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Why I'm hopeful
« on: October 10, 2012, 02:37:13 pm »
As Big Ben signalled the end of another transfer window, the feeling on Merseyside was a mixture of anger and confusion. Twitter and Facebook were awash with rumours regarding who Liverpool might be looking to add to their squad: Sturridge? Walcott? Dempsey? Leandro Damiao? Come 11 O'clock, not one of them were Liverpool players. In all honesty, the only realistic target Liverpool had on that day was in the English capital completing a move to Spurs after Fulham stuck to their guns on their initial valuation of the USA International Clint Dempsey. The circumstances are obviously still very hazy, but what is clear is this: Rodgers is not very pleased...

 "I'd need to be a nutcase even to consider at this moment to let Carroll go out unless there are other solutions"

So... did something go wrong at boardroom level, or is Brendan Rodgers in fact a 'nutcase'? Make your own mind up on that one.

Given that our first team squad is incredibly short in terms of depth, it's important that we trust how the manager is going to handle it all. Four competitions, all for a senior squad of around 18 players. Brendan Rodgers is going to have his work cut out, but here's the main point: We should trust him to make the very most of it. Now more than ever we need to trust in our new managers coaching ability, because we're going to need it. Whether you agree with Rodgers' thoughts on Raheem Sterling's progression this summer or not, the important thing to take from the wee titbits he gave re: the winger is this: It matters to Rodgers. When Rodgers came out mid way through pre season and commented on how much more rounded Sterling had become in such a short space of time, a few folk took it as a sleight against those who had been most involved in his development since his big money move from QPR (Borrell, Segura) more specifically. Rodgers talked about Sterling being good at beating his full back, but not much else. Again, whether you agree with that or not is not really the point at hand. Sterling has obviously taken things on board, and he's reaped the rewards by making his full début for the club. Rodgers always strikes me as a coach who places a great deal of importance on a players personality, as well as his capacity to take on new ideas. On signing Joe Allen, Rodgers talked just as much about the players attitude as his footballing ability, "One of the most courageous players I've ever seen." Was Joe Allen born with that asset though? Or... did he receive some top class coaching from the likes of Rodgers, and in time it came. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter. Some people will tell you you can't coach a player to be courageous on the ball, but I disagree. Like anything else, it all depends on the circumstances. If you get a player at the right age, if he's coming into a winning team, how big is the pressure at the specific club... all of these things matter. For all we know, Joe Allen was born with that ability, but others aren't so fortunate. That's when Brendan will be vital. If he can get into the heads of players who are maybe lacking a wee bit of confidence/courage, then we'll do alright. That's supposing that the player in question has the ability to go with it of course. Because if there's one thing that Joe Allen doesn't lack, it's footballing ability. But again, context is key, because had Joe Allen found himself at another club, under another manager, then things might have been very different. Rodgers' philosophy marries up perfectly with that of Joe Allen; finding the other 10 is the key. I suppose how quickly that happens will be a big thing too. How long will it take Rodgers to work out who he fancies, and who he fancies putting on the next plane out of John Lennon. That in turn asks another question: should Rodgers find a couple of spots in the team where he's not too sure about certain individuals, do we have the youngsters to fill that gap? Rodgers has no choice but to hope we do.

There are a few things to be hopeful about however. The striking thing since Rodgers was appointed is how we fans have been so keen to take in his methods. Learning all the time. The interest is palpable. It's surely in part down to the great Barcelona team who Rodgers admires so greatly (who doesn't, unless you're a certain grey haired Portuguese manager located in Madrid). We would all love to have even a quarter of the success Barcelona have had over the next few years, and to see football even a quarter as good, but the reality is it's going to be bloody difficult! It finally feels as though we're working towards something though, and that is the main thing. If only we had the boardroom stability to go with what Rodgers is trying to do on the field, it would be perfect, but FSG, like the World, are not perfect - so go on we must. So. If we as fans are inspired by the things we see and hear of him, what must the young players be feeling working with the guy every single day? Now I'm going to be a wee bit controversial...

I think, and I may well be wrong, because, well... it wouldn't be the first time, but I honestly believe these young guys will be inspired by Brendan Rodgers more than they were by Kenny Dalglish. Just as much as if we had appointed Van Gaal, or Capello.

Let me explain that: The likes of Suso, Sterling, Morgan or whoever else probably know very little about Van Gaal's Ajax team that won the Champions League, or Capello's Milan team that systematically took Cruyff's dream team to the cleaners. Im sure they have all been told about Kenny's 88 team, but I don't think any of the young players will be experts on the subject.

The teams this crop have grown up watching are Barcelona, Spain, and of course more recently Brendan Rodgers' Swansea team.  So to them, Rodgers is probably more than Capello or Van Gaal. Maybe i'm not giving them enough credit here, but I can definitely see why Rodgers might draw more out of them than more experienced, and let's face it - more successful managers.

Now is the time of the young coach. It's the fashion. Guardiola started it, and when it worked for Barca, other clubs followed suit. Massimo Allegri was appointed as Ac Milan manager, despite modest success at Cagliari. Lyon appointed youth coach Remi Garde, after years of underachievement following the Le Guen/Houllier era. Dortmund began to play with a swagger under young manager Jurgen Klopp. Only a few months back, Inter Milan appointed Andrea Stramaccioni following his success in the Next Generation series. The 36 year old had no senior management experience prior to the appointment; only youth team posts at Roma and then Inter. Ask yourself this: would he have been given the job without the success Pep Guardiola had given Barcelona? It's important to mention that not everyone can be like Guardiola, because he possesses such a sharp football brain, and his dedication to the job was phenomenal. His poor old hair line is is testament enough to that.

So I guess the thing I'm trying to get across is, you can spend all the money in the World, but if the conditions are wrong, or if the manager doesn't quite have the appetite to coach the clubs young players, then it all begins to unravel somewhat. What I believe counts for more than money, is making the club a place where young players can come and feel comfortable enough to express themselves. If you have a grade A youngster at a club who don't really put young players high up on the agenda, then there's a fair chance they'll end up as a grade B, or C player 5 years down the line. The flip side of that is, if you have a grade B youngster, but the conditions are right, then you might end up with a grade A player.

Man City have recently announced plans for a brand new academy to be built close by to the Etihad. It's admirable, and ultimately a sensible move, what with FFP coming into play within the next two seasons. Is it a red herring though? That must be the worry for Man City fans. The club have apparently being visiting academies from all over the world, compiling data and ideas purely for this new scheme. How long will that take to implement though? The luxury City have of course, Is the money. If it doesn't work out, then so be it; they can just go out and buy great players.

An important thing to remember is that those plans won't become a reality for sometime, and in the space between now and then there's a massive chance for the club to pick up some of the best youngsters, not only in Liverpool, but in the whole of the North-West. Man City can show the parents of potential superstars bits of paper with impressive plans, we can show them Sterling, Wisdom, Suso, Robinson, and hopefully many more. That is the most important thing for young lads really. Definitive proof that quality and hard work will be rewarded, regardless of your age.

The start of this season has given us all much to ponder. Things have gone wrong, sure. It was inevitable. Any fan who expected anything less than a bumpy ride has surely been woken up by now. But you can see things starting to take shape in a good way too. In disappointment there is always benefits to be reaped. In recent games, Daniel Agger has looked like the swashbuckling, arrogant centre back we all know and love. Against Norwich, the Dane should've clocked up an assist, only for Suarez to miss his easiest chance of the day. It was a beautiful moment from Agger. He's one of those rare centre backs that when they see space, they attack it. There's only a handful of them around these days: Piqué, Vermaelen, Mascherano, Lovren, and our own Sebastian Coates are the ones that spring to mind. Fans and journalists from England would probably turn red in the face trying to persuade anyone who will listen that Rio Ferdinand is a ball playing centre back, but it's simply not the case. Watch Ferdinand when he has the ball. It's always sideways movements. He almost creeps forward with the ball, even though opposition teams are usually parked about 20 yards away from the Man United defence. With Agger, he consistently backs himself when he's got the ball at his feet. Against Norwich, he knocked the ball right out of his feet, almost encouraging the Norwich players to commit, and then at the last seconds a simple little drop of the shoulder and he's wiped out 2 or 3 players.

Conceding goals is a big problem too, but again I'm pressed to say that it was always going to be this way. As good as Agger is on the ball, he's learning his new role. Just like Reina, Skrtel, Johnson, and Kelly are too. We've seen Skrtel have a few black out moments. Agger too. These boys aren't bad defenders, it's just going to take time for them to adapt. When it does though, we will see the benefits. Stoke were able to press the ball high up, because we're still in the first stages of what Rodgers hopes we will become. You can get at Skrtel when he has the ball. You can expect Reina to make a few dodgy passes. If Rodgers is still here next season (god forbid he isn't), let's see then if Stoke want to press the ball. I bet they don't.

Shifting the focus back to the younger players for a second. Against Norwich, almost everything Suarez touched went in. Plus, Gerrard and Sahin were breaking through Norwich's midfield lines with not much problems. Suso and Sterling did a fine job of opening up the spaces, and they both played into the game as well, but in terms of goals it's just not fair to put that weight on their shoulders. When has any young wide midfielder came through at the top end of any first bracket League and immediately started scoring? There's not many cases. Take Steve Mcmanaman. In his first 3 seasons at Liverpool, he scored less than 10 goals. He did some breathtaking things, but you couldn't rely in him for goals. The same is true of Suso and Sterling. In time they may become double figures every season kind of players, but that time is a long way away. We can't rely on Lennon, Bale, Or Dempsey to chip In with goals. We don't have the luxury of having Valencia, Young, Nani, Kagawa, and co all rotating. Even Arsenal, who we are apparently competing with for 4th place are rich in terms of wide players. Podolski, Gervinho, and Walcott are all potential 10+ goals a season men. Unless Assaidi is some kind of super hero who can chip in with 30 a season, we just can't match that. And that is the key difference between ourselves and Arsenal. The two defences are quite similar. Arsenal's midfield has enjoyed a better start, but in terms of quality is there much in it? Where there is the obvious gap is in wide areas. So far this season Arsenal's wide players have this record:

Gervinho:   3 goals
Podolski: 2 goals
Walcott: 2 goals

In comparison...

Downing: 1 goal
Suso: 0 goals
Sterling: 0 goals

So I think taking a step back is what's needed from the fan-base. If fans expect Rodgers to compete with teams like Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea, and  City, then he can't win. In time that's what we're all hoping for, but right now? Nowhere near it. This is a young team, and we're going to suffer a few grazed knees and there will be spilt milk along the way. We have a manager who is young and learning all the time too. Let them learn together, and our patience might just be rewarded by a wee bit of success in the hopefully not too distant future.

We will all know a great deal more come February the 1st, but until then - enjoy the football on the pitch. We're lucky.
 
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Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2012, 03:13:03 am »
Excellent post. I will reply more in detail tomorrow
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 05:30:58 am »
I honestly think we can compete for fourth if we win next week have a good december and get a striker in january. However i back Rodgers all the way. THe style is much better, the midfield is balanced and deep as is the defense, and we really only need 1 or 2 players upfront to make that push into the top four. If we can paper over the cracks till January, and take advantage of some opportunities (like fellani being out next week) then we can challenge Arsenal.

 I'm also glad we are giving youth a chance. Suso, Sterling, Coates Kelly and Wisdom can be top players if they get the chance. Of those I think Coates is getting the least amount of time compared to what he deserves.  He can be our top centreback for years to come and we should treat him right.

THe only issue with Rodgers is he is a bit tactically rigid. Whilst it makes good sense, and consistency in formation is something we have been lacking we don't seem to be utilizing any formation changes to try and change things up. This could go either way, it could be good it could be bad.

Overall I'm hopeful too, but the next game is really really important. If we lose it we fall far behind again, we win it and we are there or there abouts. 
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 05:31:14 am »
I was wondering why such a well though out piece had not garnered any responses until I read it entirely.  ;D You make a few points so it is kind of hard to zone into any particular area but I guess that was the point; stating all the reasons why you are hopeful. One thing I would like to respond to is the following:

I think, and I may well be wrong, because, well... it wouldn't be the first time, but I honestly believe these young guys will be inspired by Brendan Rodgers more than they were by Kenny Dalglish. Just as much as if we had appointed Van Gaal, or Capello.

I agree with the fact that Rodgers is more capable of inspiring the youngsters but for different reasons. I think reputation can only carry a manager as far as his first meeting with a new team. After that, it is all about his actions. One of the things that we heard repeatedly about Brendan Rodgers is that he is a good man-manager. That, I think, is the trait that most helps him in nurturing and developing young players. They need backing early in their careers and he gives it to them, albeit with a bit of tough love. You give a young, hard-working man confidence and he thinks he can take on the world. This doesn't apply so much for the senior players but it looks like Rodgers reserves a different man-management tactic for them (see Downing, Enrique, Carroll, etc.). All with the end game of developing a cohesive unit. Let the cream rise to the top and weed out the bad seeds. I'm not trying to take a dig at Kenny but it seems to me that he chose the players that he thought would most likely win us a particular game whereas Rodgers picks the team based on merit. There's an eye for the future in the latter option. Even with this poor start (standings wise) that future looks bright.
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 06:38:24 am »
Enjoyed that! Really positive outlook.

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 06:55:44 am »
Same old story just re-hashed in another way. Sorry, I'm in a grumpy mood today. I know I sound dismissive but I don't mean that. I'm one who understands that it will take time, patience and a lot of tough love to see us out of our worst times in recent history. We were hopeful when Rafa came in and delivered us ole Big Ears. He gave us the hope that we will achieve the Holy Grail of the premier league. I still think he was unfairly dismissed but it is pointless now to talk about it. Kenny also gave us some hope when he did so well after taking the reins from Hodgson. Then came the second season when the wheels just fell off. Ultimately, he paid for the wrong recruitment.

I like what Brendan Rodgers is doing. He's given us an identity on the pitch. We have seen glimpses of what the team can do and achieve but clearly, we are still "work in progress". I also admire BR for being brave - playing Sterling against the champions, and benching a Liverpool legend in Carra. Something Kenny found hard to do.

All we need now is patience from the fans but most importantly, patience from FSG. I hope the owners are not taking a short term view on this and not plunge the club into further chaos. I do not foresee we will challenge for top 4 but getting to top 6 would be a realistic target. Just look at the league now and it's far more competitive than it used to be.

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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 07:42:59 am »
Good OP. What we need from all sections of those related to LFC is patience. If we have that, we will definitely be successful in the long run
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 09:47:07 am »
Great OP that, it's coming along nicely for me under Brendan as manager.

There's alot to look forward to, don't want to keep banging the drum but if this guy isn't given time then we might as well pack our bags up now as supporters.

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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2012, 09:48:21 am »
Must say it's great when someone goes to the effort of writing out a well thought out piece and I agree with the general thrust. We're heading in the right direction and patience is fundamental but I certainly won't be happy with a team as quarter good as Barcelona, I'd have backed the Benitez team  of  a few years ago every time against Barca and I hope Rodgers ambition is to knock Barca off their perch as much as United. ;D


I don't think Rodgers or Dalglish' reputations  are particularly important to the kids at that age they're just the first team boss, they'll have known Dalglish personally from when Benitez brought him into the academy, the big difference for them is minutes on the pitch for the first team and it's here that Rodgers deserves credit because he has given them that and he has been repaid by promising performances. How much that is down to philosophy and how much is down to practical expedience, we don't know, if more cash had of been available for attacking players would we have see the promotion of this crop so quickly? Dalglish gave defenders like Robinson and Kelly a go but had an invested interest in giving time to some of his/Comolli's costly signings hoping they would come good. Brendan was in a different situation and has given the academy players a chance, which has worked out well.


But none of that should detract from the broad thrust of the post that patience is required by both fans and owners because that is the key, mistakes happen, wrong players are signed, that is part of football, but nothing worth having is built without patience. That was true for Benitez, that was true for Dalglish, that is true for Rodgers. Impatience gets you nowhere except a long list of managerial casualties that will destroy a club, can Brendan pull it back? Things are certainly looking good but Lets hope so, because if he can't things will be very bleak. Never been more important to get behind the manager but that's been true for the past ten years apart from that ingerland fella who should never have have been within a hundred miles of us.
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2012, 11:10:07 pm »
I will admit I'm commenting mainly to bump, and to say what a perceptive piece this really is.

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2012, 12:06:34 am »
Really good piece (as per usual). It's unfair to the whole post, but I wanted to comment on one bit that stood out to me:

On signing Joe Allen, Rodgers talked just as much about the players attitude as his footballing ability, "One of the most courageous players I've ever seen." Was Joe Allen born with that asset though? Or... did he receive some top class coaching from the likes of Rodgers, and in time it came. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter. Some people will tell you you can't coach a player to be courageous on the ball, but I disagree. Like anything else, it all depends on the circumstances. If you get a player at the right age, if he's coming into a winning team, how big is the pressure at the specific club... all of these things matter. For all we know, Joe Allen was born with that ability, but others aren't so fortunate. That's when Brendan will be vital. If he can get into the heads of players who are maybe lacking a wee bit of confidence/courage, then we'll do alright.

I agree with the overall thrust of your argument, but I think it could be made even stronger and I find it's a really important point. I'd argue that it can only exist with the necessary coaching. Was Xavi born to play football as he does? Perhaps, but I think it's far more likely he was born with certain traits suited to that type of play, but it had to be cultivated. For me, the biggest moment of the season thus far was Rodgers' reaction to Skrtel's errant back-pass against City. We could all see that it was an abysmal error, one which led directly to us taking home 1 point when we deserved 3. We needed 3. It was a time when the new manager was under some heat and knew we still had some rough games ahead. How did Rodgers respond to that in his post-match presser:
 
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"It's not frustrating. It's all part of the journey. I commend the courage. The easiest thing is to get the 'keeper to smash it up the pitch, then the opponents have the ball and are on the attack again.

"The angles in front of the ball will be the thing we work on, because for us to dominate games we need players with courage to have the ball, and Martin was very courageous.

"There is no blame on him. It's all part of our learning."

Those words, IMO, do more to create that style of football and "courageous" players than any training session, pre-match speech, or tactical formation, because to be courageous means occasionally suffering injury. I'm sure it happend to Xavi and Iniesta while plying their trade at La Masia, but how does a coach react to a costly error born out of an attempt to play the game the "right" way? I'm sure we've all had coaches who've bollocked us up and down the pitch for such a costly error. After all, a hoof into Row Z never led directly to a goal and no manager was ever sacked for asking it of his defenders. Who can blame them? It's the safer play, but safety and courage were never close companions. It takes a manager with courage to develop courageous players. A man who can stomach stumbling to one of the worst starts in club history in the name of the bigger picture. Is Xavi the player he is today if coaches you and I have never heard of didn't accept the inevitable errors that come from encouraging courageous football?

I don't think any player, be it Xavi, Joe Allen, or Jordan Lussey, is simply born to play that type of football. Certainly there are those players who possess the necessary traits to excel at it, but it's something that needs to be brought out of them. It must be encouraged, even in the face of adversity, even when the easier path is to abandon it. Players must know that they will be backed even when things go terribly awry. When Rodgers gave that backing to Skrtel I felt we were headed somewhere.
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 07:47:51 am »
Really good OP.

I'll only comment on the squad depth. To me it's not a real problem. I see it as something good that our squad isn't full. Yes, we lack a striker, but what else? We lack a bit of quality, but I'll come back to that.

It's almost been the norm for many to think we need to have 25-30 players. I don't share that view. And certainly not at this stage, when Rodgers is still trying to shape his squad and put his ideas across. Because there's a limited number of players, he'll quickly find out which players he wants to keep/sell. They'll all get to play and prove their worth, so he'll see for himself what they can offer on match day. At the same time, we have many young players coming through. They'll get to play too. And Rodgers will get to see who he wants to build on for the future. Again, based on performance for the first team.

Come next summer, I'd expect us to part with Carroll, Downing, Cole and Carra. Possibly some more. By then we'll know more about Suso, Sterling, Morgan, Pacheco, Flanagan, Wisdom etc. We'll know if they can fill a squad role, or not. And this is when we expect to go shopping for new players. So we'll have holes to fill, we'll have money and we'll know how many of the young players we can trust. It's actually a rather good place to be in.

Until then we'll need to at least match last season's performance in the league and we'll need to implement our style of play. The only real issue I have with the current squad is the expensive players who offer little. Take Downing or Cole, both should be leading players in this side, not backups behind teenagers. Carroll should be the leading striker we lack. We have a couple more, but essentially, this is what's stopping us from making faster progress. Next summer, things should begin to look a lot brighter. If we do the necessary things until then.

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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 04:46:15 pm »
Excellent OP that and this reply from Vork too was a good read.


I think your point about wide players is important. I was making the same point in the round table that if you look at how Swansea spread their goals around playing the same system.... the AM & CM, the RW & LW, and the CF all contributed more or less the same amount of league goals.

Allen [4] & Sigurdsson [7]
Dyer [5] & Sinclair [8]
Graham [12]

With our higher ambitions it means we need to expect 50% more from each group to really challenge top 4. I think in Suarez, Sahin, Gerrard, Shelvey & Allen (once Lucas returns) we have goals from central areas. Johnson, Skrtel, Agger & Coates are all goal scoring defenders and we can probably expect 10-15 goals from them also. The problem really is the wide areas. Assaidi is an unknown but at present I just cannot see goals from our wide areas. At the same age Theirry Henry was playing on the left wing for Monaco and registered 3 goals in 22 games. In fact his record at the time he joined Arsenal was 23 league goals in 121 games. He was 22 years old.

Cristiano Ronaldo who started out as a winger got 3 in 25 games for Sporting Lisbon at 17 years old. It wasn't until he was in his 20´s until he bettered a 1 in 6 games record.

My point is goals usually come later for wide players and midfielders. There are a few exceptions but not too many. The problem we have is the 15-20 goals we need from our wide players either have to come from somewhere else or we fall short. To sign a proven goal scoring winger costs a LOT of money. Just look at Hulk's recent transfer to the Russian league for an idea.
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2012, 04:53:38 pm »
Didnt we just recently spent 20m on a top class winger  ;)

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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2012, 05:23:17 pm »
I am also hopeful.  All I have really to add is that it is very nice to see (as far as I can tell) that the vast majority of the fans are also hopeful and are being patient.

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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2012, 05:45:50 pm »
A pleasure to read that Dilks. You make a lot of different points. Most of them hit the back of the net. If our attack had a similar ratio we'd be home and dry.

But, like you. I'm hopeful.
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2012, 05:49:07 pm »
Good read, as always.  I as am hopeful if not more, I can see us becoming very difficult to beat and can easily see us going on a run of 15 or so games picking up good pointd.
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2012, 09:21:59 am »
Really enjoyed the read. Quite perceptive. The point about young wide players and their goal return is an interesting one and something I hadn't really considered. Sterling has been a natural scorer in youth football so I am sure he will come into the scoring charts more often as he becomes more comfortable in his role. Suso hasn't been as prolific from my memory anyway but he looks class.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced we will sign a clever forward. A proper  "footballer" more than a classic goal scorer. Someone who can play across the three and score as well as contribute. We are definitely a work in progress but it is an exciting time in its own way. Process is more important than results now but when you get process right then results tend to follow.
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2012, 07:55:19 am »
Bump.

This should be a sticky topic in bold, we should discuss our team progress in a civilized matter on it really.
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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2012, 08:51:33 am »
Really enjoyed the read. Quite perceptive. The point about young wide players and their goal return is an interesting one and something I hadn't really considered. Sterling has been a natural scorer in youth football so I am sure he will come into the scoring charts more often as he becomes more comfortable in his role. Suso hasn't been as prolific from my memory anyway but he looks class.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced we will sign a clever forward. A proper  "footballer" more than a classic goal scorer. Someone who can play across the three and score as well as contribute. We are definitely a work in progress but it is an exciting time in its own way. Process is more important than results now but when you get process right then results tend to follow.

Not to derail this topic, but you mentioning about how we will sign a clever forward makes me think of one player, and I agree with you. That player you're looking for might be Dries Mertens.

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Re: Why I'm hopeful
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2012, 03:51:58 pm »
Not to derail this topic, but you mentioning about how we will sign a clever forward makes me think of one player, and I agree with you. That player you're looking for might be Dries Mertens.

I think it is unwise to mention a  name because if you do someone will say i prefer player Y and then it turns into transfer speculation. The OP wrote a great article and i liked his perceptiveness and some of the things he raised. The thing about the academy was telling. If you were a young gifted player Liverpool would be the "hot" club to be at. Sure Man city and Chelsea offer big wages but Liverpool offer a proven pathway to first team football with obvious evidence. The others offer a big shiny facility and then a finishing school where they have little real value. Really what kid wants the prospect of his future career decided by the likes of Pulis or Allardyce if that'a where they are sent on loan?   There are hot shot kids all over the place but how many get lost in the system? or are sent out on loan to shine or die?

Liverpool are the least likely big club to use the loan system. Chelsea have more kids out on loan right now than we would of had for the last 5 years. Sterling Suso Robinson Flanagan and Wisdom all went from our youth to our first team. No loans. Things like that are sellable to young players and are real benefits we have. The fact we have a philosophy and an identifiable style is something else that helps us.
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