wonder if he would end up splitting Clinton's vote and letting Sanders in by default.


In 'being quite a normal human being' stakes, Biden would be hard to beat. This interview with Colbert about his son is very moving.

http://morningafter.gawker.com/watch-joe-biden-reflect-on-the-life-of-his-son-beau-on-1730003121
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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #156 on: September 11, 2015, 03:29:53 pm »

All Scientists Should Be Militant Atheists
BY LAWRENCE M. KRAUSS


As  a physicist, I do a lot of writing and public speaking about the remarkable nature of our cosmos, primarily because I think science is a key part of our cultural heritage and needs to be shared more broadly. Sometimes, I refer to the fact that religion and science are often in conflict; from time to time, I ridicule religious dogma. When I do, I sometimes get accused in public of being a “militant atheist.” Even a surprising number of my colleagues politely ask if it wouldn’t be better to avoid alienating religious people. Shouldn’t we respect religious sensibilities, masking potential conflicts and building common ground with religious groups so as to create a better, more equitable world?


I found myself thinking about those questions this week as I followed the story of Kim Davis, the county clerk in Kentucky who directly disobeyed a federal judge’s order to issue marriage licenses to gay couples, and, as a result, was jailed for contempt of court. (She was released earlier today.) Davis’s supporters, including the Kentucky senator and Presidential candidate Rand Paul, are protesting what they believe to be an affront to her religious freedom. It is “absurd to put someone in jail for exercising their religious liberties,” Paul said, on CNN.


The Kim Davis story raises a basic question: To what extent should we allow people to break the law if their religious views are in conflict with it? It’s possible to take that question to an extreme that even Senator Paul might find absurd: imagine, for example, a jihadist whose interpretation of the Koran suggested that he should be allowed to behead infidels and apostates. Should he be allowed to break the law? Or—to consider a less extreme case—imagine an Islamic-fundamentalist county clerk who would not let unmarried men and women enter the courthouse together, or grant marriage licenses to unveiled women. For Rand Paul, what separates these cases from Kim Davis’s? The biggest difference, I suspect, is that Senator Paul agrees with Kim Davis’s religious views but disagrees with those of the hypothetical Islamic fundamentalist.


The problem, obviously, is that what is sacred to one person can be meaningless (or repugnant) to another. That’s one of the reasons why a modern secular society generally legislates against actions, not ideas. No idea or belief should be illegal; conversely, no idea should be so sacred that it legally justifies actions that would otherwise be illegal. Davis is free to believe whatever she wants, just as the jihadist is free to believe whatever he wants; in both cases, the law constrains not what they believe but what they do.


In recent years, this territory has grown murkier. Under the banner of religious freedom, individuals, states, and even—in the case of Hobby Lobby—corporations have been arguing that they should be exempt from the law on religious grounds. (The laws from which they wish to claim exemption do not focus on religion; instead, they have to do with social issues, such as abortion and gay marriage.) The government has a compelling interest in insuring that all citizens are treated equally. But “religious freedom” advocates argue that religious ideals should be elevated above all others as a rationale for action. In a secular society, this is inappropriate.


The Kim Davis controversy exists because, as a culture, we have elevated respect for religious sensibilities to an inappropriate level that makes society less free, not more. Religious liberty should mean that no set of religious ideals are treated differently from other ideals. Laws should not be enacted whose sole purpose is to denigrate them, but, by the same token, the law shouldn’t elevate them, either.


In science, of course, the very word “sacred” is profane. No ideas, religious or otherwise, get a free pass. The notion that some idea or concept is beyond question or attack is anathema to the entire scientific undertaking. This commitment to open questioning is deeply tied to the fact that science is an atheistic enterprise. “My practice as a scientist is atheistic,” the biologist J.B.S. Haldane wrote, in 1934. “That is to say, when I set up an experiment I assume that no god, angel, or devil is going to interfere with its course and this assumption has been justified by such success as I have achieved in my professional career.” It’s ironic, really, that so many people are fixated on the relationship between science and religion: basically, there isn’t one. In my more than thirty years as a practicing physicist, I have never heard the word “God” mentioned in a scientific meeting. Belief or nonbelief in God is irrelevant to our understanding of the workings of nature—just as it’s irrelevant to the question of whether or not citizens are obligated to follow the law.


Because science holds that no idea is sacred, it’s inevitable that it draws people away from religion. The more we learn about the workings of the universe, the more purposeless it seems. Scientists have an obligation not to lie about the natural world. Even so, to avoid offense, they sometimes misleadingly imply that today’s discoveries exist in easy harmony with preëxisting religious doctrines, or remain silent rather than pointing out contradictions between science and religious doctrine. It’s a strange inconsistency, since scientists often happily disagree with other kinds of beliefs. Astronomers have no problem ridiculing the claims of astrologists, even though a significant fraction of the public believes these claims. Doctors have no problem condemning the actions of anti-vaccine activists who endanger children. And yet, for reasons of decorum, many scientists worry that ridiculing certain religious claims alienates the public from science. When they do so, they are being condescending at best and hypocritical at worst.


This reticence can have significant consequences. Consider the example of Planned Parenthood. Lawmakers are calling for a government shutdown unless federal funds for Planned Parenthood are stripped from spending bills for the fiscal year starting October 1st. Why? Because Planned Parenthood provides fetal tissue samples from abortions to scientific researchers hoping to cure diseases, from Alzheimer’s to cancer. (Storing and safeguarding that tissue requires resources, and Planned Parenthood charges researchers for the costs.) It’s clear that many of the people protesting Planned Parenthood are opposed to abortion on religious grounds and are, to varying degrees, anti-science. Should this cause scientists to clam up at the risk of further offending or alienating them? Or should we speak out loudly to point out that, independent of one’s beliefs about what is sacred, this tissue would otherwise be thrown away, even though it could help improve and save lives?


Ultimately, when we hesitate to openly question beliefs because we don’t want to risk offense, questioning itself becomes taboo. It is here that the imperative for scientists to speak out seems to me to be most urgent. As a result of speaking out on issues of science and religion, I have heard from many young people about the shame and ostracism they experience after merely questioning their family’s faith. Sometimes, they find themselves denied rights and privileges because their actions confront the faith of others. Scientists need to be prepared to demonstrate by example that questioning perceived truth, especially “sacred truth,” is an essential part of living in a free country.


I see a direct link, in short, between the ethics that guide science and those that guide civic life. Cosmology, my specialty, may appear to be far removed from Kim Davis’s refusal to grant marriage licenses to gay couples, but in fact the same values apply in both realms. Whenever scientific claims are presented as unquestionable, they undermine science. Similarly, when religious actions or claims about sanctity can be made with impunity in our society, we undermine the very basis of modern secular democracy. We owe it to ourselves and to our children not to give a free pass to governments—totalitarian, theocratic, or democratic—that endorse, encourage, enforce, or otherwise legitimize the suppression of open questioning in order to protect ideas that are considered “sacred.” Five hundred years of science have liberated humanity from the shackles of enforced ignorance. We should celebrate this openly and enthusiastically, regardless of whom it may offend.


If that is what causes someone to be called a militant atheist, then no scientist should be ashamed of the label.




Didn't know where to put this, most of the religion science threads are locked.
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Re: U.S. election, 2016 (and the primaries)
« Reply #157 on: September 11, 2015, 04:15:30 pm »
Spot on analysis of Joe Biden's Colbert interview from The Atlantic

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/joe-biden-and-stephen-colbert-brothers-in-grief/404878/

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“We see the real you,” Colbert fawned before asking earnestly, “How did you maintain your real soul in a city that is so filled with people who are trying to lie to us in subtle ways?”

Biden began by citing his now-famous nightly commute back home to Delaware during his 36 years in the Senate. But then he said, “What always confuses me about some folks I’ve worked with is why in God’s name would you want the job if you couldn’t say what you believed? I’m not—there’s nothing noble about this, but ask yourselves the question: Would you want a job that, in fact, every day you had to get up and you had to modulate what you said and believed?”

Watch out, Hillary Clinton.

Biden, of course, never mentioned her name, but that answer is the real heart of the case he would have to make against her, implicitly or explicitly, if he ran. Clinton’s poll numbers are sinking, at least in part, because she is seen, once again, as the epitome of caution and parsing. Biden may be the consummate politician, but he is seen as the opposite.

But that response might also be the exact reason for Biden not to run: Modulating what you say and believe has been a key part of the president’s job description for decades now, and it would be fascinating, to say the least, if Biden tried to break that mold.

Of course, this is precisely the sort of manipulation of perception that politicians are good at :-)
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« Reply #158 on: September 11, 2015, 04:31:16 pm »
Spot on analysis of Joe Biden's Colbert interview from The Atlantic

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/joe-biden-and-stephen-colbert-brothers-in-grief/404878/

Of course, this is precisely the sort of manipulation of perception that politicians are good at :-)

They are. I tried to quell my cynicism while watching that piece with Colbert. Although, I couldn't suppress the idea that this could be part of a 'move' towards declaring his intention to run.
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« Reply #159 on: September 11, 2015, 04:58:00 pm »
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